From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #111 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, February 27 2000 Volume 04 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Same sh*t, different year [Phil Schwan ] RE: was FruCon part II, now "Can't we all just get along?" [Rachel R Beck] Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story [vika@attglobal.] We came out of the woodwork... [frugals@my-deja.com] we came out of the woodwork... [frugals@my-deja.com] OT: going nuts with a puzzle [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle [saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83)] Re: fingers everywhere! [brassgrl70@aol.com (Brassgrl70)] fingers everywhere! ["Christopher von Rinteln" ] Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle [SugarFly26@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 03:05:56 GMT From: Phil Schwan Subject: Same sh*t, different year I'll start by saying that I've skipped half of the posts I saw in here. I didn't need to read them, they say the same things that have been said every year following every FruCon. Same shit, different year. Somebody had a bad time. Somebody felt excluded. Somebody noticed that certain people tended to hang out with certain other people fairly often, thus creating a "clique." You can take the following as either my advice or my open invitation to criticizm and flaming: Get over it. The Con was about one thing...people who are fans of Moxy Fruvous getting together on particular weekend in which they happen to play 3 concerts in their hometown. There is no money-back guarantee for your Con entrance fee. You are not promised fun. You are not assigned a group of people with which to mingle. You are certainly not required to ditch your friends in search of those one or two people who happened to come alone and might feel left out. Don't get me wrong, many of us go out of our way to meet new people and make everyone we can feel welcome. But if we miss you, don't take it personally. Do I seem upset? I am. I am tired of hearing whining from people who feel they're OWED a good time. [Let me stress that I am NOT directing this towards anyone. As I said, I skipped half of the posts (which is to say I skimmed most of them)]. Next time you go to any concert, not just Fruvous, and have a bad time, try asking the club for your money back. Personally, I had a pretty good time last weekend. It was different from last year, as was last year different from the first. Some of the differences I felt were for the better, some for the worse. I am very sorry to hear anyone had a bad time...but I'm not about to feel guilty for it. I guess that's all. I apologize for my harshness, but I had to speak my mind. You may open fire. - -Phil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:08:44 GMT From: Rachel R Beck Subject: RE: was FruCon part II, now "Can't we all just get along?" Disclaimers: 1. I'm new here. 2. I'm cursed with cubist sight, which means I can't see anything from one side. If you can't tell where I'm coming from, that's probably why. These aside, I waited outside all three nights in Toronto, and I was standing just behind Gella Saturday night. I don't think this makes me a better fan, and I don't think it earns me brownie points or a place in heaven. I enjoyed the people around me enough so that it didn't seem all that cold. Saturday, my roommate and I went out of our way to get to Lee's early. I had a place in the front row for the first time in my life. Being up front was fabulous in many ways--I was able to see facial expressions and watch the band members interact with one another. But it was a little less fun for knowing that some of the people around me were not having a good time. Part of me says that there's plenty of Fruvous to go around, that being in Toronto at all (and being able to get into the shows) made all of us lucky. Being anyplace in Lee's, including the vestibule or the bathroom, is better than sitting at home being sad because you're not at a Frushow. Yet when I saw a group of people going into Lee's before the doors had been opened, I _did_ think, "That's kind of rude." To Amy and Jordan and whoever else went in, I have to admit my first thought was that you were sneaking down to the front. That was a misjudgment, and I'm sorry for it. Heck, I bear you no ill will for wanting to get warm and have a beer. The only thing I ask you to reconsider is the scorn that I find implicit in some of your newsgroup posts for those of us who were waiting outside. Other than the music and the convention itself, here is what I remember with greatest fondness from the weekend: the people around me in line--Gella, Andy, Sandy, Gordon, Stacey--even though they didn't know me from Eve, had no problem with saving my place in line when 7:00 rolled around and I wanted to scrounge up some dinner. I'll vouch for all their generosity; this is not something that people do if they are pettily grasping for the best spot in the house. Please, _everyone_, try to do what is reasonably within your power to make sure that your neighbors at Frushows are having a good time. I'm sure they will do the same for you. Let's give each other the benefit of the doubt. Word, Rachel ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 02:25:50 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story Spake tmbgirl@my-deja.com: >Don't get me wrong, i like a lot of you. ..... > So you guys can criticize and look down on the actions (see my post >about when paul and mindy were dancing on stage to the openers set) of >people that aren't in the fruhead community, but we can't do it to you? *laugh* Girlfriend, I wasn't anywhere near Toronto during FruCon weekend, and you've managed to thoroughly piss *me* off! Sensitivity aside, you have made no more of an attempt to get to know ME than I have made to get to know you. So would you stop generalizing, please, especially (as has already been pointed out) since, judging by the fact that you're a fan of Moxy Fruvous, you're a Fruhead. Re: community. I have seen this newsgroup create a community, and that happened a long time ago. I believe that the community that spawned FruCon I (which was just a bunch of people who *really* liked each other and wanted to hang out together, and it had very little to do with Fruvous) no longer exists. A different one may or may not exist. *I* have not felt like a part of a community here for over a year and a half now, so I do sympathize with those who don't feel like they're a part of it either. However, "Fruhead" and "fan of Moxy Fruvous" are more synonymous to me than "Fruhead" and "community" are. >Ok, here's my summary and why i think that you have absolutely no basis >for being upset with me or my friends. We went into the bar before >you, you got mad. You could have gone into the bar with us, but >didn't. I have been to at least four or five Lee's shows over two years, and at no time was I aware that going into the bar Before The Doors Officially Opened was an option. Even if I had been, I probably would not have. It's just tacky, and has nothing to do with the "community", or Fruvous concerts specifically. (Oh, that IS an opinion, btw.) > so maybe it's unfair that amy called you guys "brainless" Oh, really? Dear me, was that an apology? >but >perhaps that was because from our view - inside where it was warm - the >actions of a group of people standing in the cold complaining about >their current situation (which is all we heard while standing with you) >and not doing anything about it... is nothing but brainless. Apparently not. Well, if you want respect (which you seem to have vied for on several occasions), you're going to have to earn it. >[1]go ahead, i'm ready for all of you to tell me how i'm wrong. >because i want to know. i don't want to misunderstand any of you and >if that's what i'm doing - please put me in my place. Whatever. You may or may not be wrong in WHAT you're talking about. HOW you're treating "Fruheads," whatever that means to you, is rude and obnoxious. - -v - -------- Vika Zafrin -------- vika@attglobal.net -------- http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron "When did _you_ embrace quintessential levitation?" -a Guy in my dream ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 02:44:33 GMT From: frugals@my-deja.com Subject: We came out of the woodwork... We, actually I, came out of the woodwork and posted the story of our trip to Toronto and all hell broke loose. I used words and phrases that I otherwise would never had used. I apologize for that. Please forgive me for my immaturity...it's time that I start acting my age. But, I do not apologize for walking into Lee's. Anyone could have done it. If it wasn't me, it would've been someone else and I would be feeling sorry for them at this point for all the wrath that has surfaced. The newsgroup is here for everyone to come together and share things that are Fru-related. If we can't share our opinions or views or stories here, where could we share them? Everyone here, regardless of whose side you are on, has shown the tight bonds and friendships that have formed throughout the years on the newsgroup. And along with that, everyone should take note that Jordan in no way is me. She just happened to support me in the way that friends support each other. You should not pass judgement on her for anything that I have said. Please, please, please do not displace your anger/hatred for me onto her. She has made some friends through the newsgroup and I should not be the reason why any of you stop talking with her. Some of the frugals here have been reading the newsgroup all day today and are confused. They do not understand why people can spend such a long time getting all worried and concerned about something that is really insignificant compared to all the other problems in the world. We all love Moxy Fruvous, we love listening to them, we love seeing them perform. We shouldn't get caught up in the problems or concerns people might have because someone said something that is not to their liking. That's why they aren't posting. They don't want to get caught up in all this. Sadly, I caused it all so I am definitely caught up into it. It's all about the music. And that's what we all need to remember, including myself. Quote Atasi: "I love Moxy Fruvous and that's all I have to say." Some of you may be wondering why I even went to Toronto. I'll let you in on the secret that I even kept from the crew: I sat down on Saturday morning and decided to poor my heart out to the lads. Four pages and a couple hours later, Jian was handed the letter. In it, I thanked Moxy Fruvous. For what? You might ask. Well, I thanked them for my life. Last semester I went through a serious depression. I did not do anything besides sit in my room, cry, and dwell in my gloom. I felt as thought I was nobody and I had nobody. It was through the love and support of my friends and Moxy Fruvous that I made it through that period. I kept telling myself that if I made it to their show in DC, I would be ok. And I was. That day I was the happiest that I had been in a long time. It is because of Fruvous's music and joy of life that I am here today. The trip to Toronto, in a way, was a celebration of my life. My new found life. I learned that it isn't about the way that other people think about me or how I think other people think about me. It's all about the attitude that I have toward life. And going to Toronto, for me, was a celebration. I was able to spend endless hours in a car with some of the coolest people I know, and continue that bonding while in a different country. Plus, I was able to see one of the best bands that I have ever seen live in my life. So, ya, I did have fun while in Toronto despite the way that my post may have sounded or the way people interpreted what I said. In fact, I had a blast. And I would do it again in a heart beat. I would also like to extend my deepest apologies to the band, esp. Jian since he reads this quite often. I never meant to create such a war on the newsgroup and cause friction amongst everyone. The Fru-community means a lot to you and I am sorry for causing all this trouble. Please forgive me. I hope that we can all move past this. I'm not asking for forgiveness. I am admitting to my mistake and extending my deepest apologies. And, I am returning to my lurking status until I have another silly question, like the ones that I have posted in the past. Just remember to live life to the fullest and don't allow stupid comments from stupid people bother you so much. Don't sweat the small stuff, guys! "Look at these tiny things bothering me." Amy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 02:42:44 GMT From: frugals@my-deja.com Subject: we came out of the woodwork... We, actually I, came out of the woodwork and posted the story of our trip to Toronto and all hell broke loose. I used words and phrases that I otherwise would never had used. I apologize for that. Please forgive me for my immaturity...it's time that I start acting my age. But, I do not apologize for walking into Lee's. Anyone could have done it. If it wasn't me, it would've been someone else and I would be feeling sorry for them at this point for all the wrath that has surfaced. The newsgroup is here for everyone to come together and share things that are Fru-related. If we can't share our opinions or views or stories here, where could we share them? Everyone here, regardless of whose side you are on, has shown the tight bonds and friendships that have formed throughout the years on the newsgroup. And along with that, everyone should take note that Jordan in no way is me. She just happened to support me in the way that friends support each other. You should not pass judgement on her for anything that I have said. Please, please, please do not displace your anger/hatred for me onto her. She has made some friends through the newsgroup and I should not be the reason why any of you stop talking with her. Some of the frugals here have been reading the newsgroup all day today and are confused. They do not understand why people can spend such a long time getting all worried and concerned about something that is really insignificant compared to all the other problems in the world. We all love Moxy Fruvous, we love listening to them, we love seeing them perform. We shouldn't get caught up in the problems or concerns people might have because someone said something that is not to their liking. That's why they aren't posting. They don't want to get caught up in all this. Sadly, I caused it all so I am definitely caught up into it. It's all about the music. And that's what we all need to remember, including myself. Quote Atasi: "I love Moxy Fruvous and that's all I have to say." Some of you may be wondering why I even went to Toronto. I'll let you in on the secret that I even kept from the crew: I sat down on Saturday morning and decided to poor my heart out to the lads. Four pages and a couple hours later, Jian was handed the letter. In it, I thanked Moxy Fruvous. For what? You might ask. Well, I thanked them for my life. Last semester I went through a serious depression. I did not do anything besides sit in my room, cry, and dwell in my gloom. I felt as thought I was nobody and I had nobody. It was through the love and support of my friends and Moxy Fruvous that I made it through that period. I kept telling myself that if I made it to their show in DC, I would be ok. And I was. That day I was the happiest that I had been in a long time. It is because of Fruvous's music and joy of life that I am here today. The trip to Toronto, in a way, was a celebration of my life. My new found life. I learned that it isn't about the way that other people think about me or how I think other people think about me. It's all about the attitude that I have toward life. And going to Toronto, for me, was a celebration. I was able to spend endless hours in a car with some of the coolest people I know, and continue that bonding while in a different country. Plus, I was able to see one of the best bands that I have ever seen live in my life. So, ya, I did have fun while in Toronto despite the way that my post may have sounded or the way people interpreted what I said. In fact, I had a blast. And I would do it again in a heart beat. I would also like to extend my deepest apologies to the band, esp. Jian since he reads this quite often. I never meant to create such a war on the newsgroup and cause friction amongst everyone. The Fru-community means a lot to you and I am sorry for causing all this trouble. Please forgive me. I hope that we can all move past this. I'm not asking for forgiveness. I am admitting to my mistake and extending my deepest apologies. And, I am returning to my lurking status until I have another silly question, like the ones that I have posted in the past. Just remember to live life to the fullest and don't allow stupid comments from stupid people bother you so much. Don't sweat the small stuff, guys! "Look at these tiny things bothering me." Amy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 04:07:12 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: OT: going nuts with a puzzle Okay, I'm going crazy trying to solve this puzzle. It's a variation of the boat/river thing, and if anyone could solve it and send me the solution so I can keep the remainder of my sanity, I would love you more forever. Puzzle below. Thanks! - -----------> Ln 3 cannibals and 3 non-cannibals are trying to cross a river. They have a boat that can hold two people at a time. At no time can there be more cannibals than non-cannibals on any one side. (They'll get eaten.) You can only have an equal number of cannibals and non, or more nons than cannibals. How do you do it? Note: No, you can't kill any of them. No, they can't build a bigger boat. No, they can't swim. And no, they can't push the boat back across the river, at least one person always has to bring it back. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 04:07:46 GMT From: saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83) Subject: Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle Ok, here's how you do it: N=Non Canibal C= Caniball Step 1: 1 N, 1 C go across Step 2: N comes back and 1 N and 1 C go accross Step 3: 1 N comes back Steph 4: 1 N and last C go over, 1 N goes back Step 5: 2 N go over, 1 C comes back Steph 6: Last N and Last C go over. I think that's right. Pretty sure. - -Saph *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* "I have just drawn my weapon and killed a Coke machine, sir." -Claudell Weems "The Tommyknockers" Here comes the plug! http://www.geocities.com/saphiracat *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 04:57:34 GMT From: brassgrl70@aol.com (Brassgrl70) Subject: Re: fingers everywhere! Notice how everyone is so quick to complain on the NG, but on Fruvous.com? Never!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:49:31 -0800 From: "Christopher von Rinteln" Subject: fingers everywhere! :: walks in and has his eye poked out from all the finger pointing :: Yeh. Hi. I'm Chris, hailing from Columbia, MD, and U of MD, College Park. I'm new to the NG, but not to the music.... What the hell is going on? =) I would've thought this group was about the *band* and the *music*. not who's upset at whatever. - -- Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 04:52:10 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle - --part1_24.1b52852.25ea0537_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_24.1b52852.25ea0537_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: SugarFly26@aol.com From: SugarFly26@aol.com Full-name: SugarFly26 Message-ID: <88.1222906.25ea0514@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:41:56 EST Subject: Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle To: SaphiraCat83@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Can't. In the first step, you said 1 N and 1 c go across. so it would look like Step 1: NN CC | | N C then the N comes back NNN CC | | C Nope: NN C | | N CC (the N would get eaten) - --part1_24.1b52852.25ea0537_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #111 ********************************************