From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #108 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, February 26 2000 Volume 04 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: some positive vibes from frucon weekend [sawah9449@my-deja.com] sorta OTish [SugarFly26@aol.com] FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story [frugals@my-deja.com] Re: Chicago Tonight [MJ ] Re: New Fruvous Tour Dates [MJ ] Tonights show at Martyrs [L V ] Re: Visiting Dignitaries [Tom Salyers ] Re: A positive post about FruCon from one who wasn't there [Sally ] Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story [spin0za1@aol.co] Re: some positive vibes from frucon weekend ["@*_*@ Christine K" > ***FYI volunteers Chad "Mahoney," Jason Reiser and Michelle Wallis > ***set up the Equipment. Not the guys! > ok, a friend called me on this, too. so, chad, jason, and michelle did a *great* job setting up the equipment. (*all* the volunteers did a great job-the frucon turned out awesome!) i just thought it was cute how the guys seemed to be baffled just plugging in the guitars. ;) sawah Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:22:36 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: sorta OTish Not to sound bitchy and not too insult anyone, but I got chewed out for asking about tapes on the ng, how is it different to have, Does anyone have an MP3 of GE&H? Yeah, send me that too! and where can I find sound files of Brown Eyed Girl? Oh send me that too! I have it! Oh cool! posts? - ----------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:53:04 GMT From: frugals@my-deja.com Subject: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story Ok, kiddies! Sit back and relax...this is going to be just as long as Jordan's post and probably not as good...as she said in hers, you can choose to read this or not...but it's filled with some fun stuff! So, the travel journal that Jordan referred to is filled with fun stories of the many travels that the FruGals and I have gone one, many of which included Frutrips. But this past weekend tops the cake. I feel like I just got home yet the weekend seems like it is years behind me... Ok, so sisterpuff is going to find this amusing, but all this began back in November/December when I read on the NG that this person named Jordan was offering to meet anyone that might be at the NYC shows. I figured...hey! What the hell! Who knows...maybe this guy might be cute or something...tee hee. So, to my surprise when I checked out her webpage, I discovered Jordan was a female. And ya, she's kinda cute...but I don't swing that way (oops! did i start something againg?!?) :-) Anyway, so the girls and I went home from the NYC shows thinking that Jordan was a pretty cool chick...and we named her the coolest person in the world. I definitely was chill with the idea of giving her a ride to Toronto if she needed one. And we were all delighted to hear that she would take us up on the offer. So, a few months and emails later, we are at Thursday before leaving for NYC. My very special friend Paul decides to come with us because hell, when else would he get the chance to go to Toronto? So, he writes his four papers that are due on Friday, turns them in, and I pick him up. Sadly, after Atasi, Amanda, Paul, and I pack all our things into my cute little Neon, we discover that it will be hard to fit Jordan in let alone whatever she is taking with her. We set out on the road at 5:30 with myself at the wheel, Paul shotgun, and the ethnics in the back (the ethnic joke has been going for a few months here started by I have no idea who). We're having a pretty good time...to quote Amanda from the journal: On our way to Canada... Amy, Atasi, Paul, and me...Amanda. Playing drinking games with no alcohol Driving to a different country disastrous Delightful Any time of the day is a time for smiling :-) NYC to pick up Jordan Turkey and Cheese Sandwhich Chicken nuggets Coffee Frappuccino Doughnuts Grilled Cheese Sandwhich ...yup, i think that sums up our ride to NYC perfectly. Except, I would like to add the fact that Amanda and Atasi bonded instantly in the back seat and had a blanket up to separate themselves from each other within the first half hour of the trip. Boy do I look forward to having kids. :-) Anyways, so we get to NYC within 4 and a half hours, pretty good considering that it should take 6 hours to get there. I'm pretty excited because I am actually driving in NYC...I refuse to drive in any city (Richmond, DC, let alone NYC) while driving, so this is a pretty cool thing for me. Of course, we get lost in NYC since it isn't a trip there without getting lost and we finally find Washington Square park. We park the car in a parking garage and walk with our pillows, blankets, and bags to Jordan's dorm. Boy, did we ever fit in! After great debate over what building was actually Jordan's (we were falsely misled by the idea that a purple flag would be outside of the building when it was really a white one...i think someone special needs to learn her colors), we went inside and I gave sisterpuff a ring. She came down after a few seconds while I was admiring the pics of the RAs on the wall. Sorry, we RAs must bond. :-) So, there we are, all standing there waiting for a friend of Jordan's to come because they can only check in two guests each. We get checked in and I'm all excited because there's security guards, a dining facility, and mailboxes all inside of Jordan's dorm. JMU doesn't have any of that. Well, we get on the ghetto elevator with about 20 other people and ride up to the 8th floor. Her room is way phat. She's got all these pics and clips and stuff from various bands, some that I have never heard of before. And yes, she has Moxy stuff. Pretty cool stuff I might add. :-) After a bit, we walk over to the fake id place, pass by the one patch of grass they have, admire it, and return home. After a bit, we crash. What seemed like 5 minutes later, we woke up to get ready for the ride to Toronto!!!!! After packing and stuffing everything back into the car, we head for Toronto...but we get lost yet again in NYC. I'm freaking out because I'm riding shotgun and Paul is driving like crazy and randomly screaming things making it worse for me. Picture it...I'm riding shot gun in my own car with a lunatic, whom I love dearly, driving...and all I can think of is how I am goig to explain to my parents how the car got totaled in NYC. So, thankfully, we get out of NYC safely and we head for the NJ Turnpike. I fall asleep for an hour and wake up to "Ah tick tock you don't stop, tick tock you don't stop....oooohoooohoooh" Yes! I love this song! Color me badd! the entire car wakes up and we're dancing and singing and having a good time. This Jordan chick isn't all that bad...like I had doubts. ;-) So, we're talking and sharing fun stories. Paul shares his drunk stories...and I think the back seat got it confused with drug stories so then they start sharing their firsts and bad trips...it was kinda interesting. Plus, Jordan was stuck separating Atasi and Amanda. Don't worry...they weren't that bad. I love those two Asians (even though Amanda suddenly denied the fact that she was Asian on our trip back to NYC...that confused me...). So, we're driving and chillin. Plenty of bonding went on! So, Amanda takes over and drives for a bit...I'm in the back seat and I think that was the best place for me while she was driving. The car was pretty silent...I don't know if it's because Amanda was driving or because we were just tired. Anyway, so she pulls over right at the Canadian border because she couldn't handle driving with the funk on the window (and we were soon to discover another form of funk while in Toronto...but that's a totally different story). :-) So, I jump in the driver's seat and take us across the border. yay! we're in Canada!!! And then everyone falls asleep. Paul got pretty excited with the beer store. Gotta love this guy. :-) We get into Toronto and Paul is navigator. Oops! I made a wrong turn...Oh well! We turn back around and get on Yonge Street and then this awesome song by Prozac comes on the radio and we turn it up and the windows are down...everyone on the streets are looking at us like we are freaks...freaks from Florida, that is!!! We find the Marriott and Jordan and I check in. A bellboy helps us upstairs with everyone's stuff and sisterpuff and I are debating about how much we should tip the guy...he drops off our stuff and leaves the room without even giving us a chance to tip him. I felt bad. The crew shows up a little bit afterward and we just chill in the room. We turned on Much More Music because we don't have that down here and wanted to enjoy it. Jordan's eyes glazed over....it was funny. Anyway, so Paul has the phone books looking up pubs and bars and stuff. :-) I decide to look up some special people in the phone book and make a special phone call. ;-) Gotta love it. After a few showers, a nap, and Paul exchanging our money, we head out for dinner. I've never had such great quesidillas in my life! Yum! Then, to the subway! What an experience that was! "What stop are we getting off at, Amy? Oh, I don't remember.... What do you mean you don't remember? Well, I thought I knew..." A few minutes later: "How many tokens do we need to buy? Well, how do we buy them? Look a machine!" Ok, basically, we were the all American tourists in the subway. So, we get on the subway like ten minutes later and are on our way to the club.... We get to the club and the FruHeads are there. We go around the back of the club and we hear Moxy playing. How excited was I! I could've stayed there the entire time and not felt the cold at all. I love their music. Anyway, so after a bit, we decide that we need to sneak Amanda and Atasi in some other way (they didn't have ids to get in....see Jordan's write up) since there were no unlocked doors in the back. So we go around front and J tells them to go inside and act like they need to use the restroom. So they do and then Paul leaves Jordan and I with the FruHeads. Many a smile and slide comment were shared between the two of us. I had reflections to several game pieces from the game Clue during that time... Paul comes back for a bit and then says that he's headed inside Lee's for a beer. So, after a while we see that he hasn't been kicked out and so we head in as well. I sit down at the bar, order a beer, and am happy. In walks Jian and I got a bit excited...I'm not ashamed to admit to it. He sees Jordan and is all surprised that she's there. I don't think that he was annoyed like Jordan said....but then again I don't know the guy. So, she's talking to him. I noticed this strange smell...:-) then, we sit down with Paul again and we're having a good ol' time. The doors open and we head over to the stage. We got some great spots on the Murray/Jian side. I was a bit thrilled since I had never been on that side before, being a Dave person and all... So, we're chilling and Martina something or other comes on...Paul goes on stage and dances with Mindy who was standing with the "I-have-the-touch-and-feel-me-shirt-on" group that was behind us. Although I didn't hear any of the people behind Jordan complaining about Paul being up there dancing and "not being fair to Martina", I must say that Martina said to Paul on Saturday that she really appreciated the fact that he did go up and dance...made her feel a lot better and less alone. So, he did a pretty good job. Made me love the guy even more. :-) After his performance, he sat down in front of us because everyone was complaining that he was too tall (he's 6'2"). I sware...I never heard such complaining in my life from adults. After a while, Atasi taps me on the shoulder to tell me that Dave is in the corner. Of course my heart goes a flutter and Paul decides to go over and talk with him. I was dying during all of this. He comes back after a few minutes, tells me that Dave says hi, and shares the conversation that he had with him. Paul gets major points for telling Dave like it is...concerning the way Paul feels about both the band and the FruHeads (my feelings to come in a couple of days). Danny Michel is on stage at this time and he was awesome! I definitely look forward to hearing more about him in the future...Moxy Fruvous should take him with them this summer if they decide to tour. Then we waited for Moxy Fruvous. Yay! The concert was pretty good. I wasn't feeling the dancing vibe too much that night. Plus, during Present Tense Turreen the groupy girls behind us were emphasizing the "bowl" and "pot" parts of the song whicn caught Jian's attention I must say. Jordan and I were laughing at their obnoxiousness and I think Jian saw us and kinda shared the sentiment. The concert was pretty good regardless of the fact that it was missing King of Spain. I was a bit disappointed. Someone in the crowd was yelling for it which pissed off the FruHeads. I say oh well. It's going to happen at every concert. Everyone should just brush it off and ignore it. Better to do that than encourage it by everyone mumbling and grumbling about it. But I digress.... After the show we hung around because we wanted to get Jian to sign the note that Laura wrote (see Jordan's post). Jian got some amusement out of it as we all did. Gotta love that bathing suit! Anyway, so Jian was swamped in women...what else is new? I looked across the club and Murray was on the other side talking to some peeps. I recognized one of the people as Bret, a friend of one of my residents who couldn't make it. I went over and talked with him for a bit and said that we would be cheering for him and his friends during the open mic thing on Saturday. We left a bit after that and headed for home. After a nice walk down Yonge street, I crashed for a good night's sleep...something I hadn't had in a while. I woke up on Saturday around 10:30 and I just lied in bed...I was just getting used to the idea of being in Toronto. Jordan came back a bit after that and said that she was entertained by watching all the FruHeads coming in. We all got up then, showered, and left for the Mr. Sub across the street. Not too bad of food, I must say. We went back to the hotel and Jordan and I headed into the Con. We were stopped by the tv, watching the videos which brought on a few amusing comments between the two of us...and we were joined by Amanda. We then walked around in the other room and soon left. Atasi later joined us, but we didn't stay. We headed upstairs and hung out there until the open mic thing began. I was a little confused about the idea of a mystery panel of judges for an open mic thing...didn't think they were supposed to be judged. Saw Jian and Murray come in and I knew that things were all good then. The munchkins sang pork tenderloin...I wanted to hear I Love My Boss again...I definitely can't forget the laughter and smiles shared by all at the second con...and jian's face while those two were singing. Bret and Co. were by far the best...and I don't think that I am biased. Everyone overall was pretty good, but you gotta love those harmonies from the U of R people! Yay Virginia!!!! During the open mic thing, I noticed a funk again...;-) They got the awards for best performance from Virginia and best improvement of a song. :-) We got pics with Jian and Murray and were definitely happy about that. We left after that and came back down to see Fruvous perfrom. We arrived during the tail end of the "Proxy Fruvous" segment. I must agree with Jordan about the anti-pop thing... I have been reading the NG off and on since the middle of the summer. I thought that everyone was pretty cool and felt comfy with sharing their opinions and stuff. But to my surprise, their opinions were that of everyone elses'...so please forgive me since my opinions go against the conformity of almost everyone here. Being pro-indie is great...but do you have to be anti-popular??? there wouldn't be an indie anything if you didn't have the pop-culuter out there. It's kind of like the yin to the yang. If you didn't have pop culture, you wouldn't have the Beatles, Aerosmith, Dave Matthews, REM, James Taylor, Eric Clapton. And, by the way, Moxy Fruvous is greatly influenced by the Beatles. So go sit on that for a while and come back to the NG with some enlightening comments...I'm sure Jordan and I would be more than happy to discuss them with you. Thank you. Anyway, back to the Con. So, the Q&A ends and Paul joins us from his touring of the pubs...then leaves in the middle of Fruvous's set. Gotta love him for giving the guys a try. So, they were pretty good considering the fact that they didn't remember most of the words to the songs. I was quite entermused. :-) After the lads were done, Dave came and stood behind us and Atasi and I got a picture with him. I think that moment came in as #2 top moment of the entire trip (#1 goes to getting spit on by Mike). So, we leave and head upstairs to the room. We get dressed and ready for the concert and head over to the pizza pizza. We're in there having a good ol' time. I don't know what kind of smoke Jordan was cracking, but she was definitely on some kind of high and we had plenty of fun sitting in there. We watched numerous FruHeads walk by and there was a Dave sighting. ;-) While Jordan and I were enjoying our pizza pockets or whatever, Jordan asks me what a Candine is. I have no idea and she points at a sign on the McDonalds. We are both intrigued by it and decide to check it out on Sunday before we leave. So, we head over to Lee's (no tourist incidences this go round in the subway, thankfully) and see that there is already a line for the club. Atasi, Amanda, and Paul head inside Lee's and resume their positions. Jordan and I once again stay outside. After a while, we get smart and go inside. Turns out that Atasi and Amanda didn't even head into the bathroom like Friday night. They just pulled up a stool at the bar and chilled with Paul. The bartender that night was pretty cool. Everyone at the bar shared their sentiments about the FruHeads, their lack of tipping knowledge and their lack of brains for standing outside when everyone that works there definitely would not have minded if they all came in for a drink or something. We sat there, had a beer, watched the Simpsons, and when the doors opened, we got on the Mike/Dave side and chilled there until the beginning of the show. When it came close to the time for Moxy Fruvous to come on, Jordan and Paul came up to stand with us. Regardless of the fact that we had been saving them spots the entire time (something that every FruHead has done at every concert I have been to), the people behind us started yelling at Paul because he was too tall and hadn't been standing there the entire night. I'll just let it rest at that and let everyone think about their behavior at that point. So, the guys come out and their sound wasn't that great at the beginning (I think it's because they didn't do a sound check) but became better and better as the night progressed. We had a total blast, regardless of that funk that I kept smelling. Jordan and I were grooving all night. We danced and danced like crazy! I bought Dave a Heineken and he didn't see it. What made it worse is that Jian took a large drink out of it and so all was lost. When we pointed it out to Dave, it looked like it was already drank out of (and I'm sure he figured it was us) and it was warm, I'm sure. Oh well. It's the thought that counts. The best part of the night: Mike spitting on all of us. Never have I been spit on at a concert, even though I have always been in spitting range. Yeah Mike! The concert ended, and we waited around again for Jian so Jordan could say good bye. Out of the mass of crazy girls came Jian and he put his beer on the table. Jordan made a sly comment about how he bought her a beer and he told her that she could have some. She had some, then gave it to Atasi, who gave it to me. It was damn good beer. I wish we got it down here. Thanks Jian! Anyway, we were going to buy him another one, but we couldn't find him in the mass of girls that were around him. We left the club and caught a taxi. Now we come to #3 top moment of the trip. The taxi driver started telling us about how he drove three of the guys home a couple years ago and he said that he and Mike had a long conversation outside of Mike's place. I felt so bad for the guys when they couldn't even look at Bob Dylan when they opened for him. You wait all your life to thank someone who has been an inspiration for you and you can't even look at him. Thankfully I was able to let Moxy Fruvous know how much of an inspiration they have been for me…even though Jian had not read the letter I gave him…he had a busy weekend…it's understandable. So, we get back to the hotel and meet up with Paul. He had left in the middle of the concert and went pub hopping. He had a great time and met lots of people. I love this boy! I can't say it enough. He's got balls and isn't scared of what people think of him. He gets major points from me…even though he's had them for the three years that I have known him. Anyway, so we're in the room and I pass out. Next time I wake up, it's 7am and time for us to pack up and leave. We check out and head over to McDonald's. I'm all excited because I can ask the people inside what Candines are. We pull up in front of McDonald's and Paul calls us morons and says that the sign says "2 Can Dine for $6.99." Man, we felt stupid! So, we go inside, get food, and hop on the QEW. A few hours later, we find ourselves in the middle of Pennsylvania. Definitely had to laugh about that one. So, we turn around and head east, in the right direction. I was extremely happy to know that Jordan wanted to spend another day with us in Hicksville. She even made the comment that she thought we wanted to get rid of her as soon as possible. So not true! We wish we could keep her here as our little pony! :-) So, we head down here and get in at JMU around 9:30. The first person we see is my sidekick Gwynne and Jordan is all surprised that we know people that are just randomly walking around campus. Yet another difference from NYU and JMU. We head into the dorm and we are instantly surrounded by my residents. We have story time while Jordan pops onto the newsgroup to see if there are any postings…and to check her email. Then we take Paul home and come back and crash in my room. I felt bad because there was only one bed in my room and Jordan had to sleep on the floor. On Monday, we got up around 11:30 and Atasi and I took Jordan to the dining hall and then I gave her a tour of campus. We then went to the mall and she got to see our "townies," only the best of the best in the 'burg! We developed the film from the weekend. I was so excited that all the pictures came out so well. :-) We left for NYC around 5 and by that time I was crabby and tired of being around people. It was the entire crew on this trip yet again, which was just perfect to bring the weekend to a close. Even though I was crabby at the beginning, I'm sooo happy that we were all there to take Jordan back. We all pretty much slept in the car both there and back. When we got to NYC (around 11:30), we got lost yet again. Jordan had no clue how to get to her place. But, luckily, Paul found his way around the city. After spending about 10 minutes at Jordan's place, we headed for the car and came home. We got back in around 6am and for some reason I wanted to check out the newsgroup. To our surprise special J posted our pictures! I was so happy! Yay! …simple minds, simple pleasures. In all, the trip couldn't have gone better. I am so glad that we took Jordan along. Everyone thinks that we are crazy for going 6 hours out of our way to pick her up, but it was worth it. I consider her a good friend of mine already and I have only spent a few days with her. She's the greatest. J Plus, a lot of bonds were made stronger amongst the crew from JMU. Atasi and Amanda spend a lot of time together now. And, I feel closer to Paul now than I have felt in over a year. The things that a weekend can do to a crew of road trippers! I would totally do it again in a heart beat! I am definitely looking forward to our trip to Delaware and New Jersey because we'll be able to chill with Jordan again. …oh, ya, and we'll be able to see Moxy Fruvous. Great people and great music. What more could you ask for? I'm outie! Check ya later! Amy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:39:09 -0500 From: MJ Subject: Re: Chicago Tonight "Vokes, Laurie" wrote: Please, in the future, try to send your messages in text and *not* MIME- so everyone can read it without having to use Page Source. ~truztno1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:47:06 -0500 From: MJ Subject: Re: New Fruvous Tour Dates FruCake1@aol.com wrote: > << like > the George St. Playhouse, Playhouse 22, The State Theater, Rutgers > University theaters. >> > > I second that...especially the State Theater. If "popular" bands can >come to Rutgers why can't Fruvous. ;) I'm sure they could find a venue somewhere on the George Mason campus... and if they ever did come to the State Theater, I'd probably drag enough people to it to fill up the first few rows.... (not that I'd think they'd ever come, because it's so much bigger than the venues they normally play... but a girl can dream, right?) ~truztno1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:17:18 GMT From: L V Subject: Tonights show at Martyrs I don't think this posted yet so I'll try again... (I'm very impatient today) 1. Does Martyrs allow children in for shows if they are accompanied by an adult? 2. Or is anyone from the Milwaukee area looking for tix to tonights show (I have 3) email me at lvokes@mchugh.com Laurie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:54:49 -0700 From: Tom Salyers Subject: Re: Visiting Dignitaries In article <38B620EE.F16C42E5@2cowherder.com>, cookie@2cowherder.com (cookie) says... > Sting was in a band?! Yeah, right. Next thing you're going to tell me is that > Phil Collins and Morrissey also were in bands before they "went solo." I sure > wish I was old enough to remember all that '80s music stuff. Hah! You have *music*? Why, in MY day, all we had were two ROCKS to bang together, and not even in *rhythm*! Just a buncha uncoordinated people randomly smashing boulders together, and we were THANKFUL! - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm getting sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:25:34 GMT From: Sally Subject: Re: A positive post about FruCon from one who wasn't there > Isn't it great that there WAS a FruCon? Isn't it wonderful that all > those people COULD go, and seemed to enjoy themselves, and met and hang > out with each other? Isn't it absolutely mind-bending that the Lads > came out and did SONGS when they could have just done the raffle, not > taxing their voices before the show last night, or could have not come > at all? > > I think it's absolutely amazing. > > Good job, ConCom. > > -v I think i'll stop my bitching now...you're right. It IS great that such a thing as a Frucon was even made possible. *sally* Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:52:42 -0500 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: DAYTON SETLIST! lawrence solomon wrote: > It's their show, not yours. If you want to "stand out," then form your own > band and play a show. But a Fruvous show is *their* time to stand out, not > anyone else's. Well, except Murray did say on Saturday (that was 2.19.00, right?): "Hey, it's your show, I'm just playing it." :) Like Chad has already said, there's a time and a place for everything. There's a line folks shouldn't cross, but with Fruvous, the line is a little blurry sometimes. Like everything else, everyone needs to use a little bit of empathy, common sense, and consideration. Those traits are hard to find these days, but that's another story. Generally, (And personally) I *hate* folks who scream out requests during shows. Any show, any concert, any performer, anywhere. And sometimes with Fruvous, the guys respond negatively, but sometimes, they respond much more positively. Ya just don't know. The same thing goes for heckling. What can I say? It's their show. ;) ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 2000 02:49:31 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story >Everyone at the bar shared their sentiments about the FruHeads, >their lack of tipping knowledge and their lack of brains for standing >outside when everyone that works there definitely would not have minded >if they all came in for a drink or something Okay, I'm sorry, I can't keep quiet about this anymore! One of the major reasons that the rest of us brainless Fruheads stand outside in the cold waiting to see our lads rather than finding the quickest way in is because we are a community. We look out for each other and we care about fairness! If someone waits from 4pm in the afternoon for a 9pm show so they can get their favorite spot in the middle or by Dave or Murray or whatever is it fair that someone who shows up at 7 or 8 goes right in and takes that spot? We are devoted to our band but we are also devoted to each other! That's what the whole fucking Con weekend is about! Yes, it's about Moxy Fruvous, but more it's about this strange and wonderful phenomenon that Fruvous seems to somehow bring together all the best people! When people cut in line or sneak in or even just walk in before everyone who has waited so as to be fair to everyone else it destroys that. It causes anger and frustration and a general bad vibe that can completely ruin someone's Fruvous experience! And maybe people shouldn't be so thin skinned about it, but think about the Fruheads. Think about who we are. Fruheads tend to be very sensitive people, many of whom have a lot of trauma in their lives both past and current. For some people in this community, Fruvous and the Fruhead community are a precious link to a world without pain that they have never known outside the world of this band. Okay, I'm going a little berserk here and you will probably just write me off as some hyper-sensitive crazy who just can't handle it and should be ignored... and maybe I am... but I'm not alone here. If you don't care about what you do to other people in this world, I can't make you. Maybe you didn't realize and I should take it easy on you. Just please, notice how your actions affect others. I hate what I saw in Toronto and I hate being made to feel that way in the one situation when I feel like I'm truly allowed to be happy. Okay, I'm done now. "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:17:08 GMT From: "@*_*@ Christine K" Subject: Re: some positive vibes from frucon weekend Ssawah9449@my-deja.com wrote: *snip* > --the Con in general. i missed the open mike, but saw the > presentation of awards. > --the panel was great! > --the short set the guys did. they set their own equipment up, > and > made a big deal about how they really need Tobey and Cal. At one > point, Murray held out the zipper ends of his sweatshirt and said (in > a very whiney voice) "tobey!" This little piece of information was passed on to me from someone who was at the con (I personally wasn't there, but was on IRC for the afternoon of the con) and wanted me to post this to the NG since they don't have a good newsreader for it. ***FYI volunteers Chad "Mahoney," Jason Reiser and Michelle Wallis ***set up the Equipment. Not the guys! > they sang the ballad of cedric fruvous, > big fish, entropy, misplaced, and the harbourfront song (is that the > right name?). i don;t think i've ever heard any of those live, > except > maybe cedric. my first time *ever* hearing the harbourfront one. *snip* my question here - wasn't "Cedric" played at a folk fest from 1997 w/ different words (owen sound maybe?) & at FruConI and not after that (until this year)? Was it ever performed on a regular basis at one time or another? And weren't we promised "Harbourmall" for FruCon II by Mike Ford instead of FC3? I think we have the tapes to prove that. ;-) Christine. - --Chrissy2K on IRC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:57:12 GMT From: "Stephanie Hodges" Subject: Re: a little frucon review, 2.20.00 ^kat^ dared to talk about me :): > the final event was... the raffle. ... really, raffle-winners, this was very > anti-climactic--i had a hard time figuring out if anyone had *won* anything > b/c no one was shouting out with joy as their numbers were called! though i > must admit, frunique's glee at winning an indie tape was certainly full of > excitement... Glee, nothing. Did you see the way I poinged? I had to wonder if people were applauding my win or if they were applauding because I got so hyper about it. *giggleblush* > as was my own amazement at winning the coveted bowling > position. ye gods. i'm still dizzy at the thought... the blessed event > has yet to be scheduled, but come hell or high water, i WILL be there! yes! Yes! Congratulations again! I'll make you a copy of the tape if you take me along bowling. ;) Stephanie "Frunique" Hodges www.fruhead.com/users/Frunique Updated as soon as FHDC homepages function again "Nothing anyone planned on, 'You-Neek' in all creation." - --singing along to MPG, 2.19.00 :) "Now I know what freedom is on Independence Day." - --the perfect words of Murray Foster ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:34:22 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story > spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) wrote: sigh sigh... mind you gella that tonight jill and i were totally sitting there at the erin mckeown, paperboys, and nields show debating whether or not to call you up and see if you wanted to join us because the nields community is very similar to fruvous' and we thought you'd fit right in. whatever... why i shared that? perhaps the irony of the community thing and asking you to join me...who knows... > One of the major reasons that the rest of us brainless > Fruheads stand outside in the cold waiting to see our > lads rather than finding the quickest way in is because > we are a community. whoa there sisterpuff! All we're suggesting is to stand *INSIDE* where it's not freekin 10 degrees. Rather than outside in your "line" that really is just a mass convergence of people that are all gonna be busting through the doors at the same time anyways (losing the effects of a "line"). You see, inside you can still chat with your buds and hell, maybe have a beer or two (and this time remember to tip the freekin bartenders) and make them happy as well. Seems like a perfect "community" environment. I don't know about you, but i tend to go to bars on friday nights to meet up with my friends rather than standing outside of them. now i may be wrong, but i think that's one of the reasons why bars are popular places to this day. I stood outside for a total of like 20 minutes and the first thing we heard was people comparing how long they’d been standing in line and how “well, i’m suffering more because i only have sneakers and a light jacket on and you have warm boots and a heavy coat.” *still* trying to one-up each other as to who’s the biggest and brightest fan of them all. I found this latest conversation to be thoroughly entermusing as the person speaking was trying to claim they were going through so much more just to see the band than the other person standing next to them - and in reality - they were only suffering because of their own stupidity of not wearing warmer clothes. > We look out for each other and we care about > fairness! FAIRNESS MY ASS! how come you guys then are always asking people like lawrence solomon (sorry bro for using you as an example) and other tall people to step back? they stand in line for just as freekin long as the rest of you and have just as much of a right to that space in the front and yet I have *never* ever been to a frushow where i didn't hear at least one fruhead complaining about the fact that they were stuck behind tall people. suck it up! Don't you think that they might like to stand in the front row just as much as you? And sure, you might say that it's more fair to have someone shorter stand in front of them so that 2 people can see, instead of just one... but there's definitely something special about being in the front row --- we can see that from the fact that you are willing to spend over 5 hours in the cold just to get your little impermanent piece of concrete there. right? > If someone waits from 4pm in the afternoon for a 9pm show so they can > get their favorite spot in the middle or by Dave or Murray or > whatever is it fair that someone who shows up at 7 or 8 goes right in > and takes that spot? hell yeah when you could have done the exact same thing. Now had it been pure luck that we were able to sit in there and not get thrown out or something - perhaps it would have been somewhat unfair. But you were jsut as welcome as i was to go and sit yourself down at the bar and enjoy a beer before the show. ok? so yes, it is fair - your logic is totally out of whack. Fruheads have this skewed idea of a "concert code of conduct" that just doesn't exist. And even to you guys - it only exists, if it benefits you and makes your very own personal concert-experience better. It's total bs and i'm sick of seeing the "community" benefit while the rest of lone-rangers get screwed. For example, you all wait in line for hours on end so that you can be in front - but you have no problem whatsoever letting one of your other fruhead friends that arrives hours later jump right in. Why is this ok to you? ohhh because they're part of the community and are just joining in the conversation. And you just make-believe that the people behind ya are ok with this. But then you get all upset when me and my posse walk our selves right into the venue and watch your faces pushed up against the glass like the puppydogs for sale in the window staring at us because your cold and want to be inside. so where was i? oh yes, the imaginary concert code of conduct (CCoC). returns me to the subject of tallness. just look at how wiggity whack your logic is there. you're total hypocrites merely because you say that it's "fairer" to have more than one person be happy at the show. whatever, i say next time you get stuck behind a tall person - move until you can see too (don't ask them to stand behing you). based on what you said earlier: it's your own fault for not getting there early enough, right? In addition to that, they paid just as much as you did for the show and have just as much of a right to that spot. (this paragraph really doesn't clearly make my point... i'm too tired to fix it. sooo... if you reply to it - please try to see what i'm saying... if not, i'll try to clear myself up later. all appologies). > We are devoted to our band but we are also > devoted to each other! That's what the > whole fucking Con weekend is about! so devoted that you scare off people that might have otherwise enjoyed themselves? ok. that's great. > Yes, it's about Moxy Fruvous, but more it's > about this strange and wonderful phenomenon that Fruvous seems to somehow bring > together all the best people! Don't get me wrong, i like a lot of you. I think fruvous is really lucky to have you guys as fans becasue you are totally devoted. But it sucks for them when you're scaring away typical concert-goers that are just looking for a good show, no? I really like fruheads on an individual basis. especially when i can get to know them and see that perhaps we have other things (than the band) in common. I like gettign to know new people - i like hearing your stories... but frucon was a total nightmare for me because the fruheads all get in groups and it's almost impossible to get to know people on that level - the only conversations i ever got involved with when there was a group of you guys around was "HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN THEM?" guess what?! i'm not keeping track! shock shock horror horror - i was already cast out of your groups a) beacuse i didn't know and really didn't care to know the number and b) because it's really just a big competition to establish yourself as the biggest fan. I understand that that's gonna happen at a place like this... but i think your grounds for demeaning people because they'd never seen fruvous is just wrong (and yes, i realize that many of you didn't specifically do this but there definitely were many of you that just made these fruvirgins expereinces awful). i was just shocked at the infantile behaviour exhibited by most of you. it was like a return to high school (Appologies to those of you that *are* in HS) - you all have your clicks and it's all cute and whatever but total bs. i could go on with this HS comparison but i think i'll just unintentionally start hurting people's feelings and that's so not what this post is about. > When people cut in line or sneak in or even just > walk in before everyone who has waited so as to be fair to everyone > else it > destroys that. It causes anger and frustration and a general bad vibe prolly cause you finally realized that you could have done the same exact thing. woooey sasparillah i'm pissed! lookee there! i could have been warm and inside but i'd rather chill (literally) here with my friends to be fair to them. > that can > completely ruin someone's Fruvous experience! oh whatever, talk about ruining people's experiences. I appologize if i made anyone decide to leave halfway through the shows each night. forgive me but i don't think *my* behaviour - no matter how hard i tried - managed to pull that one off as the groups of fruheads did to my bud. > And maybe people shouldn't be so > thin skinned about it, but think about the Fruheads. > Think about who we are. > Fruheads tend to be very sensitive people, many of whom have a lot of > trauma in their lives both past and current. what is this pity points? Life is Suffering, babe. That's a totally irrelevant and bs argument. yes, you;re all friends and need the support of one another. i realize that for many of you the frucommunity is your one outlet to finding some of your greatest friends. i think that's nice. i too, met some really cool people through this, ok? but the fact is - everyone has gone through shit in their life. i don't even know how or why this was brought into teh conversation. i realize that it's true but i'm confused where to take it. Yes, i feel sorry for each of you that you're "very sensitive." I'm not - i'm 100% pure bitch and i love it. ok? i don't let little stuff bug me and had other people done what my friends and i did - i would've been like "aw shiggy - why didn't i think of that?" and moved on with my life. getting hung up on little things is silly. I figure if i let every little detarded thing in this world bug me - i'd never be happy. and ya know what? don't get me wrong - i'm not out against the world - i always try to put others ahead of myself, ok? that's just what my past has done to me... So you guys can criticize and look down on the actions (see my post about when paul and mindy were dancing on stage to the openers set) of people that aren't in the fruhead community, but we can't do it to you? That's what i think of when i think HYPOCRITICAL sensitive people... yeah you hate when people do it to you and are allowed to whine about it, but have no problems doing it to others. mmmm---ok. > For some people in this community, Fruvous > and the Fruhead community are a precious link to a world without pain i give you props. i'm sorry if i brought you back to your other reality and hurt you by walking into the club early. i can tell you that when i walked in those doors, i had absolutely no intentions of or even fathomed that i would be doing that... really i didn't. > If you don't care about what you do to other people in this > world, I can't make you. Maybe you didn't realize and I should take > it easy on you. Ok, here's my summary and why i think that you have absolutely no basis for being upset with me or my friends. We went into the bar before you, you got mad. You could have gone into the bar with us, but didn't. I understand that you didn't do so merely because you wanted to preserve the community where you find you are accepted and can get support etc. in a way that you often times don't feel you can go anywhere else for. am i right? ok. so how we work into this illogical scheme is funny, sad, and true. Were we supposed to just up and know that you all would be devastated by the fact we broke the community and their rights to the front row? so i realize that you mention that many of you are sensitive people... but when i tell you to suck it up because i walked into thr venue before you, when you could have donethe same thing - i don't think i'm overstepping my grounds or deserving of any of this rant. ok? [1] so maybe it's unfair that amy called you guys "brainless" but perhaps that was because from our view - inside where it was warm - the actions of a group of people standing in the cold complaining about their current situation (which is all we heard while standing with you) and not doing anything about it... is nothing but brainless. > Just please, notice how your actions affect others. karma baby. i do. i hope my actions made the fruheads that stood in line for 4 freekin hours realize that next time, they should check out their situation a little bit more closely before they get all upset that they were screwed over because they didn't do so and wouldn't have been if they ahd just done something about it. living in oblivion is no good.... read your quotes at the end of your posts... ignorance is by no means bliss. > Okay, I'm done now. is a fruhead ever really done? *grin* SO if this is where your fruehad community is going - count me out. Out of service, out of africa, i wouldn't hang about. I'd rather be a solo frufan than fruhead with wiggitywhacked ideas. take it easy, JOrdaN http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/art.html <-sketches of fruvous [1]go ahead, i'm ready for all of you to tell me how i'm wrong. because i want to know. i don't want to misunderstand any of you and if that's what i'm doing - please put me in my place. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #108 ********************************************