From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #900 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, October 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 900 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: One more thing about fake IDs [Nate DeRose ] Re: One more thing about fake IDs [lawrence solomon ] Re: One more thing about fake IDs ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: One more thing about fake IDs [lawrence solomon ] Re: Fake ID needed : ) [lawrence solomon ] Re: One more thing about fake IDs [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruh] Re: OT - our favorite strips (?) [leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender)] Re: OT: wool allergies and asthma (was: Re: Fruvous Autographs [leaben@] OT: wool allergies and asthma (was: Re: Fruvous Autographs [srm9988n@ao] Re: One more thing about fake IDs [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Collingswood Show [gingee@my-deja.com] trombones (was Re: earthquakes (the song)) ["Carey Farrell" ] Sarah McLachlan list moved [Ofer Inbar ] Fake ID's, Club hours, etc. ["Kathleen Cain" ] Guess I'll break it. Frucon3 rumor? [Bill Breen ] Re: One more thing about fake IDs ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: One more thing about fake IDs [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruh] Re: trombones [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: earthquakes (the song) ["Ken Perschke" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:27:36 -0400 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs lawrence solomon wrote: > And I don't think that's true - it's pretty obvious to me that these clubs > don't care much for people who aren't 21/18. Of COURSE they don't! At least, not from a business standpoint. They make ALOT more money from people drinking than they do from the tickets. I mean, you've gotta figure that at the frucon shows alone, I spent.... ohhh... I'd say close to $100 a night (canadian) on drinks at Lee's... at least, when you factor in tips. Which is a damn sight more than I spent on the tickets. And I know for a fact that at least a FEW other people there spent that much.... (some more.) So yeah, the clubs obviously would rather have only 21+ people there if they have a liquor license...... As for the whole 18+ thing, I have no idea.... perhaps it's some kind of special license? Does anyone know why the 18+ thing is better for them? Cheers, nate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:26:08 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs Vika Zafrin wrote: > I would hazard that you have not had any run-ins with dictatorship in > this country, as it pertains to club/bar admittance. Call it anything > you like, Lawrence, but not only is it NOT fascism, it's getting > offensive when you post without doing your research, and it belittles > the horror associated with the word and the concept. I'm sorry if I've offended you or anyone else, as it was (hopefully clearly) not my intent (nor is it ever my intent). However, I will still say, and hopefully in a way that clears things up, that I was using the word as I've heard it used, fairly commonly, to describe something that is objectionable in that it is arbitrary and indiscriminate, and usually unfair. I am aware of the history behind it, but I was always given the impression, perhaps only in certain groups of people (maybe even just at CMU, although I have heard it elsewhere, too) that there was a commonly accepted usage that did not refer to such a philosophy. The most common usage I've heard was that allowing users to see the files in one's home directory at school, but not actually see the contents of the file, was called "fascistic" by someone, not me, and not the person I heard it from. And no, just because a lot of other people do it doesn't make it right, but I'm just trying to provide some background as to my using it so it's hopefully more apparent that I was not trying to refer to or to belittle anything, just using a word that I've had experience with as a word, if nothing else. I know it looks like I'm trying to defend myself for future use of the word, too, but I don't plan on doing that. I'm just trying to make it known that I am aware of the background and that, even had I looked in a dictionary ahead of time for "confirmation," I probably would have said it anyway, because I was sure there was an alternate modern interpretation. (I still think there is in some groups of people, but it's certainly not universal) - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:43:06 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs >As for the whole 18+ thing, I have no idea.... perhaps it's some kind of >special license? Does anyone know why the 18+ thing is better for them? For the same reason that it costs more for a 22-year-old to rent a car than for a 24-year-old, why car insurance rates drop after you turn a certain age, and why health insurance goes up after you turn a certain age. Insurance companies, through research I don't quite understand, establish age limits by which they determine their rates. In liability insurance terms, a 16-year-old is a greater risk than an 18-year-old. How does this relate to club policy? In order to operate, a club has to hold liability insurance. If a club has an 18+ policy, this insurance has a better rate. In fact, I would hazard to guess that this insurance could be revoked if a club were known to admit people who weren't 18, which would cause the club to close. ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:51:15 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs Nate DeRose wrote: > Of COURSE they don't! > At least, not from a business standpoint. > They make ALOT more money from people drinking than they do from the > tickets. and of course it's all about moneymoneymoney. I thought the point of clubs was entertainment. or was supposed to be. I don't drink. And even if I did, I certainly wouldn't buy alcohol at a club. Because they have a monopoly on the drinks there, they can fix the prices at whatever they want, and usually those prices are absurdly high. So all they ever get from me is the ticket price, and, in the winter, the coat check (unless I can stuff my jacket somewhere else) They can't turn me away if I have a ticket - I have a valid ID that says I'm 22 years, 9 months old - so *I'm* a loss for the club.... And what's the point of being in business if the customers aren't satisfied? The top three priorities, in order, for any business should be: customer satisfaction, employee satisfaction, profit. And unfortunately, the top three priorities, in order, for most actual business are: profit, profit, profit. And people wonder why I think capitalism is evil... it's such a selfish and uncompassionate system. - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:39:35 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: Fake ID needed : ) Vika Zafrin wrote: > You wanna change the laws? You want to change this country's f****g > idiotic attitude toward alcohol? Go right ahead. I'll be right behind I'd love to, but right now, I don't know of any elected officials who wouldn't laugh at the concept. > you. But, as has been pointed out, do not go blaming clubs for this. Why not? There obviously are ways around it - otherwise there would be *zero* all-ages venues. So somewhere along the line, the club owner is the one who decides that the club will have age restrictions, unless the law specifically says that any venues that serve alcohol cannot admit people underage. I know that is certainly not the case in New York City, where the Bowery Ballroom is located, because the Mercury Lounge, Tramps (which I hear is closing), and Irving Plaza all (three of the TMBG venues) have 18+ and all-ages shows. (actually, I think Irving Plaza might always be all-ages) I wouldn't mind seeing Fruvous at Irving Plaza... And where does the law enter the picture for 18+ shows? 18-20 year olds still can't drink... > Or the FAQ, for that matter. I'm not blaming the FAQ, just saying that the explanation given there states that it's not about age discrimination, and I don't see what else it can be considered. > Especially clubs nice enough (and smart enough) to let Fruvous play > there. Then maybe we should work on getting Fruvous to put in their contracts with clubs that the shows must be all ages (or at the very least less restrictive) since apparently that is possible to do and most clubs will do it if they want the show badly enough. - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 1999 15:37:41 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs Kate said: (Lawrence:) >>One day cannot make a difference, but where is the cutoff? Sounds >arbitrary >>to me... > >Unfortunately, it does. Just like one week makes a difference, and one year >makes a difference. The *law* says that you can't drink until you are 21. >Bars that hold concerts tend to make the majority of their money from >alcohol sales. Therefore, they profit more from people who buy alcohol than >people who don't. They could just sell alcohol to everyone regardless of >age, but then they'd get shut down, and it was pointless in the first place. >They could take a cut of merchandise sales, but bands *despise* that. They >could raise ticket prices, but *we* despise that. Or they could have an >age-restriction, the choice that normally pisses off the least number of >people. >You have to wait for some things in life. Driving, voting - this is another >one. You can whine about it, or you can do something to change it and until >it's changed deal with it. The choice is yours. In all fairness, I think Lawrence *is* trying to do something to change it. He's talking about it, and stating his views of why it's wrong, and that's a start. Maybe various persons disagree with his method -- ie, getting irritated with clubs that cave in to a law he sees as unjust -- but a flawed method doesn't mean he's whining. Even if it *is* addressed in the FAQ and the ng has seen the discussion a gabillion times before. ;) I'm not sure the economic indicator is all that great -- I may be wrong, but I believe a $2.50 Coke or bottle of Poland Spring gives a club just about as much of a profit margin as a $3.00 beer. And there are lots of legal-age Fruvous fans who don't consume alcohol heavily either, so I'd say practically speaking that point is moot. And from the POV that businesses probably have a bit more political clout than a few underage Fruvous fans, I have to admit that I think Lawrence is on the right track to say -- hey, the clubs *could* kick up more of a fuss about this, if they really did care and wanted to do more than just throw up their collective hands and whine about it themselves when would-be patrons ask why they can't attend shows. Collectively in a community or state they'd definitely qualify as a special interest, in the sense of being able to request change, with some clout behind the request. Their unwillingness to act doesn't necessarily make them fascist, but it *does* mean they're not as interested in their patrons as in the bottom line, and in covering their own asses. (I know, so what else is new? :) ) And that type of don't-make-waves mindset *is* how despotic political systems stay in power, isn't it? But I really don't see any reason why these age-restricted clubs can't do a dual-carding system, like so many others do -- one colour armband for over-21s, another for under-21's. If that's impossible because of the laws in their state, then I'd think they'd be concerned about an arbitrary law that impacts on their business and patron-friendly reputation. Just my .11. - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 1999 16:06:57 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: OT - our favorite strips (?) >I know a lot of people here read both Goats and >Waiting For Bob... and, well, I just thought it >was kinda cool that WFB is the strip of the week >at goats.com. WTG, K@ and Doug! > > > *wild cheers and applause... and a bit of confetti, too* hmm... www.waytogokatanddoug.com? - -Bender (Home sick from school... once I get breathing again, I'll be fine!) - ------------------------------ You do realize that there are three whole cornfields between Iowa and New York City, right? - -Maria, 10/9/99 - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 1999 16:20:49 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: OT: wool allergies and asthma (was: Re: Fruvous Autographs >Hmm. Maybe there's a higher degree of sensitivity in children, or among the >very severely asthmatic. The Asthma Demon is the main thing that's keeping me out of school today (and making me miss a capella choir :(.....) Wool, animal fibers, not much of a problem for me... many dogs, I can get away with... but CATS are a big big big problem for me. Whenever I go over Steph's house, especially when it's a "sleep" over, I make sure I have a box of Benadryl, tissues, and a full inhaler, and I still feel sick the next morning... (But that's not preventing me from sleeping over Steph's! It may take me three days to recover, but I'm too stubborn!) And just forget about pollen. Don't even go there. But it's really the cats that make my eyes swell shut... Lovely imagery, I know... - -Bender (Hey, at least I didn't give ya my full medical history!) - ------------------------------ You do realize that there are three whole cornfields between Iowa and New York City, right? - -Maria, 10/9/99 - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 1999 16:06:44 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: OT: wool allergies and asthma (was: Re: Fruvous Autographs vika said: >>None of the people I >>know with asthma (including my son) can wear *any* fibers that aren't >>plant-based or manmade. > >That's certainly not true for me or for my brother, or for any other >people I know with asthma, so it must be an exception rather than a >rule. Hmm. Maybe there's a higher degree of sensitivity in children, or among the very severely asthmatic. I'm not a pulmonary specialist -- I just know what the pediatrician told me, what I've seen of Andrew's reactions (his eczema's generally worse than his asthma unless he's otherwise sick), and I know how violently other family members react to animal fibers, dog fur etc. >> And inhaling microfibers can >>cause a major allergic or asthmatic episode for a susceptible person. >That's >>why so many people can't be around pet animals. > >Hrm? Most animal allergens are found in their saliva, not in their >hair/fur. That's why more people are allergic to cats than to dogs: >cats constantly lick themselves, their saliva proceeds to dry up and >flake off in microscopic flakes, and fly around. The hair/fur is just a >vehicle. Oddly, Andrew, my brother, and my cousin are far more sensitive to dogs than cats. But only furred dogs, not haired dogs. They all get eczema from wool clothing unless they layer it over several something elses. At the other extreme, my sister-in-law-to-be cannot sit on a freshly-vacuumed wool carpet in a HEPA-filtered house without having a severe asthmatic episode and breaking out in splotches. *That* is an allergy to wool. Not to dander or saliva or anything an actual sheep might have put on the wool, but to the wool itself. She also can't handle dogs, cats, bunnies, chocolate, alpaca, vicuna, cashmere or many of the other best things in life. :( - -- Lori, nonasthmatic, loves wool and cats, but keep me the hell away from pollen, pine trees, and certain medications! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:43:46 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs Spake lawrence solomon : >And what's the point of being in business if the customers aren't satisfied? The underage people who can't get into a club don't count as its customers. Among the people who do count as customers of any given club, I've seen more people who are there for the booze than those who actually care what under-21-year-olds want. Fruvous shows and other acoustic/folk shows are an exception to that, but acoustic/folk shows in general are an exception to the "usual" bar/club scene these days. >And people wonder why I think capitalism is evil... it's such a selfish and >uncompassionate system. As a commie spy, I applaud you! > "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. > I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ RIGHT at the moment that I was reading your .sig, these words were coming out of my stereo. Whoa, man. - -v - ----------- Vika Zafrin ----------- vika@attglobal.net ----------- http://www.fruhead.com/users/vika/index.html http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron "Hey, ground, I'm nobody's lunch." -Eddie From Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:43:11 GMT From: gingee@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Collingswood Show cicero@wwnet.com wrote: > $22.50? $22.50! Since when did frushows get THAT expensive? > > A.J. (who is beginning to think that not living on the east cost is > maybe NOT such a bad thing) > A.J. - Can we presume that east "cost" was a brilliant and intended play on words and not simply a typo? ;-) Apparently this is the price range that the Philadelphia/WXPN market will bear. My front row tix for 11/19 at the Keswick (PA suburb of Philly) were $25.00, and seats beyond the first few rows are $22.50 and it is almost sold out. The Scottish Rite Auditorium is in a NJ suburb of Philly, and the same concert organizer (New Park Entertainment) is doing both shows, so they obviously learned from the Keswick results that they could charge this much. Not necessarily defending the higher pricing, but the shows at the Keswick and Scottish Rite mark the band's transition from smaller, general admission venues in which most everyone has to stand for a couple hours to theatres with assigned seating and actual seats. Also, at least in the case of the Keswick (I haven't been to the S.R. yet), the theatre has much better sound and sight quality than previous area venues such as the TLA or the dreadful Trocadero in Phila. It stands to reason that better quality venues have higher overhead, and therefore we pay higher ticket prices. That's progress for ya! Cheers! gingee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:30:06 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: trombones (was Re: earthquakes (the song)) Ln wrote: >Fruvous on trombone? What do you play on it? I love the trombone. And >Bender >or whoever said GWS sounded kinda cool on clarinet was right. :) Last >year >we were playing it on recorder (what we could of it anyway) but it never >occured to us to try it on our clarinets..can we say duh? :) Spidey sounds cool on the trombone. So does I Love My Boss. And so would a lot of other songs, if I wasn't so self-conscious about figuring them out in the music department with my professors running around. I think maybe today, after I finish trudging through my tenor clef exercises (bleh) I'll try some of the cool Dave-crooning songs. Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:09:44 GMT From: "Andrew Blendermann" Subject: Re: Blues Brothers Carey Farrell wrote in message news:19991018172326.1420.qmail@hotmail.com... > Jerry Levine wrote: > > A few years ago, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy also did a cover of Minnie, which is > on some CD whose name I can't remember. The Fruvous one is much better. But > you would probably expect that. It's on BBVD's first CD, self-titled. It also has "You and Me and the Bottle Makes 3 Tonight (Baby)", the song that's actually gotten a little airplay. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:05:26 GMT From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Sarah McLachlan list moved Just in case this affects anyone here... -- Cos - ----- Forwarded message from John Stewart ----- Due to the high crossover of fan base, I wanted to take just a second to let you know that Fumbling-Towards- Ecstasy, the Sarah McLachlan mailing list, has moved to smoe. Effective immediately [without any advance notice from its former home] and all that good stuff. If you or any of your subscribers are Sarah fans, please let them know that the former list @ yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au WILL be shutting down soon, and that folks need to unsub from that list and sub to fte@smoe.org. If they have any questions, they can write me at stewartj@seanet.com. Thanks! John John Stewart | stewartj@seanet.com Emerald City of Seattle, Washington, USA - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:44:28 GMT From: "Kathleen Cain" Subject: Fake ID's, Club hours, etc. Lawrence said: "If you feel that there is no difference between those two days, then what is the difference between someone who is 20 and 364 days old vs. someone who is 20 and 363 days old? And so on. Funny, I've just proved all ages to be equivalent by induction.... :) One day cannot make a difference, but where is the cutoff? Sounds arbitrary to me..." Of course it sounds arbitrary to you. You are still too young to understand the difference a year or even a few months can make to a person's maturity and sense of responsibility. As an adult, I can appreciate why clubs don't let 15 year olds attend. Clubs are not like large venues, like stadiums. People are there for more than one reason. While we attend to see a band, we stay to socialize. This is an atmosphere that anyone under 18 should not be a part of. The reason 18 and over shows are allowed is because there is a young fan group for the band playing and the venue is trying to accomodate as much of the fan base they can without legal hassles. It is assumed (legally) that an 18 year old is able to be responsible for their own actions. A line has to be drawn somewhere and this made the most sense. Without these kind of lines (that you describe as arbitrary and unfair), there would be chaos as laws even as simple as traffic laws wouldn't be able to be drawn up. It may seem to be unfair, but much of life can be unfair. That doesn't mean it has to be unpleasant. There is so much to look forward to in life. Just because you can't see Moxy Fruvous this year, doesn't mean that you never will. Enjoy what you can while you can. Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:29:08 -0400 From: Bill Breen Subject: Guess I'll break it. Frucon3 rumor? Well, I haven't seen it here or on FDC so I thought that I would start a rumor or spread some news which I think comes from a reliable source. George and I were talking with Jian after the Tractor show and it seems that fruvous may be playing at Lee's for four shows, Thur-Sun. I was going to put "will" in the previous sentence but since the dates haven't been announced, I won't. Just that if you are making plans for frucon 3, I would suggest you think about perhaps start thinking about taking another day off of work (at least in my case). The tractor was a great show btw, lots of good stuff. And I guess I should mention a plee by a moving fruhead that I met at the show that she wanted fruvous to play new orleans. Well, I should get back to work.. thought I would spread the good word. "wild" Bill - ----- And what you wish for, won't come true. You aren't surpised, love, are you? -- Guster, What you wish for ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:23:46 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > And from the POV that businesses probably have a bit more political clout than > a few underage Fruvous fans, I have to admit that I think Lawrence is on the > right track to say -- hey, the clubs *could* kick up more of a fuss about this, > if they really did care and wanted to do more than just throw up their > collective hands and whine about it themselves when would-be patrons ask why > they can't attend shows. Collectively in a community or state they'd definitely > qualify as a special interest, in the sense of being able to request change, > with some clout behind the request. Their unwillingness to act doesn't > necessarily make them fascist, but it *does* mean they're not as interested in > their patrons as in the bottom line, and in covering their own asses. (I know, > so what else is new? :) ) And that type of don't-make-waves mindset *is* how > despotic political systems stay in power, isn't it? Lori, don't forget that we are talking about the USA here, where alcohol consumption was once banned in the f#*&ing constitution (and only repealed because the ban created a worse condition than had ever existed before). Bar owners are NOT going to make waves for 2 reason: One, they depend on their liquor licenses (granted by the government, usually over the vehement objections of local residents who don't want bars in their communities) for most of their revenue, and two, because the current climate in this country towards "underage" drinking is bordering on hysteria thanks to the misguided efforts of groups such as MADD and SADD who target alcohol consumption when they should target inappropriate behavior. In other words, it is so non-PC right now to protest drinking laws that no bar is EVER going to do that. (Especially as they would be seen in having an economic interest in liberalizing such laws). No, I'm afraid the change will have to come from elsewhere. > But I really don't see any reason why these age-restricted clubs can't do a > dual-carding system, like so many others do -- one colour armband for over-21s, > another for under-21's. If that's impossible because of the laws in their > state, then I'd think they'd be concerned about an arbitrary law that impacts > on their business and patron-friendly reputation. A lot of places DO do this, but ultimately it is the call of the individual bar if the hassle is worth it to them. Again you can't blame them they are only responding to the law. Change the laws and they will change their policies--Guaranteed! - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 1999 20:00:52 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: One more thing about fake IDs vika said: >>And people wonder why I think capitalism is evil... it's such a selfish and >>uncompassionate system. > >As a commie spy, I applaud you! Aha! We've snared another one in our cleverly-disguised hippity-geeky-pinko-bleeding-heart-looking unAmerican Activities trap! amm-f IS just a front for the CIA, you know, Veek. :) Agent Solomon, would you like to detain her or should I? ;) - -- Lori **************** and Joe McCarthy too ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 1999 19:45:08 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: trombones Woo!! More trombones!! Trombones make me happy!! :) Veronica (head trombone, Queen's Bands 1999-2000) On an unrelated note, my aunt and uncle ahd a baby boy last night. no name yet, but it makes me very happy! :) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones; | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:41:14 -0400 From: "Ken Perschke" Subject: Re: earthquakes (the song) > > I have no trouble singing it without the music, but for some reason it's > impossible for me to play on the guitar. The chords are fine, but I can't > figure out the strumming pattern. Hmm.... I have a similar problem, I understand the basic chords, I just can't seem to get the extra stuff they're throwing in, like alternating with 4ths or 2nds on that A7 (if this is what they in fact do, I'm not sure)... > > Carey, who spends entirely too much time playing Fruvous songs on guitar, > anyway (not to mention on the trombone) You're not alone, don't worry! Although I play too much on guitar, banjo, and keyboard (no trombone). Ken ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #900 ********************************************