From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #977 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, November 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 977 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [Least] Favorite Song? ["^kat^" ] Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [kevin@localhost.localdomain (That Bast] ACK! meeting people [Bridget ] Re:RANT...Post DC show (this is long, sorry) [murmbeetle@my-deja.com] Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [SugarFly26@aol.com] 3rd Row Collingswood Seat For Sale! ["Lindsay Lion" ] Re: IWHO video [murmbeetle@my-deja.com] Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [cassiel104@aol.com (Cassiel104)] Fru-Dogma ["Stephanie Hodges" ] Re: OT: GBS on Bullard tonight [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.] Re: Fru-Dogma [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)] I finally got around to telling you guys this! [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCO] Re: [Least] Favorite Song? [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: least favorite song [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)] Re: [Least] Favorite Song? [LSan497884@aol.com] Test 8125 [rirquk@usa.net] Re: "sports" ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: ? C-Album ? ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: least favorite song ["Veronika Berchtold" ] Re: least favorite song? ["Carey Farrell" ] Dumbeks (was Re: least favorite song) [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Re: Rochester Set List [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (gloria stits)] Skipping (was Re: Least favorite song) [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Re: [Least] Favorite Song? [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN [mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie)] once I was the king of spain ["pickle" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:28:22 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: [Least] Favorite Song? whoa, there. this isn't a friendly train of thought. not that we aren't all entitled to disliking certain fruvous songs--i definitely have some that i skip when i'm not in the mood to hear them. it's just an awfully self-defeating thread, and one better served via private vocal discussion rather than public textual commentary, in my opinion. [particularly on the off chance lurking band members catch these posts. not a comfortable thought, if you ask me.] i much rather hearing about favourite tunes... i've decided that i positively adore hearing the lads cover "you're going to lose that girl" live. oh, and any live songs involving a dumbek are fine by me. yes, indeedy. back in new haven in an empty suite-- ^kat^ "she knows she's losing it" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:50:33 GMT From: kevin@localhost.localdomain (That Bastard) Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN >...Some of you have to chill out. Agreed. >There's been this great mystery floating about pertaining to "Why can't we tape >the show" or "Why doesn't INSERT BAND MEMBER NAME HERE come out after the >shows" or whatever...Here's the skinny: Because they don't WANT to. To be honest, I admit, I was disappointed at the no taping restriction. However, it did inspire me to go to a couple of shows I had been planning to skip, and was quite happy that I didn't. Cheers to Fruvous for the occasional show which now exists only in that ethereal substance of memory. Even if I would love to have a live copy of Nuits & Blow. :-) Regarding the lads not always coming out after a show, to be honest, I'm shocked that *any* of them still come out. The amount of rude behavior and fishgirls seems to have risen exponentially since my first exposure to the lads at last year's singer-songwriter. >MAYBE they are getting worried about certain fans who go to three thousand >shows a year and act like Moxy Fruvous owes them something. While I have nothing against a fan who likes Fruvous enough to break the laws of time and space in order to see 3,000 shows a year, I do agree that Fruvous owes us nothing. They put on an amazing show, they're incredibly friendly, and basically, much props to them. We're all a little spoiled by their incredibly friendly behavior. Honestly, I'd just like to buy them all a beer. Unfortunately I'd guess they're too busy for that :-) >So let's quit this obnoxious behavior and just be thankful that we have the >opportunity to listen to a fantastic band put on a WONDERFUL show. I'll drink to that. (and Kevin watches himself get setup for remarks regarding his willingness to drink to anything) Thank you Fruvous for helping smiles find a way to my face, and money to find a magical path out of my bank account. Posted with an improperly configured newsreader, Kevin Way kevin.way@overtone.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:32:10 GMT From: Bridget Subject: ACK! meeting people There seems to be a bit of discussion lately about meeting "the inner circle" Fruheads. As a relatively shy person who happens to have met some wonderful people because of this newsgroup and this band, I feel somewhat qualified to give some pointers... First of all, don't think of ANYONE here as "the inner circle". They are Fruvous fans. Like you. Like me. Fruheads in my hometown: Of course, there's a pretty close-knit group of us here in the Denver area, but when there are only about a dozen Fruheads in your entire STATE, you tend to get to know each other pretty well... (o: Fruheads abroad: Last December, I decided I wanted to head to upstate New York to see a couple shows. I posted to the ng to see if anyone had crash space. I got an answer and that's how I met Dan. Then Dan introduced me to HIS friends, and of that group I'm still in close contact with a couple people. I went to Frucon2 BY MYSELF! Again I posted to the ng to see if anyone wanted to split costs of a hotel room. That's how I met Trace, Jen, Kevin and Amy. And they introduced me to a whole lot of other Fruheads (I'd name them, but it's been almost a year and I have a terrible memory...). I met Joy and Lorene at the Boulder show in June, we just started chatting after the show. And I'm not even sure how Donna and I ever started talking... but she's my best Fruhead friend. I met her officially in Ann Arbor in June when I met Joe, Vincent, Josh, Chad, Kat... etc. And, Donna and Joe have introduced me to several other people along the way. So the point is, if you want to meet people, the best place to do it is at shows, IMO. Just introduce yourself. Wear a ng pin (if they're still available). Be outgoing. If I've learned NOTHING else over the course of the past year, I've learned that Fruheads are a pretty friendly bunch. And now I'll go back to the lurking mode I've been in of late. Thankyouverymuch... (o; ===== over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "The reason he's the greatest quarterback of all time is that he's a robot. C'mon, anyone can see it!" ~Murray 10/29/99, on John Elway (o; __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:47:31 GMT From: murmbeetle@my-deja.com Subject: Re:RANT...Post DC show (this is long, sorry) In article <0.676e68de.25716d0f@aol.com>, Spin0za1@aol.com wrote: > hi. Sorry. I just have to say something. Then I'll go away. Dear Spinoza, Don't go away. One of the biggest reasons I like being a fruhead, & I don't think I'm alone in this, is that it's a group where you don't have pressure to act "normal". You don't have to be always looking around at other people to determine how to act, how to dress, what to feel at any particular moment.... it's very nice if you are someone such as a myself who goes around with the constant fear that someday everyone will find out how weird I am. I think just about all of us, if we went to a "mainstream" concert & danced the way we dance at Frushows, called out the way we do at Frushows *enjoyed* ourselves the way we do at frushows, would get many weird stares & find people politely edging away from us. If something we've done makes you feel embarrassed & beat yourself up about, well, being yourself, than we've lost sight of one of the great purposes of the fruhead community, which is a safe haven to be oneself & enjoy music in a sincere way. A sort of nature preserve for weird people. Thank you for a beautiful post. (may it not be the last...) Miriam Beetle Libicki who feels better now Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:27:04 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN fishgirls? - ---------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:28:54 -0500 From: "Lindsay Lion" Subject: 3rd Row Collingswood Seat For Sale! You heard right - 3rd Row Collingswood seat for sale. Reply to llion@biosyn-inc.com - the reply to address is incorrect on this post! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:32:53 GMT From: Spin0za1@aol.com Subject: Re: Least favorite song I saw No No Raja done live for the first time last week. I'd never given the song too much thought and even (oh shame!) skipped over it a couple of times... but the song just came alive for me at The Keswick... watching Jian on the drum, the rythm of it, the Middle Eastern feel, the passion... it just popped. I'm glad it did. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:04:51 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN That Bastard wrote: > The amount of rude behavior > and fishgirls seems to have risen exponentially since my first exposure > to the lads at last year's singer-songwriter. What are "fishgirls?" That's a new one to me! Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:16:26 GMT From: murmbeetle@my-deja.com Subject: Re: IWHO video In article <81p4o6$b1b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, FruKid wrote: > Ahh, name-spelling. There're just too many Fruheads ;p Oh I know it. There's a Maryam here now which is just kind of close for comfort..as far as my regular nickname goes there's also now a BeatleSlug... I call myself Murm & I sound like a band *member*. Don't make me have to drag out the REALLY obscure nicks I have... Rum Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 18:36:35 GMT From: cassiel104@aol.com (Cassiel104) Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN I have no CLUE what a fishgirl is...But I like the term...But, let's be fair, there should be fishboys as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:42:29 GMT From: "Stephanie Hodges" Subject: Fru-Dogma Well, after the overratedness (hey, new word) of the American Thanksgiving, my best friend, boyfriend, and I roadtripped to Charleston for the sole purpose of seeing Kevin Smith's new movie, Dogma. (btw, in all of West Virginia, only two theaters were playing the movie... is that sad or what?) We laughed our seats off throughout the movie, but I think I have to say the point which I laughed the most was when Jay introduced his two "new friends," the exiled angels Loki and Bartleby, by their temporary aliases. They decided to call themselves Larry and Barry. ^_^ Stephanie "Frunique" Hodges www.fruhead.com/users/Frunique - now better than ever "Power beyond the twilight and crimson blood that flows Buried in the stream of time is where your power grows. I pledge myself to conquer all the foes who stand Against the mighty gift bestowed in my unworthy hand." Lina Inverse's Dragon Slave, _The Slayers_ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:18:35 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: OT: GBS on Bullard tonight They're not. The nickname is from when she was in school (circa 1980's). It just stuck. :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Every time I feel the urge to | Veronica Gruneberg exercise I lie down until it | Dept. of Biology goes away." - Mark Twain | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:11:06 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna) Subject: Re: Fru-Dogma stephanie "frunique" Hodges said >I laughed the most was when Jay introduced his two "new >friends," the exiled angels Loki and Bartleby, by their temporary aliases. > >They decided to call themselves Larry and Barry. ^_^ yup! I saw that movie this weekend too. it's *great*. I recommend it highly. not only did they say Larry and Barry but the referenced the million doller man quite like the KoS intro on Live Noise. "we have the technology we can make bigger, stronger, faster..." yay! i just had to chuckle quietly to myself, because the person i was seeing it with disaproves highly of my obsession (which doesnt stop me from talking about it at ever opertujnity...but he just wouldnt apprecieate the frumoment) Solem, Genna ~~~~~~~ "Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it." /me wishes i could say this was in reference to Mike, but it's not. it's Arthur Dent commenting on the effects of the improbability drive ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:56:41 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: I finally got around to telling you guys this! There's a band that plays lots of gigs in Chicago called... Not the Beatles !!! One of these days I'm gonna have to see these jokers... Angel ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:55:26 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Re: [Least] Favorite Song? >i much rather hearing about favourite tunes... i've decided that i >positively adore hearing the lads cover "you're going to lose that girl" >live. kat- Don't forget "Please Please Me," --I'm quite a big fan of hearing that one as well! Angel ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 20:07:14 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna) Subject: Re: least favorite song I'm all for No No Raja. It's got this real sexy groove to it. ( I know, Jian says they *dont* have a groove, but, face it: Raja has a groove) Kind of like Massive Attack (or other trip hop bands) but instead of a techno groove, we're grooven to a dumbek, which is just *that* *much* *cooler*. does anyone else see that in this song? oh, miryam, to inlighten you to the beauty's of the dumbek...a dumbek is a type of handdrum. it got it's name because, depending on where you hit it, it can make two different sounds. one is a rich bass "Doom" sound that resinates a while. the other is a quicker, lighter, higher pitched "beck". it's a beautiful instrament, and great for drum circles. What's my least favorate song? well, i'm afraid to say, because songs that are my least favorate have a tendancy to snake their way up in my conscience and become my favorates. example: the song Lee. please, dont shoot me...i *strongly* disliked it. I felt as if my head was on the verge of imploding whenever i liestend to it. it seemed to drag and pull. so, when i listened to YWGTTM (which was the first album i got) i skipped it. or ignored it. then, i lent the album out to a friend in an attempt to create new fruheads. while it was out of my possession i heard a mumbling about this song called Lee and how touching it was. I didnt recognize the name (i'm horrible with names) so i looked it up on FDC to find the lyrics. I fell in love with the lyrics. i checked to see which album it was on and was shocked to find that I owned the album. when i *finally* got it back i listened to the song right away and *adored* it. i listened to it again and again and again. it's up their with my favs. so, yeah, i'll keep my mouth shut. gosh, if this is *shut* i hate to see how long "open" would be. my appologies. >Hey, it's not only dumbek fans who love Raja. I think it's a great song, and > >I never even knew that they played a dumbek, or even what the heck a dumbek >*was!* ;) > >But you're certainly entitled not to like it. Hell, if we didn't have that >right, all the folks who don't care for When She Talks would have Jiheads >dragging us through the streets by now . . . >maybe. >peace, >-mm- >who realizes that the only point of this post was to declare her love for No >No Raja ... oh, and expose her ignorance in the face of all the nameless, >faceless, "dumbek fans." uh-oh >"don't you go back to her" Solem, Genna ~~~~~~~ "Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it." /me wishes i could say this was in reference to Mike, but it's not. it's Arthur Dent commenting on the effects of the improbability drive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:55:49 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: [Least] Favorite Song? I agree that I'd much rather think of those songs which I really enjoy. In fact, there are probably some songs I like less than others, but I always listen to all the songs when I'm listening to an album. I just want to add that When She Talks is one of my favorite songs. I think that our feelings about different songs depend on our own perspectives and experiences that we've had. We bring ourselves to the songs rather than expecting them to come to us. I'm just fortunate that so many of the songs from one band are ones in which I can find myself or something that is meaningful to me personally. I can still appreciate those songs with which I don't personally identify for their variety, musicality, a particular voice or instrumental riff, etc. I also like Downsizing for some of the same reasons given above. I was downsized, so I can really identify with this song, but I can understand why those listeners who haven't had the experience or know someone who's had, might not appreciate the song. I agree with whoever suggested that we just continue to listen; a song may grow on you or come to be meaningful depending on your own experiences (though I definitely DON'T wish downsizing on ANYONE!). Just keep listening... *Lois (Fogeyfru), nice talkin' to y'all! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:12:11 GMT From: rirquk@usa.net Subject: Test 8125 Just testing this prog Http://www.NetworkofMusic.Com For the independent Rap Artist oivwfmqbkydytvssycdrdtloztvjtiddjfoyjuktjwbmmdxgi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:17:41 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: "sports" Je wrote: >I always mean to ask this, but forget when I actually sity down to read the >ng-- > >What's with the "sports" line that gets piped into Darlington Darling? And while we're at it, what does Jian mumble during the instrumental part of "Michigan Militia" (before "That's my wish again . . .") I noticed it during the 9:30 show and couldn't make out what he was saying. Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:14:10 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: ? C-Album ? Angela wrote: >Oh, and they had a 14 year old from one of the local high schools get up on >stage and play trombone with them at one point ..... hey, I had my >clarinet >in the car, I could have played ;-) Oh, wow, how envious am I of that 14-year-old? I got to play trombone with one of the (I think) Air Force bands once, but I think performing with Fruvous would be even cooler. Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:30:04 GMT From: "Veronika Berchtold" Subject: Re: least favorite song | I'm all for No No Raja. It's got this real sexy groove to it. ( I know, Jian | says they *dont* have a groove, but, face it: Raja has a groove) Kind of like | Massive Attack (or other trip hop bands) but instead of a techno groove, we're | grooven to a dumbek, which is just *that* *much* *cooler*. does anyone else see | that in this song? the first time I heard Raja I just said *wow* it had so much of a groove and an atmosphere. It got me right away. Veronika ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ maybe the only Frühead who has to take a real vacation to see her favorite band :-( ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:44:34 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: least favorite song? >I'd like to state for the record that I'm half Jihead (Ji-Murray's people >REPRESENT!), and I find WST a poor song as well. The intro sounds too >reminiscent of BNL'S "Call and Answer." That's not why I don't like WST, >but >it's part of it. I'm another Ji-Murrite, or whatever we call ourselves, and I really think WST is the only song of theirs I don't like. My brother and I were talking about it today, and we both think it's musically whiny and lyrically confusing (can anyone explain what the bridge means?). I do like the groovy George Harrison-esque guitar solo, and I have fun singing "how she's always in com-MA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAND!" It usually takes a long time for slow songs to grow on me -- stuff like Lee, Bittersweet, or Love Set Fire. I didn't like any of them at first, but I love all three now. Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:08:35 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Dumbeks (was Re: least favorite song) > but instead of a techno groove, we're grooven to a dumbek, which is just *that* > *much* *cooler*. does anyone else see that in this song? Yes, definitely. Esp. the sexy part ... which I accidentally snipped. :) Let's hear it for the groove! > oh, miryam, to inlighten you to the beauty's of the dumbek...a dumbek is a > type of handdrum. it got it's name because, depending on where you hit it, it > can make two different sounds. one is a rich bass "Doom" sound that resinates a > while. the other is a quicker, lighter, higher pitched "beck". it's a > beautiful instrament, and great for drum circles. Oh, like the "Doom" like the the beginning of Raja. I see. (I won't enlighten you with a transliteration of the exact rhythm - you know, like those da-da-da-dUM things. Oh whoops, now I've done it!) But it's Maryam. It wouldn't do to have two Miryams, now would it? :) peace, - -mm- "don't you go back to her" ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 22:20:38 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (gloria stits) Subject: Re: Rochester Set List > I think we need to not just say "guest trombonist." I think we >all need to give crazy props to my good friend Mr. Eric Heveron-Smith, aka >"Bone Boy." Now if only they had turned his mic up high enough........ yeh... reminded me of last year (?) with the girl playing violin... she was hardly audible as well. :( but the trombone sounded great in the song, from what i could hear. :) sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "normally i don't usually meet people, unless i already know them." -- 'shallow grave' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:19:54 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Skipping (was Re: Least favorite song) On the subject of skipping ... does anyone else find that oftentimes you skip a fav. song (like Raja for me) not because it's "least favorite" but because it's so good? I feel like I want to save the goodness, as if the song is potentially exhaustable, and also sometimes I just can't handle the amazing wonderfulness of it? Just a random tangent for some to ponder. signing out, peace -mm- "love, love me do!" see, I realized *I'd* skipped Raja as well. Though for a different reason... :) > I'd never given the song too much thought and even (oh shame!) skipped over it a > couple of times... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:13:44 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: [Least] Favorite Song? > I'm just fortunate that so many of the songs from one band are ones in which I can > find myself or something that is meaningful to me personally. I think this is an important point (thank you!). I've often thought about how there's never really any Früvous song that I actively dislike, just ones I don't adore/worship quite as much as others. So many times, I buy a non-Früvous album, only to find that maybe half, or more than half the songs are second-rate or "least favorites". But I can't think of a single Früvous song I really wouldn't want to hear. The percentages are just so much higher . . . peace, - -mm- delving into mathematics to prepare for schooling tomorrer :( "and to all a good night." ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 22:33:33 GMT From: mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie) Subject: Re: Fruheads unite and..Calm DOWN Fishgirls= Those "JIAN!!!!!" people. Or so I think. "By a stream of running water, I heard you laugh. I closed my eyes for an hour and a half, and tried to make you appear. I swear in the beauty of the setting sun, you were here." ~Moxy Fruvous~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:38:05 -0500 From: "pickle" Subject: once I was the king of spain now I'm the only one in this newsgroup - -- made ya look ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #977 ********************************************