From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #90 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, February 17 2000 Volume 04 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Ann Arbor Review [fruvousgirl@aol.comedy.hour (Angela)] TOTALLY OT: Who wants to marry a multi-millionaire? [cookie ] Former EMI Record exec.goes public [grundle82@email.com] Re :Unhappy Fru-moments [Andi Andrzejewski ] Re :Unhappy Fru-moments [Andi Andrzejewski ] Re: Lee's Palace update (fwd) [tmbgirl@my-deja.com] Re: Could it be... Fruvous content? Sorta! [PoppRoxx14@aol.com] Tomorrow's the big day! :) [FruCake1@aol.com] Re: Skating in Toronto? [loudsioux@aol.com (Loud Sioux)] Re: Re :Unhappy Fru-moments [bsnow ] Murray's Ann Arbor set list (without banter) [Tmbg4life@aol.com] Happy Birthday, Father-O ["Jason A. Reiser" ] Re: unhappy =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FC?= moments [moonshimmer@xpnonline.net (mo] Tickets for Friday and Saturday [Brent & Marianne Miller ] Re: unhappy =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FC?= moments [Lisa Carpenter ] godspeed, frutrippers! [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: TOTALLY OT: Who wants to marry a multi-millionaire? [jacey7@aol.com (] Re: TOTALLY OT: Who wants to marry a multi-millionaire? [cookie Subject: TOTALLY OT: Who wants to marry a multi-millionaire? OK. I'm having some difficulty with this show, and yeah, I watched the whole damn thing. The trouble I'm having is I originally tuned in out of morbid curiosity to see who would actually go through such a humiliating experience just to marry a total stranger who has a large bank account, and conversely, who would be pathetic enough to have to basically buy a wife? So, I watched the whole program, changed my mind about seven times about who I thought this guy should pick, but in the end, it just seemed so darn, well...sweet. Once we finally got to meet this guy, he came across as very sincere and relatively normal (and apologized to the women for making them go through the whole process.) The look on the winner's face was initially pure terror, but when the wedding ceremony took place, it appeared that these were just two lonely people who weren't afraid to admit they didn't want to be lonely anymore. And it tickled me to think that with a ton of luck and commitment, maybe they won't have to be anymore. So, here's the problem. I wanted to hate them both, but I ended up hoping they each meet each other's expectations. (God, I hate it when I'm fickle.) Oh well, I still think they're both pretty nuts, but more power to 'em! Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:42:39 GMT From: jamiekat@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Need help identifying bootleg > Point your browser at: > http://ecom.mp3.com/cgi-bin/order.cgi?cd_id=6920&srclk=ld > I'm listening to the free download tracks right now... Thanks alot. Your the man Jason. - -- Are you talking to me? Awww isn't that cute ; ) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:42:10 -0800 From: Frucon III Committee Subject: Fru-brew Pub Crawl For those who are interested in the Friday evening pub crawl, I'll leave information sheets with the Concierge and/or the Bell Desk at both the Colony and the Courtyard hotels by mid-afternoon Friday. The sheets will include names and addresses of a few places where those who are interested can go -- wear something Fruvous related and we'll hopefully find fellow Fru-brew afficianados at each stop. I'm aiming to leave from the COURTYARD Hotel lobby at 6:15pm if anyone wants to meet there and go en masse to the first pub stop. If you have any questions, please send email to frucon3@pacbell.net and I'll do my best to answer. The final stop for the pub crawl will be the James Joyce Pub on Bloor Street, near Lee's. That should make a good gathering place for any pre-show festivities. For more Frucon information, go to http://frucon3.tripod.com. See you all in Toronto! Doug Levy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:42:39 GMT From: grundle82@email.com Subject: Former EMI Record exec.goes public Wall-Street’s J-Bird Music Group Ltd. (symbol JBRD -OTCBB) has teamed up with Blockbuster, AT&T, CD-Now and Microsoft to revolutionize the music industry in E-commerce. Record sales are expected to take a quantum leap in year 2000. You’re invited to see how J-Bird will capitalize on its expanding catalog of artists and music. CLICK HERE http://www.centreexchange.com/jbird1.html To be permanently removed from our database click here; mailto:eric22@altavistausa.com?subject=REMOVE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:59:35 GMT From: Andi Andrzejewski Subject: Re :Unhappy Fru-moments Lisa Wrote: "well, they're better than that irannian," said mom. "who? Jian?" i ask, kinda confused. "that one you were in love with after the concert, yeah." now, i must admit that after the concert, which was back in sept, i did swoon for a few days over everyone's favorite drummer, but only b/c he signed my pilfered poster "lovely lisa". no one had EVER called me lovely before, or since, and the fact that it was Lisa, I am sorry that you folks give you a hard time about Fruvous ( I know how hard that is ,my folks do that about everything I like ,litterally). and about Jian in particular. I don't know what to say to help make it any easier,but I do hope that you can create some wonderful fru- moments very soon. andi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:00:13 GMT From: Andi Andrzejewski Subject: Re :Unhappy Fru-moments Lisa Wrote: "well, they're better than that irannian," said mom. "who? Jian?" i ask, kinda confused. "that one you were in love with after the concert, yeah." now, i must admit that after the concert, which was back in sept, i did swoon for a few days over everyone's favorite drummer, but only b/c he signed my pilfered poster "lovely lisa". no one had EVER called me lovely before, or since, and the fact that it was Lisa, I am sorry that you folks give you a hard time about Fruvous ( I know how hard that is ,my folks do that about everything I like ,litterally). and about Jian in particular. I don't know what to say to help make it any easier,but I do hope that you can create some wonderful fru- moments very soon. andi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:27:45 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Lee's Palace update (fwd) > Lynne wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Thurs. -> Sat. Feb. 17, 18, 19 - MOXY FRUVOUS > Thu. w/ Sarah Slean Grr... tory cassis!! full of lies, i tell you! *grin* nah, that's cool - sarah was aight when i saw her a few months ago. :D So is she hitching onto the frutour again? seems pretty grooves :) take it easy, Special J http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/index.html UPDATED! UPDATED! UPDATED! (even w/ special frupages!) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:03:21 GMT From: PoppRoxx14@aol.com Subject: Re: Could it be... Fruvous content? Sorta! EEEEK betsy....Just tell the world we are fruvirgins:) geeze anyway love light Erica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:43:27 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Tomorrow's the big day! :) You know what to do :) The yellow box on the bottom of the home page: http://www.mypoorgeneration.com or go directly to: http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/c/50093/ Lisa Bills - being a nag, but what can you do :) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2000 15:45:55 GMT From: loudsioux@aol.com (Loud Sioux) Subject: Re: Skating in Toronto? Well, I'm packing 'cause it's D-day for us, we're leaving late tonight to drive overnight, arrive in T. early and crash at out motel until line-up time at Lee's Palace. So, I'm making an exec. dicision to bring my drum, it's an African ashinka, and hopefully get together with some like-minded frufolk. I think my daughter might bring her acoustic guitar, but if not, maybe some of y'all might think about that; sing alongs can be great fun, especially if the weather turns nasty, which I hear it might. Well, ttfn, everybody have a fun, safe trip to fruville! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:37:12 -0500 From: bsnow Subject: Re: Re :Unhappy Fru-moments I too, was saddened to read about Lisa's experiences with intolerance and closed-mindedness. I had much the same experiences growing up in the "turbulent 60's", when I was really shocked that my family members could exhibit such thinking. I do know that you probably can't change their feelings (but I never stopped trying), but you can put this to apply in a positive way in your life. When my kids come up with something that I don't agree with (unless it's really harmful-I am still a parent!) I try to remember what it would have meant to me to have someone understand, instead of ridicule. It has made me stop and think many times, and has ultimately made for some great family moments, and discoveries. I don't like everything my kids do, and they don't appreciate all my life's choices, but we do have an understanding, and a respect for our differences. A willingness to try new things has led to 10 members of our family coming together and having a wonderful time seeing Früvous at least twice so far (that was MY suggestion, by the way). This is a bit long-winded, but Lisa, don't give up, and don't lose your openmindedness, because of someone else. Here's hoping you have many more Frümoments--all GOOD ones! Bunny Andi Andrzejewski wrote: > Lisa Wrote: > "well, they're better than that irannian," said mom. "who? > Jian?" i ask, kinda confused. "that one you were in love > with after the > concert, yeah." now, i must admit that after the concert, > which was > back in sept, i did swoon for a few days over everyone's > favorite > drummer, but only b/c he signed my pilfered poster "lovely > lisa". no one > had EVER called me lovely before, or since, and the fact > that it was > > Lisa, I am sorry that you folks give you a hard time about > Fruvous ( I know how hard that is ,my folks do that about > everything I like ,litterally). and about Jian in > particular. I don't know what to say to help make it any > easier,but I do hope that you can create some wonderful fru- > moments very soon. > andi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:24:08 GMT From: Tmbg4life@aol.com Subject: Murray's Ann Arbor set list (without banter) No where man Half as much Horseshoes (lawndarts) Wenchy Bose Mooin' Ash Hash Revert Get in the car BoyFriend Booty Jockey Tureen Saucepan Hold on MPG King Green Eggs and Ham Splat - ----------------------- Encore 1 - ----------------------- Michigan - ----------------------- Encore 2 - ----------------------- Believe Disco Barginville If you don't understand any of these names sorry neither do i because this is off murrays set list that i got. So sorry if i don't remember all the songs they played. And the think that stank about the end of the show is that Dave never came out for like 45 min after the show. (which I gave up hope in seeing him and left. And for the review it was an excellent show I loved it although it is my second show. David "Setlist stealer" Schmidt ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2000 10:00:11 -0800 From: "Jason A. Reiser" Subject: Happy Birthday, Father-O Have a great birthday, Chris! - - J ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:55:25 GMT From: moonshimmer@xpnonline.net (moonshimmer) Subject: Re: unhappy =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FC?= moments Lisa Carpenter wrote: > i have to say i'm rather envious of everyone else's happy Frü moments. > the only Frü moments i seem to have are relatively unhappy ;( > "if it was some of your Moxy shit you'd have bought it as > soon as you saw it!" i looked at her, rolled my eyes and said "yeah, > right! my entire order from them only came to $35 including s&h!" "maybe > it did, but if that shirt said Moxy Früvous on it you'd have it by now!" > then she proceded to laugh at me like i was an idiot for liking Früvous. > i refrained from trying to convince her otherwise b/c i've tried in the > past, and found out that it just doesn't work. > won't go into specifics, but just about every piece of bullshit > propoganda about middle eastern people that mom and grammy had ever > heard was thrown in my face. i tried to fight back but A)i don't know > enough facts about these people and their various religions and cultures > to defend them and B) even if i did, they would've been tossed aside as > the notions of a silly girl.[2] i found it compltetly incredulous that > these two women who had taught me tollerance, understanding, and > compassion were such copmlete hypocrites!! they regurgitated rhetoric as > if it were gospel, condeming someone they had never met b/c of his > heritage!! they quit after i stopped responding, (the 'if you don't > have anything nice to say, don't say anything' addage. i was ready to > take a strip off each of them. >grrr<), but i don't think i'll ever be > able to look at either of them in the same light again. >sigh< Lisa, let me just say a couple of things here. 1) There are people in the world who have nothing better to do than to be killjoys. If they don't appreciate something, or if they're not even willing to give it a chance, they don't want anyone else to get any enjoyment out of it either. It sounds like this is how your Mom (and some members of my family) are about Fruvous. 2) You can go about fighting preconceptions and prejudices all you want, but generally those who hold them are not interested in having their horizons expanded or their narrow points of view debunked. To me, trying to discuss these things with them ultimately feels like I'm banging my head against a wall. I get hurt, and the wall just stands there being as unmoving as always. Yes, it's aggravating, and especially difficult if you're still living with your family (who of course seem still to view you as a little girl who doesn't know what she's doing, and is prone to these childish silly enthusiasms and crushes ... ) But at some point -- realize that you've made your choice. You've not just bowed to their opinion, or accepted it unquestioningly as small children sometimes do (which of course makes it much easier for those who consider themselves the "grownups".) Instead you're doing what works for you, what speaks to who you are. You're acting as an adult woman, not a child, and they don't like it. They mock it, they don't approve and let you know it anytime the subject comes up -- sometimes they'll bring up the subject out of thin blue air when it might have been the furthest thing from your mind. But why are they so on about this? Just my guess, but I'd say it's because it bothers them a great deal -- not the band per se; the band is just a convenient focal point for their more general anxiety about changing relationships as you grow from young child to a teenager to an adult. Perhaps they're realizing they don't have pretty much total control of you anymore, the way they used to when you were a child. You're acting outside their realm of influence. And they don't like that one bit, and they're fighting against it. Maybe it scares them. Maybe they think that as you grow, they're less important in your life and they'll be left behind. And because of that dislike/fear, they have all these negative feelings, and sometimes that comes out in really ugly ways (which paradoxically has the effect of bringing about exactly what they fear -- you grow away from them, notice their "hypocrisy", don't like their company so much anymore, and choose to spend time with other people who tolerate/accept/share your views and enthusiasms, rather than those who put them down.) But you know what? All that means is that *you* are in control of you. In fact, it's become an obvious enough reality that even those who don't want to admit it have noticed it. And as long as you know that, the rest doesn't really matter so much. Their prejudices, their disapproval, their mocking, their refusal to get it, their combativeness is their problem, not yours. Even if it aggravates the hell out of you. :) And believe me, I know how aggravating it can be. Just keep the conviction that you're on your own path, not someone else's -- and that you know better than anyone else how to proceed along it. - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:40:17 GMT From: Brent & Marianne Miller Subject: Tickets for Friday and Saturday Now available 2 Tickets for Friday 18th 2 Tickets for Saturday 19th Recently our dog had surgery and is now suffering from some post surgery complications. Consequently, we will not be able to make the weekend shows. Our dog should be fine in a few days, but who could leave man's best friend in the care of others when he needs our supervised attention. Anyone interested in the tickets can e-mail us directly at: zone5@home.com Phone 412-221-2377 Price $8 US each We'll be thinking about all of you this weekend, Brent and Mar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:11:40 GMT From: Lisa Carpenter Subject: Re: unhappy =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FC?= moments moonshimmer wrote: > Just keep the conviction that you're on your own path, not someone else's -- > and that you know better than anyone else how to proceed along it. Lori, have you ever considered being a therapist? or a mind reader? everything you said is true. they don't want to let me go, i'm the baby of the family, if you don't count my cousins daughter who we've never seen. >grin< i'm not about to rehash all my teenaged-turned-20's angst here (oh, don't look so relieved!) but i did want to say thank you for your kind, supportive and insightfull words. they truly mean a lot. ::sniff:: you're so sweet! >hug< prarieFrü ******************** and these were our words our words were our songs these songs are our prayers these prayers keep me strong and i still believe..... ******************** my bill's in the mail, right? >snicker< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:59:14 GMT From: PythonHGr@aol.com Subject: Can anyone help me here? Hi everyone. I was up in Quebec for a marching band trip, and our tour guide was in a band up there. They're called "The Burger Boys" (I'm almost positive anyway). Do you think anyone can help me by telling me if they have a web page or not? I was wondering if anyone has heard of them. He told me that he's hung out with Früvous once and they're great guys and stuff. Thanks everyone! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:18:12 GMT From: Lisa Carpenter Subject: Re: Could it be... Fruvous content? Sorta! Betsy wrote: > P.S. Lisa, I am so sorry about your terrible FruMoments. My mom is kind of > like that too. Parents can be such a bummer. (please read disclaimer) > > Disclaimer: Not all parents are bummers. Just some. not all of them are terrible. i can't go to geology class without Pisco running through my head, or to sociology without hearing greatest man in america and even to archeology has it's patron song....splatter^2! it's just when the parental units are involved that everything turns sour. ::shrug:: can't convince'em they're being ignorant bigots, so i just put my walkman and crank the volume so i don't have to listen. prarieFrü ******************** and these were our words our words were our songs these songs are our prayers these prayers keep me strong and i still believe..... ******************** ps. hey, betsy! double tag! >snickersnicker< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:04:52 -0500 From: hawley@best.com (hawley) Subject: Expectations (wasa Re: Murray's Ann Arbor...) In article <26.1f51812.25dc26e2@aol.com>, Tmbg4life@aol.com wrote: >And the think that stank about the end of the show is that Dave >never came out for like 45 min after the show. (which I gave up hope in >seeing him and left. One of the things that's great about MF is that they have such a good rapport with their fans and by and large spend a lot of time with them. On the one hand, it makes sense for a band of their reputation and fan base. Good PR leads to new fans and more sales via word of mouth. On the other hand, it _is_ time consuming and can be tiring especially when you've been on the road for a while or didn't get any sleep on the bus/van, or are sick, or had family/relationship problems and so on. Visiting with the band is really a gift from them to us and not an obligation on their part. It reminds me of a story related by an acquaintance whose parents are close friends of Arlo Guthrie. After a concert he had arranged to have dinner with Guthrie and met up with him outside the hall after the show. Guthrie was surrounded by adoring fans and was being reasonably genial. After spotting my acquaintance he looked at the fans with a certain amount of exasperation and asked, "Can I go now?" In other words, they may be performers but we don't own them. Steve Hawley Bit Banger hawley_at_plinth_dot_org - -- "I am not a vegetarian because I love animals. I am a vegetarian because I hate plants" -- A. Whitney Brown http://www.plinth.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:29:24 -0600 From: "Kathleen Cain" Subject: OT: Labyrinth I just need to share a very happy moment I had today. I was in Target getting a couple of things I need when I saw one copy of Labyrinth for $9.99. I had to buy it! I used to have a copy but I watched it so much that the tape broke. I haven't seen it for years, and it is one of my favorites. Bowie never looked sexier! I really shouldn't have spent the money as I need it all to move next week, but how could I turn it down?? Just sharing. Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2000 03:58:19 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: godspeed, frutrippers! Well, I figure whole bunches of you are off on the great annual frutrek tomorrow, so I wanted to say have fun, take lots of notes for us, stay to the right of the yellow line, and don't cross the border before vacuuming the pot seeds out of the backseat [1]. Above all, be safe and be merry. ~jen =) [1] I don't even remember whose story that was... or if I even got it right... but those are words of wisdom worth repeating, I think ;-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2000 03:41:42 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Who wants to marry a multi-millionaire? >>but in the end, it just seemed so darn, well...sweet.<< Wow-- I had the *complete* opposite reaction. I saw the last half hour, thinking it would be kinda campy fun. I was came away disgusted and disturbed *beyond words* by what I saw. The spectacle, the blatant disregard for genuine affection, the *swimsuit* competetion for pete's sake. It really made me wonder what horrible thing had happened in these people's lives to make them think that this was not only an acceptable alternative, but actually a viable option. I almost want to say I was just saddened by the whole thing, but that's truly understating my reaction. ~jen (who realizes she is little better by watching even a small portion of the program... trust me, it won't happen again.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:43:51 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Who wants to marry a multi-millionaire? Jacey7 wrote: > It really made me wonder what horrible thing had > happened in these people's lives to make them think that this was not only an > acceptable alternative, but actually a viable option. I guess that's what I liked about it. Like I said, they both came across as being very lonely people who had been around the block enough times that they were willing to commit to a total stranger for the rest of their lives. They both appeared sincere in their desire to get married as opposed to just being on the show to further their acting careers (as a couple of the other women came across.) I genuinely felt that these two are going to give it a decent try. I was impressed with the fact that they're obviously both huge risk-takers. He even commented on how much he believed in fate, and since this is where he ended up, then he felt this must be his destiny. Damn! I wish I had that much faith in the unknown, and the courage to not question it. I just gotta salute that combination of naivete and guts. :-) Besides, I figure they've got as good of a chance as making as anyone else. I've known several couples who've lived together for over five years, then got married and divorced within the next two. On the flip side, arranged marriages have been around since...well, forever...and some of them have been known to last a lifetime. I guess there aren't any hard and fast rules for a successful marriage. It varies with each couple. Therefore, I'm taking the romantic side of this opinion poll, and I'm rooting for the high-rolling, common-sense eschewing, new couple! Cookie ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #90 *******************************************