From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #799 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, September 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 799 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: caps/no caps (was Re: Wood typos) [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at ] Re: jews with horns???? [jbardhan@demon.ceh.servtech.com (Neil Bardhan)] Re: caps/no caps (was Re: Wood typos) [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at ] Re: caps/no caps (was Re: Wood typos) [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: OT: Fruhead Lessons [Christine K ] Re: 4 part harmony... delicious! [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: subscribe [FruCake1@aol.com] Re: Moxy on Conan [Lynne ] more Conan 10/12 [Lynne ] BG [Lynne ] Re: more Conan [michykith@aol.com (Michykith)] Re: OT:HUM:_Fruhead Lessons [drea1@my-deja.com] Re: OT: Mike Nesmith [Christine K ] Re: My Review [traugottcm@aol.com (TraugottCM)] Re: Moxy on Conan ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: BG [Josh Woodward ] Re: 4 part harmony . . . delicious! [Irene ] Fishtank Soundworks Indie Artists Collective [soundworks@fishtank1.com] Re: OT: Jazz [Terry Smith ] Re: OT:HUM:_Fruhead Lessons [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead do] Re: Moxy on Conan [chad schrock ] Re: OT:HUM:_Fruhead Lessons [chad schrock ] Re: 4 part harmony . . . delicious! [Leah Bridgers ] Re: [Interp] MPG (very long) [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead d] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 08 Sep 1999 21:20:52 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: caps/no caps (was Re: Wood typos) Lawrence said: >wel, if it makes you feel any better, it's something we al do periodicaly. >And we just have to say "The hel with it." No one's going to tel you to stop >posting because of it, are they? I think no one here is so ful of contempt >for the people who don't always spel words correctly that they'd yel at you >for this one, and no one is iliterate enough to not understand what you're >saying. That would just be sily. > >Stil, if a key fals off *my* keyboard, I *wil* get it fixed. I can only *imagine* the work you put into typing that post, dude! :) - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:15:54 GMT From: jbardhan@demon.ceh.servtech.com (Neil Bardhan) Subject: Re: jews with horns???? I heard this CD early this summer! My friend Jamaila(whom I met an odd way -- she was leaning out a window, playing music) could NOT stop singing that 1st track from Jews w/ Horns (track = Ten Men Hat Wave or somesuch) and I was like "Just gimme the CD so I can listen" because I knew somewhat of the Klezmatics, just not enough. I have minimal previous experience with klezmer -- I heard some of the Flying Bulgar Klezmer Band at last year's camp. So I looked through liner notes when she let me borrow and I noticed the Früexistence on the CD, which pleased me. When queried, she knew nothing of them. *sigh* Neil Neil Bardhan: stage manager,tape trader,CTY Nevermore,Libertarian,and nice guy http://www.servtech.com/~jbardhan/ Aliens ransacked my room ------------------------------ Date: 08 Sep 1999 21:18:23 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: caps/no caps (was Re: Wood typos) Sarah was all distressed: >(obligated to reply to myself for the second time...) > >>>i even resort to speling things >> >>how classic. >> >>you al know i meant _spelling_, right? > >okay, it's not funny anymore. maybe i ought to shy away from words with >double l's. > >damn L key. maybe your keyboard was taught to spell phonetically. (Just for the record, I'm not freaked by misspellings/keystroke errors like that at *all*. (And non-caps don't bother me either -- but as some people do have trouble with them, it seems worth it to me to make the effort to make my words easier for them to read. I've found that an honest attempt, even with far from perfect results, is generally appreciated -- especially if it's a mutual attempt -- while an "I just don't give a damn whether it inconveniences you or not" attitude rarely is.) - -- Lori ******************** All opinions, observations, experiences and policies stated above are those of the author, and in no way are intended to come across as superior to anyone else's. Just equally as valid. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:13:43 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: caps/no caps (was Re: Wood typos) my friend goo wrote: > >you al know i meant _spelling_, right? > > okay, it's not funny anymore. maybe i ought to shy away from words with > double l's. wel, if it makes you feel any better, it's something we al do periodicaly. And we just have to say "The hel with it." No one's going to tel you to stop posting because of it, are they? I think no one here is so ful of contempt for the people who don't always spel words correctly that they'd yel at you for this one, and no one is iliterate enough to not understand what you're saying. That would just be sily. Stil, if a key fals off *my* keyboard, I *wil* get it fixed. :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: 08 Sep 1999 21:57:45 GMT From: dstbunnny@aol.com (DstBunnny) Subject: Re: 4 part harmony... delicious! Lawrence wrote: >they're all baritones with slightly different ranges. in fact, most men are >baritones. tenor is a very difficult range to sing in, and bass is just >rare. Is absolute range the sole basis of voice categorization? I was under the impression that timbre and the comfortable tessitura/"working range" (ie, in what range does the voice sing most comfortably and sound the best) factored in quite a bit, too. I've read that choirs are full of "baritones" who are really incorrectly classified tenors with insufficiently developed high notes. But I defer to any music majors/musically knowledgable people who could set me straight here... anyone? Donna? :) Christine "If everyone around here wanted me to jump off a bridge, they'd just get together and push me." - Dave, NewsRadio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:36:55 GMT From: novfraggle@aol.com (Nova) Subject: Nice Girl - from Nova You have just received an animated greeting card from Nova You'll see the personal greeting by using the following Web location. http://www1.bluemountain.com/cards/box6849n/aai8vzywdmzygv.htm (Your greeting card will be available for the next 90 days) There is no charge for this service! :) HAVE a good day and have fun! ____________________________________________________________ Accessing your card indicates your agreement with our Website Rules posted at the bottom of the following Web location: (You're welcome to send a card at no charge to someone at this location) http://www.bluemountain.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:42:46 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: subscribe subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:35:02 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Wood typos limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (my friend goo) said: >something else to think of (or maybe not, i don't know.) ...how do the >fru-lads type? i actually don't know, they could all use proper structure and >whatnot.. I'm pretty sure Jian, at least, is up on his grammar by default - he's written tons of letters to publications, voicing his opinions on social issues (there's a shock!). Not sure about the others, but... >i've never seen a post by any of them, but if their newsgroup typing >standards weren't up to your (*your* being general.. to whoever's complaining >about this all) standards.... would you criticize them? YES. But for a completely different reason. They're *poets.* And they are obviously crazy in love with the language(s) they write in. Barring physiological grammar trouble of some sort (which hasn't been researched enough, imo, and is diagnosed way too easily), I'd expect nothing less than eloquence from the Lads. - ----- Vika Zafrin ----- vika@fruhead.com ----- "I am writing this an hour later and there is still a small demon in my stomach scratching to get out. And it's small and green and nasty. It murdered the antacid I gave it, and laughed." -Laura Lemay, re: wasabi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:43:49 -0700 From: " Arbie" Subject: Re: [Interp] MPG (very long) Lori at fruhead dot com wrote in message <19990907165642.22360.00005566@ng-bj1.aol.com>... >I mean, joining the Peace Corps or building a commune is nice and all, but >who's got the *time*? While you're doing that, modern life is passing you by. >And much as we resent the notion, many of us are not only slaves to the >"advantages" of modern life, but are not willing to give up -- even fear we are >incapable of existing without -- the *things* that bind us. What you have described is a recipe for existence, not living. Time for another generation to discover "opting out"? Maybe, if they can avoid the drugs which derailed the 60's (gee thanks Timothy Leary et al) they can create a new viable alternative to living scared. To misuse a John Lennon line: " No longer riding on the merry-go-round, I just had to let it go" Remember, the most powerful tool we have is the ability to create our own reality. Make yours a good one. At least make it the one you want. - -- Arbie "Reply to" address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. afru@nospamdirect.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:03:13 -0700 From: Christine K Subject: Re: OT: Fruhead Lessons Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > My additions to the list of "by being a frühead, I have learned ... ": > > -- "It's Too Cold" is about standing outside a venue in Toronto on a February > night. *snip* And on that same night, we were waiting in line to see the band "Moxy Freeze-Us." :) Christine. - --Chrissy_K on irc *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright.....delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:04:39 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: 4 part harmony... delicious! DstBunnny wrote: > Is absolute range the sole basis of voice categorization? I was under the > impression that timbre and the comfortable tessitura/"working range" (ie, in > what range does the voice sing most comfortably and sound the best) factored in > quite a bit, too. I've read that choirs are full of "baritones" who are really > incorrectly classified tenors with insufficiently developed high notes. But I > defer to any music majors/musically knowledgable people who could set me > straight here... anyone? Donna? :) I'm certainly no expert, but I think that timbre occasionally does play a part in what someone's range actually sounds like. For example, the funny low vocals in Gord's Gold and Big Fish are not bass parts, however much they may sound like it. They sound lower simply because the singer is making his voice sound different, not because it's actually lower. (Try singing along to Gord's Gold some time, twice - once using a funny low voice, and once in your normal voice, and you'll notice that you're actually singing the same exact notes) hmmm, reading over that again, I'm not sure it's what you meant, but I wrote all that out anyway. :) There usually isn't an absolute range for a lot of people - with sufficient practice, a person could consistently hit notes outside their traditional range, but they might still feel more comfortable within that traditional range. I'm still working on hitting some of the higher notes in songs like River Valley and The Drinking Song, and I've done it before, just not consistently. - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:06:48 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Re: subscribe In a message dated 9/8/99 7:04:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SkyStar117@aol.com writes: << subscribe >> YAY!!! Debs is back!!! We missed you!! :) Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:35:03 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: Moxy on Conan Hmm.. so this puts them in NYC... anyone thinking about the possibility of a performance or something other than Conan??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:32:14 GMT From: Lynne Subject: more Conan 10/12 Hmm, I am usually way behind on posts... and probably still am. October 12 was announced for Conan on Monday at Beachfest. Monday.. it's Wednesday evening frunews travels WAY faster than this... right? :) - -lynne, setting her VCR Joy said: I just went to NBC.com and Conan's site, but saw nothing about Fruvous. Am I missing something? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:27:37 GMT From: Lynne Subject: BG a lovely little article in todays BG News (campus paper). If there are people like me out there, who enjoy collecting fruvous info in print, I'll grab a few. There are also these cute little table top type displays in our dining halls. I love it, it's like the secret is out! Oh and the Black Swamp people need volunteers to help with food, arts, and bands (not during fruvous set, tho) if anyone is interested, I can forward the info - -lynne ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 00:36:50 GMT From: michykith@aol.com (Michykith) Subject: Re: more Conan >..dave foley was in the kids in the hall with kevin mcdonald, kevin treated >jian to a dinner for his birthday in la. ^_^ > > Is there a story here? I sure would like to hear it. ~Joni (fnjoni@fruhead.com) * * * * Dave: Have you ever done any public service? Jimmy: Public service? Where are you from, Canada? newsradio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:29:59 GMT From: drea1@my-deja.com Subject: Re: OT:HUM:_Fruhead Lessons chad schrock wrote: > Why do I have this impending sense of dread now? I hate to disappoint you chad, but quotes made while ripping apart True Lies don't count *g* Besides, did you see a quotebook in my hand (or Fiona's) at the time? ;) Drea "And I'm pissed that I'm not gettin' younger, gettin' pretty, gettin' loved, gettin' laid..." - Earthquakes "If you really want to mess with my head, compliment me." - me Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:28:05 -0700 From: Christine K Subject: Re: OT: Mike Nesmith DALevy wrote: > Mike Nesmith actually was one of the early rock video pioneers. And > among his claims to fame: I believe he produced the Stone Ponies, > Linda Ronstadt's first band. Mike Nesmith wrote "Different Drum" which was a hit for The Stone Poneys. (and he performed a little bit of it on the Monkees Episode "Too Many Girls" from the first season.) In 1982, he won the first Grammy award for a video record ("Elephant Parts"). He was also inducted in the Hall of Fame by the American Video Awards. According to "The Monkees Tale" by Eric Lefcowitz (copyright 1985): "Nesmith had a hand in the creation of the wildly successful MTV format that revolutionized the business. Originally, Nesmith had produced a series of videos entitled "Popclips" for Warner Amex's initial foray into a cable music channel called Nickelodeon. Warner's later incarnation of this idea resulted in MTV, the trend-setting video pioneers of cable." Christine. - --Chrissy_K on irc *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!!!!!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright.....delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 01:29:08 GMT From: traugottcm@aol.com (TraugottCM) Subject: Re: My Review dgodwin01@aol.com wrote: >During Splatter Splatter, Jian mentioned that they were going to be on Conan >Oct 12, and that they'd do this song with all sorts of Fake Squirting Blood. > > Ooo! I hope that's true! Although I could pass on the squirting blood thing... chris, squeamishly ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:56:46 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: Moxy on Conan Lynne wrote: > > Hmm.. so this puts them in NYC... > anyone thinking about the possibility of a performance And hey: Monday Oct 11th is a NATIONAL HOLIDAY. That means if there was to be a SHOW IN NYC even SUNDAY of that weekend, a LOT of us GOVERNMENT TYPES from THE DC METRO AREA would be able to come up for it. peace, ellen (was that too subliminal?) ************************************************ Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say... ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 1999 01:15:27 GMT From: Josh Woodward Subject: Re: BG Lynne wrote: : a lovely little article in todays BG News (campus paper). If there are : people like me out there, who enjoy collecting fruvous info in print, : I'll grab a few. Was it Jena's editorial? That's online at: http://www.bgnews.com/news/Opinion/Guest_Column/column_1.html Lots of very nice comments about Fruvous. :-) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 01:56:13 GMT From: Irene Subject: Re: 4 part harmony . . . delicious! Carey wrote: > > Actually, I'd like to know what all of their vocal ranges are. I know > they're all baritones, and that from highest to lowest it's Mike, Dave, > Jian, and Murray. Is it my imagination or have Dave & Jian switched places over the years? Dave used to quite obviously sing above Jian, and I used to sing with him quite easily, but now I notice that Jian's range comes easier than Dave's; with Dave's songs (eg. YWGTTM) I have to hop from one octave to the other. Needless to say, I don't sing that when anyone else is around. (For what it's worth, I am a second soprano who has always sung alto [I & II]. My voice cracks quite badly on the D above middle C, which is something I have never been able to overcome. Some people would call me a "lazy soprano"; I would call me a lousy soprano.) Irene ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now that Physics is proving the intelligence of the universe what are we to do about the stupidity of humankind? -Jeanette Winterson, Gut Symmetries ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wednesday, 08 Sep 1999 20:44:50 -0600 From: soundworks@fishtank1.com Subject: Fishtank Soundworks Indie Artists Collective Beginning 9.9.99, independant artists will have a new home on the web. http://www.fishtank1.com Fishtank Soundworks is a collective of musicians, artists, and other such creative entities. 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The company that does the compilations is on the web, at http://www.32Records.com From the liner of Rainy afternoon: "Think of it, a brave little record company, so caring, so sharing, so nineties, so concerned with the aural comfort of our costomers that we'd willingly risk our own anvils and stirrups, semicircular canals and cochleas, so that you wouldn't have to..." :^) - ------------------------< http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~terry >---------- Terry A. Smith \ Celui que tient la peur de devinir nuage \_________________________________________ U of MD, Baltimore County : Computer Science/Int'l Relations TRW Maryland Engineering Lab: Space and Defense Division #include Irene wrote: > > Hey, gang, > > I am going to pick your brains for a moment. Does anyone know of a jazz > piano artist/band a la Vince Guaraldi (the Peanuts guy)? I find that > kind of lazy jazz most soothing when my nerves are shot, and yet at the > same time it does not put me to sleep. > > Any suggestions would be welcome! > > Thanks, > Irene > > P.S. They found my car. It is "undrivable" (police lingo). We'll just > see if it is "irreparably damaged" (insurance lingo)... - -- ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 02:55:49 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: OT:HUM:_Fruhead Lessons chad cryptically said: >Although I stopped paying attention when Jeremiah jumped >into my lap. Umm, is Jeremiah anything like Stefan? - -- Lori, just wondering ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:45:46 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Moxy on Conan "ellen p. buckley" wrote: > And hey: Monday Oct 11th is a NATIONAL HOLIDAY. That means if there > was to be a SHOW IN NYC even SUNDAY of that weekend, a LOT of us > GOVERNMENT TYPES from THE DC METRO AREA would be able to come up for it. > > peace, > ellen (was that too subliminal?) Nah.. I don't think that they would have noticed anything. Anyway, I thought that you went climbing on Columbus Day? - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:42:44 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: OT:HUM:_Fruhead Lessons drea1@my-deja.com wrote: > chad schrock wrote: > > Why do I have this impending sense of dread now? > > I hate to disappoint you chad, but quotes made while ripping > apart True Lies don't count *g* Well, of course not, that would be too easy. I was thinking morea bout Saturday night, though. :) > Besides, did you see a quotebook in my hand (or Fiona's) at > the time? ;) Well, true, neither had a book. That I saw. Although I stopped paying attention when Jeremiah jumped into my lap. - -- chad at radix dot net "Bob and Doug Mackensie are NOT real Canadians!!!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:11:49 -0400 From: Leah Bridgers Subject: Re: 4 part harmony . . . delicious! Irene wrote: > > My voice cracks quite badly on the D above middle C, > which is something I have never been able to overcome. > I wouldn't worry too much about this. D is a perfectly normal note for a soprano to have trouble with. This is one reason why some choir conductors rarely perform songs written in D actually in the key of D. If you move it up or down a half step, your sopranos will sing in tune! Leah ********************************************************************** "We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of the dreams" ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 09 Sep 1999 02:45:00 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: [Interp] MPG (very long) Arbie said: >What you have described is a recipe for existence, not living. Actually, it's what the *song* describes. I just gave a few examples that (to me) spoke of the conflicted mindset. ;) Time for >another generation to discover "opting out"? Maybe, if they can avoid the >drugs which derailed the 60's (gee thanks Timothy Leary et al) they can >create a new viable alternative to living scared. To misuse a John Lennon >line: " No longer riding on the merry-go-round, I just had to let it go" >Remember, the most powerful tool we have is the ability to create our own >reality. Make yours a good one. At least make it the one you want. A noble goal indeed. How elusive it is depends on the strength of the individual making that reality. And what MPG says to me is: the more choices there are to make, and the more the necessity of making those choices is sped up, the more effort and mental energy is required not to submit to the mundane and lifeless. - -- Lori ***************** drowned in indecision ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #799 ********************************************