From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #794 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, September 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 794 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Wtd - WXPN 11/13/97 Morning Show w/Michaela Majoun [fruwench@aol.com ] SF show [dalevy@aol.com (DALevy)] Re: Indie Album [StarflashJ@aol.com] (no subject) [StarflashJ@aol.com] Re: Wood typos [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) [vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin)] Re: My Review [vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin)] Moxy on Conan (was Re: (no subject)) ["Winnie da Fru aka Sara" ] Analness and such (was re: Wood typos) [Tamra ] Re: Moxy on Conan (was Re: (no subject)) [serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman)] Thornhill dream [serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman)] Re: Indie Album ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: IWHO (Was: Will the real Fruvous please, etc.) ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: C album? [Chad Maloney ] Books [Carol Krupka ] Re: SF show [nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd)] Re: My Review ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) ["A.J. LoCicero" ] disappearing ammf buttons [Tamra ] Re: Thornhill = Beatles [Josh Drury ] caps/no caps (was Re: Wood typos) [Ellen ] [Interp] Down From Above [Chad Maloney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 07 Sep 1999 03:17:22 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Wtd - WXPN 11/13/97 Morning Show w/Michaela Majoun Is this the one with the "Poe-Faced" song? ladywench "Music not danced to is music wasted." - Eileen Ivers, PFF 38 FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ Date: 07 Sep 1999 04:33:06 GMT From: dalevy@aol.com (DALevy) Subject: SF show I realize this is way far ahead but while I'm thinking of it... the Great American Music Hall is truly one of the top venues in the city and should be fantastic for Fruvous. The only drawback is that it's on the edge of the city's diciest streets. Best bet for parking is going to be along Van Ness Ave. (which is 101 North) or the garage for the AMC theaters at the corner of Van Ness and O'Farrell (1/2 block to GAMH.) I would advise against parking on any of the other streets around the area and please don't walk alone--especially after the show. That's when the neighborhood night life comes alive with a wide array of hookers, drug dealers and others kinds of people you might want to avoid. (It's more unpleasant than it is dangerous, but the neighborhood has more than its share of street crime.) Having said all that, it's going to be great. Bring lots of friends. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:37:11 GMT From: StarflashJ@aol.com Subject: Re: Indie Album There used to be a site that had the Indie album on MP3. I sent out a link for it once but I don't remember where it was. If I can remember it, and the site is still there then I will surely send it on out. If not maybe someone else remembers it! ~*Jen*~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:35:00 GMT From: StarflashJ@aol.com Subject: (no subject) So, now that I am back at school I don't get to read my mail as much as I would like, so I wind up skimming through the NG since it takes up so much of my mail box. Since I haven't been up to date, don't kill me if you guys have already talked about my next question which is... Does anyone know when Fruvous is going to be on Conan? I went on to the Conan site and looked up everything I could find about the upcoming guests and upcoming music guests and I could not find anything with Fruvous on it. If someone knows the date please let meknow... I wanna be able to tape the show.. and also watch it while I'm here at school. Thanks so much!! ~*Jen*~ ------------------------------ Date: 07 Sep 1999 11:33:53 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Wood typos Actually, I believe you DO put caps and periods inside parenthesis IF what is inside is intented to be a stand-alone sentence. But it has been a while since I checked, they may have changed the rules again. ladywench "Music not danced to is music wasted." - Eileen Ivers, PFF 38 FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:25:47 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) "A.J. LoCicero" said: > True it might >be a bit more work, but as a native speaker of English, I trust you will >be able to decipher their meaning in all but the most extreme cases. It just amuses me how you keep assuming that everyone who reads this newsgroup is a native speaker of English. Reminds me of a debate I had with a friend earlier this summer about Americans' assumptions about the world... ;) - -v, didn't we have someone post from one of the Scandinavian countries a couple months back?... - ----- Vika Zafrin ----- vika@fruhead.com ----- "I am writing this an hour later and there is still a small demon in my stomach scratching to get out. And it's small and green and nasty. It murdered the antacid I gave it, and laughed." -Laura Lemay, re: wasabi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:28:46 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: My Review dgodwin01@aol.com (DGodwin01) said: >KOS was introduced by saying that they were inviting a special guest star on >stage that hasn't graced a Fruvous stage in Toronto in a while. Mike popped in >asking if it was "the Niave Young Chap?" I think that he's refering to >Harbourmall, any old time Fruheads know for sure??? All I know is that, at FruCon I, when they were introducing Dusty Fosterboard (yes, that's what it sounds like to me, as opposed to Fosterbourne), they were talking about all sorts of characters that they've created over the years, and The Naive Young Chap was one they mentioned. He might've come up at Harbourfront, but he can't have been invented there. :) - ----- Vika Zafrin ----- vika@fruhead.com ----- "I am writing this an hour later and there is still a small demon in my stomach scratching to get out. And it's small and green and nasty. It murdered the antacid I gave it, and laughed." -Laura Lemay, re: wasabi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:43:35 GMT From: "Winnie da Fru aka Sara" Subject: Moxy on Conan (was Re: (no subject)) Starflash Jen asked politely: >already talked about my next question which is... Does anyone know when >Fruvous is going to be on Conan? I went on to the Conan site and >looked >up everything I could find about the upcoming guests and upcoming music >guests and I could not find anything with Fruvous on it. If someone knows >the date please let meknow... I wanna be able to tape the show.. and also >watch it while I'm here at school. Thanks so much!! Moxy announced at Beachfest yesterday that the date has just been confirmed - - they will be appearing on October 12 on Conan. So set your VCRs everybody. Sara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:37:49 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Analness and such (was re: Wood typos) CheesemonkeyGem said: >P.S> Can someone inform the ignorant cheesemonkey as >to what this "line length" business is all aboot? Different newsreaders (and word processors in general, from SimpleText or Notepad to MS Word) use different line lengths (the maximum length of characters on a line). After the max length has been reached, the word you're currently typing is carried over to the next line - this is called "word wrap[ping]". When someone does not have their line length specifically set in whatever program they're writing their posts in, oftentimes people see their posts as one loooooong line. Gets pretty tiresome to read, when you have to scroll sideways twenty thousand times to get to the end. :) Fortunately for me, and anyone who uses Free Agent to read their newsgroups, there's a way around it. In the "Message" menu, check "Word Wrap," and then at least it won't go beyond your screen/window. Other software may have similar options. - -v - ----- Vika Zafrin ----- vika@fruhead.com ----- "I am writing this an hour later and there is still a small demon in my stomach scratching to get out. And it's small and green and nasty. It murdered the antacid I gave it, and laughed." -Laura Lemay, re: wasabi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:36:22 GMT From: Tamra Subject: Analness and such (was re: Wood typos) oooppsss! While proofreading my last post I realized I made a booboo -- Instead of Life is too short people! I meant to say: Life is two short people! Apologies all around! tamra ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:15:17 GMT From: Tamra Subject: Analness and such (was re: Wood typos) Oh dear! Oh dear, dear! (ala Piglet) ...hmmmm, my name is tamra. And i'm a bad grammarian. ...a dot fanatic. ...a parenthetical abuser (really!) ...as well asa pore speeler. i did recently learn where the return button is on my keyboard but always forget to use it so i hope this run on sentence (guilty as charged) doesn't create format problems for anyone....(sigh) Life is too short people! tamra, ignorant of any who may auto-magically delete her and just as happy ------------------------------ Date: 07 Sep 1999 13:25:47 GMT From: serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman) Subject: Re: Moxy on Conan (was Re: (no subject)) >Moxy announced at Beachfest yesterday that the date has just been confirmed >- they will be appearing on October 12 on Conan. So set your VCRs >everybody. > Muahaha, I love living in NYC. Thanks to the fact my mom is becoming a fruhead, I gave her the # to call for Conan tixx, so I might get to see them! WOO! - -J writing a song called the Ballad of Jill V. Fruhead Member of the Jian fan club Owner of all the MF albums and all of Ani DiFranco's "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter Too short to play herself in a movie ------------------------------ Date: 07 Sep 1999 13:46:56 GMT From: serra44@aol.com (Jill Friedman) Subject: Thornhill dream I had a dream the lads were doing the soundtrack to a movie that was being filmed in their hometown. It was being shot in their old highschool, too. It was cool. - -J writing a song called the Ballad of Jill V. Fruhead Member of the Jian fan club Owner of all the MF albums and all of Ani DiFranco's "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter Too short to play herself in a movie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:26:58 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: Indie Album Hey Dan! Posting here is pretty useless; we're all over at alt.music.moxy-fruvous. Hopw to see you there! ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:29:58 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: IWHO (Was: Will the real Fruvous please, etc.) Jian's intro was more along the lines of "When I write a song, I know what it's about. Then, I hear so many other interpretations, I forget what it's about." He went on to talk about how he had written IWHO thinking it was kind of sad. Subsequent listeners took it as a love song, so he kind of started to think that, too. Come to #moxyfruvous for a good discussion on whether that's valid or not :). ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 1999 14:18:02 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Beachfest99 Well, if this weather doesn't hold up soon, there may be no reason to hate me... outdoor concert and, surprise and shock - it's raining! Rain?! In KINGSTON?! *Never*!! (Kingston being quite possibly the rainiest spot this side of Ireland! ;) Well, time to go perform my "anti-rain dance". Or just whine. Whatever. :) Veronica MacKenzie King was Prime Minister, but now he's dead... - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:23:14 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: C album? Nat Gertler wrote: > > Shouldn't it be "Songs For Nat Gertler, Volume C"? Songs for Nat "C" Gertler? - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:26:53 -0500 From: Carol Krupka Subject: Books I had a dream last night that the lads of Fruvous were awestruck when they learned that....I liked books. Oookay. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "And remember, the world is possibility if only you'll discover it." --Ralph Ellison ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:22:22 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: SF show On 07 Sep 1999 04:33:06 GMT, someone who looked like dalevy@aol.com (DALevy) whispered: >I realize this is way far ahead but while I'm thinking of it... the Great >American Music Hall is truly one of the top venues in the city and should be >fantastic for Fruvous. >The only drawback is that it's on the edge of the city's diciest streets. >Best bet for parking is going to be along Van Ness Ave. (which is 101 North) or >the garage for the AMC theaters at the corner of Van Ness and O'Farrell (1/2 >block to GAMH.) Doug is right. I made the mistake of parking 8 blocks away when I went (alone) to see Rockapella there; I was hatin' life during the walk back to my car. I strongly suggest people carpool and walk to/from the car in groups. Also--I doubt that this will affect anyone, but it needs saying--the GAMH does have a lower age limit: all shows are 6+. (I have no idea how they enforce this. When was the last time you saw a 6-year-old with ID?) If you have a wee lad/lass you're trying to indoctrinate, best bring him/her along to the Saturday show (wherever they wind up). - --nicole twn *** "Never chase anyone off a cliff."--from Due South Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is INCORRECT! Think of it as an intelligence test. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:01:23 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: My Review Vika Zafrin wrote: > > dgodwin01@aol.com (DGodwin01) said: > > >KOS was introduced by saying that they were inviting a special guest star on > >stage that hasn't graced a Fruvous stage in Toronto in a while. Mike popped in > >asking if it was "the Niave Young Chap?" I think that he's refering to > >Harbourmall, any old time Fruheads know for sure??? > > All I know is that, at FruCon I, when they were introducing Dusty > Fosterboard (yes, that's what it sounds like to me, as opposed to > Fosterbourne), Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one! :) > they were talking about all sorts of characters that > they've created over the years, and The Naive Young Chap was one they > mentioned. He might've come up at Harbourfront, but he can't have > been invented there. :) At Frucon I I believe Mike did indeed say that The Naive Young Chap was from their song Harbourmall. Pity that most of us haven't been around long enough to remember it. A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:41:28 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: OT: Grammar (was Re: Wood typos) Vika Zafrin wrote: > > "A.J. LoCicero" said: > > > True it might > >be a bit more work, but as a native speaker of English, I trust you will > >be able to decipher their meaning in all but the most extreme cases. > > It just amuses me how you keep assuming that everyone who reads this > newsgroup is a native speaker of English. Reminds me of a debate I > had with a friend earlier this summer about Americans' assumptions > about the world... ;) ;) > -v, didn't we have someone post from one of the Scandinavian countries > a couple months back?... Ok, I left myself open for that one. Obviously I know that there are some non-native english speakers out there. That line about native speakers was pretty much directed at the person whom I was answering. However I don't think my point is necessarily wasted here. Vika's English, while not her first language, is probably better than mine in many ways. (I'm sure she worked harder at learning it and probably knows several grammatical things I have no clue about). I might have an edge in understanding some very obscure slang, for example, but that is probably about it. So while her point about not everyone being a native english speaker (or even a near-native english speaker) is well taken, I'm not sure that really challenges the point I was making. I don't know of anyone on this newsgroup that can't figure out I'll with a dropped apostrophe from context, or get past an extra comma or two. Native speaker or not, everyone I'm aware of out there has that much English ability. If there are some people out there who don't, well, I think they are going to have bigger problems with reading this newsgroup than just failure to capitalize the word I. Note that I am not in any way attempting to advocate using sloppy English. It obviously would be vastly preferable if all of us wrote like English majors. However I AM saying that I really feel that these issues are not important enough to bitch at people over. I KNOW I'm not one of the people that Lori or Kat was referring to in the original posts. I do know that my writing is excellent. (It better be, people pay me to do it.) But at the same time I am also acutely aware of my own shortcomings in spelling and punctuation ability, and so I do feel kind of protective of the people who aren't good at that stuff (and believe me, there are a lot of us.) That being said, I think all sides of this issue have been pretty well presented. This is more of a religious thing than anything else, and I don't really expect to change anyone's mind. Accordingly, after this post I will attempt to refrain from any more useless blathering on this subject. I want to sincerely thank you all for putting up with me this long! :) A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:17:44 GMT From: Tamra Subject: disappearing ammf buttons Gasp! Its a plague! My SASE showed up buttonless as well -- must be those sorter/zipcode machines at the PO that are kinda squeezing the buttons out. Wow, imagine all those "postal" PO workers finding mangled ammf buttons in their sorter machines and having no clue as to what it means...hope we don't send them over the edge or anything =) tamra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:32:09 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Thornhill = Beatles MSavo wrote: > Yeah, I agree Thornhill has a Beatles feel but any band that sings harmonies > and writes good melodies is always gonna be compared to The Beatles (no bad > thing in my ears!) The four songwriter thing never fails to draw comparisons, either. Once you have that and the harmony thing goin' on, you just need one or two songs with a strong Beatles similarity, plus a few with a mild influence, and people are all over you. I can't complain either, though I will say that when you start using Yellow Submarine style animation in your videos, it's time to lay off a bit. Oh, I forgot, the Oasis lads don't read this newsgroup. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:59:52 GMT From: Ellen Subject: caps/no caps (was Re: Wood typos) In article <37d2e1df.18733859@news3.ibm.net>, vika@fruhead.com wrote: > I can give an example of that. In my years on Usenet, I've found that > some people purposely omit using capital letters. That makes their > writing exceedingly hard to read, for me. Nevermind that my command > of English is above-average, it's still not my native language and > sometimes, especially when I'm tired, I have trouble reading sentences > written with no caps. hmmm. would you believe me if i told you that this had honestly never occurred to me before? i know that all caps is hard on the eyes, but no caps doesn't really both me at all, and no one's ever told me that it was irritating to the eyes, so i assumed (perhaps wrongly) that it wasn't. i am now rethinking this assumption; i didn't realize that a lack of caps makes it more difficult for a non-native-english-speaker to read. i type much more efficiently without caps, which is why i don't use them much online. but perhaps i've been inconsiderate all this time, too. > The United States has long amazed me by its indifference to, and lack > of pride in, their language. Not knowing basic grammar (which, fer > gossake, some people STILL spell "grammer"!!!!) and spelling of the > language you've spoken all your life *is* looked upon by many as > disrespect for your reader, disrespect for your language and thus > disrespect for a very important part of yourself. > not bothering to learn your native language well, > is a sign of disrespect and poor education. Don't blame your school > if it didn't teach it to you, sit down and learn it. *applause* i agree with all of this. for everyone who's said, "it's not disrespect or inconsideration; it's just that i forget/can't be bothered," look back at what you just said. that *is*, IMO, the very definition of inconsideration/lack of respect. i don't flame people for bad grammar/spelling errors, etc, because i already know that it does no good and pisses people off. almost no one will respond to a grammar flame (even a nice, politely-stated one such as these, which are not even flames) by bettering their grammar. but yes, it really grates on my nerves, too. like it or not, what you write here may be all i ever know of you, and if it's nearly unintelligible because of spelling and bad grammar, that is how i'm always going to remember you. semi-literate. if you don't care how you come across to others, fine. you have nothing to worry about. if anyone's still unclear, no one is talking about an occasional typo or misplaced modifier. we all make those mistakes. it's examples like the ones katrin and loren gave that we refer to, and yes they most certainly do happen here. daily. peace, ellen (considering re-learning touch typing so that i can type fast WITH caps) **************************************************************** It's not the colors that matter, but that we all fade away Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:44:00 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [Interp] Down From Above chad schrock wrote: > (I'm surprised no one mentioned this during our recent round of > interpretations of the songs from wood. Too bad tomorrow is a > holiday; Chad won't get the opportunity to chose between an > interpretation or work. :) ah, but it's Tuesday now! Muahuahuhauha. > Okay, that brings up another question then, what do (global) > you think that DFA about? I really like Down From Above. I really like Wood. It's a Mike-strong album to me. But that's another thread entirely, so I'll drop it now. My favorite line from Down From Above? Whether Mount Pinatubo or the thread of God's love There'll always be something that's raining down from above. As a whole to me, the song is about just that. Someone being forced into something when they have no control over it. The people being erupted on under Mount Pinatubo weren't saying "Hey, let's have the volcano erupt! Yeah, that'll be fun." In the same way, very religious people don't care what you think, say, or do, they will tell you God loves you and you are living by his laws and if you don't obey them you and take Christ and your Lord and Savior then you are in trouble. It doesn't matter if you are Buddhist or Muslim or some family living on a remote island who has never seen the Bible in their lives. So, anyways, the song itself seems to me to be about a religious cult experience on a child growing up in it. Your mother made you cry when she told you about the womb And how people die Watching over you when you were young Smiling when you learned to crawl You don't know her at all The child is so scared from growing up in the place that he[1] cried when she explained the alpha and omega of life. To me, there a neat contrast here, but it may be me reading into it. To many people, the joy of child birth is one of the most incredible things possible. Being able to create, along with someone you love and care about so much, a new life in the world is just awe-inspiring. For many religious peoples, the same value is held on death, where you are leaving this mortal life that is hard and burdensome and you ascend to a better place and that is a joyous occasion. I read between the lines here that the Mom is a part of a religious cult and would hold this opinion on death as a wonderful thing that brings you on to the next stage in your spiritual life. And yet when she explains these two most wonderful parts of life, the child is scared enough that he cries. This same Mom that watches over him and keeps him safe and happy and loved just scared the heck of him with explanations. That's a big stretch and the kid can't fathom where it came from. It's a dirty job, but they're very suave Jesus high on wine weeping turpentine This tease of the chorus is well placed. This is an example of how Fruvous can use song structure very well (either by accident or on purpose *grin*). The cult people are doing something that the rest of world would see as very wrong and terrible, but they do it very suavely, so no one notices. Okay, the Jesus high on wine weeping turpentine is especially graphic to me. The wording is very imaging, yet I don't make much sense in it. My picture here is Christ on the cross bleeding. More or less the traditional image of it all. But the thoughts that go along with the image are of a Christ tainted by the teachings of the cult. A version of Jesus created by drunken leaders. The weeping turpentine part makes me think the cross is bleeding and not Christ. Odd. Daddy's voice like an intercom connected to a hidden room Where yellow roses bloom A sacred mountain near Peterborough where clouds paint a picture so calm That they swallowed Mom Mom left Daddy to come to the cult and the child's only contact with his father is through the telephone, calling to this secret room, the cult's compound. The yellow roses to me are death symbols, showing how the people in the compound are dead to the rest of the world, cut off and self-sufficient. In a place that looks wonderful to the outside, the cult sits attracting members and then bringing them in. The contrast between the clouds painting and the clouds swallowing mom is really great to me too. It's a dirty job but they're very suave Jesus high on wine, weeping turpentine What are they doing in there? Have they got guns? Make you run up and down the same hill And they'll break your will Full chorus here. It adds more mystery to it, asking what are they doing in there and how safe is it. For the last two lines, I get the image of the child having to do drill workouts until he is tired tired tired, maybe as punishment for not learning the lessons taught. Was it Christmas or Groundhog Day when your friends turned to shadows And they dragged you away Tell nobody that you've been here, don't breathe a word that's been said Now there's a scar upon your forehead The Christmas/Groundhog Day contrast is neat too. Christmas is a bastardized religious holiday where Groundhog Day is just a crazy legend holiday. Christmas is significant because its religious connotations and Groundhog Day is significant because of the friends turning to shadows. If it here Groundhog Day and the goundhog noticed, that means a lot more winter. As for the scar, to me that's a symbolic lobotomy scar showing how the cult has forced ideas into the childs head and removed anything he could have been. And what's worse, they force him to not tell anyone about it. It's a dirty job but they're very suave Jesus high on wine, weeping turpentine What are they doing in there? Have they got guns? Whether Mount Pinatubo or the threat of God's love There'll always be something that's raining down from above. I explained that one up top and in other places I think. And that's my take on Down from Above. - Chad [1] I'm using he as either he or she here. Grammar hounds flame me if you want. I can ignore more grammar talk here without a problem *Grin* ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #794 ********************************************