From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #949 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, November 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 949 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Review: 11-5-99, Urbana, IL Canopy Club [ACW ] Re: On the subject of reviews [Joe Navratil ] Re: Review: 11-5-99, Urbana, IL Canopy Club [Chad Maloney ] Re: Booking the Band? ["M. Timothy Swallow" ] Re: On the subject of reviews [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)] INCREASE SALES FOR THE HOLIDAYS WITH BULK E-MAIL [holidays@hkem.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:29:29 -0800 From: ACW Subject: Review: 11-5-99, Urbana, IL Canopy Club On an off night, you can see forever. I'm not one of those people who thinks Fruvous can't play a bad show, I've seen it happen a couple of times, and although I still think a bad Fruvous show is still better than a lot of other bands best show, Friday at the Canopy Club wasn't even close to what they can do. I don't necessarily fault the band for this, the crowd was unruly and quite loud. I took it upon myself to silence the screamer standing right next to me, even though I had to pull out my most significant Bitch Queen attitude to do it. This guy had interrupted two improvs with his shouting, and he was right in front of Jian, who looked tired, even in his spiffy Led Zepplin tee. That tee was the basis for a hysterical Mike-Dave bit about Zamfir's new album where he'd play the hits of Led Zepplin. The show definitely had its moments, and that was one of them. Half and Horseshoes sounded muddy. Mur and Jian had a great bit about Mur's outfit near the beginning, in which Jian declared that Mur looked smashing, which he did in black jeans, a black polyester shirt with squares and shiny new shoes. Mur said he didn't look "fetching, not like Dave; women see Dave and say 'fetch him for me.'" They settled on smashing, then Indy sounded slow, but as always, I was into the keyboards. It was nice to hear this again. They did King, which was really not very good, but this may have been one of those nights when they really *had* to do it. Green followed up, and I tell you, I wasn't expecting much, but it was terrific. At the Not the Beatles break, Jian starts, and Mur comes to stand behind him, tapping a drumstick in his hand as a threat. "Rule one of the Fight Club, always have a bass player to back you up." Then Jian points to Mike and starts with the "look what you've done to him!" Mike grabs the glitter cap, puts it on, picks up the bag and starts walking toward Dave while he mumbles parts of "Leavin' on a Jet Plane" Dave responds "I've made him sing John Denver songs?" Jian replies "You've turned him into Chantal Kreuziak (sp?)!" Then Mike charges Dave, who ducks out of the way. "I had no idea he was going to turn into a bull." The show sort of coalesced at that point. It was strange to hear My Poor Generation not at the end of a show, but the slightly slower version was really nice, one of my favorite versions yet. The other note from a Thornhill song, Dave seemed to put a little bit more force behind the guitar in IWHO, but it was definitely gone by Cincinatti. Other observations: on an off night, it might be better to pass over Get in the Car right after Green; Dave was obviously worn out. And Video Bargainville rocks in the first encore spot, two thumbs up for that setlist choice. They closed with the Drinking Song, and the sing-along was great. We linked arms and swayed back and forth and sang our hearts out. I was pretty much willing to forgive anything that had happened during the show just for those moments of togetherness. - --Amanda * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:49:53 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Pittsburgh directions and info Well, I figured I should post something about this, since Graffiti's website doesn't really help much for people coming from outside of Pittsburgh or people who don't know the city that well... first off, just a bit of info - the show *is* all ages. I confirmed this when I bought my ticket. It looks like it might be separated like the last one, only this time the opposite way - as in, you have to go upstairs to drink. This means that everyone will be able to be close if they want to. secondly, how to get there. This is Pittsburgh, so it's not the easiest thing in the world... (but I'm going to try to be fairly comprehensive so maybe it can get archived on FDC for the next time they play here :) from the North/Northwest: (New York, Ontario, northern Ohio, Michigan, since 76E takes you to 79S) you'll be coming down 79 SOUTH. Take this to 279 SOUTH and then follow signs to 376 EAST towards Monroeville. When you exit, you'll be on an access road, rather than the highway itself. Stay to the left, despite what the first sign tells you (it's backwards!) The next sign has things right, and you should continue until there's a ramp in what appears to be the middle of two roads. It's fairly confusing. There's a light, and you'll want to go straight but to the left. It's obvious when you see it. This is 376 EAST. Get far to the right immediately and take the first exit, which is Forbes Ave. Oakland (or something like that) and this puts you on Forbes Ave, which is one way. Get in the third lane over from the left and stay there. Eventually Forbes will become two-way. You're now in the far left lane, and you'll be turning left on S. Craig St, which is the first light after Forbes becomes two-way. Continue on Craig until you get to Baum (it's the one after Center, and there's a big hill on the other side of the intersection), and take a right. Now find parking, because Graffiti's is right there. from the South/West/Southwest: (Central/Southern Ohio, West Virginia, etc) you'll be coming up 79 NORTH (eventually - some of you will be taking 70 EAST to get to 79 NORTH) take it to 279 NORTH, following signs to Pittsburgh. Once you're on 279 NORTH, follow signs to 376 EAST towards Monroeville. Fortunately, the exit puts you right onto the highway instead of an access road, so all you'll need to do is get to the right. From this point, follow the same directions as above. from the East: (DC, Philly, etc) take the Turnpike to 376 WEST towards Pittsburgh. Exit at the Oakland exit (and don't ooh and ahh at the view of downtown when you come around the curve, because you'll miss the exit!), and take a right at the end of the ramp. Go straight until you come to the large one-way street, which should have a sign near it that says FORBES. Take a right onto it, and get in the third lane over from the left. Continue following the directions from above. I'm pretty sure those are the only ways to approach Pittsburgh that are (relatively) sane. If they eventually end up playing a different venue here, these directions will still mostly work, since you can get just about anywhere in Pittsburgh once you've found Forbes Ave. :) - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:09:41 +0000 From: Joe Navratil Subject: Re: On the subject of reviews Chad Maloney wrote: > > I've heard so many differing opinions on these two shows. I wonder what > people in general think about musical accuracy of a show vs the set list > for determining how much they enjoy the show. Okay, I'll bite :-) Setlist is high on my prioritized list of what-makes-a-concert-cool-for-Joe. It's right up there with "amount of banter" and "(personal amount of) amusement by the banter". One of the reasons that I love Fruvous is because I've yet to see two shows with the exact same setlist. Oh, I have no doubt they exist; but I also think it would take quite a bit of looking (or a perl script from Josh, which amounts to the same thing :-) ) to come up with 'em. And even then, I'd be willing to bet that there was some bit of banter that came up at one show that didn't come up at the other one, or whatever. I'm much more willing to be lenient with regards to musical accuracy, with a few specific counterexamples (for one, I *love* hearing GWS, but I usually kinda cringe when they bring it out after having been on stage for two hours). The energy of a show, how much the band seems into it and enjoying themselves, almost always leaves more of an impression on me than how tight the harmonies are, and I think that's mostly becuse the harmonies are pretty much *always* "tight enough". As a sort-of side note, two of my favorite individual song-performances in recent memory are the Kids Song from Denver and the My Baby Loves A Bunch Of Authors from Detroit. What do they have in common? Both times, the band managed to crack itself up to the point where they either had to stop for a second, or muddle through until they could continue (and still had problems, laughing through their singing, later on). I'd add the Bottom Line performance of Present Tense Tureen from over last New Year to that list, too. *However*, I don't think I'd care to see this kind of thing happen for every song, or even once at every show. It's so funny in part because it so rarely happens :-) Having said all that, I have to disagree with your opinion of last weekend's shows, Chad; I thought they were *much* more into the Saturday show, especially by the end of it, than they were at the Friday show (by the end of which they were abandoning intros, etc). Of course, I haven't listened to Friday's more than twice, and I've had to listen to Saturday's a handful of times. But, eh, whatever :-) Myself, I can honestly say that I would much rather see a relatively loose, musicality-wise, show where they played Misplaced and Bed & Breakfast and Love Set Fire than an extremely tight, crisp night when they sang Half As Much, Present Tense Tureen, and Psycho Killer. (Er, and note: I love all three of those songs, they were just the first three that leapt to mind when I was trying to think of songs that are pretty "standard," whatever that means, on the current tour) > [1] I am, however, chillin' out, maxin', and cruisin' ...but not Davin', eh? Er. I just realized I spent most of this post stumping for something that was neither "musical quality" nor "incredible set". Whoops. -Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:54:50 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Review: 11-5-99, Urbana, IL Canopy Club ACW wrote: > > On an off night, you can see forever. > > I'm not one of those people who thinks Fruvous can't play a bad show, > I've seen it happen a couple of times, and although I still think a bad > Fruvous show is still better than a lot of other bands best show, > Friday at the Canopy Club wasn't even close to what they can do. [Chris, this isn't a review] It is very interesting how many different opinions exist for how decent a show was. I mean I've always seen the difference between someone who has seen a bazillion shows (a category that I fall into) and someone who has seen a couple. The person who has seen a couple will pretty much always see a show as good or great. Even the worst Fruvous show that I've ever seen, I had people talking to me that absolutely loved it. Of course even the worst Fruvous show I've ever seen is better than probably half the other concerts I've seen. But then at FruCon this year, where there were 3 shows all in a row, I got to see even more variations. Some people liked Sunday best. Some people liked Saturday best. And these aren't just any Some people. Then again in Ann Arbor, some people liked the first night and others like the second night better. This crazy subjective-ism is just so... so... crazy. Then there's this whole Urbana vs Cinti thing. Everyone is raving about Cinti and many people are downing on Urbana. You know what? To me, they were both good shows for different reasons. Everyone is praising the graces of Cinti. Why? Probably the setlist. It probably doens't have much to do with the actual quality of the show as much. Maybe it does, but I'd guess not so much. Honestly, Today's the Day was pretty bad if you'd ever heard the full band arrangement that they all actually know how to play. Most of the songs that can really catch someone if they are played to their potential were kinda just there. IWHO, If Only, River Valley, Fly, Extended Saraha. They were all just ok to me. No flashy stuff to make them shine. No digging in and cutting it up. Even Hockey Night in Canada was off a bit. The show was good definitely. I mean, I'll remember it. Nuits De Reve is always gonna be good. But I didn't want to immediately jump up and down clapping after Dave's solo. It was a nice solo, but not compellingly nice. Even Gord's Gold just seemed freakishly out of place. The set list carried the show really and personally, I don't like that so much. All that criticism aside, the show was decent. Probably above average, but just slightly above average and mostly held up by the set list and not the show itself. Compare that to Urbana. I thought Urbana had energy, especially compared to St. Louis two days before. Musically, Urbana was much better. Songs sounded solid and together. Boo Time was incredible with Dave really tooling around on the keys. And this was all with a crappy crowd that was throwing them off left and right. The set list at Urbana? Not too Thornhill heavy, but solid and there. A variation of the tour set list. Mostly though, the music just sounded together. It melded together correctly and hit me all at once and not as separate instruments. That was impressive to me. It was impressive at St. Louis and it was impressive at Urbana. Cinti it seemed to go back to "normal". Overall, Urbana was a bit above average. I was darned impressed with how good some of the new stuff is sounding. It's like they're an actual band or something. Anyways, that's just my opinions and observations about things. Take them for what you will. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:28:16 -0800 From: ACW Subject: Review: 11-7-99 Mtn Stage Taping, Charleston WV Yeah, I know, Cincinatti was actually 11-6. We arrived at the Cultural Center in Charleston with scant minutes to spare before the show started. Ellen had tickets for Donna and for me; Karen and Sara got on the waiting list. I managed to get a seat in the third row, on what should have been the Dave side. The host came out, and the On The Air sign went on; we were signalled for applause at the appropriate moments. They did two takes on the intro because somebody fumbled the sponsor's name. Leo Kottke started things off, he played a delightful set. If you like the guitar, go see Leo Kottke. Period. Fruvous came out next, with a producer guiding them on as those guys on tarmacs at airports direct planes in and out of gates. The first thing that was strange was that Dave and Murray were switched. This was strange because shortly after I came back from my previous tour, I had a dream that featured a Fruvous show in which Dave and Murray were switched. The venue looked strangely like the one in Charleston, and in the dream I was seated in about the same spot. It was about that time when I decided it was a good idea that I had come. I had been hoping for either Earthquakes or Downsizing in this place. The acoustics were nice, and I felt like either one of those songs would have fit the tenor of the program. They started with Authors, then Boss, Splatter, IWHO and MPG. Quick notes: the guys sounded great in that room, I'd definitely go back to see a whole show in that venue. Not that I'm not biased, but Dave was in particularly good voice. He was mixed way up during the choruses on Splatter, definitely sounded like he was the lead vocalist. It was different. The audience really hadn't come to see Fruvous, but they were very well received, and I thought that was cool. The guys hauled their equipment off the stage, and Odetta started her set. She began by saying how impressed she was with Fruvous. She was quite impressive herself, truly a legend, she's recently released an album of blues songs written by women. Two country artists followed: Mandy Barnett sounds like a nouvelle Patsy Cline, she's got a big voice and a really good band; Don Williams is in the Country Music Hall of Fame. I wasn't really into his music, it was just too feel-good for me, but I liked his voice. I was very surprised when he broke into a song I knew about but had never heard called "Amanda, Light of my Life." It was sweet, in a similar vein as If Only; my Grandma has been telling me about that song for years. After it was over, he led the audience in a chorus, which was also sweet, but I was really glad almost nobody there knew my name. We went out into the lobby after it was all over, the other Fruheads were pretty much gone. Jian was chatting up Don William's merch gal, whom I referred to as Dawn Williams at one point. She had really big hair. After he told a family who complimented Fruvous' performance that they should come to a real show, I suggested that they make the trip to Washington for the show at the 9:30 club. Then I announced that I was going to hell for such a suggestion. I was relieved to find that Sara and Karen had managed to get seats. We were about to leave when Donna finally got me to turn around, Dave was lurking right behind me; I was completely oblivious. We talked about the size of the room, and Dave said he wished he had a skateboard. I said it was a little like playing the Kennedy Center. With hugs and "drive carefully" on both sides, we got in the car, back on the road and drove to Cleveland. Nice ending to a nice weekend. Thanks to Jordan, Shell, Tonya and John, Sheryl, Donna, Sara and Karen to making it so much fun. It was terrific to see the rest of y'all in Chambana and Cinci: including Drea, AJ, Mark, hKath, MC, Andi, Chad, Joe and Debbie, Kumar...anybody I've forgotten. It's great to be a Fruhead some times. - --Amanda * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:09:28 -0800 From: CintiBud Subject: Booking the Band? One of the songs in the great set at Bogarts was an old favorite of mine, River Valley. It got me thinking (always dangerous) about another addiction I have, Whitewater paddling, and how cool it would be to mix Fruvous and whitewater and preserving wild rivers. I had hope to talk to them after the show, but didn't get a chance. I'm a member of American Whitewater, a conservation group that is working to protect whitewater rivers in this country. To this end, they organize several river festivals a year, that include, live music. (Some of you may see where this is going :-) Anyway, recently AW has decided to try to get high quality bands to play their festivals, hoping to draw a more diverse group of people in addition to the boaters, environmentalists and concerned locals that currently make up the festivals and... I was wondering if fruvous would be interested and what would be involved in booking them. (Note - I'm not a AW officer but am willing to act as a go-between). The two big festivals are both in West Virgina. The Cheat River festival is always the first weekend in May and is near Morgantown WV (home of WVU). The Gauley River festival is the third weekend in Sept and is held in Summersville, WV - about an hour SE of Charleston. Both festivals are well established and attended - Last month's Gauley fest had over 5000 people Saturday night. *********Warning: Political Rant ************** The political and environmental components may interest the group. WV and its people have historically been exploited by outsiders; raping the land, using the people and walking away from the distruction when there wasn't anything more to take. As a result, WV has historically (and still is) one of the poorest states in the Union. However the state has increasing turned towards tourism, highlighting the fantastic natural beauty that still remains, to provide a renewable, healthy way for the local economy to grow. Commercial Whitewater rafting, among other outdoor pursuits, are big stimulants for the local economy. However, when one thinks of West Virgina, they still probably think of COAL. And recent events still show how powerful the coal industries are and how little concern they have for the local envirnoment. It was recently ruled by a federal judge, that the currently favored method of mining in the state, called Mountain Top Removal, was a glaring violation of the Clean Water Act. The process is just like it sound. The top of a mountain is stripped off, the coal removed, and the high sulfer, high acid waste is dumped into the surrounding valleys. Creeks and streams are totally buried, the ecosystem totally trashed and the water that seeps through the fill pollutes rivers miles downstream with acid wastes (if not totally black). It seemed like a no-brainer decision. The reaction was immeadiate. Instead of adopting the less destructive methods of other states, the offending mines immediatly closed and laid off their workers, using them as pawns to support their practices. Members of congress in both parties howled for an exemption to the Clean water act and at last word, have the support of our great "environmental" president. ("by the way, Bob, thanks for your vote in the impeachment trial"). This is still ongoing, but many in WV are fighting to preserve their environment, their mountains and their way of living. American Whitewater and the West Virgina Rivers Coalition are among the leaders in this fight, and the festivals are their big fund raisers. *********** End Rant******************* Anyway, I was hoping the band might see this and maybe they might want to support American Whitewater and the West Virgina Rivers Coalition. I think a large contingent of fru-heads could be counted on to appear and a lot of new folks could be turned onto Moxy. It's always a great party! Besides, I'd love to see the guys riding a raft down the Rapids! So, any ideas how to approach this? CintiBud (Bud Chavez) "Who will save the River Valley?" * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:51:06 -0500 From: "M. Timothy Swallow" Subject: Re: Booking the Band? Hey Bud! I am in the Cincinnati/Northern KY area and have experience producing concerts (one-nighters and tours) and outdoor festivals. Contact me direct at tswallow@fruhead.com and we can talk about the whitewater concept. Tim Swallow ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` CintiBud wrote in message news:0a0133f8.aa0b626f@usw-ex0101-007.remarq.com... One of the songs in the great set at Bogarts was an old favorite of mine, River Valley. It got me thinking (always dangerous) about another addiction I have, Whitewater paddling, and how cool it would be to mix Fruvous and whitewater and preserving wild rivers. I had hope to talk to them after the show, but didn't get a chance. I'm a member of American Whitewater, a conservation group that is working to protect whitewater rivers in this country. To this end, they organize several river festivals a year, that include, live music. (Some of you may see where this is going :-) Anyway, recently AW has decided to try to get high quality bands to play their festivals, hoping to draw a more diverse group of people in addition to the boaters, environmentalists and concerned locals that currently make up the festivals and... I was wondering if fruvous would be interested and what would be involved in booking them. (Note - I'm not a AW officer but am willing to act as a go-between). The two big festivals are both in West Virgina. The Cheat River festival is always the first weekend in May and is near Morgantown WV (home of WVU). The Gauley River festival is the third weekend in Sept and is held in Summersville, WV - about an hour SE of Charleston. Both festivals are well established and attended - Last month's Gauley fest had over 5000 people Saturday night. *********Warning: Political Rant ************** The political and environmental components may interest the group. WV and its people have historically been exploited by outsiders; raping the land, using the people and walking away from the distruction when there wasn't anything more to take. As a result, WV has historically (and still is) one of the poorest states in the Union. However the state has increasing turned towards tourism, highlighting the fantastic natural beauty that still remains, to provide a renewable, healthy way for the local economy to grow. Commercial Whitewater rafting, among other outdoor pursuits, are big stimulants for the local economy. However, when one thinks of West Virgina, they still probably think of COAL. And recent events still show how powerful the coal industries are and how little concern they have for the local envirnoment. It was recently ruled by a federal judge, that the currently favored method of mining in the state, called Mountain Top Removal, was a glaring violation of the Clean Water Act. The process is just like it sound. The top of a mountain is stripped off, the coal removed, and the high sulfer, high acid waste is dumped into the surrounding valleys. Creeks and streams are totally buried, the ecosystem totally trashed and the water that seeps through the fill pollutes rivers miles downstream with acid wastes (if not totally black). It seemed like a no-brainer decision. The reaction was immeadiate. Instead of adopting the less destructive methods of other states, the offending mines immediatly closed and laid off their workers, using them as pawns to support their practices. Members of congress in both parties howled for an exemption to the Clean water act and at last word, have the support of our great "environmental" president. ("by the way, Bob, thanks for your vote in the impeachment trial"). This is still ongoing, but many in WV are fighting to preserve their environment, their mountains and their way of living. American Whitewater and the West Virgina Rivers Coalition are among the leaders in this fight, and the festivals are their big fund raisers. *********** End Rant******************* Anyway, I was hoping the band might see this and maybe they might want to support American Whitewater and the West Virgina Rivers Coalition. I think a large contingent of fru-heads could be counted on to appear and a lot of new folks could be turned onto Moxy. It's always a great party! Besides, I'd love to see the guys riding a raft down the Rapids! So, any ideas how to approach this? CintiBud (Bud Chavez) "Who will save the River Valley?" * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:06:42 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: On the subject of reviews Spake ACW : >I got that part, my "it" without an antecedent referred to Chad's post, >not my review. Nobody would deny that I posted a review. Amanda, this is what you wrote (I quote from Deja): [Amanda] "Y'know, at first I felt pretty annoyed that Chad replied to my review in such a manner, saying it wasn't a review. I *really* didn't appreciate being dissed for posting a less than glowing review." To me, the two things above are complete opposites. But that may be just me. [Amanda] >The issue for me was Chad's tone, which I felt implied that since I >haven't been touring since 1996 that I would have no idea what a >*really* good show was. Could you specify where exactly Chad said or implied that? I just re-read his whole post. The only thing that can even come close to this interpretation is the beginning of it (and I quote because I happen to agree with him on this one - see below): [Chad] "It is very interesting how many different opinions exist for how decent a show was. I mean I've always seen the difference between someone who has seen a bazillion shows (a category that I fall into) and someone who has seen a couple. The person who has seen a couple will pretty much always see a show as good or great." To answer your question, Chad, my criteria for evaluating a show (on a personal basis, of course) have indeed changed (for better? worse? does it matter?) with the number of shows that I have seen. When I hadn't seen Fruvous live that many times, every trip was a thrill, if nothing else, then just for the opportunity to see them goof off, talk to them a bit, meet really cool and interesting people in the audience, catch up with friends. But the novelty does wear off, on some things. At one point (I can't really define when exactly) I began looking for those rarer morsels that they sometimes surprise us with: "Poor Napoleon" (the first couple of times they played it), "Alison," "Nuits," "Lee" etc. A show that I went to that didn't have at least one of those songs I still enjoyed myself at immensely (how could I not??), but then filed it in my mind with the... uh, "standard" shows. Not the right expression, because a Fruvous show is never "standard," but I can't think of a better one. Lately, however, as I've been seeing them rarer (that having more to do with school commitments than anything else) and also seeing other bands (notably Eddie From Ohio), I've noticed myself looking more and more for musical perfection from Fruvous. Oh, I know that a live show is a live show, and things're going to happen (and they're often so entertaining!), but every time I hear them being out of harmony with each other it just grates on me, because I do think that they can do better. Their touring schedule is a strenuous one, we all know that, and I appreciate that. However, not being able to keep myself from comparing them to other, more rehearsed, bands I see, I find it really hard to concentrate on other things when the music (I'm talking mostly about vocals here) doesn't sound right. [Amanda] >I hate the opinion that the best times are >past, and I hate to think Fruvous is past its prime. I don't think that >at all. I just re-skimmed Chad's post again, and I honestly don't know where you came up with that, Amanda. Having seen two shows *is* different (not better!) than having seen twenty, personal-evaluation-wise, but what does that have to do with Fruvous being "past its prime"? And how can you hate an opinion? By all means, disagree, but hate? Also, N.B.: what I've said above about their musical quality does not imply that I think they are past their prime. I've seen them performing after a rest and time (and energy!) for a rehearsal period, and I've seen them when they'd been on tour for a while. The sound is different, probably because when they're rested and haven't played show after show, they can afford to expend the energy to really listen to each other well and probably catch musical deviations quicker, before we can hear them. Do I still love Moxy Fruvous? Are you kidding?? :) See you in Somerville, and Amherst, and Clifton Park, and Northampton! - -v - ---------------- Vika Zafrin ---------------- vika@attglobal.net ---------------- http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron "Only in love is reality that which elsewhere is simulated: only in love [do] you find one similar to yourself, a you in another, a being that understands you and responds to you, a thought [which is] an echo of your thoughts." - Francesco De Sanctis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 01:47:02 GMT From: holidays@hkem.com Subject: INCREASE SALES FOR THE HOLIDAYS WITH BULK E-MAIL SORRY IF THIS AD HAS OFFENDED YOU IN ANYWAY. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE AD PLEASE NO FLAMES, JUST DELETE, YOU TAKE MORE TIME TO COMPLAIN THEN TO JUST DELETE. Now to explain how the whole process works. First of all, you tell us how many e-mail addresses you would like us to send your advertisement to--you may either e-mail, fax, or snail-mail a hard copy of your ad to us. 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It will all depend on your product or service. FOR ALL OTHER AMOUNTS YOU MUST CALL FOR OUR PRICING. We also offer larger list packages. You will need to call for pricing. CALL NOW 209-669-3628, WE ARE ON THE WEST COAST SO PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN CALLING. YOU MAY CALL 7 DAYS A WEEK, ANYTIME! Once you are ready to order, just e-mail or call and we will e-mail you a work order. Bulk e-mailing sells itself, so when you are ready to make a positive change in your business just let us know. Just as you responded to my e-mail ad you can have people respond to yours, so the answer to the question - "Does bulk e-mailing really work?" Yes it does. You responded to a bulk e-mail ad didn't you? :) CALL 209-669-3628 METHOD OF PAYMENT UNTIL THE HOLIDAYS ARE OVER IS, CASHIERS CHECK MONEY ORDER OR BANK WIRE. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #949 ********************************************