From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #801 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, September 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 801 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Rockman Optical Wah Wah Pedals $55.95 3940 [Gemcomusic@cs.com] Electric Guitars starting at just $99.95 154 [Gemcomusic@cs.com] Good Cleveland Info! [Donna Hunt ] kind of OT - EFO review [Bridget ] Re: BG [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: kind of OT - EFO review [vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Good Cleveland Info! [Joe Navratil ] Re: Moxy on Conan (was Re: (no subject)) [samoq@aol.com (Samoq)] dave's voice [Taryn Chase ] Re: Good Cleveland Info! [coondog42@my-deja.com] Re: Good Cleveland Info! [Amanda.K.Potter@Dartmouth.EDU (Amanda K. Potter] Re: Moxy on Conan [Ellen ] Re: BG [Ellen ] dave's voice (was: Re: 4-part harmony . . . delicious!) ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: Wood typos ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: What a Day [Melanie ] Re: dave's voice ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: conan tickets [gingee@my-deja.com] Re: Good Cleveland Info! ["Mer Mer" ] The IWHO Video [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: Moxy on Conan (was Re: (no subject)) [llesi@aol.com (Llesi)] Re: dave's voice (was: Re: 4-part harmony . . . delicious!) [Lawrence P S] Re: Good Cleveland Info! [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot c] Re: dave's voice (was: Re: 4-part harmony . . . delicious!) [srm9988n@aol] Re: dave's voice [Ellen ] I haven't heard it [SugarFly26@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 03:55:51 GMT From: Gemcomusic@cs.com Subject: Rockman Optical Wah Wah Pedals $55.95 3940 Brand New with factory Warrantee. 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I just got back from a show at the Odeon (where Fruvous will be playing on Friday--Friday! Friday!) and it looks a *lot* better than the last time I was there! Yay! Great crowd tonight, too... I was impressed! Even ran into some Fruheads who were in disguise as efo fans. :) The point is-- Yay Odeon! :) [But be careful after the show, folks, there's been a bit of crime late night in the flats lately.] Hands up! Who will I see there?! ciao, donna - ---I don't think I'm sleepin' til Monday night. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:40:57 GMT From: Bridget Subject: kind of OT - EFO review Well, it's 1:30 in the morning and I have to work tomorrow. But, because I love to write reviews, and because I feel the performance truly warrants it, here is a review of my very first Eddie From Ohio show... I first heard EFO a few months back on the continual recommendations from fellow Früheads. I bought cd's blindly, having never heard the band. I was hooked immediately. So imagine how ecstatic I was when I found that they were coming to Colorado... (o; Now, in the spirit of the recent "things I've learned by being a Frühead" posts... here are the "Things I've Learned at my First EFO Show": - -The Danny Shafer Band rocks. I think it was the electric mandolin that really hooked me... I have to find out if this is a local band, and if so, see them again! - -In the words of Rob, "Eddie Hartness is a percussion god". Eddie Hartness also intimidates me so much that all I can manage to stammer in his presence is, "I just wanted to say 'hi'. The show was amazing." Eddie Hartness also has an incredibly endearing smile, and I hope to have a chance to make a better impression very very soon... (o: - -There are a LOT of Virginia transplants in Colorado. - -Robbie Schaefer is cute *grin*. - -If I never see a concert at a 16,000 seat venue again, it'll be too soon. - -Julie Murphy Wells has an incredible voice that studio recordings just can't quite capture. - -Australians who relocate to Duluth are dangerous. - -Mike Clem is a great guy. His caricature of himself is EXTREMELY inaccurate in the nasal area, although he does a great caricature of a horse's ass... - -Früheads are greatly appreciated by EFO. - -Humility is very becoming. Especially when the humble one is a hero of mine. It makes it easy to tell him that his band is awesome. - -I adore bands who honor requests. - -I am very tired. - -Fair is fair. Since I wore my Früvous jersey to the show, I vowed to wear my new EFO t-shirt to a Früvous show next week. And I gave Mike my word that I'd rub Jian's face in it. - -I can't wait to see them again. - -Mike Clem loves to dis Mike Ford. But in a good way... (o: - -All it takes to turn a docile crowd into a mosh pit is two Früheads named Katrin and Bridget. - -EFO needs to come to Colorado more often. Because I can't afford to follow another band around the country. - -Folk music is great to dance to. - -Nothing is more cool than a band that hangs with the fans after a gig. - -Bass players really ARE that odd... - -Früvous hasn't quite cornered the market on the 4-part harmony. - -No matter how many times I hear it, the a cappella bridge in "Three Fine Daughters" will always send a chill down my spine. - -The guy who sings the bass part always makes my knees buckle. - -Früheads have great taste in music. And that's it. So, many thanks to anyone who unknowingly played a part in my discovery of this band. Dan, thanks for ordering me to go see them... even though I was already plannin' on it! And to anyone out there who HASN'T seen EFO live, do yourself a huge favor and GO if you get the chance. They are amazing. They are incredible. 'Nuff said, I guess. I have to get some sleep. Take care, y'all! === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "I don't need a compass to tell me which way the wind shines!" ~Mr. Furious, "Mystery Men" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 11:15:16 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: BG . . .groupie . . . FruHead . . .fan . . . I really don't care what they call me as long as I get to see Fruvous. ladywench "Music not danced to is music wasted." - Eileen Ivers, PFF 38 FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:41:37 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: kind of OT - EFO review Bridget said: >-The Danny Shafer Band rocks. I think it was the >electric mandolin that really hooked me... I have >to find out if this is a local band, and if so, >see them again! Hmm. If it were Danny Schaefer, I'd say he was related to Robbie Schaefer, guitarist and vocalist extraordinaire, stage Murray at EFO shows. :) >-Früheads are greatly appreciated by EFO. *chuckle* My friends and I went to see EFO at the Boston Folk Festival last year. While I was talking to Ofer (who set up the mail<-->news gateway for ammf and was doing merch for them that day) after the show, Julie came up to me and excitedly informed me "A *Fruhead* did our merch in San Francisco a couple of weeks ago! She's so cool! Her name's Nicole, maybe you know her?" Yes, Julie. :) >-Mike Clem loves to dis Mike Ford. But in a good >way... (o: Well, he deserves it, the f***er. :) (Just *kidding*!!!) >-Früvous hasn't quite cornered the market on the >4-part harmony. Did they do the Irish Blessing at the show? Oh, the harmony on that. It IS delicious. >And to anyone out there who HASN'T seen EFO live, >do yourself a huge favor and GO if you get the >chance. They are amazing. They are incredible. Yesyesyes! - -v - ----- Vika Zafrin ----- vika@fruhead.com ----- "I am writing this an hour later and there is still a small demon in my stomach scratching to get out. And it's small and green and nasty. It murdered the antacid I gave it, and laughed." -Laura Lemay, re: wasabi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:25:00 +0000 From: Joe Navratil Subject: Re: Good Cleveland Info! Donna Hunt wrote: > > Hands up! Who will I see there?! > I'll be there, and I'll be bringing two people with me :-) Can't wait! -Joe ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 13:14:41 GMT From: samoq@aol.com (Samoq) Subject: Re: Moxy on Conan (was Re: (no subject)) Wow... only 5 weeks to buy a TV and a VCR, and figure out how to use them... I'd better take a few days off from work. ******************************************************************** Sharon samoq@aol.com "Know thyself? If I knew myself, I'd run away." - Goethe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:19:28 GMT From: Taryn Chase Subject: dave's voice christine expressed herself: < it seems to me that Dave's voice is the one that's changed the most dramatically over the course of Bargainville-->Thornhill Sure, they sounded a little younger in general, but comparing some of the songs that are on both CDs, it sounded like Dave was on helium or something.> does anybody else think this change might come from smoking a lot? i smoke on a semi-regular basis too (cloves) so don't take this as a dig... some of my all-time favorite singers do (or did) as well--but i've often wondered what effects on the voice there are, if any, in the long run. some might say that when you make your living *using* your vocal chords, you have more of a responsibility to maintain them--anybody think that's valid or care to comment? taryn (/who, incidentally, *will* shoot anyone who posts that clove smoking is worse than any other kind.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:31:17 GMT From: coondog42@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Good Cleveland Info! > Hands up! Who will I see there?! I'll be there!!! :) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:28:30 GMT From: Amanda.K.Potter@Dartmouth.EDU (Amanda K. Potter) Subject: Re: Good Cleveland Info! - --- Joe Navratil wrote: Donna Hunt wrote: > > Hands up! Who will I see there?! > I'll be there, and I'll be bringing two people with me :-) Can't wait! - --- end of quote --- =) Kaitlyn and I will be there! Yayyyy! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:59:32 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: Moxy on Conan In article <37D71F5A.C01FDAB0@radix.net>, chad schrock wrote: > Anyway, I thought that you went climbing on Columbus Day? any weekend's plans are subject change based on what i feel like doing on wednesday or thursday of that week. peace, ellen (hence my presence at the phish show in oswego) **************************************************************** It's not the colors that matter, but that we all fade away Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:04:20 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: BG In article <19990908230747.02101.00003661@ng-ca1.aol.com>, srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) wrote: > distinction can be like tilting at windmills. A Sisyphean task. etc. Whoa. Ca-reeeeepy! The other day when someone deconstructed DFA and talked about the line "make you run up and down that hill..." I thought of Sisyphus (sp?). peace, ellen (plate of shrimp! plate of shrimp!) **************************************************************** It's not the colors that matter, but that we all fade away Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:12:18 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: dave's voice (was: Re: 4-part harmony . . . delicious!) Christine wrote: >I don't think you're imagining it; it seems to me that Dave's voice >is the >one that's changed the most dramatically over the course of > >Bargainville-->Thornhill (never heard the indie tape, can't comment >on >that). My first Früvous album was Live Noise, and the second, > >Bargainville. Sure, they sounded a little younger in general, but > >comparing some of the songs that are on both CDs, it sounded like >Dave >was on helium or something. I've noticed this, too (just listen to "River Valley" and "Earthquakes" back to back). But I don't think this is unusual; it's normal for voices to grow and develop over the years, especially voices of people who sing for a living. If you've ever heard early 10,000 Maniacs (especially Hope Chest, which contains the 2 EPs they recorded while Natalie Merchant was still a teenager) and compared it to Natalie's solo work, you know what I mean. Carey http://www.angelfire.com/goovie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:36:34 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Wood typos limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (my friend goo) said: > something else to think of (or maybe not, i don't know.) ...how do the > fru-lads type? i actually don't know, they could all use proper structure and > whatnot.. i've never seen a post by any of them, but if their newsgroup typing > standards weren't up to your (*your* being general.. to whoever's complaining > about this all) standards.... would you criticize them? Of course not! We would EMULATE them! All of us, like lemmings! (Well since there are 4 of them I suppose there would be 4 styles created and then we all really WOULD be Jian's, Dave's, Murray's or Mike's people. ) After all how do you think that lisp thingy got into Castilian Spanish? The king had a speech impediment and everyone else adopted it because he was the King of Spain (or at least Castile.) Having an odd day, A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:48:12 GMT From: Melanie Subject: Re: What a Day Cara (Laika) wrote: >>To set the record straight I said that there are lots of fans of Fruvous that are varied and not every one is a "socialist trivia loving nerd like me". Then they went back to discussing sheep and goats.<< I love this. It just made me giggle; every time I re-read it. It is a great quote taken out of context. Thanks. I needed the giggle today. melanie "Love--and a bit with a dog. That's what they want." from Shakespeare in Love ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:14:50 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: dave's voice Taryn Chase wrote: > > > christine expressed herself: > > it seems to me that Dave's voice is the one that's changed the most > > dramatically over the course of Bargainville-->Thornhill > does anybody else think this change might come from smoking a lot? i smoke > on a semi-regular basis too (cloves) so don't take this as a dig... some > of my all-time favorite singers do (or did) as well--but i've often > wondered what effects on the voice there are, if any, in the long run. > some might say that when you make your living *using* your vocal chords, > you have more of a responsibility to maintain them--anybody think that's > valid or care to comment? I think it is very possible that smoking may have affected Dave's voice. Of course age probably has too. As far as responsibility, I think that recording artist or not, they are still HIS vocal cords, and they do NOT somehow become property of the collective. He does not OWE it to his listeners to stop smoking, that is his business alone. Do I have an opinion on whether Dave should smoke? Sure. I have an opinion on whether ANYONE should smoke. I think smoking is a disgusting nasty habit, and for me (and many others) it is unpleasant in many situations to be around smokers unless they are able to abstain. But my opinion is my opinion, and it carries little weight beyond me. I don't think more or less of Dave because of his smoking status. If I worry about the effects on his voice, that is not really concern for him, is it? It is actually more of a selfish thing--my not wanting to be deprived of more of his amazing singing. So while I do think that smoking may have an impact on Dave and Moxy Fruvous professionally, I don't really think it is something we should be discussing very much here. A.J. > taryn > (/who, incidentally, *will* shoot anyone who posts that clove smoking is > worse than any other kind.) Clove smoking IS worse for YOU, but for some of us non-smokers it is better because at least it doesn't smell so bad. Ironic isn't it? - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:51:25 GMT From: gingee@my-deja.com Subject: Re: conan tickets > 7 at the latest. they give out the tickets at 9, but the earlier you get there, the better. > sarah A little additional info on stand-by tickets: I was told by the NBC ticket desk that they give out 75 stand-by tickets beginning at 9 a.m., and then stand-bys get in based on how many actual ticket holders are no shows. So even if you get stand-bys, you are not guaranteed to get in. Rats! For me, anyway, this scheme would require going to NYC the night before, skipping work, staying over at a hotel to be in line at 6 or 7 a.m., then hanging around NYC all day not even knowing if I would be getting in to the taping around 5:30 p.m. I guess I'll just be content to stay home and watch and tape it. Did anyone on the newsgroup manage to get tickets for this, by the way? Cheers! gingee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:37:33 GMT From: "Mer Mer" Subject: Re: Good Cleveland Info! >From: Donna Hunt >Hands up! Who will I see there?! > I'll be there wearing a sign... if you don't know me yet, introduce yourself to me please!!! Mer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 16:25:56 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: The IWHO Video Am I the only one surprised to not yet have seen anyone's tales of the taping of the video? I can't imagine that NO ONE from this NG made it to Toronto to become a star!!! If you're holding out because you don't want us to be jealous, well, I appreciate the thought and indeed am very jealous (okay, envious, sounds nicer) of those who got to be in it but please shate the details!!!!! Even if the "plot" or whatever is supposed to be kept under wraps (a la "Eyes Wide Shut") at least tell us about the experience! Inquiring minds want to know ... QL who dreams of being in a video one day ... ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 16:29:14 GMT From: llesi@aol.com (Llesi) Subject: Re: Moxy on Conan (was Re: (no subject)) >Moxy announced at Beachfest yesterday that the date has just been confirmed >- they will be appearing on October 12 on Conan My birthday!! What a lovely way to end the day...! :-) Jessica B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:20:50 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: dave's voice (was: Re: 4-part harmony . . . delicious!) Carey Farrell wrote: > I've noticed this, too (just listen to "River Valley" and "Earthquakes" back > to back). But I don't think this is unusual; it's normal for voices to grow > and develop over the years, especially voices of people who sing for a and it's not just Dave, either. Jian's voice has also lowered over the years. Compare some original recordings to those on Live Noise, especially Fly and BJ Don't Cry. *much* lower sounding on Live Noise. (and who's that doing the intro to Fly?! It sounds nothing like any of them...) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 18:11:16 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Good Cleveland Info! Donna asked: >>Hands up! Who will I see there?! Four people who are kicking Donna's birdies out of their home will be there. I think Donna's aware of this, but the rest of you may not be. ;) Trace and I will be the ones, fresh off a nine-hour drive, accosting random Früheads in search of someone to share chocolate and caffeine with. Kate and Loren usually behave a bit more decorously. - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 18:21:42 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: dave's voice (was: Re: 4-part harmony . . . delicious!) Lawrence said: >and it's not just Dave, either. Jian's voice has also lowered over the >years. And Mike's too. In fact, the only voice that doesn't seem to have lowered considerably is Murray's. I about to died laughing the first time I heard the indie tape -- three very boyish-sounding Frülads, and then Murray's deep-as-ever vocals on Authors. Compare some original recordings to those on Live Noise, especially >Fly and BJ Don't Cry. Mike's change is very noticeable when comparing TDS on the indie tape to *any* other version. Part of that may be a maturing singing style though. - -- Lori **************************** we lived in the noise and the sweet amber poison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:17:25 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: dave's voice In article <852567E7.0048335E.00@mailer.zd.com>, Taryn Chase wrote: > some might say that when you make your living *using* your vocal > chords, you have more of a responsibility to maintain them--anybody > think that's valid or care to comment? Perhaps he does-- but his responsibility is only to himself. And only if he wants to keep making a living that way. Ultimately, his fans will decide for themselves if they think his voice has gone off, and if it has, he'll be the only one who's hurt by it. > (/who, incidentally, *will* shoot anyone who posts that clove smoking > is worse than any other kind.) I wouldn't say THAT b/c I have no opinion on the subject. I *would* say, however, that I could name a type of smoking that I think is *better*. ;) peace, ellen (I'd never do that! And i'll never do it again.) **************************************************************** It's not the colors that matter, but that we all fade away Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:55:43 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: I haven't heard it >I about to died laughing the first time I heard the indie tape, three very boyish-sounding Frülads, and then Murray's deep-as-ever vocals on Authors. I haven't heard it, but everyone keeps mentioning it and I'm getting really curious. Eh, eventually I'll get to hear it I'm sure. :) - --------------> Ln the hopeful ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #801 ********************************************