From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #911 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, October 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 911 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fw: my teensy eensy $0.02 ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: Bowery Ballroom [dopeytoo ] Fake *IQ* Needed [dopeytoo ] Re: under/over 21 shows [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (miss modular)] Re: under/over 21 shows [StarflashJ@aol.com] Re: allergies & santa cruz [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: under/over 21 shows ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Keswick Opener! ["KatieWow" ] Frumiles card [Doug Levy ] WCL [Lynne ] Re: Setlists ( was re: Portland Show ) [Raenfaerie@aol.com] GE&H [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)] Re: GE&H [Amanda Wilson ] Hey, Tony Rovo... [Amanda Wilson ] OT: Capitol Steps and no hair ["Gella R. Solomon" ] nevermind Re: GE&H [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)] Re: OT: Arrogant Worms [chad schrock ] IWHO video on MM+ [Frustar ] RE: Portland Show [wroth@teleport.com (Weston Roth)] Re: Keswick Opener! [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)] Re: OT: Arrogant Worms [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com] Re: OT: Arrogant Worms [chad schrock ] An amazing Dave Moment [FruCake1@aol.com] under/over 21 shows [ap003f@mail1 (Adrianne)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:08:57 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: Fw: my teensy eensy $0.02 Kathleen left us with: >"I think adults are just children who owe money." - Peter's Friends Yay Peter's Friends! That movie is so great. I've read a lot of reviews that criticize it for ripping off The Big Chill, but I really didn't think The Big Chill was half as good. OK, everyone go see Peter's Friends! Any movie with Kenneth Branagh, Emma Thompson, Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie, and Tony Slattery can't be bad. Going on about nothing, Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:52:50 -0400 From: dopeytoo Subject: Re: Bowery Ballroom Jacey7 wrote: > (stuff about the irving plaza show) here's another one.... my friend went to that show to see the violent femmes and i went to a cocktail party... i was supposed to meet her afterward and drive home, but i got a little tipsy so we sat around for a couple of hours and she talked and talked about the great opening band that neither of us had heard before.... and the rest is history.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:02:30 -0400 From: dopeytoo Subject: Fake *IQ* Needed personally, i think age restrictions are useless... it's the lack of common sense and courtesy that worries me... ...by the way, i'm not saying some standardized intelligence quotient is the way to decide who gets into clubs and who can drive, it just fit the topic so damn well! :) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 1999 06:10:13 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (miss modular) Subject: Re: under/over 21 shows >I've been to concerts for all ages and those 21+. I liked the 21+ >ones more because the audience was more respectful. An example: I was at >an all ages Tori Amos concert and some young girls in the audience were >screaming out "We love you, Tori!" during _Winter_. Tori was appreciative, >but I would have liked to hear the song, not the girls. i can totally understand this. i don't know how exactly to phrase this post without sounding hypocritcal or something else, but i'm damn well gonna try. ... i can't *stand* ... well.... stupid people. stupid people at concerts generally do tend to, yes, be teenagers. (before i get flamed at all, let me remind anyone reading that i am 18. ) one that sticks out in my mind was the last sloan show i was at... it was at the tralf, and it was a 16+ show. there was a group of some teenage girls there.. that were just completely obnoxious. (even before the show.. just kept running up to the door and opening it... weird inconsiderate stuff like that). it was just embarrassing that i have to share an age grouping with them. .....*on* the other hand.. the older crowd isn't all angels... for example, the last barenaked ladies show i saw was ruined for me by some 21+ people. a good handful of folks getting so drunk they feel the need to physically hurt anyone between them and the stage. (and one guy who "whipped it out" to relieve himself because he was too drunk to make it to the bathroom. yes, he relived himself right there in the crowd.) i also see this at a lot of TMBG shows (and of course, the occasional fruvous one.. drunk guys, chanting for the drinking song)... rude, loud, obnoxious, ....because they're so drunk. so... really, there *is* no "better side"... but when i look at the situation.. it almost makes me laugh. it's about *music*. music and alcoholic beverages being lumped together. it's pretty stupid, when you think about it... 2 things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and alcohol determining who gets to see a show. it's pretty unfortunate. sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "we're quite snobby, in the sense that we get bored easily, and we don't like music or movies that are predictable. we like things that 'bounce' in a weird fashion." - laetitia sadier ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:47:00 GMT From: StarflashJ@aol.com Subject: Re: under/over 21 shows I don't disagree that someitmes teenagers really are a paain, and I am also 18, however they are Fruvous fans, and they aren't ALL that way. No matter what, I don't think that age should matter, i mean if it's such a big deal, flood the teenagers in one place, and put the great "21+" somewhere else. I mean seriously, I know plenty of over 21's who act worse then under 18 people!!! There aren't too many teenagers that go to Fru shows.. I only saw a group of teenagers at the Seaport Concert and that was free and outdoors.. ~*Jen*~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:24:18 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: allergies & santa cruz Spake Lynne : > "like- having potatoe Oh, that's classic. *grin* - -v - ----------- Vika Zafrin ----------- vika@attglobal.net ----------- http://www.fruhead.com/users/vika/index.html http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron "Hey, ground, I'm nobody's lunch." -Eddie From Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:46:44 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: under/over 21 shows miss modular wrote: > i can't *stand* ... well.... stupid people. stupid people at concerts > generally do tend to, yes, be teenagers. > .....*on* the other hand.. the older crowd isn't all angels... for > example, the last barenaked ladies show i saw was ruined for me by some 21+ > people. > so... really, there *is* no "better side"... but when i look at the > situation.. it almost makes me laugh. it's about *music*. music and > alcoholic beverages being lumped together. it's pretty stupid, when you think > about it... 2 things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and > alcohol determining who gets to see a show. it's pretty unfortunate. > Really excellent points! I thought I was done with this thread, but I guess not. :) It is a logical fallacy to state that because some teens are obnoxious that shows without teens are better. While it is true that more teens *in general* are obnoxious than older folks *in general*, at a given concert with specific people in attendance, you have no way of knowing that those teens are going to be any better or worse than the older folks. This is really the same thing as saying that you don't want any black people living near you because they commit more crime. It is silly. African-Americans *in general* (for a variety of reasons) ARE responsible for for a disproportionate number of crimes in the US, HOWEVER this does not change the fact that the vast majority of African-Americans are not criminals and are perfectly fine people that you wouldn't have any problem living next door to. The problem here is that any arbitrarily drawn group (be they Teens, African-Americans, Blondes, Jews, Uncircumcised Men, Long Haired Persians etc.) may have a disproportionate level of certain characteristics *as a group*. This does not mean, however, that you can (properly) make rules based on those characteristics. That would be like saying that Arabs or Irishmen must submit to extra security at airports because there are a disproportionate number of terrorist in those groups, or that Italian-Americans ought to have their phones tapped because they are so prominent in the world of organized crime. these statistics may be true, but so what? It doesn't prove a thing about any specific set of individuals. What I am saying is that any one of us may have had an experience at a show where some people were obnoxious. But I think it is very interesting that a few people (over 21) ascribe the behavior to the age (under 21) of the obnoxious people, whilst others (under 21) who had a show ruined by obnoxious older people DO NOT blame THEIR age, but rather their alcohol consumption or just their personalities. Heh. And I thought age was supposed to bring wisdom. A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:56:27 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Keswick Opener! Hey all. According to an official itinerary posted to the Sarah Slean listserv, she'll be opening for Früvous in Philly and Somerville on this coming tour :). ~~Kate - -- i can either rap or bust a move--you'll have to pick. maybe i'll just rock the mic. - --murray foster, 2.22.99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:44:24 -0400 From: Doug Levy Subject: Frumiles card Responding to the query on how to get a FruMiles card... just ask Tobey (the merch guy/road manager) at the Fruvous merch table next time you're at a show. It's that easy. Doug San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:32:24 GMT From: Lynne Subject: WCL Just listened to the first 20 mins of West Coast Live They played: MBLABOA I Will Hold ON it'll be rebroadcast later this weekend, also WCL's web page will lead you to the real audio version. Lynne, looking forward to the show tonight ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:16:43 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: Setlists ( was re: Portland Show ) bliss... It must be darn hard for him to learn the violin at the same time as he's touring. What a fabulous guy! :) peace, - -mm- "come on, mother" > I would guess that if someone saw > the exact same show as the night before, except instead of > Independence Day they played Love Set Fire with Dave on violin, that > a large percentage of us would be ecstatic about the show. > > - Chad ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 1999 20:38:52 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna) Subject: GE&H Yesterday, a friend of mine sent me an MP3 of GE&H attatched to an e-mail. Very cool. Since it doesnt *sound* live, I assume it's from the Indy Cassette. Now here's my question. Through out a large portion of the song there are what sounds like womens voices going "badada biddiyapap bahh bababa". I *really* dont think it's mike in a falsetto. But...who is it? solem, Genna ^^^^^^^^^ We love trees we love the snow the friends we have the world we share, and you find magic from your god and we find magic everywhere. ~Dar Williams, "The Christians and the Pagans" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:14:26 -0400 From: Amanda Wilson Subject: Re: GE&H Genna queried: Now here's my question. Through out a large portion of the song there are what sounds like womens voices going "badada biddiyapap bahh bababa". I *really* dont think it's mike in a falsetto. But...who is it? Celine Dion. No, seriously. The FAQ, posted here once a month, or available at http://www.fruvous.com, covers this and many other questions you may or may not have. (Honest, it's Mike's voice, not doing falsetto, but studio trickery.) - --Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:19:12 -0400 From: Amanda Wilson Subject: Hey, Tony Rovo... If you're so interested in letting Fruheads know all about what's going on at rollingstone.com, a good way would be to do a feature on a band we love: Moxy Fruvous. Just a suggestion; I promise we'd come running. Otherwise your posts are one level above the rest of the spam. - --Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:31:31 -0400 From: "Gella R. Solomon" Subject: OT: Capitol Steps and no hair >And I shaved my head yesterday morning. YOU DID WHAT??? ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 1999 21:03:50 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna) Subject: nevermind Re: GE&H >Yesterday, a friend of mine sent me an MP3 of GE&H attatched to an e-mail. >Very cool. Since it doesnt *sound* live, I assume it's from the Indy >Cassette. > Now here's my question. Through out a large portion of the song there are >what sounds like womens voices going "badada biddiyapap bahh bababa". I >*really* dont think it's mike in a falsetto. But...who is it? Nevermind..... thanks to Jill kindly nudging me toward the FAQ. I found my answer. sorry to bother you. continue about your buisness...there is nothing to see here solem, Genna ^^^^^^^^^ We love trees we love the snow the friends we have the world we share, and you find magic from your god and we find magic everywhere. ~Dar Williams, "The Christians and the Pagans" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:43:15 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: OT: Arrogant Worms Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > Phil Miles queried: > > >So, are 'The Worrms' popular over there then, because nobody over > >here has even heard od MF let alone them? :) > > Well, they're highly popular on amm-f. ;) They don't get even > as much radio exposure as Fruvous in the States, Do they get *any* radio time down here? Remember, we don't have the CBC. > though they do tour a bit. That's like saying it rains a lot in the Sahara. > What is the Worms' Canadian popularity level, o northern ones? > > -- Lori - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:16:31 GMT From: Frustar Subject: IWHO video on MM+ I finally saw the IWHO video earlier today on MuchMoreMusic and it is really awesome. I just wanted to tell everyone that : ) ttfn anna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:42:02 GMT From: wroth@teleport.com (Weston Roth) Subject: RE: Portland Show I'm real glad they came back to Portland and played at the Aladdin. I bought 'Barainville' in 1994 and waited 5 years for them to come to the Pacific NW back in June. When they played Portland in June MF featured 3 new tunes from the then forthcoming Thornhill: My Poor Generation, Splatter Splatter and When She Talks. I really like those songs. However this time around they skipped over WST; too bad. As for setlists, I would imagine they must be sick and tired of playing King of Spain (dispite its popularity). Last week's show was much different from the June show. The feature of Grandpa Fruvous was great. I was also glad they played the Green Eggs and Ham thing. - -WR In article <6F916C7B1D3BD21194FE00805FA7E47A07463660@exchange1bg2>, Kristy Thompson wrote: > >> Seriously, though, I've been reading the setlists and >> noticing that the shows >> are getting, and here's a word uncommonly associated w/ >> fruvous - routine. >> For example, the rest of this particular show was pretty >> predictable > >Well you also have to take in that this is only the second show they've >played in Portland. The first show was quite different. I'm still a frubaby >(my third show will be Saturday) and I was really happy with it. It was >quite different from the set list play in Seattle the night before... > >On another note about the show... Murray wore (and I feel a *GASP* coming on >here) a plain black T-shirt ala Jian. It was a bit disturbing for me. I'd >had reports of the polyester from the night before and was quite taken aback >and the lack of it here. He said after the show that he would not be >dictated to, even by his own shirts. Still it was weird and I'm gonna have >to get my pictures developed ASAP! > >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* >Kristy Thompson >Portland, OR >kristy@fruhead.com >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 1999 01:02:37 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Keswick Opener! Kate said: >Hey all. According to an official itinerary posted to the Sarah Slean >listserv, she'll be opening for Früvous in Philly and Somerville on this >coming tour :). Yessss! For those of you who weren't at the FruConII shows, Sarah is an incredible mood-music performer. Quite powerful, in a trancelike way. - -- Lori, grooving on this whole November thing ... ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 1999 01:10:21 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: OT: Arrogant Worms chad quibbled: >Do they get *any* radio time down here? Remember, we don't >have the CBC. Well, Trace and I have casually mentioned them to XPN, but so far no luck. I think our earlier discussion of initiating a Canadian Geek Rock Hour perhaps bears some heavier consideration. Ohhhh Kathy O, are you lurking? I think certain songs are *definitely* Kids Corner-worthy (and so, for that matter, does Andrew) ... :) >> though they do tour a bit. >That's like saying it rains a lot in the Sahara. Are you claiming I'm now the queen of *over*statement?! I consider the fact that they've done at least often 2 US tours this year to be "a bit". Like, it's more than Fruvous plays the UK, anyway. - -- Lori ***************** don't go into music you'll end up dead ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:23:16 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: OT: Arrogant Worms Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > chad quibbled: > >Do they get *any* radio time down here? Remember, we don't > >have the CBC. > Well, Trace and I have casually mentioned them to XPN, but so > far no luck. When they hire me, I'll start it up. :) > >> though they do tour a bit. > >That's like saying it rains a lot in the Sahara. > Are you claiming I'm now the queen of *over*statement?! I > consider the fact that they've done at least often 2 US > tours this year to be "a bit". Playing thre shows does not count as a tour. Besides, they haven't played here yet. > Like, it's more than Fruvous plays the UK, anyway. Don't go there, dear. - -- chad at radix dot net I am cow. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:10:17 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: An amazing Dave Moment I just wanted to publicly thank Carly Costanza for sending me the most amazing Dave Moment!! No wonder I became a "Mathesonite"!!! Lisa Bills http://www.mypoorgeneration.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 1999 03:08:46 GMT From: ap003f@mail1 (Adrianne) Subject: under/over 21 shows um, AJ, I agree with your statements about the generalities (sorry, my system won't let me cut out previous posts, so you can see exactly what I am referring to), but honey, you said something that really pisses me off (not YOU, but the STATEMENT). African Americans are NOT responsible for a disproportionate number of crimes in this country. Rather, they are ARRESTED for a disproportionate number. There is a HUGE difference! Adrianne - -- when you see the light at the end of the tunnel, beware. it could be the headlights of a train coming straight at you. .-~~-.--. : ) .~ ~ -.\ /.- ~~ . > . .' < ( .- -. ) - -.-~ - -' ~-.- -' ( : ) _ _ .-: ~--. : .--~ .-~ .-~ } ~-.-^-.-~ \_ .~ .-~ .~ \ \' \ '_ _ -~ .. // . - ~ ~-.__.-.// .-~ . - ~ }~ ~ ~-.~-. .' .-~ .-~ :/~-.~-./: /_~_ _ . - ~ ~-.~-._ ~-.< ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #911 ********************************************