From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #841 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, September 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 841 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Food for thought on Tapers [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead] Re: Arab names ["Zainab" ] Re: conan show [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (jolene.)] Re: second Conan song [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (jolene.)] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [srm9988n@aol.co] Re: second Conan song [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (jolene.)] Re: 2nd Conan song? [Lynne ] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [SugarFly26@aol.] Re: Moxy Fruvous Webcast?? ["Adam Hartfield" ] Re: Food for thought on Tapers [Lynne ] Re: second Conan song [timiny ] shows and stuff [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: 2nd Conan song? [timiny ] Re: Food for thought on Tapers ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: second Conan song ["Lindsay Lion" ] Re: *itinerary* [pookytoby@aol.com (Erin Ireland)] Re: second Conan song [Aryn - Marietta Eaton ] All of the Above ["Gella R. Solomon" ] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [spychicr@aol.co] Re: Arab names [Josh Drury ] Re: Question about banter (kind of long) [Josh Drury ] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [bbwminors@aol.c] Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) [sittin'onthecou] Re: Question about banter (kind of long) [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross H] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Sep 1999 18:59:21 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers Josh said: >I taped this show from the soundboard, and distributed >it quite widely. I got Cal's clearance before the show (of course, since >it was a board patch), and I also got Jian's clearance to distribute the >tape after the show. I asked him if he wanted Grudge to be snipped off, >and he said that it was my call and didn't have strong feelings either >way. So the tape circulated. It wasn't until around two months later, when >the show was already heavily circulated, that I was told by a non-Fruvous >member that Jian didn't want it circulated. So the show was taped and >*distributed* with the band's blessing, at least originally. Okay. Josh is the second taper who's told me something along these lines about this particular show. This indicates to me that perhaps the band itself needs to clarify the issue among themselves, so they aren't relying on one member's spur-of-the-moment judgment call, only to later have second thoughts that cause them to try to stuff the escaped cat back in the bag. That appears to me to be what happened here, at least from the tapers' perspective. I don't want to spur arguments either among the band members, or between the band and the tapers, but I really think there does need to be some clarification here. Otherwise similar situations -- of misunderstanding, or of reconsidering a statement of permission only after an action's been taken that can't be undone -- are likely to crop up. And I can't see that being good for anyone involved. Josh, if you feel I've accused you in any way, I'm sorry. I don't know for a fact that your tapes were the ones the band member who spoke to me was talking about. (This was NOT Jian.) No names were mentioned. I just know that he indicated he was under the impression that the show was not supposed to be distributed from the start, and he, or they, were not happy that it had been. To me, that indicates that there was miscommunication or disagreement among the band itself on the issue -- and that's something they need to work out among themselves, before they tell tapers what they do or do not authorize. - -- Lori, not liking this particular can of arrogant worms. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:17:06 GMT From: "Zainab" Subject: Re: Arab names Sure as hell is! Zainab >>Riyadh...which is a male name but still is awesome! > >Um... Isn't this the capital of Saudi Arabia? > >--nicole twn >*** >"Some people think I'm neurotic and all, but I'm not; I just like to >think about things over and over and over again..."--Eddie From Ohio >Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn >Reply-to address is INCORRECT! Think of it as an intelligence test. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 19:19:56 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (jolene.) Subject: Re: conan show > >>>but I've heard a couple of different people tell me they're gone, as well >as >standbys.<< > >I thought standbys were onlygiven out the day of the show. Am I wrong? standbys are given out at 9 am the day of the show. (in order of who arrived. so... get there no later than 7. ;)) >~jen (one damn hurricane and I'm 400 messages behind ;-P ) no excuse for me, and i'm 354 *threads* behind. i don't even want to _think_ about individual messages. ;p sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "let's not raise the roof." -- conan o'brien ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 19:10:07 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (jolene.) Subject: Re: second Conan song >I just thought of something. Sometimes bands do get 2 >songs on Conan. He'll hold up the CD and introduce >them, they'll play their song, he'll wander over and >talk to them for a minute and then they'll play an >other song under the closing credits. um, that's not true. i watch the show every night, hell, it's my favourite show. the band playing over the credits is the max weinberg 7 (temporarily the jimmy vivino 7, really) ...and they're playing the closing Late Night theme. sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "let's not raise the roof." -- conan o'brien ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 19:10:11 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) Nate elaborated: >Speaking of which... the first time I saw Rocky Horror Picture Show, I >watched it with my Mom. >:) > >I was about 13 or 14? > >*That* was a tad uncomfortable. > >hehehe >nate > > >Ross Hendry wrote: >> >> Just as an afterthough, I would happily watch a film full of swearing >> with my parents or go to a show but I would never, ever watch Chasing >> Amy with them! Weird huh? Umm, would this have anything to do with not wanting to have to explain a few things to the parental units? ;) - -- Lori, who *still* doesn't share most of what she watches/reads with her Mom, for precisely this reason. My *son* approaches such things with more understanding (not that he's nearly ready for Rocky Horror, but still ... ) ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 19:14:36 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (jolene.) Subject: Re: second Conan song > Other people (like BNL) just have to wait and see >how well the SNL writers did that week. If they had a lot of really great >material, the musical guest loses out. what's sad is who's calling this writing "great". when bnl were on, they were shafted out of a second song for one of the lamest skits i've ever seen.. i think it had something to do with gwyneth paltrow advertising a phone sex hotline or something. it was horrid. >Also, I think it'll be a long time before Früvous ever gets on SNL. BNL >was >only on after they had a number one, top 40 single. unless they chum up with dan ackroyd a la the tragically hip. :) the hip got 2 songs, i believe (although, that was back when everyone got 2 songs).. and the hip are pretty much unheard of in the states. :p sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "let's not raise the roof." -- conan o'brien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:56:55 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: 2nd Conan song? Lori at fruhead dot com said: ><< I think PIsco would stick in people heads... and > what a tease that they won't be able to get it.. >> I think the original poster meant that people couldn't *obtain* the song, as it's not on any studio recording, not that they wouldn't understand it. right there with me, Lori!! :) that is what I meant *hi5* - -Lynne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:52:23 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) The lurker Bobbi wrote: << I think Lowest Highest Point rap is amusing EXCEPT for the continual use of the f-word. >> I like LHP too. I agree that they go a little excessive on the use of fuck, but what I meant to say and came out confusing or not at all in my post was that in some parts of Lowest Highest Point it sounds okay or right, but in other parts it almost sounds like using it just to use it. Argh. Nevermind. - ------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:34:54 -0400 From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous Webcast?? wrote in message news:7sb1sf$hgt$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Does anyone know if this is current and is going to happen, I just ran > across it on the web... > > http://onnow.com/excite/events/event11059.htmpl?x=44&y=7 > > If so... cool! No, that is the 1998 performance from Martyr's in Chicago. It's a good show. The audio-only file has 15 extra minutes of footage including the raffling of the Nields chess set to Ronald Maruszak ("out of all our fans, he's almost the best one yet")... - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:08:09 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers I have observed Josh and Jian interact quite frequently. I would take Josh's word on this particular topic. (not that I know of anyone disagreeing) but the first time I spoke to Murray about being from BG he asked if I knew Josh from there. From my impression of Josh (who I promised to stalk last Friday :)) he would ABSOLUTELY never do anything against the bands wishes, and would check with them first before doing anything they might find questionable. I think we are SOOOOOO lucky that the tapers actually choose to distribute the stufff they get. They could be greedya nd keep all that energy and outstanding-ness (is that a word?) to themselves!!! I don't know, but I do believe that most well known tapers are well known to the band and I can not imaging them wanting to offend or hurt them in ANY way.. - -my .05 :) - -Lynne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:56:30 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: second Conan song In article <7s9qcr$46v$1@winter.news.rcn.net>, "Kate Leahy" wrote: > >This is the _writers'_ definition of "really great > material" we're > >going by, right? > Well, prolly the producer. I really don't know who > has final say in what > makes the show and what doesn't. My guess would be > that Lorne Michaels has > final veto. Isn't Lorne Michaels dead? - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:41:41 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: shows and stuff Ok, so I have the official word from my parents that I won't need to feel guilty about missing Thanksgiving dinner. This means I'm going to try to make the Rochester, Montreal, and Ottawa shows. It also means I'll need crash space in all three places, although I suppose I really just need space in Rochester and Ottawa (since Ottawa is pretty close to Montreal) So please email me if you have space I can borrow for a few nights. Also, are my eyes deceiving me or are the Ottawa shows really only $7.20US? And before anyone asks, *yes*, I am completely insane. :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:43:16 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: 2nd Conan song? wrote: > Well, it would be *interesting*, but I think I'd > rather see them play > another, completely different type of track from > Thornhill - like If Only > You Knew, or something. Playing Splatter, Splatter > and, say, Pisco would > probably only succeed in getting them stuck with the > "Humorour A Cappella > Folk Group" label in America, too. I think Splatter, > Splatter demonstrates > they same qualities that Marion Früvous does without > the dense imagery and > inside-jokery. It's place is at shows, not really on > TV. > This same debate circled on the BNL group right before > they went on SNL. > The reminder that kept circling as people said "They > should play 'Box Set,' > dammit!" and "Wouldn't it totally rock if they played > 'The Flag'?" was > "They're not on SNL for us. They're on SNL for the > person who lives in the > woods in Arkansas who's never heard of them. They're > also there to sell > albums." Well, if they said they're going to play Splatter Splatter I can guarantee they will play IWHO. When any band appears on national television to present their new album, what do they play? The single. They HAVE to play IWHO. It may not be our most famous song and we may wish for something else but you can guarantee they'll play it. Otherwise, why would it be a single? We already know they're going to do IWHO and Splatter Splatter (given the source is correct that they said they'd play that song). - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:30:15 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers >Aren't we blowing this out of proportion slightly? It's a 1/2" pole. >Move a couple inches left or right and it will be between Jian and Mike >so you can see everything. More than 2/3 of the shows I've been to, >there have been no mic stands. Of those remaining, maybe 5 or 6 of >them the taper had to setup in the middle of the audience because of >the configuration of the venue and when that happened, the taper >got there early and setup so that people new what was up and what >they were standing behind and had ample chance to move to a better >spot. I don't understand what more you can ask than this. Anything >more to me, would be borderline unreasonable. This has been bugging me a bit too. The first time I ever saw a mic stand, I was at a Dave Matthews show in ninth grade. This was spring 1995, and they were playing someplace like the TLA. My friends and I got inside, and as we milled around, we noticed a couple of tapers setting up. They had tall stands and microphones. It immediately occured to me that they were recording the concert. I decided to stand somewhere else. Is it really that cryptic? Do people really *not* understand what's going on when they see microphones? Is a mic stand *that* much of a view-obstructor? I got the concept in tenth grade, and now that I know more about it, I understand it better, and *really* don't see what the big deal is. Stand somewhere else. Chances are good that tapers aren't going to be in the front row, so there's really not much problem finding a spot somewhere that isn't "blocked" by a mic stand. ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:17:46 -0500 From: "Lindsay Lion" Subject: Re: second Conan song > Isn't Lorne Michaels dead? > -Matt No, he's alive, but Lorne Greene is dead ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 20:06:23 GMT From: pookytoby@aol.com (Erin Ireland) Subject: Re: *itinerary* > Gramcracker wrote: > > Am I the only person on earth the nov.24 in rochester date is > reallyreallyreallyreallyreally reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally good > for? I am so glad that it isn't a day earlier, since I'm getting home from my trip to St. Louis, MO the morning of the 24th. I'll just make it!! ><}}}*>~Erin~<*{{{>< "Tomorrow is a fresh new day with no mistakes in it yet." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:26:14 GMT From: Aryn - Marietta Eaton Subject: Re: second Conan song I've seen it happen once or twice. I know it happened last winter with some grunge sounding band who's name I can't remember. Watching Conan was the only thing me and my insane room mate could agree on last year. Aryn, who still really needs a nap > > > um, that's not true. i watch the show every > night, hell, it's my favourite > show. the band playing over the credits is the > max weinberg 7 (temporarily > the jimmy vivino 7, really) ...and they're playing > the closing Late Night > theme. > > > sarah > linnellgirl@tmbg.org > http://members.aol.com/limezinger > "let's not raise the roof." -- conan o'brien > > ===== Aryn - Marietta Eaton replay to ~lanna@fruhead.com Caelfind ni Mullen (called Alanna) Chatalaine, shire of Innersea Self profrssed Star Wars, U2, and Moxy Fruvous Fanatic "Last week has now been offically CANCELLED!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:55:14 -0400 From: "Gella R. Solomon" Subject: All of the Above I've thought about this a bit. I can only speak for myself of course... I think most of us want what's best for the band, but when I mention Fruvous to friends and aquaintances I always mention their "relatively small but freakishly devoted fan-base" and the fact that their relative (though increasingly less so) obscurity allows them to be very close and friendly with concert goers, and that we very much like it that way. Jian has commented on the fact that they are not an MTV sort of band and *they* like it that way. While Beatle-proportion popularity would be great for the frulads financially, I think it would probably take a lot of the substance of what Fruvous is out of the band. I'm not saying don't tell people about Moxy. By all means, do. Tell everyone! Tell the world! Most of them will be too stupid to appreciate them anyway. That's why I'm not too worried. In order to gain THAT much popularity, I think they would probably have to dumb down their music and/or lyrics a ! bit and I *really* don't think our guys would do that. Or... I could be wrong. Don't talk about them! Tear down posters! Play their albums in sound-sealed rooms only! For God's sake, don't let this happen! Gella ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 20:34:27 GMT From: spychicr@aol.com (Rachel Marie) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) << Most of the banter usually has to do with more topics of general audience, and since this venue was 18+ and a bar, i don't think they would actually say that if there were youngsters there (no offense to those that are under 18).>> To tell you the truth, I think I hear worse stuff at marching band and hanging around my friends then I do at Fruvous concerts. Do not worry. --Rachel, who has tabs, yet no umlaut on this computer. Which is better? ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Gag me with a spork. Or not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:49:53 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Arab names Nicole the Wonder Nerd wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:51:10 -0500, someone who looked like "Zainab" > whispered: > >Riyadh...which is a male name but still is awesome! > > Um... Isn't this the capital of Saudi Arabia? Yup. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:45:07 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Question about banter (kind of long) Ross Hendry wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:29:41 GMT, "A.J. LoCicero" > wrote: > > > > >To summarize: Shit is worse than an orgasm. Anyone disagree? :) > > > >A.J. > > Well, if I was a parent I think I would be more tolerant of my kid > saying "I need a shit" rather than "I need an orgasm!" ;-) > Hey, lighten up! Maybe the kid is just asking for a certain type of alcoholic beverage... ;) Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:41:32 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) Winnie da Fru aka Sara wrote: > That reminds me of when I was a camp counsellor and hearing kids behind me > in the bus singing "Shut up and sleep with me, come on why don't you sleep > with me?" Oh, this song brings back too many memories. First time I heard it was at our grad dance, when my German-descended friend and others pestered the DJ all night to hear it. When He finally played it, we made a huge conga line and did the "shopping cart". Also, said friend once had an exchange student friend from Germany staying at his house; at one party while he was here he brought out his "FetenHits" CD (including that great song) and played it several times over the evening while he taught us obscure German clapping games. Unfortunately that FetenHits disc also included G&R's "Paradise City" which he played no less than a dozen times to everyone else's chagrin. Good times... Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:39:18 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: Food for thought on Tapers In article <37E7A839.AB6AB408@fruhead.com>, Chad Maloney wrote: > If we are > going to continue to have problems like this, maybe we need to > have the band put their foot down and live with where it > ends up standing. In case it needed to be said... *applause*. > If Fruvous wanted to become a jamband like that, yeah, they need > to be a bit more formal about it. But for those bands, touring > is their life. Fruvous is still on the fence to me. Touring > is the bands life right now because it has to be. This is the first logical reason I've seen for Fruvous's ambivalence towards taping, and the first comparison that made sense, too. Just saying, "but those are bigger, more well-known bands" means nothing. So what? Organized taping can still exist in smaller venues, on a smaller scale. I've seen it. > If Fruvous > could be the next Grateful Dead, I'd have wonderful stories to > tell my children (after teaching them to swear and steal others > lunch money of course) about the early days. And then of course > all the "I miss Jian" all over the place after he dies... My first reaction to this: how morbid! ;) My second: OK, got the proper response out of the way. Hee hee. But first he'd have to get a lot heavier and pick up some more bad habits, and trade the stylish threads for green sweats and a black t-shirt. [1] And instead of the Not Fade Away and Thank You Jerry bumper stickers, we'd have We Will Hold On and I WANTED YOUR BABY, JIAN! My third response: Jeez, listen to me. Now I'm being even more morbid than Chad was. peace, ellen [1] It was occasionally the topic of hot debate on rec.music.gdead whether he had many pairs of the same sweats, or just the one pair. We know the t-shirt varied from night to night. *************************************** Requesting some enlightenment... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 21:04:57 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) OK, I'm getting back into this "songs you love to sing at camp when you're 13" thread ... Of course, I was 13 in 1973 (you do the math, not pretty sight) ... one of the girls in my bunk had the tape "Son of Schmilsson" (somehow I know that's not spelled right but can't figure out why) by Harry Nilsson ... the first song was called "Take 54," very catchy and boppy with the line "I sang my balls off for you baby." Well, all I can say is that a bunk of 8 13-year-old girls in 1973, we thought that was the funniest, most risque thing we'd ever heard and got into much trouble with the OD counselors (in those days it meant "on duty" after dark). It took about a week before we got further into the tape and discovered "You're breaking my heart, you tear it apart so fuck you." You can only imagine ... L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:18:17 GMT From: sittin'onthecouch@home.com (The Toolman) Subject: Re: Question about banter (was Comments on Detroit 9/17) On 22 Sep 1999 20:34:27 GMT, spychicr@aol.com (Rachel Marie) pondered for a while, and then wrote: > --Rachel, who has tabs, yet no umlaut on this computer. Which is better? Hey, Rachel..it's easy to umlaut--hit this.. hold down ALT - then hit 252 presto..an ümlaut! Cheers! Tim, Robin and Kelsey aka DeadHead, Robinkat and ElfChild aka 'The Three Früüges' "20 is plenty" - Dave Matheson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:30:43 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Question about banter (kind of long) On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:45:07 -0500, Josh Drury wrote: >> >> Well, if I was a parent I think I would be more tolerant of my kid >> saying "I need a shit" rather than "I need an orgasm!" ;-) >> > >Hey, lighten up! Maybe the kid is just asking for a certain type of >alcoholic beverage... ;) > >Josh Drury >Winnipeg > Er, I think that joke passes me by. "NEW! Have you had an Orgasm today? Why not pick one up at you local 7-11 on the way home?! Orgasm; only $4.99 + tax!" Hmmm, how long before we have that in adverts? ;-) Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #841 ********************************************