From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #778 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, September 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 778 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT: Jens [leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender)] Re: What the world needs now . . . [trace@fruhead.com (Trace)] Re: Moxy Fruvous and Dune! [trace@fruhead.com (Trace)] Re: OT: Jens [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OT:HUM:_Fr=FChead_Lessons?= [happygirl@fruhead.com (Do] Re: ATTN: Anyone willing to help with WaytogoMike.com [tsalyers@dimension] Ohio Gathering? (was Re: Losers Unite!) [Amanda.K.Potter@Dartmouth.EDU (A] Re: Getting misty over a Frvous song [tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salye] Re: more fruvous dreams... [tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers)] Re: OT: Jens [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] Re: OT: Plastique Bertam (actually Plastic Bertrand) ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Ohio Gathering? (was Re: Losers Unite!) [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: more fruvous dreams... [leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender)] Re: Saph! you're not alone [tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers)] Re: What the world needs now . . . [Wakko Ellington Warner-Warner III ] Re: OT: cookies, cds, and miscellany (was: Re: Jos Louis (was Re: Hate Letter) OT [cookie ] Re: OT:HUM: Frhead Lessons [cookie ] Re: NOW Magazine this week-WALMART [cookie ] Re: NOW Magazine this week [cookie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 03 Sep 1999 04:09:07 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: OT: Jens >Good god, that's the name the woman who shared my hospital room when Andrew >was >born gave HER new daughter. That's creepy.... very creepy... If I run into another Courtney or Brittney or Lindsay, I'm gonna scream... what's with the cutesy names? And giving babies headbands? Babies usually are fairly bald, right? Why do they need headbands? It smuushes their little brains or something! - -Bender ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 03:38:45 GMT From: trace@fruhead.com (Trace) Subject: Re: What the world needs now . . . On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 02:56:33 GMT, "Valerie Jones" wrote: > . . . is more Dave Matheson fan sites! ... >... If you would like to add material to the page (photos, >sentiments, Dave-specific concert moments, feelings inspired by Dave's >music, etc.), email either of us and up it goes ... we'd really love that! Hey Val, I'll see what I can do. After all, I've recently come out of the closet as a Mathesonite, the least I can do is contribute *something* to one of his pages. Anyways, My Poor Generation has become my *all-time* favorite FruTune, so two thumbs up at the choice of domain name :-) - -- Trace trace at fruhead dot com Are you having performance anxiety and commitment avoidance issues? I can help! Call my hotline now! When the student is ready, the master will appear. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 03:46:33 GMT From: trace@fruhead.com (Trace) Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous and Dune! On 03 Sep 1999 03:34:00 GMT, gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) wrote: >The thread singing/performing with the frumen lead me to start thinking of the >Fremen from Dune. Now I have the thought of the Planet Arrakis being populated >by tribes lead by the Lads. The Frumen are separated into Murray's people, >Jian's People, Mike's People and Dave's people. Which one would Paul end up >with? >Instead of becoming Emporer would he be King of Spain? Muad'dib would end up with Dave-o of course! For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach, and his mental powers combined with Dave's instrumental and vocal prowess will bridge space and time! Plus, I think Dave is ahead of Paul in the consumption of the Water of Life competition ;-) Shai-Hulud, - -- Trace trace at fruhead dot com Are you having performance anxiety and commitment avoidance issues? I can help! Call my hotline now! When the student is ready, the master will appear. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Sep 1999 04:33:51 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: OT: Jens >Cara-Jane but I was never that big on hyphanated names. So I just have two >middle names (which makes initilizing (sp?) a drag). i love people with lots of names...though i'm not sure why it intrigues me so. my best friends first name is *techincally* steven. he went by that until about 2nd grade. at which point he started going by his "second first name" note: it is NOT his middle name...he has 2 first names, 1 middle name, and 1 last name. so, now instead of steven, he goes by sagar! woo hoo. also, another close friend of mine has 2 middle names. rose and ivy. i think that's so pretty. me, i just have random letters placed together and pretend it's a name oh, my first name, means nothing. my middle name...means nothing. and my last name means nothingtree. oh yeah! solem genna dannete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:50:58 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OT:HUM:_Fr=FChead_Lessons?= In article <199909022102.RAA11776@fr1.froggernet.com>, snowgirl@froggernet.com says... > By being a frühead, I have learned... [snipped: many things] And I have dutifully saved this post as a file called "things", to be replied to at a later time when I am no longer tired nor tipsy. Damn, did it again, didn't I? k@ - -- The Katrin(tm) (white baked epoxy enamel) Toilet Tissue dispensers are made with 22 gauge steel, which assures security and minimizes vandalism and waste. They are equipped with a slotted viewing window for a quick check at a glance. All Katrin(tm) dispensers share one universal key. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:07:34 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: ATTN: Anyone willing to help with WaytogoMike.com In article <19990902075540.17664.00002755@ng-fd1.aol.com>, fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) says... > Does anyone really *get* Jian? "Nobody gets me. I'm the wind, baby!" --Tom Servo - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 05:12:37 GMT From: Amanda.K.Potter@Dartmouth.EDU (Amanda K. Potter) Subject: Ohio Gathering? (was Re: Losers Unite!) - --- Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: we're happy to hang out with any fruhead who wants to hang with us. :) - --- end of quote --- Would anyone be interested in a Fruhead gathering before one of the Ohio shows? It seems like a quite a few of us are travelling great distances to see this show, and so I was thinking that some people might want to hang out before one of the shows and do some sightseeing, or something else fun. Anyone interested? Amanda, thinking a Fruhead invasion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame would be quite fun :o) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:12:35 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: Getting misty over a Frvous song Early Morning Rain at NoHo. This was during the time when I was working in Boston for a couple of months and Katrin could only come out to visit me every couple of weeks. At the time this was being played, she was going to leave for Ocean City on Monday. Much foofing. - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:16:27 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: more fruvous dreams... I had a dream in which I was talking on the phone to Dave about a song whose title I couldn't remember...somehow we finally decided on which song it was, although I can't remember what the title was. I said "Man, you gotta put that on your next album so I'll remember it. It'll be my hedge against senility." He said "You got it." - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:12:44 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: OT: Jens In article <19990902221335.25885.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com>, darlene88@yahoo.com says... > well, at least be thankful you arent one of the 10 > kabillion jens... Conversation at the Rocky Mtn. Folks Fest... Susan Werner: You look familiar. Have I met you? Me: Yeah, in Toronto. SW: With the Früheads. Me: Yeah. You signed my toilet paper dispenser. SW: Oh yeah, that's something you don't do every day. k@ - -- The Katrin(tm) (white baked epoxy enamel) Toilet Tissue dispensers are made with 22 gauge steel, which assures security and minimizes vandalism and waste. They are equipped with a slotted viewing window for a quick check at a glance. All Katrin(tm) dispensers share one universal key. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 05:15:30 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: OT: Plastique Bertam (actually Plastic Bertrand) BBWMinors wrote: > > I still want to know what "the king of the divan" is. I'm such a nap-lover I'm > convinced I'm Queen of the Divan. I am WAY too scared that any of you know anything about Plastique Bertand. First of all, MOST of y'all aren't old enough (=I= was in Junior High School when he appeared) and second when they said cult status in the US they weren't kidding. I guess it is nice to know that his albums are "hard to find" as I have 2 of them (and a single). You just never know WHAT is gonna come up on AMMF do you? :) A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 05:30:50 GMT From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: Re: Sappy? >> >I got misty during a song about a guy named Lazlo. Who has a >> > career. Is that strange enough? >> I got all teary eyed watching the Wizard of Oz on >>the airplane flying >> home from Falcon Ridge, so anything is possible >Beat this: I was watching Bonnie Raitt, Behind the >Music on VH1 >and I just started weeping. Her life seemed so *sad*. >However, the only >time I ever recall getting teary at a Fruvous show was >at one of the >New Year's sets during TDS. I thought about my dad and >I was a goner. ok everyone, move over, cause i beat YOU ALL... ~~i cried once during a full house episode.~~ ok, i have officially outed myself as total loser. hehe, well in my defence, i was already feeling emotional at that time. i guess the father-daughter moment really put me over the edge :D hmm, now i bet y'all are thinking "why was she even WATCHING that show?" good question! i think i was in a drug-induced stupor... - -jen === __________________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed... skydiving is not for you. __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 01:22:35 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Ohio Gathering? (was Re: Losers Unite!) "Amanda K. Potter" wrote: > Would anyone be interested in a Fruhead gathering before one of the Ohio shows? > It seems like a quite a few of us are travelling great distances to see this > show, and so I was thinking that some people might want to hang out before one > of the shows and do some sightseeing, or something else fun. howabout before the BG show, since everyone will be "in town" with not much to do? (this reminds me - I'd like crash space on the Cleveland side of BG if at all possible - so if something happens in Cleveland on the 11th, I can participate :) I've never been to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, but I'm sure I should go since it's only 2 hours from me... this would be a good excuse, too. :) and for those staying in the Cleveland area, if that is, in fact, where I'm crashing, we could carpool (I can seat 6 in addition to myself) to BG to save money and stuff. :) of course, that's only one day's worth... we should all find stuff to do on Sunday before the Columbus show, too. :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 05:30:05 GMT From: Terry Smith Subject: OT: Wal Mart as the trupeter of the apocalypse (was Re: NOW Magazine this week) Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > Plus there is the simple reality that in many places, WalMart may be the only > store where one can buy CDs -- particularly those of less-than-mainstream > artists. Wow. If this is true, then the four horsemen _must_ be just around the corner! I have 2 wal-marts within 15 minutes of my apartment, and it's kind of scary when you find something on tuesday in one of them, then go get money on Thursday and find the exact same item in the exact same place (in relation to thefront door) in the other one. -Terry (who was very pleased, and then a little disturbed, to find a copy of a CD by Ensemble Galilei in Best Buy. On the "NPR Classics" label no less) (But still no copies of Dark Crystal in the children's section) - -- - ------------------------< http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~terry >---------- Terry A. Smith \ Celui que tient la peur de devinir nuage \_________________________________________ U of MD, Baltimore County : Computer Science/Int'l Relations TRW Maryland Engineering Lab: Space and Defense Division #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:03:19 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Saph! you're not alone In article <7qmv3g$kbc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, MAYALIN@prodigy.net says... > Zainab, > now feeling dorky Whoohoo! Oh...um...never mind... k@ - -- The Katrin(tm) (white baked epoxy enamel) Toilet Tissue dispensers are made with 22 gauge steel, which assures security and minimizes vandalism and waste. They are equipped with a slotted viewing window for a quick check at a glance. All Katrin(tm) dispensers share one universal key. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 05:45:52 GMT From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: re: By being a frhead, I have learned... amy told us what she hath learned from being a fruhead, including: >Canadians really say "aboot," but rarely do they say "eh." Actually, ive noticed that a great many of us dont say "aboot," but instead we say "aboat," like we chew off the end of the word. i dont know where this "aboot" stuff came from (altho i spell it like aboot all the time), but a lot of us do say "eh." :) - -jen, clearly canadian === __________________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed... skydiving is not for you. __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 03 Sep 1999 05:55:38 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous and Dune! >>The thread singing/performing with the frumen lead me to start thinking of >the >>Fremen from Dune. Now I have the thought of the Planet Arrakis being >populated >>by tribes lead by the Lads. The Frumen are separated into Murray's people, >>Jian's People, Mike's People and Dave's people. Which one would Paul end up >>with? >>Instead of becoming Emporer would he be King of Spain? > >Muad'dib would end up with Dave-o of course! For he IS the Kwisatz >Haderach, and his mental powers combined with Dave's instrumental and >vocal prowess will bridge space and time! Plus, I think Dave is ahead >of Paul in the consumption of the Water of Life competition ;-) > Note to self: Gotta read that copy of Dune that's been laying around, unread, forever! - -Bender (I think I'll put my procrastinating off until tomorrow) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 06:07:50 GMT From: Queen Lisa Subject: Fruvous at the Sidetrack Cafe Hello everyone! I just wanted to let any Edmontonian Frufans know that tickets for the Sidetrack Cafe shows (Oct. 1st and 2nd) are now on sale. I went down and picked up a bunch today. They must have just been made available; I was the first to buy for the Saturday show and second for Friday's. Is anybody else out there planning on going? I can't wait! Only one more month! Lisa Moore Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Sep 1999 06:02:09 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: more fruvous dreams... > I had a dream in which I was talking on the phone to >Dave about a song whose title I couldn't remember... I had a dream a little less than a week ago that I was talking to Murray about foriegn diplomats... At one point in the dream, I remember something about this kid who was the son of a diplomat... maybe 11 or 12... just sorta sitting across the room and we were talking about him... then there was some weird thing with a post office and boats and stuff... And, as in every dream I have ever had, I was alone a lot and it was very overcast. Okay, that's a peek into my subconsious that none of you wanted nor needed.... - -Bender (Heh, you thought that I gave TMI before?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:06:09 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: Saph! you're not alone In article , happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) says... > In article <7qmv3g$kbc$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, > MAYALIN@prodigy.net says... > > > Zainab, > > now feeling dorky > > Whoohoo! Oh...um...never mind... Hey! Not without me, dammit... - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 06:04:27 GMT From: Wakko Ellington Warner-Warner III Subject: Re: What the world needs now . . . Valerie Jones wrote: : . . . is more Dave Matheson fan sites! ... (and "love, sweet love," of : course). After the August 18 Ram's Head show in Annapolis, we were talking : about www.waytogomurray.com and decided, "Hey, let's do a page about Dave!" : ... thinking we were being true originals. Little did we know that the : seeds had already been planted for www.waytogodave.com . Fortunately, we : hadn't thought to use that domain name. We took a vote (2 - 0) and : www.mypoorgeneration.com won. huzzah! Thanks to Lisa, the site is now up Wah. I feel outnumbered now! It's great to see these sites springing up. Now the guys won't pick on me so much. :) Good luck with the dave site(s)! - - A.P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 07:10:32 GMT From: Queen Lisa Subject: Way to go Jian? Is anyone going to do a website in Jian's honour? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:48:59 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: OT: cookies, cds, and miscellany (was: Re: Jos Louis (was Re: Hate Letter) OT Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > > chad asked the Christmas-cookie baker: > > >you put icing on cookies? Well...it really depends on how well I know you. ;-) Cookie REALLY tired now, and needing to sleep. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:42:30 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: Getting misty over a Frvous song Tom Salyers wrote: > > Early Morning Rain at NoHo. This was during the time when > I was working in Boston for a couple of months and Katrin > could only come out to visit me every couple of weeks. At > the time this was being played, she was going to leave > for Ocean City on Monday. Much foofing. That is the most adorable thing I've read tonight! Too bad for me that Kat saw ya first! ;-) Cookie Hope to meet you both someday. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:46:59 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: OT:HUM: Frhead Lessons Dorky Spice wrote: > > And I have dutifully saved this post as a file called "things", to be > replied to at a later time when I am no longer tired nor tipsy. > > Damn, did it again, didn't I? Which? Stay up too late, or drink too much? I've been doing a lot of the former lately. I'm hoping to get into the latter, soon. (Sept. 20 is D-day! i.e. one day after the end of the Easter Seals 10th Annual 24-hour relay fundraiser. Wheeeee!!!!!) G'Night! Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:32:27 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: NOW Magazine this week-WALMART Cara (Laika) Kozack wrote: > > That I agree with completley. I've seen Live Noise in the "Wal-Mart > Recomends" rack once (and we ALL know about the language on Live Noise). Thank you for the validation. After reading other posts here, I was beginning to think I was maybe too old and stodgy to be posting anymore! > I don't really see a problem with Wal-Mart stocking Fruvous CD's. It may > broaden the fan base a bit and people won't be so naive to only listen to > stuff that they hear on the Top 20. Again, thank you. Having grown up in a rural community, I know that most of America lives in a bit of a vaccuum. It's nice to know that corporate America is realizing that not all consumers are middle-aged couples who are members of some Christian organization and have 2.4 kids. (Some of us don't belong to Christian organizations and don't have kids...Nevermind how old I am!) ;-) > >For those of you who are Ani fans, you know that Dilate has no fewer than > *2* > >songs with "Fuck" in the chorus. Wal-Mart material? Guess so... > > > >So Fruvous being at Wal-Mart doesn't surprise me much. Thank you. In my opinion, Ani is one of the most anti-corporate artists out there these days, and guess what? She's immensely popular. Does that mean she sold out, or does that mean that people are receptive to new material? I think it's the latter, but then again...as I previously stated...I think I was wrong once before...) Nighty night everyone! I've got a busy 16 days ahead of me (darn fundraising events.) However, on September 20, I'm sleeping in... Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:37:17 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: NOW Magazine this week Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > I wouldn't be happy if they actively sought out shelf space there at the > exclusion of more socially-friendly indie retailers, however. And this has > much less to do with the corporate-giant evils of WalMart than its several > sociopolitical positions that I find to be utter anathema. I *think* that's > what Lawrence was trying to say. Well, OK. I can see the point, however, I also have been cursed with a stubborn reality streak (and I happen to really LOVE a good intellectual argument.) :-) First of all, artists really don't have much say as to where or when anything is sold. That's up to the record label. Distribution is a key element in record contracts. If the distribution isn't there, the label won't promote it, and if the label doesn't promote it, the artists find themselves locked into a contract for a large length of time where they can't do anything else, and--as I've witnessed--that has killed a large number of really talented bands. (Anyone remember the Gear Daddies? Trip Shakespeare? Limited Warranty? Kings English? All had major record deals, and all were sucked into the void of lack of distribution. Now they're extinct. I won't even go into the whole Prince phenomena.) The music business is a BUSINESS. If other people don't make money off them, they are quickly eliminated from the game. It's sad, but true. A band is viewed as an item to be bought and sold. The recording artist isn't the only beneficiary of their success. They carry with them the burden of supporting record labels, managers, agents, distributors, merchandisers, etc. Second of all, indie retailers will pretty much stock anything that there is a demand for on the local level. Major retailers, on the other hand, will only stock what they KNOW will move. If it doesn't move, they eliminate the product faster than you can sneeze, and replace it with the latest Britney Spears CD. The bottom line is all that matters to them. That's why I'm so psyched about them chosing to stock "Thornhill." It's a HUGE barometer in measuring Moxy's popularity. > >After all, isn't the music what it's all > >about? > > No. The message is what it's all about. And Früvous obviously has concerns > that the message can easily become garbled given depending on where it is > disseminated. I completely disagree. If a recording artist didn't give a crap about the music and only wanted to speak out on social issues, wouldn't a better avenue of choice be politics or social service? No. They are musicians. Granted, they have a social conscience, but that's not the meaning of their existence. If their record label had put pressure on them to change the album, then, yes, I agree. However, that isn't the case here. They put out a spectacular album that they're proud of, and I find difficulty in understanding why it would be an issue as to how their product was distributed to the masses. The more who can enjoy it, the merrier! (Regardless of how they acquired it.) > Plus there is the simple reality that in many places, WalMart may be the only > store where one can buy CDs -- particularly those of less-than-mainstream > artists. Spreading the message, even via an imperfect conduit, to those who > otherwise would have no chance at hearing it has some value too. Exactly. Not all places that have a Wal-Mart have a good indie store in which people can choose to purchase CDs. It's been my experience that only major metro areas have really cool independent stores. Places like Beatrice, Nebraska (Pop: 13,000. My hometown!) only service Top 40 mainstream releases, since that's what the demand is. (I imagine that's because farmers just don't have the time to search out obscure up-and-coming music--which also may be one reason why Garth Brooks is the artist of choice throughout much of middle America--but I could be wrong...I think I was wrong once before...) ;-) > >Let's get some perspective here. There are literally thousands of bands > >who are struggling to get even an independent record deal. Wouldn't we > >be just a little cocky in flipping the bird to the major retail > >establishments at this point in the game? > > Not necessarily. Since when is holding fast to one's principles cocky? If it could cost one one's livelihood, yes, I do think it's rather cocky. I really don't mean to seem the heavy here, but I've seen so many bands experience a bit of success and then--in a moment of ego--imagine themselves to be the Beatles. (By the way, didn't the Beatles make an even bigger sacrifice by "cleaning up their act" originally? They weren't able to voice their opinions until they were already established in mainstream life. Was that wrong? I really don't think so, because I think we're all better off by them making small personal sacrifices initially--which as a result--allowed us all to have the opportunity to not only enjoy their art, but also to broaden our horizons by their beliefs.) > >They deserve as much success as possible, and as all successful ventures > >require, there is a certain amount of compromise necessary to achieve > >that goal. I'm glad to see they're not biting off their nose to spite > >their face. > > I am too. Yet I respect the ethical sensibilities that cause them at least to > perceive and try to resolve a moral dilemma that never even crosses the radar > of too many other artists and/or manufacturers. Very true. However, moral delimmas are, unfortunately, a personal thing. (To digress a bit on a personal note: I recently was unemployed for a long period of time. I was offered a job for a political consultant that would have required me to work for the oil and logging industries. Even though I had no income, and was threatened with eviction from my apartment, I had to turn the job down because I knew I couldn't look myself in the mirror each morning if I had taken it. However, my decision only affected me. It would have been a much more difficult decision if I knew the outcome would affect several other people's financial situation.) > /unsaddles high horse. :) Get on up there and ride, girl! Thanks for the intellectual stimuation! You're one of the many reasons why I check this newsgroup! Cookie ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #778 ********************************************