From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #915 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, October 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 915 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: First =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=FCvous Show?= [Melanie ] Re: IWHO video on MM+ [Josh Drury ] Re: Re; OT: Arrogant Worms [Josh Drury ] Re: under/over 21 shows [Josh Drury ] Edmonton Review #1 [Krista ] Re: [group statistics] [Josh Drury ] Re: more fruvous dreams (long) ["Jason A. Reiser" ] Re: IWHO video on MM+ [Frustar ] [Conan] Tempting fate [Joe Navratil ] Re: Dust Brothers w/ Brad Pitt! FIGHT CLUB NOW! [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Ge] short-->tall was Re: Fake ID needed (has nothing to do with this thread) [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna] Re: under/over 21 shows [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] height/shoes [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: A Last Word on Action ["Cameron Ross" ] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEZy/HYtTy1MYW50ZXJuIElJOiBUaGUgU2VxdWVsIQ==?= [jacey7] 10/30 CO SHOW UPDATE/NEWS!! [tmbgirl@juno.com] Re: First Fruvous show ["Katherine Maheux (there's an 'h' in there somewh] Help me get to Frucon! [serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman)] San Francisco show opener [Anita Szostak ] Re: Fight the powah. [ivywings@aol.com (katy)] Re: height/shoes [ivywings@aol.com (katy)] Re: short-->tall was Re: Fake ID needed (has nothing to do with this thread) [ivywings@aol.com (] Fruvous on the radio [Anita Szostak ] height/shoes [ap003f@mail1 (Adrianne)] Re: A Last Word on Action ["Katherine Maheux (there's an 'h' in there som] Re: IWHO video on MM+ ["Katherine Maheux (there's an 'h' in there somewhe] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:13:17 GMT From: Melanie Subject: Re: First =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=FCvous Show?= Brian wrote: >>I'm thinking of seeing Fruvous for the first time in Clifton Park. What should I expect?<< Brian, see them! See them! Expect a band that's totally engaged with its audience. Lots of banter among the band members. An improvised song, probably about a very strange subject (such a Grover Cleveland), frequently while an instrument string is being repaired. There may be some schtick with the audience (audience participation expected) especially on some Video Bargainville songs, especially on Video Bargainville. Expect that lots of folks will know all the words of all the songs and will sing them. Sometimes someone from the audience will have an item or call out something that the band will then take off on, but there's a fine line between what is welcome and what is unwelcome. Look for tapers--it's a fascinating sub-culture. (Said with all respect and the deepest appreciation. *smile*) You'll see Tobey staffing a table full of fun Früvous gear. Get a Frümiles card (though they expire on 12/31/99). And, as someone else said, expect the unexpected. And have fun!!! melanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:11:47 -0400 From: Amy Walker Subject: Calling all writers! I was just wondering if there was anyone out there who has experience with or has an interest in writing novels and/or screenplays? I am interested in any advice anyone might have for someone, like myself, who is interested in exploring such endeavors but has no experience in professional writing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:23:05 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: IWHO video on MM+ Frustar wrote: > I finally saw the IWHO video earlier today on MuchMoreMusic and it is > really awesome. > I just wanted to tell everyone that : ) > ttfn > anna I think I must've seen it at the same time you did. Only caught the last 2/3 of it, but it looked great. Channel surfing finally pays off! Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:04:30 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Re; OT: Arrogant Worms Veronica J Gruneberg wrote: > Got "Dirt" today!! Worht the hike through downtown Kingston in the *pouring* > rain and freezing cold to get it. > > buy it! Must be nice living in the band's hometown, so they actually stock their CD's... I asked at the local HMV and they were perplexed. But, the worst case scenario is that I'd have to wait until their concert here, and that's in less than two weeks. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:19:06 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: under/over 21 shows > Very good points you made, A.J. It's strange when you look at all sorts of policies and generalisations, how some are acceptable forms of discrimination, and some are not. Fortunately in most of the world we don't have blatant segregation or unequal rights (though there is often more subtle discrimination which acts to perpetuate some inequalities), but some distinctions are O.K. For example, insurance companies discriminate based on age, gender, and smoking habits, all of which do have a bearing on life expenctancy. However, even if they were to prove a correllation between life expectancy and, say, race, religion, or sexual orientation, to name a few examples, they wouldn't dare touch it. So why allow them to discriminate based on other things? There are laws and rights which are supposed to prevent discrimination based on a whole slew of things, but other laws and institutions can completely contradict this, yet not face any challenge at all. What's up with that? Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:31:08 GMT From: Krista Subject: Edmonton Review #1 "Wow Krista,", I said to myself this morning, a hint of pride in my voice. "You're completely caught up in all your work. Good for you!" Then I remembered. The Moxy Fruvous reviews. Oooohhh yeah! More than three weeks have gone by and I haven't posted any sort of preview, review, overview, point-of-view, etc. Not that I haven't *thought* about writing reviews. I'm just a better procrastinator than I am a writer, I guess. But the time has come. I have the afternoon off, and I understand my trigonometry homework as well as I ever am going to(which isn't saying much, admittedly). I'm going to divide my review into three "bite-size portions": Friday night, Saturday night, and the WEM in-store. -----------October 1st----------- I picked my friend Lindsey up at around 5:30, and prepared to drive from the suburbs to downtown Edmonton in blizzard like conditions. Lindsey is a big Fruvous fan but she had never seen them live before, so I knew we were going to have a terrific night. (It's so much fun bringing newbies to Moxy Fruvous concerts!). We got to the Sidetrack around 6:15, said a brief "hi" to Tobey, and found our seats. We were both *incredibly* giddy by this point, and we had a terrific couple of hours people-watcing, playing 3-D Tic Tac Toe, and eating a gigantic plate of nachos that would easily have fed a small army. Eventually some other people we knew showed up, so we sauntered over to their table for a while. The crowd was much bigger than it was the previous year (and better, as you will discover when I stop rambling and actually get to the concert). A lot of thirty-somethings and university students, and also a family with a young boy and a haughty-looking thirteen-year-old girl(thirteen year old girls are very good at looking haughty. Actually the entire family looked pretty bored; they left about 15 minutes into Moxy's set, believe it or not!) Tory Cassis came on at about 9:40. I must admit that the first night I thought he was good, but I wasn't wildly impressed. But I absolutely *loved* him when I saw him on Saturday night, so go figure. I told Tobey this and he said it was because "The first time time you see Tobey play he plants a seed in your mind, and it comes into full bloom the second time you see him." This could be. At any rate, he seemed to go over pretty well, although the audience wasn't as quiet as he would have liked while he was doing his cover of Tom Wait's "Time". Moxy Fruvous came on at around 11:15. Three words that would sum up the entire weekend: THEY WERE ON! More so than last year. If JIAN is reading this, I'd like to thank him on behalf of all the guys for the amazing amount of effort they put into all three of their shows. You looked like you were having a great time on stage, and that spirit of camaraderie trickled down to the audience. SET LIST (fairly accurate) *Half as Much *Horseshoes *YCBTC *River Valley!!!!! (This one along with Horseshoes made my night (-:). *Indy Day *Sad Girl *ILove My Boss *Boo Time *I Will Hold On *Video Bargainville *Michigan Militia *Your New Boyfriend!!!!!!! *Saucep'n *YWGTTM *My Poor Generation *Splatter Splatter *MBLABOA *Psycho Killer *Jockey Full of Bourbon (With Tory Cassis) *Substitute *The Drinking Song ------Points of Interest------ *It's nice to know who plays what on the new songs, seeing as there's no instrument listing on the new CD. *I used to be half-hearted about Indy Day but after seeing it live three days in a row it's become one of my favorite Thornhill songs. *There was great banter between all of the guys, especially Murray and Jian. They kept giving each other looks that were clearly part of an inside joke. Murray had a huge grin on his face whenever Jian started to talk. Eventually Jian commented: Jian: "Murray, don't give me that look! No really, stop looking at me like that. I can tell what you're doing-I know when you're pretending to listen to me, but really aren't." Murray, with a huge grin and a cheesy voice: "No, no, *please", Jian, continue!!" *Great "Space" jam, complete with Dave fooling around on the keyboard, and Mike making various and sundry noises. "Tang Crystals, Mike Harris, and Ralph Klein will all be appearing - in SPACE!" They also jammed for a while about the fact that everyone was eating. Murray: "We'll try to sing songs that aid digestion." *Jian asked if the Moffats were there. "They stood us up!" Murray: "Just like N'Sync last week." *It was the same night that Wayne Gretzky was in Edmonton, so there was a little bit of hockey banter. Jian: "Gretzky will be coming by later. Driving through in a van. Watch for it." *My enjoyment of I Will Hold On was greatly heightened after a very attractive guy named Nick asked me to dance! I've never danced with anyone to a Moxy Fruvous song, so that was pretty cool. :-) *The crowd was excellent; very enthusiastic. Amazingly, no one calling out for King of Spain (you'll notice it's absence from the set list!!). Of course, every Moxy Fruvous concert seems to have an obligatory drunk woman hitting on Jian, and this show was no exception. (Oh well. I suppose they're all somewhat used to it.) The show ended at about 1:30. When Lindsey and I left the storm had cleared up, and we drove back into suburbia singing along with my Moxy mixed tape. I fell asleep at around 4:00, which was a bad idea considering that I had to go to a mental health conference the next morning. Ugh. Well, that's it for now. Stay tuned for part #2... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:34:49 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: [group statistics] Katherine Bunting wrote: > - - - - > From: "A.J. LoCicero" > >African-Americans *in general* (for a variety of reasons) ARE > >responsible for for a disproportionate number of crimes in the US, > > - - - - > From: ap003f@mail1 (Adrianne) > Subject: under/over 21 shows > > off (not YOU, but the STATEMENT). African Americans are NOT responsible > for a disproportionate number of crimes in this country. Rather, they > are ARRESTED for a disproportionate number. There is a HUGE difference! > > - - - - > > THANK GOODNESS! Adrianne, thank you for asserting that promptly and strongly. > Folks, Adrianne is *right,* and I'd be happy to direct you to academic > references and research supporting that notion. You both have a valid argument, but I think A.J. argued convincingly from the other side. I'm sure it would not be difficult to show that African-Americans (and other groups, such as Canadian Aboriginals) have an abnormally high rate of arrests, and a high number of convictions when tried. Without a doubt, justice is still not as colourblind as we'd like. However, since the only statistics you can get on crime rates are things like arrests and convictions, and since these are admittedly biased, there is no way to identify the "true" crime rate of any group. As such, I doubt you can convince me that any any group is comparatively more criminal than any other, and conversely you can't really prove that there is no difference between two groups. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 1999 15:05:33 -0700 From: "Jason A. Reiser" Subject: Re: more fruvous dreams (long) In article <19991017224522.23370.00000266@ng-bh1.aol.com>, shadoeme@aol.comrad says... > >>Also, Jian was not Jian, He was Jason Reiser (I think that's his name, from >>the >>>show "Mad About You") but we called him Jian. >> >>ROTFL!!!!! >> >>Oh, dear. More air, I need more.. oxy... gen. >> >>It's *Paul* Reiser, darling. But the reason it was so funny is that a >>Jason Reiser, of course, does exist, right here in our midst. >>*wavetoJason* Hi there, taper boy! > >Genna hits her head for a big ol' OOPS! i knew it didnt sound right (that's >why I explained who I meant) but that's the only first name I could associate >with Reiser. As it should be! ;) >i gotta stop reading this NG so much, it's messing with vital >brain connections (not that knowing the stars of bad sitcoms is particularly >vital) >sorry again, Jason, and Sorry Paul (just in case he is a closet AMM-Fer...you >never know) No problem. All is forgiven. I've been mistaken for worse people in others' dreams before. - - Jason jreiser@ecoutez.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:21:53 GMT From: Frustar Subject: Re: IWHO video on MM+ Josh Drury wrote: > Frustar wrote: > > > I finally saw the IWHO video earlier today on MuchMoreMusic and it is > > really awesome. > > I just wanted to tell everyone that : ) > > ttfn > > anna > > I think I must've seen it at the same time you did. Only caught the > last 2/3 of it, but it looked great. Channel surfing finally pays off! > > Josh Drury > Winnipeg It's true that channel surfing does payoff, only if you see what you want to see. I hope to see the IWHO video again. ttfn anna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:20:36 -0400 From: Joe Navratil Subject: [Conan] Tempting fate Hey all, just wanted to let everyone know -- I just borrowed a second stereo VCR and cleaned it up, so I can make copies of the Conan appearance for people as well. I'll be happy to do as many b&ps as I can, but I can't trade right now -- meaning, if you've got nothing to trade, that's absolutely no problem :-) Email me at joe@fruhead.com or the address above if you're interested. Hopefully, between the offers posted last week and this one, everyone who wants a copy will be able to get one :-) -Joe ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 01:06:47 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna) Subject: Re: Dust Brothers w/ Brad Pitt! FIGHT CLUB NOW! mikey wrote >Excuse my ignorance, but who made this set of rules exactly and to >what end? I think it was spam mikey. delete is your friend solem, Genna ^^^^^^^^^ We love trees we love the snow the friends we have the world we share, and you find magic from your god and we find magic everywhere. ~Dar Williams, "The Christians and the Pagans" ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 00:52:09 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna) Subject: short-->tall was Re: Fake ID needed (has nothing to do with this thread) the beloved Cheesemonkey wrote- > Has anyone else noticed the short girls w/ tall guys >> correlation? mmm-hmm.... I'm 5' tall. I went out for over a year with a boy who was 6'1'' ...a full foot and a half taller than me. More recently i was sought after by a guy who was 6'7''...geeze...I was practically eye level with his navel! but, really, there is no winning...this passed summer I was seeing a guy who was about 5'2'', and my friends would tell me that we looked like gnomes. It's a no win situation, but at least i dont have to worry about dancing with someone who is shorter than me!!! solem, Genna ^^^^^^^^^ We love trees we love the snow the friends we have the world we share, and you find magic from your god and we find magic everywhere. ~Dar Williams, "The Christians and the Pagans" ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 01:59:16 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: under/over 21 shows >>Long Haired Persians etc<< ok, is anyone else picturing a very Fifi-in-the-Hamptoms breed of cat? ~jen "Why, Peaches, you absolutely *must* get yourself a long-haired Persian... I'll have Olaf the garden boy find one with *superb* lineage..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 01:49:47 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: height/shoes >>She's about 6' even, yet she insists on wearing shoes with heels that make her even taller, on a daily basis.<< you see, I've never understood this argument. She wears them because she likes them. She wears them because they're cute, stylish, comfortable, insert other appropriate adjective here. Poepple shouldn't let their height dictate their personal style... I'm "only" 5'8, and I wear some variety of "high" shoe to work just about every day, yet I still have a freind who tells me I should wear flatter shoes. (Well, not that bluntly, but its implied). Why-- so it'd make *her* feel taller? I like being able to see over the file cabinets, dammit. ;-) ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:33:03 GMT From: "Cameron Ross" Subject: Re: A Last Word on Action > For the times they are a-changin'. > > --Bob Dylan Whoah..... much of that song can be sung to the tune of "Carrot Juice is Murder" - Life101 - "Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding" -They Might Be Giants -=( http://www.mental.nu/~life101 | ICQ#: 39307347 )=- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 02:18:20 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEZy/HYtTy1MYW50ZXJuIElJOiBUaGUgU2VxdWVsIQ==?= Paul directed us to: http://users.ntplx.net/~jkpolk oh my goodness... those are pumpkins??? Truly amazing. And I was all impressed wirth the fact I gave mine a mustache last year... ;-) ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:25:12 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: 10/30 CO SHOW UPDATE/NEWS!! AH good news kiddies... the 10/30 show in denver, CO @ bluebird is now all ages. have a blast and think of poor ol' me fah fah away from home :( "take it easy, JOrdaN" http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3404/frustuff.html ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:15:14 GMT From: "Katherine Maheux (there's an 'h' in there somewhere...)" Subject: Re: First Fruvous show Brian wrote: > > I'm thinking of seeing Fruvous for the first time in Clifton Park. What > should I expect? Expect a rollicking rollercoaster of unexpectedness, Brian :) I really hope you have a great time! hKath, who may or may not be at that show, depending on who feels like being surprised or not ;) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 02:16:13 GMT From: serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman) Subject: Help me get to Frucon! Hey all! My mom is leaning precariously close to not letting me go to Frucon. Why? She doesn't know "what I'll be getting into." What I beg you all (who have been before) to do, is to email me testimonials of your experiences at the last two Frucons. (Not just the Con itself, but the whole weekend!) Please try and keep them clean, so no drugged-out hotel room stories, or puking on Tobey's shoes stories. Those are the sorts of things that would make my mom *not* let me go. So help a fellow fruhead who will be paying her own way, dammit! to go to Frucon 3. Thanks all in advance! - -J writing a song called the Ballad of Jill V. Fruhead Member of the Jian and Murray fan clubs Owner of all the MF albums and all of Ani DiFranco's "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter Too short to play herself in a movie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:37:19 -0400 From: Anita Szostak Subject: San Francisco show opener Can anyone tell me more about Bonnie Raitt joining with the opening band before Fruvous hit the stage? My sister who goes to UC Berkley was there and told me about Bonnie Raitt being there. I'd love to hear what other people who were at the show thought and what songs Bonnie Raitt played on since my sister couldn't tell me. All she told me was that Bonnie Raitt is a fan of Fruvous and that it had been rumored before the show that she would be there. I love my sister but I love to know more that just that. Thanks. Peace, Anita "Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right" - The Grateful Dead ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 02:46:34 GMT From: ivywings@aol.com (katy) Subject: Re: Fight the powah. >What I'm trying to say is that it's inexcuseable to throw judgment around >like that when you're not willing to dig any deeper to find the truth of >a situation. by responding to this, i'm being just as hypocritical that you are... but you (and i) are both certainly judging, you, lawrence and the thread, and me, well, you. it's hard to end a thread this way. katy - ----------- "what should katy bring to the picnic?" "why, the incendiary comments!" ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 02:50:39 GMT From: ivywings@aol.com (katy) Subject: Re: height/shoes >She wears them because they're cute, stylish, comfortable, insert other >appropriate adjective here. > sure, a 6' girl likes heels. sure theyr'e cute sure they're stylish good for her for having the confidence for wearing them. but *comfortable* i'm short, and i wear them cause they make me tall and they make my legs look good, but *comfortable*... maybe i should just stop shopping at payless katy - ----------- "what should katy bring to the picnic?" "why, the incendiary comments!" ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 02:41:54 GMT From: ivywings@aol.com (katy) Subject: Re: short-->tall was Re: Fake ID needed (has nothing to do with this thread) >> Has anyone else noticed the short girls w/ tall guys >>> correlation? > >mmm-hmm.... >I'm 5' tall. I went out for over a year with a boy who was 6'1'' ...a full >foot and a half taller than me. wait... i'm missing the extra half foot... (which is why i'm in remedial math, i guess) ;) i thought i'd win, but the 5' and 6'7 beats my 5'3 to a 6'6... but i found it amusing... especially when his equally tall friend and him talked over my head, but i digress... katy - ----------- "what should katy bring to the picnic?" "why, the incendiary comments!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:31:29 -0400 From: Anita Szostak Subject: Fruvous on the radio ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 1999 03:24:37 GMT From: ap003f@mail1 (Adrianne) Subject: height/shoes I am 6'1, and wear 2-3 inch heels on everything. I think they are comfortable, probably because I have worn them for so long that flats throw me off balance :) So many people ask me "oh, why do you tall people insist on wearing heels?" I say "because I feel like it. Why, does it bother you?" I think if we have the confidence to wear them, excellent. No more slouching to hide the height!!! It is great to see over filing cabinets! Adrianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:17:45 GMT From: "Katherine Maheux (there's an 'h' in there somewhere...)" Subject: Re: A Last Word on Action Cameron Ross wrote: > > > > For the times they are a-changin'. > > > > --Bob Dylan > > Whoah..... much of that song can be sung to the tune of "Carrot Juice is > Murder" And what's even more fun: Try singing "Early Morning Rain" to the tune of Jim's Big Ego's "She's Dead". It's kind of fun. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:12:08 GMT From: "Katherine Maheux (there's an 'h' in there somewhere...)" Subject: Re: IWHO video on MM+ Frustar wrote: > It's true that channel surfing does payoff, only if you see what you want > to see. > I hope to see the IWHO video again. > ttfn > anna I wouldn't strike that out as a possibility! Fiona has managed to capture it on tape twice, and just tonight, as I was doing the laundry, it popped up on MM+ (prime time! - I got to see my ass on prime time!). So definitely keep channel seurfing. Actually, no. Tune your TV to MMM and then throw out your remote controls. Kath, who also managed to catch the last ten seconds of Tory Cassis' new video, At Sunrise, on Sunday morning. Who watches too much MMM? ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #915 ********************************************