From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #51 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, January 27 2000 Volume 04 : Number 051 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Drums and drummers [FruCake1@aol.com] Re: Moxy CDs [Dave Briggs ] Re: Drums and drummers [bradbourne@my-deja.com] Re: You Can't Do That On Moxy Fruvous [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at ] Re: OT: New thread (and a bit risque at that) [Sally ] Re: Nickelodeon Shows [saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83)] Re: letter people [saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83)] Re: OT: New thread (and a bit risque at that) [saphiracat83@aol.com (Saph] OT: Frucontent :-) [saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83)] Re: The Ballad of Marion Frvous [hugrod@home.com (Hugo Rodrigues)] Re: nickelodeon shows [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: hanging spoons from noses [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: Double Dare ;) [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: You Can't Do That On Moxy Fruvous [LilacGirl1002@aol.com] more weird talents [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: how about Chipmunk adventure? [mike96@bluecrow.com (Mike Yoshioka)] re: more weird talents [PoppRoxx14@aol.com] Re: more weird talents [neil@nospam.flipse.com (Neil Bardhan)] Re: OT/Not OT Tall New Buildings ["Christine K @*_*@" ] Re: OT/Not OT Tall New Buildings [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)] Spare Ticket for SOLD OUT Worms Show [Mi in Mississauga ] Re: You Can't Do That On Moxy Fruvous [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)] Let Us do 4 You [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:01:13 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Re: Drums and drummers Luella wrote: >>But what I really want to know is: who am I going to be able to drag to the Contra Dancing lessons this year?<< Count me in!!! :) My husband backed out last year! Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:38:54 +0000 From: Dave Briggs Subject: Re: Moxy CDs In article <20000125234118.27845.00000257@ng-fo1.aol.com>, Gordon Nash writes >> "entropy" which has >>to be one of the most clever songs ever written. > >Its always great to find another Entropy fan. I wish they'd do that live. Are >you a science person too? > > >Feanole aka DrWhoFru I'm also an entropy fan, but lets get things in proportion. It's a very witty song but the style is very Tom Lehrer who managed that sort of song many times to great effect. Personally I regard his Elements to be cleverer but Entropy to be more fun. In a similar vein, do you like TMBG's Why does the Sun Shine? - -- Dave Briggs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:08:52 GMT From: bradbourne@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Drums and drummers > What about those of us who don't drum, and still want in on a little of this > action? Can I bring my tambourine? Drum Circles aren't just for drummers... I know a lot of people who participate in drum circles as a kind of religion... when done correctly, they are very spiritual. Unfortunately, I will not be attending FruCon, but I will be at FRFF (right now at least) and knowing that people are interested, I will bring along my Djembe so I can participate... For those of you who are curious.. .I'm going to paste in a Drum Circle Basics kind of document... maybe you can start a drum circle in your area?! Peace and Rhythm, Mark "I drum there for I am... -Me *********PASTE********** Drum Circle Basics Drum circles come in many forms – from technically precise performances to crazed freeform jams. The following general suggestions can enhance any group drumming experience, regardless of its style or goals. Be supportive of others Remember that each person in the circle is sharing their personal time and energy with you and the circle – a special kind of gift. For many people drum circles can be very powerful and intimate. Always return to them not only the energy of your drumming but also your respect, patience, guidance, and appreciation. Listen to and play with others Find the "pulse" (the prominent bass beats, rests, and accents that you "feel") and follow it. Even if you’re only playing one repetitive beat that supports each pulse, it actually adds a lot! It is this pulse (yet not necessarily one particular rhythm) that holds the circle together. In circles with a strong enough pulse, individual drummers can safely lose themselves briefly, playing freeform, and still find their way back to the circle again. Follow the leader. Watch and listen for the pulse and signals (i.e., "Break" beats, countdowns, gestures, or verbal instructions.) If the pulse changes or you get lost, either stop or play very quietly until you find it again. If there is no clear leader, follow the most confident sounding drummer you can hear clearly. Play soft enough that everyone can be heard (including any singers, guitarists, etc.) Do not to play over others in the circle! Similarly, play slow enough that everyone can keep up. And as tempo and volume change, adjust accordingly. Get involved and have fun! Don’t worry; everyone has rhythm – it jus’ takes time to find it. If need be, start simple – try slapping your knees, humming, clapping, or playing the quieter (more forgiving) drums. Do anything you feel like as long as it doesn’t disrupt others; and be creative! Most importantly, enjoy! When in doubt, ask Every drum circle and every drummer is different. If you’re not sure what’s appropriate, how to do something, or whatever, just ask. We’re all learning this together Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2000 20:22:53 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: You Can't Do That On Moxy Fruvous Kathleen said: > A good friend of mine >fought in the war and is dying today because of the chemical warfare those >poor Iraqi soldiers decided to use. I know that the military still won't >admit fully to the knowledge that chemical warfare was being used. Gulf >War syndrome still as no cure and there is still denial that those men who >are suffering from it are telling the truth. I know the truth as I watch >my friend go downhill every month. We don't know if how long he has. Egads, I never meant to imply the American and allied soldiers didn't face hideous circumstances too. What I was trying to point out was that by and large we heard about the valiant efforts of the allies, the heroics and horror, ad nauseam, while the Iraqis and their trials and injuries and deaths were rarely referenced, dismissed by the media as unworthy of mention. One of the vital steps in convincing a populace of the moral imperative of a war is always to dehumanize and minimize the enemy, and that is what the propaganda machines did on both sides -- and our side was considerably aided and abetted by a media that chose to bring us the war in a way that resembled a video game, albeit one with Olympian snapshots of certain dashingly heroic figures, invariably from our side because there *couldn't* be Iraqi heroes -- they were the bad guys! And needless to say, those "poor Iraqi soldiers" no more chose to use chemical weapons than our rank and file chose to exercise brutality against civilians with "surgical strikes" on residential areas. In the interest of accuracy, please let's separate command decisions, and the elite non-fighting personnel who make them from afar, from the low-ranking individuals whose duty it is to implement them. >If you want to feel empathy with the Iraqi soldiers, that's your choice. They >weren't totally without choice. They mostly died with the knowledge that >they were doing what was right. Religious fervor is their life and their >leader is as important to them, even more so than ours to us. I must differ with this pov. Religious fervor had nothing to do with Iraq's attack on a fellow Muslim state, nor on most Iraqis' military service during the Gulf War. It had little to do with daily life in pre-Gulf War Iraq at all. Caveat: I'm not an Islamic scholar, nor one who specializes in the Middle East. Hence most of what follows is my own (possibly mis-)understanding of the situation. Anyway, that understanding is that pre-Gulf War Iraq was for all intents and purposes a secular, culturally and scientifically modern state with a full infrastructure of societal services -- not "free" as the western mind defines it, but certainly not religiously monolithic and fundamentalist in government like Iran of the past quarter-century, or more recently Afghanistan. (Just one of the complicated reasons Iran and Iraq have been implacable enemies since the Iranian revolution.) Its people were not uneducated, not backward or tribal in outlook or lifestyle. They weren't any more prone to fundamentalism of a religious or any other kind than are Americans. (okay, that might be damning them with faint praise ;) What they WERE was more restricted in speech and movement than we are, by a more ruthless and despotic government that was perfectly willing to use religious factionalism among those holding positions of power as a tool to further its own worldly ends. Saddam Hussein, shameless opportunist that he is, of course attempted to use Muslim loyalties to his advantage, but by and large that tactic failed him both in the Islamic political sphere and among his own people. Any loyalty the elite forces of the Republican Guard showed him was based more on political expediency than true religious fervor. As for the ordinary Iraqi soldier, most of them performed their duties less out of loyalty to a leader many despised, religious fervor, or a deep conviction that Saddam was right in his position, than out of fear for the consequences to himself and his family and friends if he didn't. You might consider that a "choice"; I don't. That's the difference between a voluntary military force and a conscripted one at the hands of a despot; the volunteers can have a life free of harassment, torture, and death even if they *don't* enlist and serve. Were the Iraqi soldiers angels? Hardly. But there are few angels on battlefields; there are few that can even look on their opponents as human beings and keep doing what they've been told to do. That doesn't mean that we, at a distance, watching on television or reflecting back on it years later, have to continue dehumanizing the enemy in order to justify our own side. The dead or otherwise destroyed Iraqis are just as human, and just as much victims of that war, of Hussein and Bush alike, as are the American heroes -- those who died and those, like your friend, whose own, "just" government now ignores and denies them. That's what I couldn't forget during the Gulf War. It's why I kept a candle lit for all military personnel, ours and theirs. In my mind, each of those soldiers was equally valuable, equally irreplaceable -- even though all governments concerned viewed them as pawns to be utilized, perhaps to be celebrated when circumstances were auspicious, and ultimately, as we have seen in the aftermath, to be ignored and denied when their presence was less convenient or became a liability. >Enough preaching. This is topic that I get very emotional over and I >sometimes can't help . . . Neither can I. I don't think we'd be human if we could. :) - -- Lori ************* War What is it good for? Absolutely nuthin' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:45:21 GMT From: Sally Subject: Re: OT: New thread (and a bit risque at that) bbwminors wrote: > > What is/are your favorite song/songs to play when you're ... well ... alone > with the guy/gal of your dreams if you know what I mean??? > "Crush" and *incidentally* "Crash" ~Dave Matthews Band I'm a sucker for a good bass line..... *sally* Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2000 21:00:27 GMT From: saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83) Subject: Re: Nickelodeon Shows > >miyax said that I said: > >>> Oh goody. Now I don't have to look around any further wondering whom to >>blame. >>> ;) >> >>;_; ::stands shamefully in the corner:: > > >aww, you can come out. 'sokay. Besides, ~jen stepped up to share the >blame, >and I thoroughly believe she's at least half at fault, because she's a >devilish >sort. :P I'll be part of the blame too...I've posted more on this thread then ever before, and probably more then any other one person! So yes, I'll take part of the blame that this thread has been perpetuated :-) - -Saph *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* "I have just drawn my weapon and killed a Coke machine, sir." -Claudell Weems "The Tommyknockers" Here comes the plug! http://www.geocities.com/saphiracat *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2000 21:07:09 GMT From: saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83) Subject: Re: letter people >i remember: >miss a (ah-choo) >miss e (eh-eh-exercise) >mr. g (gum) >mr. m (moustache?) >mr. s (sssssssss) > I remember those! Yeah, all the vowels were females, and my class had to dress up as a letter, and I went as Mr. G! My mom glued gum all over this sweat suit I had. My brother was Mr. M. Hee hee, that was fun. - -Saph (Who actually had a nightmare about the letter people once, a long long time ago) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2000 21:02:20 GMT From: saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83) Subject: Re: OT: New thread (and a bit risque at that) >mmm... well, wee problem here as my, erm, "special someone" doesn't much like >Moxy Früvous. ERGH! If we agree on music to listen to (whether we're alone or >ALONE) it's usually Ani. This reminded me of something my friend Lis told me. She said that she and her brother could never agree on music. She likes top 40 stuff, Michael Jackson, etc. he likes Metalica, Foo Fighters, etc. The only music they can agree on is...Tah Dah! Moxy Früvous. I just thought that was kinda cool. - -Saph ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2000 21:19:05 GMT From: saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83) Subject: OT: Frucontent :-) >i was gonna say just the clip, but, the story'd prob'ly be good too. >just remember to post it with "OT: Frücontent". >>snicker< > >prarieFrü OK, the story of the sound clip and getting my friend Lis hooked on Fruvous. I was playing my WinAmp, and I had "forced" Lis to listen to the normal get-them-hooked songs, GE&H, KOS, etc. So, we're talking and the sound clip comes on, so we listen and Jian utters that infamous line, and Lis's eyes open wide and she says "What?!" and starts laughing. She had never heard people speak so....umm...openly on radio, not even Michal Jackson! So, after that, she complained less whenever I put Fruvous on. As I might of said before, she is now the proud owner of four albums, and has already been defrugenized (at Collingswood). Oh! Right! The sound clip! I think I might have found it on FDC, but I can't remember. If you e-mail me I'll send it to you, or if someone else knows where to find it they can post. - -Saph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:26:09 GMT From: hugrod@home.com (Hugo Rodrigues) Subject: Re: The Ballad of Marion Frvous In article <01bf68d6$1087f9a0$54c9aec7@pavilion>, "Paul Jemison" wrote: >Does anyone have a recording of this song that they would be able to email >me? I am writing an essay on Marion and my teacher says if I am using a >character ffrom a song I have to have a copy of the song with the essay. You could just get the lyrics from FDC. There you could scan show set lists to see which shows it was sung at. Then hit FHDC tape traders page (or contact your local friendly tape trader -- aren't they all?) and arrange to get your mitts on that tape. .. that'll take maybe what, 40 minutes of research? "Demanding that the CBC produce more Canadian shows then not watching them. A part of our Canadian heritage." -- "This Hour has 22 Mins," CBC-TV *MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO* Hugo Rodrigues Hugs on the Undernet / 49272270 ICQ Journalism Student http://members.home.net/hugrod/ Forever Fruvous!!! *MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:54:08 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: nickelodeon shows I have to admit, I was never a big Pete & Pete fan, sorry Bender! - ----------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:46:08 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: hanging spoons from noses All you reed instrument players, how about damp reeds from bottom lip? I do it with my clarinet reeds all the time in band. :) - ------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:57:30 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Double Dare ;) yeah, DoubleDare2000 or something? They used to have family Double Dare too. And then Mark Summers hosted...uhh...that show...what something..What Would You Do. - --------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:44:12 GMT From: LilacGirl1002@aol.com Subject: Re: You Can't Do That On Moxy Fruvous In a message dated 1/26/2000 9:30:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, katherine.kunz@yale.edu writes: << >"Where were you when you heard about the OJ Simpson Verdict?" >> *******I was in band class and one of the students who was a band kid and a cadet teacher ran in and told us he was "not guilty." I know this post is late, but uh, who cares. I don't. Ooooh.********** Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:17:14 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: more weird talents how about balancing a salt shaker on a single grain of salt? Has to be a certain shaker. This is what middle school taught me. - --------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:03:49 GMT From: mike96@bluecrow.com (Mike Yoshioka) Subject: Re: how about Chipmunk adventure? On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:34:39 GMT, Lisa Carpenter wrote: > >ever try Früvous on high speed? > For some strange reason when I burned a cd of one of the shows I went to, it burned it all at chipmunk like speed. So I have one cd of Moxy Fruvous - Chipmunk style. Mike aka Racer using a new newsreader, and not sure if I like it or not. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:50:58 GMT From: PoppRoxx14@aol.com Subject: re: more weird talents i have a ultra weird talent...i can make a super loud popping sound wiht my tounge...you know how most people can click their tounge...well take that sound and multipuly it by ten and thats my sound love and light Erica:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:46:31 GMT From: neil@nospam.flipse.com (Neil Bardhan) Subject: Re: more weird talents On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:17:14 GMT, SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: >how about balancing a salt shaker on a single grain of salt? Has to be a >certain shaker. This is what middle school taught me. Pssshawww.. Can you play the William Tell Overture on your throat, drumming it with your fingers? Or any other piece of music, for that matter? HAH! Maybe I'll make an MP3 of that. My friend Eric(a soph in HS) promises me that if he's a musician, he'll have me be a guest someday, playing my throat. Similarly, I once appeared on stage as part of an a capella quartet, doing Reel 2 Real's "I Like To Move It" (Come on, you all know it!) I was the steady beat, making the noise with my adam's aple. Neil Neil Bardhan: neil@flipse.com | PGP user http://demon.ceh.servtech.com | Scrawny Ferret "More geese than swans now live, more fools than wise."--Orlando Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:23:05 GMT From: "Christine K @*_*@" Subject: Re: OT/Not OT Tall New Buildings SaphiraCat83 wrote: > >"Photos are currently unavailable. Coming soon. " > > > >Ohhhhh dearrrrr.... > > As far as I know, it's always been like that. > I don't thnk anyone out there > has pictures of them, or has pictures but hasn't submitted them. Um, I believe they just haven't posted the pictures. :) Christine. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:00:31 GMT From: "Christine K @*_*@" Subject: Re: OT/Not OT Tall New Buildings Erin Ireland wrote: > Anyone know where I can get a copy of any Tall New Buildings cd's, > etc? I can't find any websites that have it for sale (didn't think > I'd find any, but tried anyway). > Does anyone have any recordings that they'd be willing to make > a copy of? These records/singles (vinyl) were released in 1986 - so they are long out of print. Unless you start looking in the used record stores in Toronto, you probably won't find them. That's how one Fruhead found it just recently (over the summer) and how some of us got the scan of the single. *g* Christine. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:10:47 GMT From: Brent & Marianne Miller Subject: If you ordered FruCon3 Shirts Fellow Fruheads, To those of you who have ordered FruCon3 t-shirts, but have not sent in your payment, we need to know if you still want us to hold your shirts. Please e-mail us this evening (Thursday) regarding your order. The earlier tonight the better. Keep in mind that if you're ordering a shirt, we absolutely have to have the payment by the second. Any payment after that will be returned and the shirt will go up for grabs. Since we're financing this project with our own money, we can't afford to pay for nearly half of shirts that have been ordered but not paid for. We must pay the printer Tomorrow (1/28/00) so please help us out by letting us know if you still want your shirt(s). E-mail us tonight (Thursday Jan. 27th) and let us know. After midnight, it's too late. Thanks, Brent and Mar zone5@home.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2000 23:46:35 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna) Subject: Re: OT/Not OT Tall New Buildings id love a copy of the old scary 80's pictures....if you could send them to me at shadoeme@aol.com...id really appreciate it! Solem, Genna ~~~~~~~ "don't forget the 'n' in schnitt" --Herr Krebs 1/10/00 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:53:34 GMT From: Mi in Mississauga Subject: Spare Ticket for SOLD OUT Worms Show Hey Folks! I have one spare ticket for Tomorrow night's totally sold out Arrogant Worms show...and I really really really don't want to go alone... Any Takers? Please email me at nmwallis@yesic.com Mi in Mississauga Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:49:13 GMT From: frustar Subject: O/T kinda...Tall New Buildings In a 1995 Spotlight of Moxy Früvous they show a little portion of one of the Tall New Buildings video...though I can't remember it...I will let you know when I go searching for the video tape that contains the spotlight. Also does anyone have any pictures of the band? ttyl anna By the way the is really good...I like it : ) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2000 23:42:12 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna) Subject: Re: You Can't Do That On Moxy Fruvous >>someone, somewhere, mentioned something about the linking moment of their >>generation being "Where were you when you heard about the OJ Simpson >>Verdict?" hmm, what a sad statement of my poor generation. i was in 8th (i think.) grade social studies class. well, on my way to it. it didnt suprose me, or effect me much, and i was bored with this stupid trial by then. supprisingly, my memory of challenger is much more vivid, even though i was about 4 years old. I was watching TV with my babysitter (who is now 96 years old, and still one of the coolest people i know). I asked her what the fire was, and she told me. and i said, are there people in there, and she told me that there were. i remember watching it on TV over and over all day long...the same video clip... when my mom came home, i said to her "something terrible happened" she thought something to me, or to pearl (my babysitter) but i told her about challenger. she said that she had heard. The gulf war song, wowed me the first time at the clearwater festival this passed summer. yes, even though i was still in ellimentary school when it happened, i remember it too. I went to a private jewish school, and we talked about it everyday. About what it meant, about what we though would happen, about what we thought *should* happen. I remember calling my family in isreal, to make sure they were safe (i cannot remember precicely what, but i know there was some thing that happened...major from the war...in their city.) but weather or not you understand the gulf war, that song is amazing. the song is saying that *everyone*'s wrong in every war. that there is no bad guy, no good guy. and that can apply to any war. in fact, i think they substatuted kosavo in for one of the chorus's. one of the (many) things that intrigued me about the song was Jian. You see, until i heard this song, i had only really thought about one side of the story. between my schecter (jewish day school), and american propaganda...i never thought about the other side. It was really cool knowing it was being sung by a person who lives in canada, but traces recent roots to Iran, and how he must have thought about it. I like how I agree with him, too! 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