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alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, October 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 906



                               Today's Subjects:
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  California Dreamline - Stanford U         [moxy@passport.ca (Moxy Fruvous)]
  homade parafrunalia                           [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)]
  Genna is "sad today"                          [shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)]
  [FAQ Discussion] Age-restricted venues    [Chad Maloney <Chad@fruvous.com>]
  Re: Fake ID needed : )                        [miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>]
  OT: Sarah Sleen                          [Amy Schrader <aditu@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Fake ID needed : )                   [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)]
  Re: Fake ID's, etc.                      [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)]
  Re: OT - our favorite strips (?)              [miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>]
  Re: Fake ID's, Club hours, etc.               [miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>]
  Re: Fake ID's, Club hours, etc.  ["Gramcracker" <gramcracker@Phreaker.net>]
  Re: Fake ID's, etc.                           [miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>]
  Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #900  [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qli]
  Re: Fw: Fake ID's, Club hours, etc.           [miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>]
  Re: One more thing about fake IDs  ["Gramcracker" <gramcracker@Phreaker.ne]
  Re: under/over 21 shows                       [miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>]
  Re: OT: drinking age  (Was Fake ID needed)  [truztno1 <tigger246@hotmail.c]
  Re: Bowery Ballroom                                     [Anvilhell@aol.com]
  Re: OT: drinking age  (Was Fake ID needed)        [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)]
  Re: Bowery Ballroom                               [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)]
  Re: 18/21+ shows                         [truztno1 <tigger246@hotmail.com>]
  OT:  Changing the Law (was Fake ID, etc.)  [Melanie <Melanie@redeemer-cinc]

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:47:53 -0500
From: moxy@passport.ca (Moxy Fruvous)
Subject: California Dreamline - Stanford U

Hello folks!

Just want to keep everybody up to date on the show @ Stanford.  It's a
free show at the Tressider Student Union.  The Coffeehouse is still under
construction, but the show is happening in the room right next door. 
Cindy Bullens is on at 8, and Fruvous is on at 9 and it's FREE!

Email or call me if you need more info!
Jude

Judith Coombe
Management Assistant, Moxy Fruvous
416-368-5599
moxy@passport.ca

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Date: 21 Oct 1999 22:49:01 GMT
From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)
Subject: homade parafrunalia

I posted about a month ago asking about band policy on homade band
paraphanalia, and there was an overwhelming "go for it!" responce.  So,
finally, I am.  A friend and I have decide we are making ourselves T-shirts. 
The question remained: What should they say?  echoing the murmers on the NG, I
mentioned the idea of 

   50% hippie
+ 50% geek
- ---------------------
 100% Frühead

my friends fell in love with it.  But, I wouldn't use it without the permission
of the person who's brainchild it was.  Who ever came up with this idea, e-mail
me, or respond here. If all is ok with this, I want to get them started this
weekend.

Thanks a bunch


solem,
Genna
^^^^^^^^^

We love trees we love the snow the friends we have the world we share,
and you find magic from your god and we find magic everywhere.
                                            ~Dar Williams, "The Christians and
the Pagans"

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Date: 21 Oct 1999 23:27:04 GMT
From: shadoeme@aol.comrad (Genna)
Subject: Genna is "sad today"

<sigh>  
ich bin sehr traurich. 
(that means, I am so sad.)
here is my tragic story of the day.
For the past few days I have been listening to Thronhill on the way to school
in my disk man.  This morning I woke up with a craving for Dar Williams.  I was
kind of in a rush, so i just grabbed her CD and stuck it in my book bag.  When
I boarded the bus, I took out Thornhill and put it in Dar's case, and put Dar's
CD in my discman...no biggie.  But, when I got to school, I wanted to show a
friend lyrics from Dar's liner, so I reached into my bag....and...<gasp> the
case was **GONE**.  that means I LOST THORNHILL!!!...now my Thornhill CD case
(which is safe on my dresser) is taunting me.  I am craving Splatter^2...and
I'm sure it will only get more severe.  <sigh>  *hopefully* I'll find it safe
on my bus tomorrow morning (though i have severe doubts).  ::sniffle::  I'm a
Sad Girl.


solem,
Genna
^^^^^^^^^

We love trees we love the snow the friends we have the world we share,
and you find magic from your god and we find magic everywhere.
                                            ~Dar Williams, "The Christians and
the Pagans"

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:36:17 -0500
From: Chad Maloney <Chad@fruvous.com>
Subject: [FAQ Discussion] Age-restricted venues

Greetings, boy did the age-restriction issue sure pop up while I was away
at training! 

It seems we are having both sides of this argument come up as usual and I
want feedback from people regarding how well the FAQ handles it. I felt that
the texts directly pertaining to age-restriction (Section 3, question 9 [1]
and Appendix A[2]) do a very good job of stating the problem, providing
information about the problem, and offering some solutions to the problem.
This is my opinion of course. I'd like to hear what you think. It seems
one person (Lawrence) doesn't agree with the statements in the FAQ about
it. To you, Lawrence, and others, I'd love to see a discussion of exactly
what text in the FAQ (in the context of the entire entries and not just
a given line) you are taking umbrage with and how you propose to fix
them to be stated better. 

If what you have to say is not relevant or not appropriate to the
entire group, please email ammf-faq@fruvous.com with you comments. 

Thanks.
		- Chad (a.m.m-f FAQ Maintainer)

[1] http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html#39
[2] http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html#aa

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:27:48 -0400
From: miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Fake ID needed : )

Uh wow.  I had no idea I had opened up such a...debate : )
I could try a chaperone, or just try walking in (since I can't drive
losing my licence isn't a big deal anyway) or I could try a fake id. 
Drinking is NOT a priority...nor even a thought, actually.
BTW that link to the FAQ was broken...is there a mirror around?
I just want to know how all my little friends get into shows...

miyax

miyax wrote:
> 
> Heard the December 1 show @ the Bowery Ballroom was 18 and over.  I'll
> send a picture if someone can get me a fake id hehe
> For discussion's sake, I'm a really short 15 year old.  So because of my
> 5'1" height I probably wouldn't get in anyhow...just an idea : )
> 
> miyax
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:59:57 -0400
From: Amy Schrader <aditu@hotmail.com>
Subject: OT: Sarah Sleen

HI everyone! Yes, i'm back! well...sorta...i can't check the NG too much but thanks to the magic of FHDC I can still keep up with you folks ^_^
Amywho...if anyone is interested, good friend of Fruvous, Sarah Sleen, 
will be playing a FREE concert here at wonderful SUNY Fredonia on November 11, 
at 8 pm. She'll be here as part of our Unicorn Folk Series 
that brings in various folk singers everyweek (last year we 
had the Nields/Dar williams, earlier this sememster we had Karen 
Savoca, and next sememster we've already booked Peter Mulvay ^_^) 
If anyone is interested in coming over for the show and wants directions 
and/or more info please e-mail me at aditu@hotmail.com  
She'll be playing 2 45min sets that nite and it promises to be an excellent show!!!
hope to see some of you soon

Amy

"Tis better to have loved and lost than to live with a Psycho for the rest of your life"

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:49:50 GMT
From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)
Subject: Re: Fake ID needed : )

Spake miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>:

>BTW that link to the FAQ was broken...is there a mirror around?

Not sure which link you were using... this one currently works:

http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html

:)

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:00:45 GMT
From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)
Subject: Re: Fake ID's, etc.

Spake "Kathleen Cain" <kathleen.cain@nwa.com>:

>To bring up a somewhat related topic, I would love to see the Frulads in an
>outdoor show.  I live in Minneapolis, so I don't get that opportunity as
>they have only played at the Fine Line for the past few years. 

<evil>

And that is *precisely* why you should make it out to the next Falcon
Ridge Folk Festival in Hillsdale, NY ( http://www.falconridgefolk.com ),
as well as all the other cool outdoor festivals and venues Fruvous plays
out on the East Coast.  That way, you and I can meet, I'll feed you
borsch (not beet soup, #@%^!!) and there will, indeed, be peace in the
land.

</evil>

:)


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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:30:59 -0400
From: miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: OT - our favorite strips (?)

Geek comics <g>
www.userfriendly.com/static and www.after-y2k.com

miyax

Bridget wrote:
> 
> I know a lot of people here read both Goats and
> Waiting For Bob... and, well, I just thought it
> was kinda cool that WFB is the strip of the week
> at goats.com.  WTG, K@ and Doug!
> 
> =====
> over 'n' out
> xoxoxo
> bridget
> 
> "Someone needs to tell Mike Ford that nachos DO NOT come in a bowl..."
> ~Amanda 9/19/99 (or somewhere thereabouts...)
> __________________________________________________
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> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:46:51 -0400
From: miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Fake ID's, Club hours, etc.

Ok!  I understand what you're saying...but why they have to play 40,000
shows in upstate NY and one in southern NY is what it really comes down
to, for me anyway.  I wouldn't be so desperate otherwise.
Your disagreement with "20 and 363 days," however, was rather poor. 
Ooh, one day. Yes, I wake up the day after my birthday and I'm so much
more mature than I was when I went to bed the night before.  Really.
Several months or a year makes sense.  Maturity comes slowly with age...
Christ almighty.  Pardon me for opening up this can of worms : )  I
usually don't get attention like this...except for trolls : )

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:46:09 -0400
From: "Gramcracker" <gramcracker@Phreaker.net>
Subject: Re: Fake ID's, Club hours, etc.

I WAS really trying to stay out of this discussion, but now I have to say
*something.*

> This is an atmosphere that anyone under 18 should not be a part of.

Arrgh.  It really, really, REALLY hurts to be lumped into the group "anyone
under 18," as if my personal maturity level doesn't matter at all, just my
birthday.  I completely understand your point about the necesity of a cutoff
line, but I have to say that it's exTREMEly frustrating to be almost 18, to
feel like a mature and responsible member of society, and to hear "Oh, you
won't be 18 until April? Too bad. Life isn't fair. Deal."

> It may seem to be unfair, but much of life can be unfair.  That doesn't
mean
> it has to be unpleasant.  There is so much to look forward to in life.
Just
> because you can't see Moxy Fruvous this year, doesn't mean that you never
> will.  Enjoy what you can while you can.

Yes, life is unfair. I'm 17 and a half. That's my problem. I should just
deal and look forward to the all ages Fruvous shows that lie in my future.
But this dismissive attitude from everyone over 18 or over 21 is hard for
those of us under 18 to deal with without getting snippy and defensive. We
describe cutoff lines as arbitrary and unfair because, to someone like me,
that's what they feel like. Imagine not being allowed into a show because
your shoe size is too small. Or because your eyes are the wrong color.
That's what it feels like. I admit there's not a better way to determine
who's responsible enough to be let into a show and who isn't, but that
doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to complain.  I understand that there
are privilages that come with age, but there's no need to rub it in. [1]

I have to add, though, that there are *legal* ways of getting around the 21+
rule. Talk to the venue, maybe something can be arranged. Hey, my dad is
going with me to the NYE show, since it's 21+. Granted, I have the coolest
dad i've ever met, but still.

smoochies,
meghan

[1] This is a general statement, not directed at anyone specific.

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mindlessly wolfed down when there's nothing else to eat
while you're watching the game. Sure, once in a while you
get a peanut butter cup or an English toffee but it's gone
too fast and the taste is fleeting. In the end, you're left with
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:24:20 -0400
From: miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Fake ID's, etc.

Ah...so I see you've been reading my posts : )

miyax


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Date: 22 Oct 1999 00:05:44 GMT
From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #900

Thanks ever so much! :) Cousin #2 this year alone... bringing the grand
total up to..... 2. <sigh> Too bad I'm 21 and 22 years older than these
kids...

Thanks for the suggestions! ;) We were actually suggesting the Gaelic form
of Michael (can't spell it, but if you ever  meet me ask em to pronounce
it). But Dave is out - that's my uncle's name! :) (the father of the baby)

On the other hand, the name Harley was jokingly passed around the room...
<me waits to see how long until someone gets it... took me about 10
seconds!>

:) Veronica the honourary aunt all over again (one more thing that comes
with age...)

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:15:33 -0400
From: miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Fake ID's, Club hours, etc.

Heh I am!!!!  That was only my 3rd or so post to this ng!

Vika Zafrin wrote:

> 
> Hope you're not scared off the newsgroup yet, Kathleen.  :)
> 
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> 
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:13:06 -0400
From: "Gramcracker" <gramcracker@Phreaker.net>
Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs

> If you feel that there is no difference between those two days, then what
is
> the difference between someone who is 20 and 364 days old vs. someone who
is
> 20 and 363 days old?  And so on.  Funny, I've just proved all ages to be
> equivalent by induction.... :)

On a more universal scale, what's the difference between someone born 10
billion and 15 years after the universe started, and someone born 10 billion
and 25 years after the universe started? It's all relative.

And in another hundred years or so, none of us will care, anyway.

smoochies,
meghan

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:22:59 -0400
From: miyax <poofter@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: under/over 21 shows

Ok, yes, I agree with you.  But where are the shows otherwise?  And come
on, how many high school kids (or under that, even) do you really get at
the average all-ages Frushow?
21 year olds are in stark contrast to screaming toddlers.  But there's
not much of a difference between me (16 in January) and you.  You were a
sophomore only 5 years ago.  You were a toddler 19 years ago.  See? 
Hypothetically, you make a good point. Logically, I don't think so.

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:10:19 -0400
From: truztno1 <tigger246@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: drinking age  (Was Fake ID needed)

"A.J. LoCicero" wrote:

> <snip>Hey you younger folks out there.  Question: if you wanted to, could
> you
> get your hands on alcoholic beverages?  Is the drinking age really what
> is stopping you from getting plastered and then going out for a
> drive?</snip>

Well, I personally hate beer (as do many I know), and most kids that I'm
personally acquainted with are responsible enough not to drink and drive.
But to answer your question, all us underagers out there, after entering
middle school, can get our hands on alcohol and tobacco quite easily.  The
most recent example that I can give is that a few months ago, after the final
performance of a show called "One Acts" at my old high school, there was a
cast party.  And, guess what?  Rumor had it that one of the student directors
(who was a junior and around 17, I think) had a whole CASE LOAD of vodka, of
all alcoholic beverages.  It was a rumor that was confirmed after the party,
too.  The parents either just weren't aware, or just didn't care.  And there
have been plenty of more recent episodes that I can't name because I haven't
been there.  But, although I lived in a pretty liberal, suburban
neighborhood, that wasn't an isolated case.  There have been plenty of
stories about kids getting into trouble (not with the law, but just doing
things they shouldn't have done) while drunk.  I also know plenty of people
who can walk into a local convenience store, and get a pack of cigarettes,
most times no questions asked.

> When are we as a nation going to understand that the adage "Do as I say,
> not as I do" will never, ever work for keeping kids out of trouble?

Agreed.  Obviously, if you tell a teen or child not to do something and don't
explain why, out of curiosity or rebellion, that's exactly what they'll do.

I know I've heard some saying just grit your teeth and wait it out about this
subject, but I will agree with others who said that if you just wait it out
and don't complain/point out why this is unfair, nothing will get changed.

I personally don't mind this whole 18/21+ issue, but I can perfectly
understand those who do.  Most true Fruvous fans (the ones that are actually
going to go through the trouble of arguing with the venue about getting in)
are more responsible than most concert-goers in general (yes, even the people
under 18).  It certainly does seem arbitrary to let some underagers in one
night, and then absolutely refuse those who come with responsible parents the
next... and it may not all be the specific venue's fault, either.  It's the
law that has to get changed.  What's wrong with going to a concert that has
been labeled 18+ when you go with parents that understand that you'll be in
an environment that isn't necessarily the most wholesome in the world?
Shouldn't it be a responsible parent's choice, and not the law's, as to what
their children can see?  Sure, R rated movies restrict underagers, but you
can still go see them with a parent.

I also agree with the people who said that  if we want to knock some sense
into our very idiotic congressmen, someone's going to have to tell him/her
what's going on; exactly the opposite of what some around here seem to have
been saying (forgive me if I'm wrong).  And just because life was that way
when some of us were underage, it doesn't mean it has to be for the rest of
us.  If that were the case, civilization would have made no progress, and
there would still be ludicrous laws regarding prohibition and women's
suffrage, etc.

Sorry, I know I'm repeating some (or a lot) of stuff, but I just had to add
to the fray with my $.05... I do believe I've been the only one (or one of
very few) under the age of 16 to reply to this thread.

~truztno1

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:42:32 GMT
From: Anvilhell@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bowery Ballroom

there's gonna be a fruvous showing in Irving Plaza again?? wow, more info on 
this please if its true! i saw a Reel Big Fish show there with Teen Heroes 
opening (2 very good ska bands) and it was great (although seats wouldve been 
appreciated at times).
btw, i was off this ng for awhile, and i recently subscibed back on. so hello 
again!
~mas

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Date: 22 Oct 1999 01:55:18 GMT
From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)
Subject: Re: OT: drinking age  (Was Fake ID needed)

>>I think) had a whole CASE LOAD of vodka<<

geez, I've seen my share of vodka, but I didn't know they even sold by the
*case*

~jen (who wonders how far we are from the legalization fo marijuana debate
hatching.. ;-)
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Date: 22 Oct 1999 01:34:59 GMT
From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)
Subject: Re: Bowery Ballroom

Anita proved that one night last November we were living parallel lives by
writing (in reference to the Irving Plaza show):

>>It was a night I'll never forget. I was supposed to met my friends who got me
intrested in seeing Moxy but they never made it since their car broke down. I
had a great time anyway since the guys were just fantastic<<

wow-- eerie. I took a train into the city, and was supposed to meet my friend
there, who would drive me home. Instead, she got into an accident, and I wound
up stranded in the city with no ride back to Jersey. Had to leave the show
about 20 minutes into the Femmes set and *just barely*--like running in the
station as they were getting ready to pull away-- made the very last train.

~jen
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"Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182
"Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover
"Measure your life in love."--Rent

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:36:27 -0400
From: truztno1 <tigger246@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 18/21+ shows

Adrianne wrote:

> <snip>Also, at some shows where the language
> does get questionable, and there are teens there, the focus can turn to
> "cool, they swore" rather than what they were speaking about.  they would
> rather get laughs about what they are saying rather than giggles at how they
> said it...<snip>
>
> again, just my opinion.

Well, I think the above was stated as a fact, and I don't know how it is up in
Rochester, but we certainly don't get any of that down in here in central
jersey.  Some will be like, "neato, they cursed," and get over it.  No biggie;
there's nothing really funny about it unless it was contained within a funny
joke.  I don't think kids over the age of 11/12 really giggle at sex terms or
curses, if they ever did at one point in their lives at all.  This coming from a
freshman in HS's POV.

Just straigtening out the facts.  And posting too much. : )

~truztno1

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:39:54 GMT
From: Melanie <Melanie@redeemer-cincy.org>
Subject: OT:  Changing the Law (was Fake ID, etc.)

Anita wrote:

>>what are we going to do as newsgroup to organize some type of
 petition or letter to Congress. The more people involved the more
 impact it will have in Washington. Talking about it is fine, but are 
we going act to make a difference.<<

It would be interesting to check the statistics (the Centers for 
Disease Control probably has them) on drunk driving fatalities for
 underaged drinkers BEFORE the national switch to a 21 drinking 
age vs. after.  Has there been much impact?  

And it would be interesting to see the statistics of alcohol poisoning
 and deaths due to alcohol overdose in underaged drinkers both 
before and after the change.  

As someone who "came of age" when it was 18, and who has
 children for whom the drinking age is 21, I can argue both sides. 
 But I think it might be a bit safer for young people to experiment
 with alcohol (they will anyway) while they are still in their parents' 
care rather than when they go off to college.  And they'd get it out
 of their systems before they entered a more independent situation.  

By that I mean, they might drink, but knowing they had to get back
 into the house without mom and dad knowing they were drunk,
 they'd be less likely to drink enough to end up in the hospital.  And 
if Mom and Dad had some sense, they'd agree to pick them up, no
 questions asked, if they or their ride had been drinking.  

OK, my 2 cents.  Sorry, I JUST COULDN'T HELP MYSELF!!!

melanie (who'd love a fake ID that put her age at 21) *grin*

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