From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #62 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, February 1 2000 Volume 04 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: kinda OT: Dr. Seuss (was OT: As long as we're talking...) [spin0za1@a] Re: Fruvous/REM? [mmstevens18@cs.comwhatever (Princess)] Re: You Can't Do That On Moxy Fruvous (sorta long) [spin0za1@aol.commmm (] Re: (OT) Piccolos [spychicr@aol.compoot (Rai-Marie)] Re: (OT) Piccolos [spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1)] BJ revelation ... ["Anna!" ] Columbia House worries me... [Paul Mischler ] g'night all [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Being Dave Matheson [FruCake1@aol.com] tuesday night web-radio! ["^kat^" ] Re: Fruvous/REM? ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: malcolm in the Middle ["Carey Farrell" ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) [Chad ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) [Chad ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 01 Feb 2000 05:31:48 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: kinda OT: Dr. Seuss (was OT: As long as we're talking...) ooh, I think I love you! "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown Gella ------------------------------ Date: 01 Feb 2000 05:57:45 GMT From: mmstevens18@cs.comwhatever (Princess) Subject: Re: Fruvous/REM? > >Has Fruvous ever done any REM covers? My vote would be for "End of the World...." all four working together could do some fun stuff with that. Or "Superman" just cuz' I love that song. :) M ************************************* Michelle Princess of Swank MMStevens18@cs.com ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 01 Feb 2000 05:41:15 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: You Can't Do That On Moxy Fruvous (sorta long) >Does anyone remember the Jim Henson tribute show? I vaguely remember one where the muppets are all excited to be doing a tribute to Jim Henson and then Fozzie reads a letter from a fan to Kermit saying that they're sorry that his good friend Jim died... then Fozzie gets all upset because he hadn't realized why they were doing the tribute and then they sing a song and Kermit comes in at the last minute... and I cried when I heard Brian's voice coming from Kermit. I haven't seen it since it was on TV. Is that the one you mean? There was also this thing on Great Performances once... the world of Jim Henson. All the way from the very beginning of his career to the end... it's really wonderful. "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown Gella ------------------------------ Date: 01 Feb 2000 05:35:53 GMT From: spychicr@aol.compoot (Rai-Marie) Subject: Re: (OT) Piccolos kyla stated: <> Little known facts about the piccolo: They're fourty million times harder than flutes to play. They're only obnoxious when the person behind them is obnoxious and insists on playing them constantly in the upper octave. The smallest piccolo was only two inches long and could only play one note- a high B, two octaves above the staff. It was specially made for that one note recently for the Philadelphia Orchestra's recent performance of Gurielledier. (I know this 'cause I read the paper about it.) Piccolos are the most picked on instruments of the band. I hope you all feel happy now. You've just broken my happy-go-lucky spirit. :o( --Rai-Marie --We've been ridiculed! Are there NO other piccolo players out there to help me defend this? ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Rai-Marie (SpyChic@fruhead.com)'s a SPONGE MONKEY!!! "Okay. There's the 'b' album, and the forthcoming 'c' album, so why's there is no 'a' album?" "Because then it would have to be 'an' album." ~My friend Dee and her Dad. ------------------------------ Date: 01 Feb 2000 06:03:08 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: (OT) Piccolos Face it... you just hate pics because their cases are easiest to carry and you're jealous! "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown Gella ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 07:15:31 GMT From: "Anna!" Subject: BJ revelation ... Hey wow - I don't think I've ever started my own topic before. Nifty. Anyhoo... I was reveling in my new toy which is RadioTMBG and I found today that TMBG wrote a song for Malcolm In The Middle (y'know - that show which is actually kind of cute...) called 'Don't Cry' which is (according to the commentary that pops up) a tribute to 70's singer BJ Thomas. Now, I don't know if that means that just the style of the song is a tribute (it does sound kind of 70's soft rock) or the actual song. I'd never even heard of this BJ guy, but I did visit his fan club page which crashed my computer a few times before it finally worked. The last lines of the song go: Don't cry, dry those tears from your eyes. This song is all true, dedicated to you, Don't cry." So, are they saying "BJ, don't cry"? I don't know if this is a coincidence, or if BJ Thomas was just known for crying a lot. He did, apparently, have a hit song titled "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" which came out in 1966. Should he feel special because at least two bands have now written songs about him? Beats the hell out of me. I was wondering if anyone else had thought of this while I wasn't paying attention... It just seems a little too coincidental that two songs were written about not crying with relation to someone named BJ, eh? I'm not sure why I care, but now I'm interested. I never quite bought the "BJ" standing for Baby Jesus idea anyway. Just kick me if this has already been thrown out on the table :) - -anna- "Why do he have to half kill ourselves to prove that we're alive?" -pulp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:27:40 -0500 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Columbia House worries me... I went to the Columbia House (USA) website today to look at the listings... I did my ever hopeful search for "Moxy" Früvous... Well, their database is getting smarter. This time it said: "We're sorry. MOXY FRÜVOUS is not an artist featured in our club catalog at this time." "Oh well, what else is new?" I thought. Then I saw what it had below... We have found 3 artists similar to Moxy Früvous: Alan Jackson Chris LeDoux Garth Brooks 3 _country_ singers similar to Moxy Früvous? hoo boy... This could get interesting... - -Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:44 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: g'night all Hello everyone; I won't be posting for a while, or hanging out on IRC, because i'm leaving in approximately twenty-four hours to spend three and a half months in a semester-away program. I've really enjoyed all the time I've spent on this ng, at FDC, at FHDC, on IRC - as well as the cool and friendly people I've met. You know who you are. :) I look forward to seeing all you great folks at a festival sometime, or just kickin' around the ng when i get back in May. later, alligators - peace, - -maryam- "i've just seen a face i can't forget the time or place where we just met she's just the girl for me and i want all the world to see we've met" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:10:41 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Being Dave Matheson Hello all! In 16 days, not only will our beloved Dave celebrate a birthday, but the "Grand Opening" of "Being Dave Matheson" will occur on MPG.com. Stay tuned......... Lisa Bills http://www.mypoorgeneration.com PS I will also be setting up a message board for those that would like to leave a birthday message for Dave. I'll let you know when that goes up. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:03:53 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: tuesday night web-radio! ok, folks, promise i won't bug the newsgroup again with posts about this. but i wanted to send out a reminder for any of you that will be near a computer from 8-10 pm EST tonight... go to www.broadcast.com/radio/college/wybcam to hear the eclectic cafe, my radio show which features the music of moxy fruvous and (looking at tonight's playlist) lots of eddie from ohio, tmbg, nields, sarah slean, and a host of other good tunes by a variety of artists. i'm giving away another cd, too (in case the playlist wasn't incentive enough). :) so, take care, all, & hope to have some of you tuning in this evening! ^kat^ "it was a fine idea at the time, now it's a brilliant mistake" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:53:46 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: Fruvous/REM? "wild" Bill wrote: >I haven't heard of them doing one, but if they were going to do an REM >cover, I've always been partial to "near wild heaven". > >not near enough.... SWOON! OK, that was my favorite REM song for ages, and Fruvous would sound *great* doing it. But I think Jian should step in and do lead for that, or for any other Mike Mills song. Oooh, that'll be in my head for the next hour or two! Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:51:06 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: malcolm in the Middle Neil wrote: >Hm... chronological order of when you purchased/received them? I've >thought about doing that, but it'd be really difficult... Alphabetical >order makes more sense. In order of when I bought/received them, and yes, I knew the order even before I got started on this little project. I once actually recited all 100+ CDs off the top of my head, when a friend and I had insomnia and were getting really ridiculous. >Gin Blossoms had more than one song, it was just released under >different titles. I _swear_ to this day that all of GB's songs all use >the same chords/changes.. Yeah, that's what I meant. And actually, they had *two* songs. There's a country-ish one called "Cheatin'" that I had repressed for about 5 years. Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:14:40 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) - ---------------=======================================-------------- FAQ Comments: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html Newsgroup: news://alt.music.moxy-fruvous Website: http://www.fruvous.com - ---------------=======================================-------------- *** FAQ Update *** This is the monthly posting of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous official Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list. An updated version of this text is posted to the newsgroup on the first of each month. Updated records are easily recognizable by looking for *'s in the FAQ itself. WARNING: This posting is positively huge. It is broken into 4 parts of about 500 lines each. An HTML version of this FAQ with hyperlinks (making it infinitely more readable), is available at Fruvous Dot Com: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ is currently actively maintained and provides a centralized placed to look for answers to commonly asked questions on the newsgroup. All questions, comments, or suggestions for the FAQ should be sent to ammf-faq@fruvous.com. Discussions of the FAQ and its contents are appropriate for the newsgroup, but please cc: ammf-faq@fruvous.com also to insure the FAQ maintainer gets them also. - - Keeper of the FAQ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:14:42 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) [begin part 1/4] Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Questions, suggestions, and submissions to: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ last updated: 26-JAN-2000 Question marked by a '*' denote content changes in this version of the FAQ. Questions marked by the '*' have been modified significantly enough to make it known, so that people familiar with the previous FAQ need only browse the '*' marks to get updated information. Questions in this FAQ: Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? 3) Who maintains the FAQ? 4) How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? 5) Where can I get the FAQ? Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? 2) Is there an IRC Channel? 3) Is there a newsgroup? 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? 12) What is the "newsgroup pin"? 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? 14) Are there any major fan web pages? 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? 16) What's an umlaut? How do I make one? 17) I don't seem to be getting any posts from the Mail<-->News Gateway. What should I do? 18) I'm sending email through the Mail<-->News Gateway, but people who use news to read the group don't see it. Why? Section: Basic Moxy Fruvous Information 1) Who is Moxy Fruvous? 2) What does "Moxy Fruvous" mean? 3) What is a Fruhead? How can I become a Fruhead? 4) What is the "Fruhead Card"? 5)* What is the "Frumiles Card"? 6)* My Frumiles Card expires at the "end of the millennium." Is that December 31st, 1999, or 2000? 7) Where is the band currently touring? 8) Why has the band toured more in the United States than in Canada lately? 9) Why does the band frequently play at restricted venues that don't allow underage people in? 10) There seems to be frequent mention of taping at Fruvous shows and trading of these tapes. What's the band's policy on that? 11) Is there any connection between Moxy Fruvous and the soft drink Moxie? 12) I ordered my merchandise four weeks ago from Fruvous and I haven't received it yet. What gives? 13) What's the best thing I can do to help support the band? 14) What's the story behind "The Troc"? What happened? Section: Mike, Murray, Jian, and Dave 1) On stage, who is who? 2) Why is Jian's name written as Jean in liner notes and older articles? 3) How do you pronounce Jian Ghomeshi? 4) Is Dave gay? bisexual? How about Murray? Jian? Mike? Section: The Albums 1) What albums does Moxy Fruvous have out? 2) Why aren't all the albums in stores? Where are they available? 3) What if I can't get any of the albums at stores? 4) Does the band ever put out singles? 5) Does the band ever make videos? 6) Is there any connection between _You Will Go to the Moon_ and the children's book of the same name? 7) What is the Indie Cassette I keep hearing about? 8) Where can I get the Indie Cassette? Section: Songs and Lyrics 1) Where can I get a copy of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 2) Where can I find the lyrics to "Johnny Saucep'n," "Your New Boyfriend," etc? 3) Where can I get translations of the French songs? 4) Where can I find tabulature for Fruvous songs? 5) Where can I find vocal sheet music for Fruvous songs? 6) Where can I find sound files of Fruvous songs? 7) Which band member wrote which songs? Do they collaborate? 8) What's the song that they perform with the refrain, "Hey little bird, fly away home"? 9) Is it a female voice or Mike's voice during the intro to the studio version of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 10) Who says "Swing it" on the studio version of "Gotta Get a Message to You"? 11) Is the "Lowest Highest Point" really in Delaware? 12) In "King of Spain," the King plays crokinole. What IS crokinole? 13)* What songs that Moxy Fruvous regularly performs are actually covers? Section: Fruvous Characters 1) Who is Larry Boniface Clebdon? Who is Barry? 2) Who is Lazlo? 3) What's a Laika? 4) Who is Dusty Fosterbourd? 5) Who is Grandpa Fruvous? 6) Who is Lou? 7) Who is Marion Fruvous? Section: Fruvous-Related Links and Information 1) What other bands might a fan of Fruvous be interested in? Credits Appendices: Appendix A - An explanation of why age restricted venues exist and bands play at them Appendix B - alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup definitions and etiquette suggestions Appendix C - common acronyms seen in alt.music.moxy-fruvous Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ (a.m.m-f FAQ, or just the FAQ from here on out) is a frequently asked questions list that is a resource for newcomers and old timers of the internet NNTP newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is intended to answer many of the commonly recurring questions that are posed to the newsgroup so that the members there are not continually answering the same questions. Note that the a.m.m-f FAQ is not gospel. It is fan maintained. Sources are cited where they are known and every attempt has been made to give information in as neutral a way as possible. But the maintainer is only human (and at this time at least, a quite opinionated human at that), and at times some inkling of their opinions may seep in. Feel free to complain if you disagree. 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ does contain some good general Fruvous information that does not relate directly to the newsgroup. Any fan may find the information here useful, even if they do not have the time or desire to read the newsgroup. Also, "Fruvous FAQ" is much easier to say and type than "alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ" or "a.m.m-f FAQ." 3) Who maintains the FAQ? The original maintainer of the FAQ was Colleen Campbell. She researched, wrote up, and maintained the FAQ from its birth until August of 1999. Her work on the FAQ is very much appreciated, and the Fruvous community owes her a debt for her hard work. The second and current maintainer of the FAQ is Chad Maloney. Chad has been a Fruvous fan since July 1997 and posts frequently (if not very frequently) to a.m.m-f. He can be reached at Chad@fruvous.com and gladly accepts any and all email. 4) How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? Your input to this FAQ is very valuable. If there's something you disagree with, that you want said in a different way, or that you want added to or removed from the FAQ, please email the current FAQ maintainer. They should happily talk with you about your addition and give you feedback on the request. The email address ammf-faq@fruvous.com is setup for the current FAQ maintainer. Please do NOT post your FAQ input to a.m.m-f. The FAQ maintainer needs to keep a record of all requests so that they are processed accordingly. Due to problems with newsfeeds, every post to a.m.m-f may not make it to the maintainer. Please DO email the FAQ maintainer at ammf-faq@fruvous.com. 5) Where can I get the FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ is available in a couple of different ways. It is posted monthly to the newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is also available on the web at http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html. You can also request the FAQ from the ammf-faq autoresponder. To do this, simply send an email to ammf-faq-request@fruvous.com and the FAQ, split into sizeable chunks, will automatically be emailed to you. Finally, you can request that the FAQ be emailed to you by emailing ammf-faq@fruvous.com and requesting the latest version of the FAQ. The FAQ maintainer will forward you the FAQ when they get the email. Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? Yes, there is. http://www.fruvous.com (Fruvous Dot Com or FDC) is the official Moxy Fruvous web page and an amazing resource for Moxy Fruvous fans. The site is one of the best band websites around and contains an up-to-date tour itinerary, song lyrics, articles, guitar tab, and show reviews. Reviews posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous usually make their way onto the site or they can be emailed to webmaster@fruvous.com. The site is maintained by Chris O'Malley and any questions about it should be sent to him at webmaster@fruvous.com. Moxy Fruvous Corp also has registered the domain moxyfruvous.com for future use. 2) Is there an IRC Channel? Yes, there is probably more than one. The one that many a.m.m-f denizens frequent is #MoxyFruvous on the Undernet. More information about that channel is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/irc.html. You can probably find Moxy Fruvous channels on EFNet and DALnet as well under various names. 3) Is there a newsgroup? Yes, there is. alt.music.moxy-fruvous (for which this FAQ is written) is the Usenet group for discussion of Moxy Fruvous. For a simple etiquette guide to alt.music.moxy-fruvous, see Appendix B of this FAQ. To access the newsgroup using NNTP, choose your favorite newsreader (like TIN, Netscape Messenger, Outlook, etc) and look in the alt.music hierarchy for moxy-fruvous. You also need a news provider. If you are in school, you may have to request that alt.music.moxy-fruvous be added to your school's news server. You can also use a free NNTP service like Deja.com to read the newsgroup or there are several great news service providers that are available for relatively little money. NewsGuy, for example, works extremely well for some people ( http://www.newsguy.com ) and is very inexpensive. AOL has their own newsserver and the newsgroup is available there. To get to it, go to the keyword "newsgroups", then "add newsgroup." Search the alt.music hierarchy for alt.music.moxy-fruvous and then subscribe. Note that NNTP and the graph of newsservers is not wholly reliable. Sometimes posts may be lost or come in out of order. Deja.com is usually very complete, as is NewsGuy. See question #6 for some alternatives to using a bad newsserver. 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? ammf@fruvous.com is the email address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Sending email to ammf@fruvous.com will post the contents of the email to the newsgroup with the subject provided. This is how the Mail--->News half of the gateway works, so that when you reply to a message sent by the gateway, it goes to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News gateway provides a way to receive the contents of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup without using an NNTP newsreader. Instead, once you subscribe, each posting to the newsgroup is emailed to you directly. Note that there is still an NNTP server behind the Mail<-->News gateway, so there may be posts out of order or left out, like when using another NNTP server. The contents of the list are also available in digest form. See question #9 for more information. For more information about the Mail<-->News Gateway, see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? If you aren't subscribed to the Mail<-->News gateway, something is really wrong. If you are subscribed to the Mail<-->News Gateway, then probably someone else is having mail problems and is bouncing mail to the list. Please send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com regarding the problem and they will work it out. Forward the bounce there and they will fix the problem as promptly as possible. 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? You have a couple of choices. You could pay for a better NNTP service from a company like NewsGuy ( http://www.newsguy.com ). If you have patience, you can use a free NNTP service that has a good newsfeed like Deja.com. The interface to Deja is a little awkward, but it does work. The web site http://www.fruhead.com has a web interface into a.m.m-f available as well. Finally, you can subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway which is already hooked up to a good newsfeed. To subscribe to the Mail<-->Gateway (which will email you everything posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous and allow you to email ammf@fruvous.com to post to the newsgroup), see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. It has information on the Mail<-->News Gateway. Note that the web interface on FHDC uses the Mail<-->News Gateway for its newsfeed. 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? To unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway, you need to unsubscribe from the mailing list ammf@fruvous.com. If you are unsubscribing from the address that is subscribed to the list, you simply need to send an email to ammf-request@fruvous.com with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Otherwise, you're request will need to be authorized manually. You can email owner-ammf@fruvous.com for help with that process. If you are subscribed to the digest version, send your email to ammf-digest-request@fruvous.com following the instructions above. Please don't include your .sig in messages to the ammf-request address as it may mess up the automatic processor. See http://www.fruvous.com/other.html for more Mail<-->News gateway information. 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? Nope. Sorry. The mailing list software behind the Mail<-->News gateway is Majordomo, which doesn't allow you to remain subscribed, while temporarily shutting off distribution of mailing list messages to your email address. To do this, you'll have to unsubscribe then resubscribe when you return. 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? The best thing to do is to subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway in digest form. In digest form, you will receive one large email containing a number of posts to the newsgroup instead of each one individually. You can then read the one message, instead of individually reading the 40 messages contained in it. To do this, email ammf-request@fruvous.com with the message body containing "subscribe ammf-digest". 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? There are two easily available archives of the newsgroup. The first is provided by the Mail<-->News gateway, which archives all digests it sends. They are available for download at http://www.smoe.org/lists/ammf but you can't search or easily navigate through the digests. Deja.com archives a great portion of Usenet for your use. It provides robust searching of newsgroup articles back to 1996. 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? alt.fan.moxy.fruvous is the old Moxy Fruvous newsgroup. People now use alt.music.moxy-fruvous for discussion of the band Moxy Fruvous. The newsgroup in the alt.fan hierarchy is no longer used because it was not petitioned properly in alt.config before the "add group" message was given to NNTP servers. Because of this, the alt.fan group is not available in many places. The alt.music group was (eventually) properly setup and should be available on a wider range of servers. An attempt was made to remove the alt.fan group from Usenet, but this isn't really feasible because NNTP servers aren't organized at all. Most posts to alt.fan.moxy.fruvous get immediate replies from kind fans referring them to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. 12) What is the "newsgroup pin"? alt.music.moxy-fruvous is a pretty cohesive fan group and many of us have developed a taste for meeting up with each other at Fruvous shows. To identify each other, the newsgroup came up with the a.m.m-f pin, originally distributed by Vicky Brasseur to those who sent her an SASE. There are a limited number of fans still using these old buttons, but Vicky is no longer distributing them. If you are at a show, look for Fruheads wearing a 2" white pin with black lettering, "alt.music.moxy-fruvous" on the top, "have modem - will travel" on the bottom, with the "Barry" creature (from the back of _The B Album_) in the center in full color. An image of the a.m.m-f pin (or ng pin) is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/miscpics/frupin.gif The newsgroup pin seems to be in less use than it was during '97. Many of the newsgroup regulars became very familiar with each other in that period and identification pins became rather extraneous. There are a lot of new a.m.m-f'ers out there, though, and it would probably help us all meet each other if we kept the pin in common use. In August of 1999, Chad Maloney ( Chad@fruvous.com ) had a new batch of the old buttons reprinted. He has information on how to get an ng pin available. See http://www.fruhead.com/users/Chad/ammf-pin.html for more information about getting a button. 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? Jian has admitted in front of fans that he does skim the newsgroup occasionally. It's also been said that Murray and Mike have seen the newsgroup before. Even though members of the band occasionally see the newsgroup, the newsgroup is not for communication with the band members. Many, many people read the newsgroup to discuss Moxy Fruvous, and the last thing they want is people posting personal messages to Murray, for example. There are much better ways to communicate personally with the band than to use the public newsgroup. Please remember that the newsgroup is a public forum and what you write may be seen by any number of people, including band members. 14) Are there any major fan web pages? FDC has a links page for many fan pages in its "Moxy Online" section available at http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. Also, http://www.fruhead.com (or FHDC for you acronym buffs) has a "Fruhead Links" section with Fruvous-related links on it. FHDC itself is a fan web page and resource for Fruheads kept up by Josh Woodward. 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? Bill Bowen's, known also as the "Fruvous Supplement," lost web space quite a while ago. He has since allowed Chris O'Malley to include his web page on FDC. Josh Cragun's, which was originally the "official" Fruvous homepage but hadn't been updated in over a year, disappeared over a year ago. The "jcragun" account was removed from the server, possibly because Josh is no longer at school. Chris has, however, moved some of the articles, lyrics, and other tidbits from those pages to FDC with the permission of their previous owners. 16) What's an umlaut? How do I make one? An umlaut is the technical name for the two dots that are above the "u" in Moxy Fruvous in all the band's printed materials. In other languages, things like umlauts modify the pronounciation of a specific letter. For example, the u-umlaut in German sounds like a ue, and is sometimes written that way in electronic media where no umlaut is available. How to make an umlaut on your computer depends on the computer you use and the character set it is configured for. On most Windows PCs, the ascii code 129 is used for the lowercase u-umlaut. To make it, hold down the ALT-key and, using the numeric keypad on the far right of your keyboard, type 129 then release the ALT-key. The result should be a lowercase u-umlaut that will be visible for people using Windows. But, for some people using a different character set usually on UNIX, what you just made will show up as junk. It is this character set difference that keeps this FAQ from using umlauts for Fruvous and that causes many people to not use them in IRC or on the newsgroup. Not everyone sees it as an umlaut. Normally, when someone sees a word that is Fr^vous for example, they realize what it says, but it's usually best to stick to Fruvous without the umlaut if you want it to look decent on all computers. 17) I don't seem to be getting any posts from the Mail<-->News Gateway. What should I do? Don't panic. a.m.m-f gets a lot of traffic and you probably notice when something is awry with some part of the Mail<-->News Gateway. There are a couple steps in the process that could be the problem and any diagnosis you can do on your own will benefit both you and others. The first thing to check is your email account. Do you have an email quota that you are violating because of too much mail? If you are in violation of your quota, your ISP may be automatically bouncing new messages addressed to you back to the sender. Are you getting other email alright? If so, there's probably nothing wrong with your mail account. Your ISP can probably help you figure out if you are having problems with your email service. The Mail<-->News Gateway works by taking mail from an NNTP newsserver it uses and forwarding it to a majordomo mailing list. There are a couple places where this whole process can be gummed up. The newsserver the Mail<-->Gateway uses may be having problems, there could be space problems on the machine that manages the majordomo list, or any of myriad of other problems. The proper thing to do when you've determined the problem isn't your email is to send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com and explain your problems. They will help you as soon as they can. Please don't send "I'm not getting any posts" messages to the newsgroup. The correct and direct way to get the problem fixed is to alert owner-ammf@fruvous.com of the problem. 18) I'm sending email through the Mail<-->News Gateway, but people who use news to read the group don't see it. Why? To send posts to the newsgroup through the Mail<-->News Gateway, you have to send email to ammf@fruvous.com. This is the correct address and the only address that will post your message to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News Gateway is currently housed by smoe.org and ammf@smoe.org is a valid email address, but is NOT the address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Mail sent to this address will be distributed only to those people who subscribe to the gateway. People who use NNTP news services or Deja won't see the post. The solution is to use ammf@fruvous.com, which will automatically submit a NNTP news post for you that will then be distributed to Deja and other NNTP news service providers, including the Mail<-->News Gateway itself. [end part 1/4] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #62 *******************************************