From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #868 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, October 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 868 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Once I was the King of... [Ellie Raulerson ] Re: World Cafe [gingee@my-deja.com] Re: GWS [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Once I was the King of . . . [leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender)] Re: GWS [Tracey Kast ] Re: GWS [Ellen ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) [Keepe] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) [Keepe] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (3/4) [Keepe] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 05:43:13 GMT From: Ellie Raulerson Subject: Re: Once I was the King of... Ofer Inbar wrote: > Well, look what a friend of mine did for her comp. sci homework: Well, actually, that wasn't cs homework. I got paid for writing that. - -ellie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ellie Raulerson A snarky condo, raulerso@math.grin.edu that was my home. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:42:46 GMT From: gingee@my-deja.com Subject: Re: World Cafe > Just a reassurance to all y'all who can't listen to World Cafe tomorrow > afternoon. ... yes, I'm planning to tape it. No, I doubt I'll be the only one. > -- Lori Thank you, thank you, Lori! Greetings from Frankfurt! Since I will be flying to Amsterdam later today, I don't think I will have time to listen to the webcast, but of course it will still be there when I get back I suppose. I'll email you after I get back to the US next week with a list of the Moxy Fruvous material I have on hand. Hopefully I have something you do not already have for which I can trade for a copy of today's World Cafe. Got to go! Cheers! gingee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 01 Oct 1999 11:33:33 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: GWS I agree with Sara. I always thought of that crucial and infamous landing in Normandy when that spoke of "the beach". As if they were saying "that's where it all happened, on that beach, on that sea." ladywench "Music not danced to is music wasted." - Eileen Ivers, PFF 38 FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ Date: 01 Oct 1999 10:52:05 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: Once I was the King of . . . >Are the >aliens also responsible for the performance artists that the BMA hosts on >First Thursdays? That wouldn't surprise me . . . Not Dave read this post and had a little something to say. He said, "SQUEEEEEEEAK! Sque-e-e-e-eaKsqueak, squeak! Squeak squeak, SQUEAK, sque-eak!!!!!!!!" Which translates to: "Geez, just blame it on the aliens, will ya? I mean, we take the heat for Elvis, Marshmallow Peeps, Bob Dole (who is one of us, but that's besides the point), and every high school principal in the country! Give us a break!!!!!!!" - -Bender (and Not Dave) - ------------------------------ It's easy to blame things on a nonentity --- Steph (a.k.a. Saph) - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 13:43:44 GMT From: Tracey Kast Subject: Re: GWS At 11:57 PM 9/30/99 +0000, you wrote: >I was brushing my teeth this morning, serenated by the blissful logic of GWS, >when this peculiar line jarred me, as it always does. It's starting to get >to me: what in the world [1] are they talking about when they sing "That's >where the beach was, that's where the sea"? I always think it refers to WWII and Normandy Beach. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:28:30 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: GWS In article <19990930204351.24695.00000307@ng-cf1.aol.com>, srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) wrote: > I guess it can be fouled beyond recognition, turned into a toxic waste > dump instead of a proper beach; Strangely enough, Normandy Beach didn't really occur to me either (I don't know why I just said "strangely," because I was a rotten history student). In these days of biological, chemical, and most of all nuclear warfare, I envisioned a bombed-out fallout-swamp where the beach used to be. Still there, in a way, but toxic and scarred. And then, perversely, I also hear "Nothing But Flowers" by the Talking Heads when I hear that line. ;) peace, ellen ************************************************************* This was a shopping mall, now it's turned into a cornfield... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:58:33 -0500 From: Keeper of the FAQ Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) - ---------------=======================================-------------- FAQ Comments: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html Newsgroup: news://alt.music.moxy-fruvous Website: http://www.fruvous.com - ---------------=======================================-------------- *** FAQ Update *** This is the monthly posting of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous official Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list. An updated version of this text is posted to the newsgroup on the first of each month. Updated records are easily recognizable by looking for *'s in the FAQ itself. WARNING: This posting is positively huge. It is broken into 4 parts of about 500 lines each. An HTML version of this FAQ with hyperlinks (making it infinitely more readable), is available at Fruvous Dot Com: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ is currently actively maintained and provides a centralized placed to look for answers to commonly asked questions on the newsgroup. All questions, comments, or suggestions for the FAQ should be sent to ammf-faq@fruvous.com. Discussions of the FAQ and its contents are appropriate for the newsgroup, but please cc: ammf-faq@fruvous.com also to insure the FAQ maintainer gets them also. - - Keeper of the FAQ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:58:39 -0500 From: Keeper of the FAQ Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) (Begin part 1/4) Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Questions, suggestions, and submissions to: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ last updated: 23-SEP-1999 Question marked by a '*' denote content changes in this version of the FAQ. Questions marked by the '*' have been modified significantly enough to make it known, so that people familiar with the previous FAQ need only browse the '*' marks to get updated information. Questions in this FAQ: Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? 3) Who maintains the FAQ? 4)* How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? 5)* Where can I get the FAQ? Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? 2) Is there an IRC Channel? 3) Is there a newsgroup? 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? 12)* What is the "newsgroup pin"? 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? 14) Are there any major fan web pages? 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? 16)* What's an umlaut? How do I make one? Section: Basic Moxy Fruvous Information 1) Who is Moxy Fruvous? 2) What does "Moxy Fruvous" mean? 3) What is a Fruhead? How can I become a Fruhead? 4) What is the "Fruhead Card"? 5) What is the "Frumiles Card"? 6) My Frumiles Card expires at the "end of the millennium." Is that December 31st, 1999, or 2000? 7) Where is the band currently touring? 8) Why has the band toured more in the United States than in Canada lately? 9) Why does the band frequently play at restricted venues that don't allow underage people in? 10) There seems to be frequent mention of taping at Fruvous shows and trading of these tapes. What's the band's policy on that? 11) Is there any connection between Moxy Fruvous and the soft drink Moxie? 12) I ordered my merchandise four weeks ago from Fruvous and I haven't received it yet. What gives? 13) What's the best thing I can do to help support the band? Section: Mike, Murray, Jian, and Dave 1) On stage, who is who? 2) Why is Jian's name written as Jean in liner notes and older articles? 3) How do you pronounce Jian Ghomeshi? 4) Is Dave gay? bisexual? How about Murray? Jian? Mike? Section: The Albums 1) What albums does Moxy Fruvous have out? 2) Why aren't all the albums in stores? Where are they available? 3) What if I can't get any of the albums at stores? 4) Does the band ever put out singles? 5)* Does the band ever make videos? 6) Is there any connection between _You Will Go to the Moon_ and the children's book of the same name? 7) What is the Indie Cassette I keep hearing about? 8) Where can I get the Indie Cassette? Section: Songs and Lyrics 1) Where can I get a copy of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 2) Where can I find the lyrics to "Johnny Saucep'n," "Your New Boyfriend," etc? 3) Where can I get translations of the French songs? 4) Where can I find tabulature for Fruvous songs? 5) Where can I find vocal sheet music for Fruvous songs? 6) Where can I find sound files of Fruvous songs? 7) Which band member wrote which songs? Do they collaborate? 8)* What's the song that they perform with the refrain, "Hey little bird, fly away home"? 9) Is it a female voice or Mike's voice during the intro to the studio version of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 10) Who says "Swing it" on the studio version of "Gotta Get a Message to You"? 11) Is the "Lowest Highest Point" really in Delaware? Section: Fruvous Characters 1) Who is Larry Boniface Clebdon? Who is Barry? 2) Who is Lazlo? 3) What's a Laika? 4) Who is Dusty Fosterbourd? 5) Who is Grandpa Fruvous? 6) Who is Lou? 7) Who is Marion Fruvous? Section: Fruvous-Related Links and Information 1) What other bands might a fan of Fruvous be interested in? Credits Appendices: Appendix A - An explanation of why age restricted venues exist and bands play at them Appendix B - alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup definitions and etiquette suggestions Appendix C - common acronyms seen in alt.music.moxy-fruvous Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ (a.m.m-f FAQ, or just the FAQ from here on out) is a frequently asked questions list that is a resource for newcomers and old timers of the internet NNTP newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is intended to answer many of the commonly recurring questions that are posed to the newsgroup so that the members there are not continually answering the same questions. Note that the a.m.m-f FAQ is not gospel. It is fan maintained. Sources are cited where they are known and every attempt has been made to give information in as neutral a way as possible. But the maintainer is only human (and at this time at least, a quite opinionated human at that), and at times some inkling of their opinions may seep in. Feel free to complain if you disagree. 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ does contain some good general Fruvous information that does not relate directly to the newsgroup. Any fan may find the information here useful, even if they do not have the time or desire to read the newsgroup. Also, "Fruvous FAQ" is much easier to say and type than "alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ" or "a.m.m-f FAQ." 3) Who maintains the FAQ? The original maintainer of the FAQ was Colleen Campbell. She researched, wrote up, and maintained the FAQ from its birth until August of 1999. Her work on the FAQ is very much appreciated, and the Fruvous community owes her a debt for her hard work. The second and current maintainer of the FAQ is Chad Maloney. Chad has been a Fruvous fan since July 1997 and posts frequently (if not very frequently) to a.m.m-f. He can be reached at chadm@fruhead.com and gladly accepts any and all email. 4)* How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? Your input to this FAQ is very valuable. If there's something you disagree with, that you want said in a different way, or that you want added to or removed from the FAQ, please email the current FAQ maintainer. They should happily talk with you about your addition and give you feedback on the request. The email address ammf-faq@fruvous.com is setup for the current FAQ maintainer. Please do NOT post your FAQ input to a.m.m-f. The FAQ maintainer needs to keep a record of all requests so that they are processed accordingly. Due to problems with newsfeeds, every post to a.m.m-f may not make it to the maintainer. Please DO email the FAQ maintainer at ammf-faq@fruvous.com. 5)* Where can I get the FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ is available in a couple of different ways. It is posted monthly to the newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is also available on the web at http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html. You can also request the FAQ from the ammf-faq autoresponder. To do this, simply send an email to ammf-faq-request@fruvous.com and the FAQ, split into sizeable chunks, will automatically be emailed to you. Finally, you can request that the FAQ be emailed to you by emailing ammf-faq@fruvous.com and requesting the latest version of the FAQ. The FAQ maintainer will forward you the FAQ when they get the email. Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? Yes, there is. http://www.fruvous.com (Fruvous Dot Com or FDC) is the official Moxy Fruvous web page and an amazing resource for Moxy Fruvous fans. The site is one of the best band websites around and contains an up-to-date tour itinerary, song lyrics, articles, guitar tab, and show reviews. Reviews posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous usually make their way onto the site or they can be emailed to webmaster@fruvous.com. The site is maintained by Chris O'Malley and any questions about it should be sent to him at webmaster@fruvous.com. Moxy Fruvous Corp also has registered the domain moxyfruvous.com for future use. 2) Is there an IRC Channel? Yes, there is probably more than one. The one that many a.m.m-f denizens frequent is #MoxyFruvous on the Undernet. More information about that channel is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/irc.html. You can probably find Moxy Fruvous channels on EFNet and DALnet as well under various names. 3) Is there a newsgroup? Yes, there is. alt.music.moxy-fruvous (for which this FAQ is written) is the Usenet group for discussion of Moxy Fruvous. For a simple etiquette guide to alt.music.moxy-fruvous, see Appendix B of this FAQ. To access the newsgroup using NNTP, choose your favorite newsreader (like TIN, Netscape Messenger, Outlook, etc) and look in the alt.music hierarchy for moxy-fruvous. You also need a news provider. If you are in school, you may have to request that alt.music.moxy-fruvous be added to your school's news server. You can also use a free NNTP service like Deja.com to read the newsgroup or there are several great news service providers that are available for relatively little money. NewsGuy, for example, works extremely well for some people ( http://www.newsguy.com ) and is very inexpensive. AOL has their own newsserver and the newsgroup is available there. To get to it, go the keyword "newsgroups", then "add newsgroup." Search the alt.music hierarchy for alt.music.moxy-fruvous and then subscribe. Note that NNTP and the graph of newsservers is not wholly reliable. Sometimes posts may be lost or come in out of order. Deja.com is usually very complete, as is NewsGuy. See question #6 for some alternatives to using a bad newsserver. 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? ammf@fruvous.com is the email address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Sending email to ammf@fruvous.com will post the contents of the email to the newsgroup with the subject provided. This is how the Mail--->News half of the gateway works, so that when you reply to a message sent by the gateway, it goes to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News gateway provides a way to receive the contents of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup without using an NNTP newsreader. Instead, once you subscribe, each posting to the newsgroup is emailed to you directly. Note that there is still an NNTP server behind the Mail<-->News gateway, so there may be posts out of order or left out, like when using another NNTP server. The contents of the list are also available in digest form. See question #9 for more information. For more information about the Mail<-->News Gateway, see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? If you aren't subscribed to the Mail<-->News gateway, something is really wrong. If you are subscribed to the Mail<-->News Gateway, then probably someone else is having mail problems and is bouncing mail to the list. Please send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com regarding the problem and they will work it out. Forward the bounce there and they will fix the problem as promptly as possible. 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? You have a couple of choices. You could pay for a better NNTP service from a company like NewsGuy ( http://www.newsguy.com ). If you have patience, you can use a free NNTP service that has a good newsfeed like Deja.com. The interface to Deja is a little awkward, but it does work. The web site http://www.fruhead.com has a web interface into a.m.m-f available as well. Finally, you can subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway which is already hooked up to a good newsfeed. To subscribe to the Mail<-->Gateway (which will email you everything posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous and allow you to email ammf@fruvous.com to post to the newsgroup), see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. It has information on the Mail<-->News Gateway. Note that the web interface on FHDC uses the Mail<-->News Gateway for its newsfeed. 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? To unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway, you need to unsubscribe from the mailing list ammf@fruvous.com. If you are unsubscribing from the address that is subscribed to the list, you simply need to send an email to ammf-request@fruvous.com with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Otherwise, you're request will need to be authorized manually. You can email owner-ammf@fruvous.com for help with that process. If you are subscribed to the digest version, send your email to ammf-digest-request@fruvous.com following the instructions above. Please don't include your .sig in messages to the ammf-request address as it may mess up the automatic processor. See http://www.fruvous.com/other.html for more Mail<-->News gateway information. 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? Nope. Sorry. The mailing list software behind the Mail<-->News gateway is Majordomo, which doesn't allow you to remain subscribed, while temporarily shutting off distribution of mailing list messages to your email address. To do this, you'll have to unsubscribe then resubscribe when you return. 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? The best thing to do is to subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway in digest form. In digest form, you will receive one large email containing a number of posts to the newsgroup instead of each one individually. You can then read the one message, instead of individually reading the 40 messages contained in it. To do this, email ammf-request@fruvous.com with the message body containing "subscribe ammf-digest". 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? There are two easily available archives of the newsgroup. The first is provided by the Mail<-->News gateway, which archives all digests it sends. They are available for download at http://www.smoe.org/lists/ammf but you can't search or easily navigate through the digests. Deja.com archives a great portion of Usenet for your use. It provides robust searching of newsgroup articles back to 1996. 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? alt.fan.moxy.fruvous is the old Moxy Fruvous newsgroup. People now use alt.music.moxy-fruvous for discussion of the band Moxy Fruvous. The newsgroup in the alt.fan hierarchy is no longer used because it was not petitioned properly in alt.config before the "add group" message was given to NNTP servers. Because of this, the alt.fan group is not available in many places. The alt.music group was (eventually) properly setup and should be available on a wider range of servers. An attempt was made to remove the alt.fan group from Usenet, but this isn't really feasible because NNTP servers aren't organized at all. Most posts to alt.fan.moxy.fruvous get immediate replies from kind fans referring them to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. 12)* What is the "newsgroup pin"? alt.music.moxy-fruvous is a pretty cohesive fan group and many of us have developed a taste for meeting up with each other at Fruvous shows. To identify each other, the newsgroup came up with the a.m.m-f pin, originally distributed by Vicky Brasseur to those who sent her an SASE. There are a limited number of fans still using these old buttons, but Vicky is no longer distributing them. If you are at a show, look for Fruheads wearing a 2" white pin with black lettering, "alt.music.moxy-fruvous" on the top, "have modem - will travel" on the bottom, with the "Barry" creature (from the back of _The B Album_) in the center in full color. An image of the a.m.m-f pin (or ng pin) is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/miscpics/frupin.gif The newsgroup pin seems to be in less use than it was during '97. Many of the newsgroup regulars became very familiar with each other in that period and identification pins became rather extraneous. There are a lot of new a.m.m-f'ers out there, though, and it would probably help us all meet each other if we kept the pin in common use. In August of 1999, Chad Maloney ( chadm@fruhead.com ) had a new batch of the old buttons reprinted. He has information on how to get an ng pin available. See http://www.fruhead.com/users/Chad/ammf-pin.html for more information about getting a button. 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? Jian has admitted in front of fans that he does skim the newsgroup occasionally. It's also been said that Murray and Mike have seen the newsgroup before. Even though members of the band occasionally see the newsgroup, the newsgroup is not for communication with the band members. Many, many people read the newsgroup to discuss Moxy Fruvous, and the last thing they want is people posting personal messages to Murray, for example. There are much better ways to communicate personally with the band than to use the public newsgroup. Please remember that the newsgroup is a public forum and what you write may be seen by any number of people, including band members. 14) Are there any major fan web pages? FDC has a links page for many fan pages in its "Moxy Online" section available at http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. Also, http://www.fruhead.com (or FHDC for you acronym buffs) has a "Fruhead Links" section with Fruvous-related links on it. FHDC itself is a fan web page and resource for Fruheads kept up by Josh Woodward. 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? Bill Bowen's, known also as the "Fruvous Supplement," lost web space quite a while ago. He has since allowed Chris O'Malley to include his web page on FDC. Josh Cragun's, which was originally the "official" Fruvous homepage but hadn't been updated in over a year, disappeared over a year ago. The "jcragun" account was removed from the server, possibly because Josh is no longer at school. Chris has, however, moved some of the articles, lyrics, and other tidbits from those pages to FDC with the permission of their previous owners. 16)* What's an umlaut? How do I make one? An umlaut is the technical name for the two dots that are above the "u" in Moxy Fruvous in all the band's printed materials. In other languages, things like umlauts modify the pronounciation of a specific letter. For example, the u-umlaut in German sounds like a ue, and is sometimes written that way in electronic media where no umlaut is available. How to make an umlaut on your computer depends on the computer you use and the character set it is configured for. On most Windows PCs, the ascii code 129 is used for the lowercase u-umlaut. To make it, hold down the ALT-key and, using the numeric keypad on the far right of your keyboard, type 129 then release the ALT-key. The result should be a lowercase u-umlaut that will be visible for people using Windows. But, for some people using a different character set usually on UNIX, what you just made will show up as junk. It is this character set difference that keeps this FAQ from using umlauts for Fruvous and that causes many people to not use them in IRC or on the newsgroup. Not everyone sees it as an umlaut. Normally, when someone sees a word that is Fr^vous for example, they realize what it says, but it's usually best to stick to Fruvous without the umlaut if you want it to look decent on all computers. (End part 1/4) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:58:47 -0500 From: Keeper of the FAQ Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (3/4) (Begin part 3/4) Section: The Albums 1) What albums does Moxy Fruvous have out? Fruvous has 4 studio albums, 1 live album, an EP, and their self-produced cassette tape. o The indie tape, 1992 o _Bargainville_, 1993 (WEA CD 93134, Atlantic 82563-2) o _Wood_, 1995 (WEA CD 10616, BMG/VelVel/Bottom Line #47306) o _The B Album_, 1996 (WEA CD 14187, BMG/VelVel/Bottom Line #47307) o _You Will Go to the Moon_, 1997 (Bottom Line Records VEL 7301-2) o _Live Noise_, 1998 (BMG/VelVel/Bottom Line #47304, WEA CD23269) o _Thornhill_, 1999 (BMG/Razor & Tie #82849/Bottom Line) See the Moxy Fruvous discography on Fruvous Dot Com at http://www.fruvous.com/discog.html 2) Why aren't all the albums in stores? Where are they available? The indie tape is no longer in production; there were a limited number produced (something over 50,000), and you'll be lucky to get your mitts on a copy. Grubbing around in used music stores in Canada is your best bet. Begging and offering large amounts of money might work, but it's doubtful. You're more likely to find someone to copy the album for you, if you offer your firstborn child in return - or just ask nicely. A mint condition copy is also currently a prize offered for 2500 Frumiles. _Bargainville_, released by Warner, is widely available in Canada; in America, it was released in 1994 by Atlantic and is carried by many major music chains. _Wood_ was released by Warner in Canada and has been rereleased in the States by Bottom Line/VelVel/BMG. It is distributed by BMG, a major distributor, so any self-respecting CD store should be able to order it. _The B Album_ was originally self-promoted, but it was picked up by Warner in Canada and has been rereleased by Bottom Line/VelVel/BMG in the States. It is also distributed by BMG, so you should be able to get a copy in most any CD store. _You Will Go to the Moon_ was released by Warner in Canada. In America, it is the first release of fledgling independent label the Bottom Line Record Co. _Live Noise_, is the final Moxy Fruvous release on Warner Canada and released by Bottom Line in the Unites States. It is distributed by BMG and therefore is available in most major music chains. _Thornhill_ was released in the United States on August 10th, 1999 on Bottom Line/Razor & Tie/BMG. It was released in Canada on August 24th on True North Records, where the boys signed after their Warner Canada deal was up post-_Live Noise_. It is distributed by BMG, so it should be available or orderable anywhere you go. 3) What if I can't get any of the albums at stores? Rule number one of "I can't find Fruvous records at my local record shop" is to ask at the desk. If they don't have the album you are looking for, ask them if they can order it. In the States, the Bottom Line-released albums are distributed by BMG, a major distributor. Because of this, they should be easily orderable by any music shop in the country. _Bargainville_ was released on Atlantic, so it had decent distribution, but it is rather old and may be a bit harder to order. In Canada, the Warner Canada albums should be easily orderable. Please, even if you don't want to buy the album because you'd rather get it another way, ask the stores to order Fruvous albums if they don't carry them. This will get the band noticed by the store and by distributors as well and get more copies of the CD into the stores where impulse buying may make new fans. If you cannot get the CDs the above way, you can order them off the Internet. Please use the links provided on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/merchan.html to get to Amazon.com, CDnow.com, or any of the other various links to get to the internet chains. When you use these links, Fruvous Dot Com gets a small kickback from the chain which goes toward its operating expenses. CDs are also available at Fruvous live shows from the Merchandise table. If you can't find their albums in your area and Fruvous doesn't tour where you live, you can contact Moxy Fruvous Headquarters at moxy@passport.ca or write them at 1488 Queen Street West P.O. Box 90005 Toronto, Ontario Canada M6K 1M2 4) Does the band ever put out singles? Yes, the band has released singles for 8 different Fruvous songs. Most of these singles were promotional singles ( CDs with one track made for radio stations). They are sent out by the publicity people for the band to stations in the hopes of getting some airplay. Sometimes the stations give them away to employees who may give them to fans or sell them to used CD stores, so check around. Two singles from _Bargainville_, "My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors" and "Stuck in the '90s", contained more than just the single track. They had additional bonus tracks that contained other material. The singles released by the band are: - - "King of Spain " - - "Stuck in the 90's" - - "My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors" - - "Fell in Love" - - "Down From Above" - - "Fly" - - "Get in the Car" - - "I Will Hold On" Singles are hard to find and it is suggested that you snatch them right up if you see them. The band has also released 2 "sampler" tapes. After Bargainville, they had a Bargainville 3-song sampler tape that was used for promotion at shows. Before Wood was released, the band had a fan contest to "name the new album." All the people who submitted a response received a Wood Sampler tape. These 2 tapes are also very rare. 5)* Does the band ever make videos? Yes, the band has made videos for 7 different Fruvous songs. They are also currently working on a video for the first single off of _Thornhill_, "I Will Hold On." Some of the early videos got good amounts of airplay on MuchMusic in Canada during the early-mid '90s. A list of the videos that are out there: - - "King of Spain" - - "Stuck in the 90's" - - "My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors" - - "Fell in Love" - - "Down From Above" - - "Fly" - - "Get in the Car" - - "I Will Hold On" (currently being made) A "Moxy Fruvous Video Collection" was the prize when you obtained 12 stamps on the old Fruhead Card (NOTE: Not the current Frumiles card). This collection was a tape containing all the above videos that were available at the time. There are two versions of the video collection. The most complete version contains all videos up to "Get in the Car", but for those fans who received their video collection before "Get in the Car" was released, their video collection have the videos up to "Fly." 6) Is there any connection between _You Will Go to the Moon_ and the children's book of the same name? Yes. Dave has said that he wrote the song as a bit of an homage to the book. It is not known if it's still in print, though. 7) What is the Indie Cassette I keep hearing about? Released in 1992, the indie cassette was the band's first released studio recording. As its name implies, it was independently made and sold at the band's show. The band sold out of the first run of tapes and had more printed up. Eventually the indie cassette, containing 6 songs from the days of Fruvous busking on the street: "BJ Don't Cry", "The Drinking Song", "King of Spain", "Gulf War Song", "Spiderman", and the only studio recording of "Green Eggs and Ham" ever to be released, went gold in Canada. 5 of the 6 songs from the indie cassette were rerecorded for the band's first major label full-studio album, _Bargainville_. 8) Where can I get the Indie Cassette? The indie cassette was a limited printing run and is no longer available. Many people have gotten indie tapes from browsing used record stores all across Canada, combined with extreme luck. A mint condition, unopened copy of the indie cassette is currently the prize for 2500 Frumiles. There have been people who attempt to sell indie cassettes (and sometimes even copies of the indie cassette) on the internet auctions sites like eBay. These auctions sometime fetch enormous amounts of money. At FruCon II, Jian stated that the band doesn't really like this reselling of original indie cassettes for very high prices. Reselling copies of the indie cassette is illegal and immoral. Please do not buy duplicates of the indie cassette and when considering purchasing an original indie cassette, realize the band gets no money from your sale, while all you get is a momento tape containing 6 songs that you can hear elsewhere for no money at all. There exist a couple copies of the indie cassette pressed onto CD (originals - not CDRs made from cassettes). A CD version of the indie cassette was the prize given for being the first to complete the Fruvous Crossword puzzle, and a couple of copies were raffled at Fruhead Conventions past. Many people who have opened originals are willing to duplicate their indie cassette to get it to fans who want to hear it. This is, of course, on the condition that no profit is made from the recording, and it is merely for the enjoyment of the fan. Section: Songs and Lyrics 1) Where can I get a copy of "Green Eggs and Ham"? A studio recording of "Green Eggs and Ham" is no longer available. It was the only one of the six tracks on the indie tape that was not rerecorded for _Bargainville_. It was also included as a hidden track on a three-song "sampler" tape Fruvous offered after _Bargainville_ was released. They will probably never record it again, though. Hearsay is that Dr. Seuss' will states that his material can only be used and licensed for educational purposes. Odds being against your finding the indie or sampler tape, your best bet is to ask someone to copy it for you. Fruvous frequently performs this at their live shows, usually segued from King of Spain into a shortened version of the song with the additional perk of Murray's bass line. The long version of the song is a special treat live, and usually includes some of the old costumes and banter from the original version of the song. 2) Where can I find the lyrics to "Johnny Saucep'n," "Your New Boyfriend," etc? http://www.fruvous.com/lyric.html is Fruvous Dot Com's lyrics section. It archives all the lyrics from all the albums, lyrics from many of the unreleased songs, and several versions of lyrics as they changed over time. FDC's lyrics are usually annotated with who is singing when, which comes in very handy sometimes. 3) Where can I get translations of the French songs? These pop up from time to time: several people have tried their hand and put the results on alt.music.moxy-fruvous. Fruvous Dot Com archives these with the other lyrics at http://www.fruvous.com/lyric.html. 4) Where can I find tabulature for Fruvous songs? Tab (usually guitar tab) for Moxy Fruvous songs is also kept on Fruvous Dot Com under the "Moxy's Music" section - - http://www.fruvous.com/music.html. Be aware that for the most part, these are people's individual interpretations, not from published music. This tab is available for not-for-profit uses and all song rights are owned by Moxy Fruvous. One of the prizes for the Frumiles card is a "campfire songbook," promising a collection of songs with complete lyrics and chords. Once you hit 1500 Frumiles, you can tell all the rest of us what the lyrics and chords really are. 5) Where can I find vocal sheet music for Fruvous songs? Fruvous Dot Com also has some vocal music and written out MIDI for some songs at http://www.fruvous.com/music.html. Sing Out! magazine also published the sheet music for Greatest Man in America in Fall of 1996. This is also available on FDC. 6) Where can I find sound files of Fruvous songs? FDC has sound samples under "Multi-Media." For links to other sound bytes, check out http://www.cdnow.com http://www.columbiahousecanada.com 7) Which band member wrote which songs? Do they collaborate? Each of the band members is a songwriter in his own right, and some of the songs are collaborations. It would take too long to list which songs were the product of whose minds, nor are all of the songs' authors known, and the band seems to like to keep that, among many other things, in doubt. A few examples, though, are that "Greatest Man in America" is a collaboration, "Fly" is Jian's, "Love Set Fire" is Murray's, "Down From Above" is Mike's, and "The Drinking Song," contrary to expectations, is Dave's. Many times it is assumed that the Frulad singing lead vocals is the primary writer of the song, but there are contradictions to this (for example the aforementioned Drinking Song). 8)* What's the song that they perform with the refrain, "Hey little bird, fly away home"? Tom Waits' "Jockey Full of Bourbon." The original lyrics are on FDC. There's now a released version on _Live Noise_. Tom Waits original version is available on _Rain Dogs_. 9) Is it a female voice or Mike's voice during the intro to the studio version of "Green Eggs and Ham"? Prior to the second Fruhead Convention in Toronto ON in 1999, the band led on that it was not a male voice singing the intro scat to the indie cassette version of Green Eggs and Ham. During FruCon II, it was let slip that the voice on the recording was actually Mike Ford singing in a high voice, and the tape was sped up a bit to get the odd sound. 10) Who says "Swing it" on the studio version of "Gotta Get a Message to You"? Mike Ford's wife, Terri. 11) Is the "lowest highest point" really in Delaware? No, it turns out that even Fruvous is capable of spreading misinformation. Gordon Elgart provides the correct statistics and the explanation for us: "The lowest highest point is Florida, 345 feet in Walton County. The lowest _mean_ elevation is Delaware at 60 feet. The trivial pursuit card places Delaware at the lowest highest elevation of 60 feet. That is the mean elevation, thus the obvious error on the Trivial Pursuit card. The question should have said "Which U.S. state has the lowest mean elevation of 60 feet"? Horn Abbot was not famous for its editing ability." See the Trivial Pursuit card that started the madness and judge for yourself: Front: http://www.fruvous.com/miscpics/trivial1.gif Back: http://www.fruvous.com/miscpics/trivial2.gif Section: Fruvous Characters 1) Who is Larry Boniface Clebdon? Who is Barry? LBC, as he is sometimes known, is the "budgie dog" who appears on the front of _Bargainville_, among other places. Barry is the yellow budgie-dog-like creature on the back of _The B Album_, and elsewhere. They and their siblings are drawn by Mike and tend to appear randomly on albums and merchandise. 2) Who is Lazlo? Lazlo is John Shotwell, Fruvous' old soundman, with them through the end of 1996 and rejoining them briefly in the summer of '97. "Lazlo" is said to be either a nickname Fruvous gave him or his professional name. After John, Trevor joined the band for a few months in the spring and summer of '97, and Cal, who predates John, rejoined them after John's summer stint. Lazlo the Soundman is said NOT to be the Lazlo from "Lazlo's Career", and that that Lazlo is a sprite that follows the Frubus around. 3) What's a Laika? Laika was a dog that participated in the Soviet Space Program. Here's what Rodney Elin had to say about it: "The Laika of the song was the first dog in space. She was also the first animal in space. Laika's flight on Sputnik II, 3 Nov 1957, was primarily to see if animals would stay alive in space, or in Soviet space capsules, and to see if telemetry (remote monitoring of stuff like heartrate) worked after launch. Laika was 'left in space', to burn up in the atmosphere. There was never any plan or controversy in 1957: she was going up and she was going to burn up and die on reentry (6 days later). Once launched, there was not really a controversy. There was no return capability on Sputnik or any space vehicle. A picture, not for the squirmish, is available at http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/space_level2/laika.html As far as the song goes, Laika is held as one of the symbols ushering in the space age. (As are Sputnik, Yuri Gagarin, John Glenn and Neil Armstrong.)" 4) Who is Dusty Fosterbourd? Dusty Fosterbourd appears in the Fruvous Song "That's Any Good." He's a British Invasion Hero, who had one huge hit, "That's Any Good." He, along with the Dustettes - Skeet, Reg, and Stig - come out to sing their hit when they make their comebacks. He looks an awful lot like Murray Foster in real life. 5) Who is Grandpa Fruvous? Grandpa Fruvous is a rancid-smelling ancient being from before the dawn of time. He's had some great fun with many famous people (including many old US presidents, actors, and celebrities) usually driving around in all sorts of old-school cars like the Lincoln Biscayne or a Mercury trying to hit things with them. Grandpa wears a stylish hat and loves old-fashioned sing alongs. He performs "Minnie the Moocher" on stage with Fruvous, usually coming out for outdoor shows or special shows. If you can stand the smell long enough to get a good look at him, Grandpa Fruvous looks an awful lot like Mike Ford. 6) Who is Lou? Usually with his sleeves rolled up and his trusty blublockers on, Lou Reed sings with Moxy Fruvous on the Dancing Queen Medley. Introduced as the poet of New York and former leader of the Velvet Underground, Lou usually enters the stage to chants of "Lou." He also normally has some poetry prepared for the event. Under the blublockers, Lou has a striking resemblance to Mike Ford. 7) Who is Marion Fruvous Toronto's first environmental crusader, Marion Fruvous is a modern day folk hero. She pops up on stage with Moxy Fruvous, who may have in fact gotten their name from the environmental crusader, when they perform the "Ballad of Marion Fruvous." Marion's message encourages not only recycling, which many times simply fills landfills, but also encourages reducing the amount of waste you generate. Incredibly beautiful, Marion used to look a whole lot like David Hyde Pierce, but must have shaved her head at some point. She also seems to have grown some facial hair and has never appeared on stage at the same time as Dave Matheson for some odd reason. Section: Fruvous-Related Links and Information 1) What other bands might a fan of Fruvous be interested in? Early in their career, Fruvous was frequently compared with fellow Canadian indie band Barenaked Ladies: both are famed for excellent concerts, both topped the indie charts and then went on to sign large record deals, and both have varied and "quirky" musical styles. The two have diverged largely in the last few years, and few people think them very similar anymore; but many followers of one band enjoy music by the other. They Might Be Giants fans also have quite a bit of reciprocity with Fruvous fans. The question frequently comes up of whether Fruvous are TMBG fans; the answer is clearly "yes," as members of the band have been known to spout random TMBG lines and make up songs from TMBG tunes (particularly "Particle Man"). They joined forces with Da Vinci's Notebook ( http://www.davincisnotebook.com ) to cover "Shoehorn With Teeth" on DVN's album _Bendy's Law_. Fruheads tend to have diverse tastes, not easily pigeonholed; you'll catch a mention of Bela Fleck in one thread, XTC in another, Salamander Crossing here and Beethoven there. Other artists you might now and again hear discussion of on this newsgroup include - but obviously aren't limited to - Eddie From Ohio, a female-fronted quartet from Virginia, intelligent and unusual themes, strong harmonies, good use of harmonica and bass, and all out fun folk music; http://www.efohio.com Ben Folds Five, a piano/bass/percussion alterna-rock trio, a favorite of Murray and Jian; http://www.benfoldsfive.com Dan Bern, an incredible song-writer and an extremely wide-ranged, say what he's thinking folk artist; http://www.dbhq.com yeP!, a Massachusetts-based funk-rock/bluegrass/jazz band who have played with Fruvous before, now on extended hiatus; http://www.cs.umass.edu/~jg/yep.html The Nields, a Western Massachusetts five-piece band - three named "Nields" and three named "Dave"; two are couple. You figure it out; http://www.nields.com Jim's Big Ego, a Boston punk-rap-acoustic-folk-satire caffeine-laced trio fronted by Jim Infantino; http://www.bigego.com Arrogant Worms, a popular Canadian acoustic humor band, silly and fun; http://www.cyberus.ca/~jeffmay/worms/worms.htm Great Big Sea, a Canadian pop-Celtic group, now breaking into the U.S. market and admired for their energy and Maritime themes; http://www.greatbigsea.com Tory Cassis, friend/co-writer with the band, a Canadian acoustic/swing artist whose debut album is released in Canada on True North; http://www.crosswinds.net/toronto/~tcassis Guster, 3 guys with a lot of pop talent, have played with Fruvous before; http://www.guster.com Susan Werner, a labelmate of Fruvous in the United States, plays a very rich folk sound; http://www.susanwerner.com Johny Vegas, a Syracuse NY-based, very solid pop group has played with Fruvous many times; http://www.johnyvegas.com The band admires the Beatles, Stevie Wonder and Elvis Costello; Jian has been known to plug the Talking Heads; Mike admires the Rheostatics; and Dave - well, Dave knows everything by everyone. This FAQ does not claim or attempt to address anything but the most basic of questions which you might have about Moxy Fruvous and the alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup. There are also possible errors contained herein: if you know, or even suspect, that an answer given is wrong, please feel free to followup this post or email ammf-faq@fruvous.com. There are many excellent websites out there, FDC being only one, and you are encouraged to read there the history of the group; personal reviews of the concerts; articles on and interpretations of Fruvous's music, albums, and career; introductions and stories from other fans, and so on. Questions are welcome, posting is encouraged, and get out there and meet people at shows! Credits: Many thanks go out to Colleen Campbell, creator and initial maintainer of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ. Without her, this whole thing would never have been started. A ton of thanks to Jude Coombe at Moxy Fruvous Headquarters for posting helpful official information to the newsgroup. Official involvement in alt.music.moxy-fruvous is really appreciated as it helps keep the denizens in line. Also, another myriad of "thank you"'s and "huzzahs" to Chris O'Malley, keeper of Fruvous Dot Com ( http://www.fruvous.com ) and all around excellent fellow. Thanks to Chris for having a space for the FAQ on FDC and updating it there for me. Thanks to Gordon Elgart for the information provided in Song and Lyrics Question #11. Thanks to Chris "Moz" Moesel for scanning in the Trivial Pursuit card for Fruvous Dot Com. Thanks to Rodney Elin for the information provided in Fruvous Characters Question #3. Thanks to Joe Navratil for sending the post that is archived in Appendix A and starting the acronym listing that has become Appendix C. Thanks to Lori Martin for the AOL info from Fruvous Internet Resources question #3. Thanks to Jason Reiser for setting up the FAQ autoresponder. Helpful proofreaders without whom this FAQ would be full of "teh"s, usage of past tense instead of present tense, and other miscellaneous badness: Vika Zafrin, Jennifer Cenicola, Amanda Potter, Ken Perschke, Mary Krause, Jennifer Schlosser, Liza Q. Wirtz, Traci Poli, Jason Reiser, Andi Andrzejewski, Lori Martin, and Melanie Barbarito. (End part 3/4) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #868 ********************************************