From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #913 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, October 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 913 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Frumiles card/Fruhead card question [Jun Nogami ] Re: Troubador show ["Katherine Maheux (there's an 'h' in there somewhere.] Pathetic little rant ["Gella R. Solomon" ] Re: Folk Music in Rochester ["Kris DeHond" ] Re: [OT: Crime statistics] (LONG, sorry!) [Katherine Bunting Subject: Re: Frumiles card/Fruhead card question "Christine K @*_*@" wrote: > Since we're speaking of the FruMiles Card - I need to > go back in time a little (and no, not back to the 80s *g*) > and wanted to ask about the FruHead card. Was there anyone > who didn't receive their prizes for it? (not the songs > or the dates, but the smaller ones, like the fruhead > t-shirt or the videos). I got my 6th stamp on NYE 1997 > and was put on a list to receive the shirt but never got > it. :( Are they still available? Is it > too late to follow up on this? I was trying to follow up on > this last year - but then it kinda got away from me. :\ > I was in the same situation, and after two or three e-mail messages to Jude, spaced out over about a year and a half, I did get a Fruhead shirt! This was about a month ago. So I'd send her an e-mail and prepare to be patient. I don't think that it is the original Fruhead T-shirt: it is white with a small blue budgiedog on the front. Perhaps it is the one that people got for the Frumiles card. Good luck, Jun Nogami ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:11:25 GMT From: "Katherine Maheux (there's an 'h' in there somewhere...)" Subject: Re: Troubador show BBWMinors wrote: > Also, a FruMiles card question ... I couldn't find my card when I was packing > though I know it's around my house and I will find it befor the 930 show in DC > ... do you think I can get a new one with one stamp just for Troubador and then > take my other card which will have five stamps after 930 Club and put them > together for one prize if I explain sitch to Tobey??? Oh, I'm sure you'll find our lovely Tobey more than accomodating! Just waltz on over to him after the show, and (if you don't mind signing your name in blood and all that bureaucratic stuff he has to do) he'll set you right up! Or, if you're not surgically inclined, you can always just save your ticket stub or have a pic of you taken which is obviously at the Troubadour, and show it to Tobey at the 930 club for your Troubadour stamp. This happens to ppl I know a lot for some reason. Newsgroup? What newsgroup? Kath - -- "TorCon!" "Cassis-o-rama." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:29:19 -0400 From: "Gella R. Solomon" Subject: Pathetic little rant There's something I've wanted to tell the guys for quite a while, but didn't on the few occasions I spoke with them and probably never will. Just the fact that very often I think Fruvous and their music keep me breathing. You know, things get bad and I put on Moxy and suddenly I stop hyperventilating and feel like there's something to live for. You see my problem... it's a pathetic gushy rant and as much as I want the guys to know how much they mean to me... well, it's sort of a smile nod and back away slowly sort of thing. It's crazies who say those sorts of things to the members of their favorite bands and authors of their favorite books etc. I don't want to seem like one of those. Well, that's my tale of woe. I'm done. Gella, Brooklyn Juggler. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:19:47 -0400 From: "Kris DeHond" Subject: Re: Folk Music in Rochester > Susan Werner 8pm Nov 20 $12 > Vance Gilbert 8pm Jan 15 > > um, yeah. only two, but i figured that some people out in frü-land might want the info. Don't forget about Fred Eaglesmith on Feb 5! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:14:31 GMT From: Katherine Bunting Subject: Re: [OT: Crime statistics] (LONG, sorry!) _ _ _ _ _ _ From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: OT: Crime Statistics (was Re: under/over 21 shows) > difference, however I don't think I'm wrong about my statistic. >However it is nevertheless not untrue to say that African Americans (as > group, not as individuals) commit a disproportionate number of >however in 1996 38.9% of people incarcerated having been CONVICTED of >crimes were African American. Now I will grant you that some people are >Given those facts I feel pretty safe in asserting the correctness of my >I know a lot of people throw these facts around carelessly and create A.J., With all due respect, it seems that you're missing your own point. I realize the main idea is that it's dangerous to make over-generalizations about any particular group. I'd just ask, respectfully, that you recognize that you're *still doing it.* I've been teaching CCJS 600 (Introduction to Criminal Justice) at U. of Maryland for over a year. One of my lectures is how the system works, and the misperceptions about it. Conviction happens *after* arrest. While 10% of the population of this country may be African-American, and almost 40% of the incarceration population is, this only means that that group is over-respresented in the prison population. Because African-Americans are *already* over-respresented among arrestees, it can only logically follow that more of them are brought to trial, and more are convicted. Your logic jumps ahead of itself. You also need to factor in a host of other *major* influences. Of *what* are those people convicted? Consider recent legislation concerning drug offenders; a white middle-class male is statistically less likely than a black, lower-income male to use crack cocaine. The sentence for use, sales, and distribution for crack cocaine is almost six times the length for powder cocaine. If, statistically, more African-Americans are found than caucasians to use crack as a form of cocaine, and the sentences are harsher, of course, there are more of that group in prison. Consider, also, one of the fundamental problems with our system: while we swear, up and down, that the adversarial process works (the system method in this country), bear in mind that, should you be arrested for any offense, you will get the best defense you can *afford.* While an attorney may be provided for you if you cannot provide one for yourself, that attorney will likely to be over-burdened, underpaid, and unable to commit the same amount of time to your case that a private, paid attorney could. Does your "disproportionate" quantity of offenders have the available resources other offenders do to defend themselves? No. In fact, NO WAY. If, for instance, the amount of crime committed in the U.S. is proportionate between ethnic groups, if one group virtually-categorically (consider a glaring exception: O.J. Simpson) can't afford a decent defense, or is policed differently from other groups (heard of 'racial profiling?'), *of course* they're arrested an convicted disproportionately. But that doesn't mean they *offend* disproportionately. *All* statistics have to be taken in context, *and* with a grain of salt. You have to look at all aspects of the process. A whole host of other constructs affect each number, and you can't accurately assess them in isolation from each other. I'd refer you to: Author: Feld, Barry C. Title: Bad kids : race and the transformation of the juvenile court Imprint: New York : Oxford University Press, 1999. Author: Mauer, Marc. Title: Race to incarcerate / Marc Mauer, the Sentencing Project. Imprint: New York : New Press : Distributed by W.W. Norton & Co., c1999. Title: Images of color, images of crime : readings / [edited by] Coramae Richey Mann and Marjorie S. Zatz. Imprint: Los Angeles, Calif. : Roxbury Pub. Co., c1998. Author: Russell, Katheryn K., 1961- Title: The color of crime : racial hoaxes, white fear, Black protectionism, police harassment, and other macroaggressions Imprint: New York : New York University Press, c1998. ** Fascinating book! Russell is a U of MD professor and a very cool person, too! Author: Donohue, John J., 1953- Title: The impact of race on policing, arrest patterns, and crime / John J. Donohue and Steven D. Levitt. Imprint: Chicago, Ill. : American Bar Foundation, [1997] * There are lots more; these are just a few... and they analyze all aspects of the issues of race and crime. respectfully, Kate ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #913 ********************************************