From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #957 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, November 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 957 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fruvous in the Voice [tmbgirl@juno.com] Re: Fruvous in the Voice [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Dinner, Nov. 26, 1999 [hugrod@home.com (Hugo Rodrigues)] Re: Fruvous in the Voice [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Review Type Thing: Harrisburg, 11-17-99 ["Kate Leahy" ] Harrisburg thoughts... [lawrence solomon ] hello [Manager ] Highway Engineers was Re: Pittsburgh Impressions [Ben and Tara Cordes ] PITTSBURGH CHEAP A CAPPELLA!!! [Sarah E Robeson ] Re: incorrect use of the ammf gateway ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: hello all. [dalevy@aol.com (DALevy)] miscellaneous Harrisburg comments (was: re: Announcement) [srm9988n@aol.c] 9:30 arrival time (was: Re: what makes a good show? was re: on the subject of reviews [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fr] RE:A Thesis: Re what makes a good show. [Anita Szostak ] FREE XXX PASSWORDS!!!! 10139 ["Free XXX Passwords" ] Re: Brand-New Fruhead definition! ["Veronika Berchtold" 12/1-2 Fruvous ||| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:59:34 GMT From: hugrod@home.com (Hugo Rodrigues) Subject: Dinner, Nov. 26, 1999 Hello all.... I was just thinking that it would be nice to go out for dinner before the first Ottawa show next Friday. If I made reservations for around 6 p.m. we could take our time eating and then make our way to Zaph2 in time for Tory. There are a number of cool places to eat within a few blocks' walk from the venue. Email me if interested so I can get an idea for numbers. "So I'll get up and I'll take a little walk / I know where I'll go to" -- The Nields, "The Trade" *MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO* Hugo Rodrigues Hugs on the Undernet / 49272270 ICQ Journalism Student http://members.home.net/hugrod/ Forever Fruvous!!! *MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO*MOO* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:11:47 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: Fruvous in the Voice [Wait, now I'm replying to my own post. Is that a faux pas?] When I think about it, maybe Jordan was shortening the ad for obvious reasons. Hmmm... I'd still have to put my grubby little hands together for the full name, not the "when you guys get big" version - just "Moxy" (or just "Früvous", which is what *I* fear :) that was suggested on the Fox Thing. Sorry for misunderstanding myself. :) peace, - -mm- "you belong somewhere you feel free" P.S. On third thought, I could have just not sent the orginal post and then wouldn't be in "deep doodoo" [1] <<< eloquent words of Republican Bush (I think) [1] How *does* one spell this word? düdü, perhaps? > ||| 12/1-2 Fruvous ||| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:48:36 -0500 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Review Type Thing: Harrisburg, 11-17-99 *Sigh* Three months without a Fruvous show is nearly inhumane, I've decided. That's why I was so excited to pick Val up and head to Harrisburg for a show at the *lovely* Whitaker Center. The place is just gorgeous. Brand new and beautiful, complete with cool-ass light fixtures about the (two)balconies and cushy, impeccably upholstered seats. The stage was spacious and obviously designed for theater; I near drooled over the fly space and three or four scene curtains. I thought I saw more than one scrim too . . . but I digress. The openers, a trio called Maggie, Pierce, and E.J. played some great, offbeat tunes. I picked up one of their CDs, and I hope they'll get down to Baltimore eventually. I'd really like the see a longer set. E.J., I believe, said that he'd rather be a Frupie (like a groupie) than a Fruhead. I was mucho impressed afterward when Pierce introduced himself to me and pulled out his old Fruhead card to show me. Anyway, around 8:25 Val and I and a few other people claimed some empty seats at the very front of the room (they had been promised to us if they remained empty until 8:15). The lights went down and over the speakers came the rumblings of something Fruvous and a cappella. Murray, Jian, and Dave wandered on stage singing the beginning of Spidey. No Mike though. Suddenly, he appeared in the balcony, slinging webs and donning someone's Canadian flag as a skirt. "We brought you the toque, then the toke. Now we bring you the Can-apron." Spidey led into a great version of Jockey, and Jian segued into Medicine Show by noting that there were places in the U.S. (but certainly not in Canada) where you could have your body altered. After that came one of the best improvs of the night. Dave began talking about going to see the latest teen horror flick, and Jian somehow picked it apart. It got rambly, and finally Murray said "The segue lurches on." Of course, that became a song. They'd play a few bars of a smoky dirge with those lyrics, then someone would attempt the segue again . . . then back to the song. This continued for a bit, and finally they played Splatter. Mike then issued a neat, tidy segue into If Only, after which Jian abandoned his mic. "Can you hear me this way?" He had talked earlier about how the average ticket price for a Fruvous show was $15, and that for that you get a $17 show. That was something that Marcy Playground couldn't say. He wasn't sure, he said, that they were ready, though, to play a $20 show (the price of tickets for that evening's performance). So we might just get an $18 show. He suggested (in layman's terms :) that we take something home to make up the extra $2, like a piece of the upholstery, or a lighting fixture. Anyway, after If Only, Jian left the mic and assured us that we'd get a $20 show. With that, he jumped off-stage. Murray mimicked being old and weary, but then jumped off after him. He was followed by Mike. Dave started the song on-stage, but then joined the others in the stage left aisle. To be honest, this was the *best* Boss I've ever heard. The harmonies were *outstanding* . . . and the human voice is always so much better unamplified. They hopped back on-stage (with Dave and Mike displaying great dexterity, I might add) and Jian started talking about how he got another free haircut from the Elizabeth Arden Red Door Salon (or saloon as he called it in his makeover special :), and about a magazine he saw there called Style. He said that a poll of women (or at least people who would have sex with men) were asked what makes a man sexy, and that 79% of them responded that they liked slightly unshaven, rugged looking guys better. This, evidently, was why Jian hadn't shaved in a few days. This led eventually into Sad Girl. Then Mike told us all how excited they were that they got to be tour guides . . . to a little town called Flesherton, Ontario. Pisco inevitably followed :). I can't remember if it was here or not that Jian started rubbing the stubble on his face and talking about how he was going to grow a mustache to look more Persian. He then began impersonating an Iranian (I guess) trying to cross the Canadian border into America. Guard: "What is your nationality?" Brown Guy (w/ Middle Eastern accent): "Uhhh . . . Canadian? Right, Canadian." Guard: "Do you have anything to declare?" BG: "Just some explosives! I like to see your Secretary of State." Guard: "What do you want to see him for?" BG: "I just want to . . . talk with him." Eventually a few of us corrected the gender of his pronoun. "Whatever," he said. "I'm thinking about Alexander Haig and the hostage crisis!" This led Mike to comment on Madeleine Albright's raspy voice. "There's someone jonesin' for a smoke, eh?" This led to an extended Madeleine Albright jam. It was *hysterical*. o/~ She's Madeleine . . . smokin' Madeleine . . . o/~ Anyway, regardless of whether that improv was there or not, Indy was next :). This was followed by Boo Time, complete with Tobey personally delivering the guys' hats to them. Mike's Minnie notes are the following: 3 mile island Keystone stylin' Susquehanna Big pirhanna IMAX keener Jumbo screener Hip Hop Hooray M.P.E.J. And the traditional "Smokin' a little boo with the Fruvous crew . . ." Great fun :). This was followed by Half As Much (always splendid), and here is where my joy finally hit me. I discovered that I'd been smiling so much that my cheeks actually hurt. Like, bad. I turned to Val and told her so :). Okay, I'm getting tired. Here's the rest of the setlist: Horse Rush Hold Michy (*huge* crowd response for this one) Tureen Sauce Darlin' Potion (Dave messed around with the amp feedback and was generally hilarious) The encores (not noted on Mike's setlist) were Lazy Boy, Get In the Car (Dave breaks two strings and eventually gives up - a house crew member had to get him another guitar), and a lovely rendition of the Drinking Song from the balcony. Not many singing along, but Val and I certainly did. And that was that. Afterward, we hung out a bit and I got back here to the comfort of my dorm room at around 1:45. A wonderful night altogether. Can't *wait* for Philly :). ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:34:31 GMT From: Ofer Inbar Subject: incorrect use of the ammf gateway It appears that, for reasons entirely unknown to me, some people have been sending email to ammf@smoe.org and thinking that this will cause their messages to be posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. I would like to clear up any confusion there might be out there. Perhaps some of you have seen ammf@smoe.org in some header somewhere, but that is not, and never has been, the address to submit postings to the gateway. The correct address is ammf@fruvous.com. What happens if you send to ammf@smoe.org? Your message will be distributed to all of those people who subscribe to the ammf gateway mailing list. But it will *not* be posted to the newsgroup, and anyone who reads the newsgroup through any other means, be it deja, fruhead.com, or a regular newsreader, will not see your message. Of course, this means that those of you making this mistake have probably been fooled into thinking it does work, since if you are on the mailing list, you get back the posting you just sent. But only a subset of alt.music.moxy-fruvous's readers saw it. So, remember, if you want to post, mail to ammf@fruvous.com -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@polyamory.org http://www.leftbank.com/CosWeb/ -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- info@wbrs.org http://www.wbrs.org/ "We're a bunch of geeks, and so is our audience. We like that. If you're not a geek, don't come to the show." -- Mike Ford of moxy fruvous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:27:37 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Harrisburg thoughts... if you thought Pittsburgh was hard to get around... Harrisburg... it's more one-way than Charleston. And the street we came in on from the highway is one way the wrong way, and then the one that supposedly parallels it back to the highway doesn't have any signs indicating such... so I ended up in some weird part of Harrisburg (somehow I went over the highway and didn't notice) and was terribly lost... because it's 3am, I'll spare you all the gory details of the show, which was amazing... the sound system ROCKED, and the mix was incredible, especially the bass. setlist (these are not copied off an official one, I just like abbreviating :) spidey jockey medicine splatter if only boss (off mic) sad girl pisco indy boo time half horse rush hold michigan darlington lp#9 - --- lazy boy car - --- drinking (acoustic!!!) there were a couple of amazing improvs, too, that I'm sure someone else will tell you about... and hearing the Drinking Song acoustically was incredible... they all stood up in one of the balconies and played, with much audience participation. ok, so I will make a few comments... for Spiderman, they started off stage doing an a capella fanfare (that sounded familiar, but I can't identify...), and then going into Spidey, with Mike up in the balcony the entire time. As a result, Jockey had a *very* extended intro while Mike worked his way down to the stage. during Get in the Car, Dave broke two strings and Mike signaled someone to bring him the other guitar, which he switched to during Mike's solo. the opener was amazing, too... for those who were in Bowling Green, this was the band that included the guy who played with them on Jockey there... They played for close to an hour (and one of them played a dumbek for one song!), and got a tremendous response from the audience. Michigan Militia was... the best I've ever heard it. the perfect mix really helped this one, because the bass was *very* prominent, but the banjo was also coming in clearly. the atmosphere was a little strange, but certainly a nice contrast to the smoky club full of drunk hecklers... the non-Frühead part of the audience seemed to be a considerably older group than you usually see at shows, but they were appreciative... see you all in Philly. :) - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:08:21 GMT From: Manager Subject: hello UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS Obtain a prosperous future, money earning power, and the admiration of all. Diplomas from prestigious non-accredited universities based on your present knowledge and life experience. No required tests, classes, books, or interviews. 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Here in MA, there are several instances of this, the most notable being the route 128 and interstate 95 mess. - -tara, who was from pgh for a while, lost her fruvirginity there, and felt some odd need to defend it :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:15:57 GMT From: Bridget Subject: it's good to be back After having recieved virtually NO ng messages the last two weeks... well, at first it was a hassle to have my inbox flooded. So I just deleted all the messages... (o; But it is good to be back in the loop. And that is all. ===== over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "The reason he's the greatest quarterback of all time is that he's a robot. C'mon, anyone can see it!" ~Murray 10/29/99, on John Elway (o; __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:13:34 -0500 From: Sarah E Robeson Subject: PITTSBURGH CHEAP A CAPPELLA!!! 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November Noise THIS Sat, Nov. 20th at 8pm in Alumni Concert Hall in CFA at Carnegie Mellon University for only $4 for more information or directions, respond to this account ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:39:54 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: incorrect use of the ammf gateway Ofer Inbar wrote: > > It appears that, for reasons entirely unknown to me, some people have > been sending email to ammf@smoe.org and thinking that this will cause > their messages to be posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. > What happens if you send to ammf@smoe.org? Your message will be > distributed to all of those people who subscribe to the ammf gateway > mailing list. But it will *not* be posted to the newsgroup, and > anyone who reads the newsgroup through any other means, be it deja, > fruhead.com, or a regular newsreader, will not see your message. Thanks Ofer! That clears up a mystery for me. Almost every day I get messages clearly intended for AMMF which my mail filter fails to file correctly into the AMMF folder because they lack the critical ammf@fruvous.com string in the header. These messages are always addressed to "undisclosed recipients" and I am always left wondering how I got on such a secret mailing list! :) A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 1999 15:57:46 GMT From: dalevy@aol.com (DALevy) Subject: Re: hello all. hi jody, and welcome to amm-f. doug from san francisco ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 1999 16:23:51 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: miscellaneous Harrisburg comments (was: re: Announcement) Donna said: >I think they're entitled to have the opportunity to be completely relaxed >during >a show. While I know that they're used to having the tapers there... I think >it >*does* make a difference, being able to be completely "free." I really do >think >the guys think more about what comes out of their mouths because the >microphones >are there. I want pure, stream-of-consciousness Fruvous. :) Agreed, and I'd have to say that during last night's show in Harrisburg they did seem more loosey-goosey and just plain silly than I'd seen much of the summer. Maybe it was just my *not* seeing them for two months, but last night they seemed *on* -- enjoying the venue, using it to full effect, and using genuine crowd interaction more than the sometimes-rote stuff. They got to *play* with the knowledge that if something didn't work out as they hoped, it wouldn't be recorded for posterity on a couple hundred cassette tapes. I can't do anything resembling a review at the moment, because I've only had 2 hours sleep and I doubt I'm even as marginally coherent as usual, and since Lawrence took notes I'll let him do it instead. :P But let me say that "the segue lurched on" improv was a gem, most of Jian's segues went deliciously, deliriously off-topic, the banter was bright and funny and new, and Spidey from the balcony and an off-mic Drinking Song from the floating balconies were new highlights for me. And the Whitaker Center is AWESOME. Hands down, the most gorgeous venue I've seen them play, and the sound was fabulous. All it really needed was a chandelier crashing down midshow ... :) - -- Lori, blissed out. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 1999 16:36:57 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: 9:30 arrival time (was: Re: what makes a good show? was re: on the subject of reviews Queen Lisa of Darlington asked: >by the >way, when do the Fru-faithful plan on lining up outside of the 930 Club that >night? I will bring goodies and I will wear a TIARA to identify myself. Jen and I, and Lawrence, and probably some others, plan to be there seven-ish. That's assuming we can find the damn place. - -- Lori *************** Have coffee beans, will Frutrip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:11:29 -0500 From: Anita Szostak Subject: RE:A Thesis: Re what makes a good show. Donna wrote: >6.) Musicianship. Without being a "jam band" Fruvous >manages to pull out all thestops musically, over and over. >"Official Improvs" aside, they give themselves room to >express themselves musically in a whole bunch of ways during >the show.Dave has half a dozen songs where he has plenty of >room to improvise his solos and does, we've certainly seen >Mike time and time again vary his solos, or lyrics, or >both. We know that they give themselves room to scat in Boo >Time, as well as improv through Minnie. I read Donna whole thesis on what makes a good show & agreed with 99% of it. The only thing that I didn't really agree on that Moxy isn't a jam band. I'm not saying that Fruvous is a jam band like the Grateful Dead or Phish. I doubt that we will ever heard a 45 minute jam of a Fruvous song [but here's for hoping :) ] but I do think that they are a jam type of band depending on your defination of jamming. I know that traditionally jamming is improved music with the framework of a song. I feel however that the improv songs and banter is "Moxy jammming". I was at the Seaport show this summer when Mike broke a guitar string, a Dave & Murry when into the improve "The Peking of Spain". To me this was as wonderful as any great jam I've heard at a Grateful Dead concert. To me, this type of musical spontanaity is why I feel they are a jam band. In addition, it was all the similarities to "Jam bands" that got me to fall in love with Fruvous. I had practically stop going to shows in general when Jerry Garica of the Grateful Dead passed away. I felt sort of left without a band (and as much as I apprecitate the Other Ones, Phil shows and Ratdog show it not the Dead. You can't go back, only forward) But my first Fruvous show last year changed my life again like the Dead did back in '91. I felt like I was home again after such a long time. I love the frutripping, audience's energy, the fantastic Fruheads I have already met at the taping of Conan show and those still left to meet ("strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hands") the setlists, the tapers, the banter, the improv, the music and most of all the band. The first time when I started exploring the web for Fruvous info and came across the explantion of Stage Murray and Stage Dave, I knew I had a new band (reminicant of the Phil zone and Stage Jerry) To me the Fruvous community is in the spirit of what define as a jam band. Jam band are more than just music, they are both an experience and happening all rolled up into one. Funny to answer a post like this just before I'm really traveling to see shows again (I going to Philly and Boston in the same weekend with stop in NYC to see Ratdog in between them) Sorry to all if I ranted too much, but I guess this topic is near and dear to me since it gave me back part of my life. Peace, Anita "Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right" - Scarlet Begonias, The Grateful Dead "With this band I ride throught the country side…" If Only You Knew, Moxy Fruvous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:06:48 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: Re: Fruvous in the Voice >When I think about it, maybe Jordan was shortening the >ad for obvious reasons. Hmmm... I'd still have to put my >grubby little hands together for the full name, that wasn't the ad at the end of my post. It was after my "take it easy, J" action and part of my signature. That was the list of concerts i personally am attending - *my* concert calender. Last week when the ad first appeared in the village voice i typed out the whole thing and sent it to the NG, i figured i would be wasting people's time if i reposted what the ad actually said. However, if you kids would like me to re-send it (possibly scan the ad and post a link to it) just ask. So... when i typed in "fruvous" instead of "moxy fruvous" I think i did it for the same reason that we use "www.fruvous.com" rather than "www.moxyfruvous.com" We all know what i'm talking about, but it's easier than typing out the whole thing. I have "12/11 John Linnell" listed but if i was posting to the tmbg mailing list i would simply say "12/11 Linny." People would know what i'm talking about and it doesn't waste my time. Sorry for any confusion. take it easy, Special J Concert Calender: 11/18 yo la tengo, magnetic fields, joan of arc ||| 11/26 Train (?) ||| 11/29 Hippos & Aquabats ||| 12/1-2 Fruvous ||| 12/3 Fugazi :D ||| 12/6 Bif Naked ||| 12/9 Amy Rigby ||| 12/10 EFO ||| 12/11 John Linnell ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! 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Unfortunately since all my stuff is in storage in Washington, DC I have no access to the comic right now Rodney Elin 569 Beaumont Dr. Vista CA 92084 Thanks, - --Rodney Cassiel104 wrote: > No price...FREE, baby...Just send me an address where I can send it and I'll > get you one! > > Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:39:36 GMT From: "Free XXX Passwords" Subject: FREE XXX PASSWORDS!!!! 10139 http://freepasswords.arecool.net 4"Xhhfn=IU ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:44:10 GMT From: "Veronika Berchtold" Subject: Re: Brand-New Fruhead definition! > If my Deutsch serves me correctly, "fruhead" is the americanization of the > German, "freukopf" which translates "free-mind." Of course the ".com" > simply means "the communication of." Hey...>> > > I like that. I really really like that. :) > Well ma mother tounge is german and the word FRÜHEAD would be rather FRÜHKOPF and that maens early-mind. Of course that means that we are before time, we know what's good before everyone elst knows. Isn't it like that? Veronika ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #957 ********************************************