From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #762 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, August 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 762 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ON SALE NOW - KESWICK [trace@fruhead.com (Trace)] Re: Keswick, DC shows, + OT: BNL/GBS (kinda LONG) [srm9988n@aol.comicreli] Re: OT: BNL/GBS ["Jennifer Schlosser" ] Re: KESWICK -- call the box office not Ticketmaster! [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: belated Harbourfest review (long) [truztno1 ] Re: New Frudegreen [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] French negations (was: Re: Independence Day Question [srm9988n@aol.comic] Maggie's Harbourfront review [SnarkiFru ] [Interp] It's Too Cold [Chad Maloney ] Re: [Interp] It's Too Cold [Bridget ] *smile* SnarkiFru's nice! ["Tim Deegan" ] Re: French negations (was: Re: Independence Day Question [Geenius at Wro] Re: OT: CD Holders [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)] Re: Jos Louis (was Re: Hate letter references) [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief ] Re: Philly sold out already?!? [Snarky Spice ] Song List- Le phoque en Alaska [pingouin1@my-deja.com] Re: Eaton's [Aryn - Marietta Eaton ] Re: Song List- Le phoque en Alaska [Joe Navratil ] Re: Jos Louis (was Re: Hate Letter) [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.que] My Mom has heard Fruvous for the first time [Snarky Spice ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:15:51 GMT From: trace@fruhead.com (Trace) Subject: Re: ON SALE NOW - KESWICK On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:01:16 -0500, "Lindsay Lion" wrote: >I got first row in the pit - ask for pit seats, they are closer than >orchestra. >yay! For those who are interested in finding out where you're sitting, there is a seating chart at the Keswick's website, www.keswicktheatre.com - -- Trace trace@fruhead.com AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 1999 16:03:31 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Keswick, DC shows, + OT: BNL/GBS (kinda LONG) Chad said: >Up is my favorite GBS album, though I haven't heard Turn yet. I should point out, now that Chad's recommended Up, that Up and Play were cannibalized for Rant and Roar, so if you have R&R already you have about half of each of these CDs. R&R is the only GBS CD I *don't* have, so I didn't realize this until I innocently made a mix tape for someone (ahem) who scolded me for duplicating R&R track-for track. :) oh, re: BNL -- go for "Gordon". - -- Lori ************* I'm going fast as I can, please don't make me rush ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:37:30 GMT From: "Jennifer Schlosser" Subject: Re: OT: BNL/GBS truztno1 said: > point, do any of you have a particular (one, and one only please) CD > to recommend to turn me into a full-blown GBS fan? If your favorite songs are the ones GBS wrote, you're probably better off getting "Turn," their newest album, as it has the highest percentage of GBS-written stuff. Plus it's a great album. The other albums are great as well, but they have more traditional songs on them. > Also, concerning BNL, I only own Stunt at this point, and I've heard > many, many people say here that they consider it the band's worst > album. Stunt is a good album, but its feel is a lot more processed than BNL's previous albums, if that makes any sense. Their first album Gordon is excellent, and great if you like their more quirky, funny side. Their second, Maybe You Should Drive, is more serious, but very well-crafted and less in-your-face funny and more filled-with-witty-lyrics funny. I guess it depends on what you like about the band. I wouldn't recommend their live album (Rock Spectacle) anyway, because they didn't include any of their live banter, which is why I went to their shows. Their third album is pretty good, too, but I'd recommend starting with Gordon and Maybe You Should Drive first. They are more coherent as albums and better represent BNL's style (until Stunt that is...). Of course, I would also recommend that you buy *all* of GBS's and BNL's CDs right now. You hit on two of my three favorite bands. :) Jennifer. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:03:47 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: KESWICK -- call the box office not Ticketmaster! Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > I didn't manage that, but I did get a block of ten in rows 4 and 5 after nearly > suffering heart failure over Lawrence's post. Call the box office, not > Ticketmaster! The box office worker I spoke to laughed when I said TM thought > it was all sold out. yup, that's what I finally did. In addition to ordering my Ohio tickets today. :) The TM agent I spoke to was like "Do you follow this band around or something?" She also kept pronouncing it "Moxy Fruvulous." Soon I should have a "Stack O' Tickets." :) So, you're all in rows 4 and 5, eh? My ticket is row 5, center, which was apparently the best they could get me. Hopefully I won't have to sell it to someone else (i.e. if I can't get the day off from whatever job I may have by then... which would suck, so I'll make sure I get it off :) Hmmm, there are seats... which means there is most likely quiet... which means a mostly appreciative audience... which means WOOD! :) Howabout Poor Mary Lane, Bed and Breakfast, and Sad Today this time? :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:29:35 -0400 From: truztno1 Subject: Re: belated Harbourfest review (long) Tim Deegan wrote: > Missa also claims to be the only Korean Fruhead that she's ever seen... > hellllooooo.... maybe not seen (urghsplurg...i've got to get my butt to a show...), but she exists, yes! : ) ~truztno1 ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:14:55 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: New Frudegreen some one mentioned mpg's line "unique in all creation" i thought it was "your making all creation" kinda calling themselves 'god' you know...the 80's "me" generation solem genna ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:21:42 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: French negations (was: Re: Independence Day Question Josh Drury said: >Well, I'm not too good at French either, but I'm not entirely sure the "pas" >is >that important... without it it's bad grammar but not without the same >meaning. The "ne" indicates some form of negative statement is forthcoming. The "pas" (literally: "step", but not used that way in negation in several hundred years; in modern French it's the default "not") is the defining negative in the phrase, and is necessary to clarify which negative is meant. You can slangily say "je vive pas" and be understood (most French and Quebecois speakers use exactly this construction most of the time), but "je ne vive" is decidedly incomplete. >There are other words to finish off "ne ____" phrases, like "ne ____ rien" >means >"don't ____ at all" "nothing", actually. or "ne ____ jamais" means "never ____". I'd put together >some >actual phrases, but they'd be of bad grammar, and sounding vaguely like >something I >would have read in junior high French, like "Pierre et Michelle mangent du >fromage >dans l'autobus". Il ne mange pas -- He doesn't eat. Il ne mange rien -- He eats nothing. Il ne mange jamais -- He never eats. Il ne mange ni fromage ni viande -- He eats neither meat nor cheese. and so on. - -- Lori, with rusty but quite usable French. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:17:04 GMT From: SnarkiFru Subject: Maggie's Harbourfront review Maggie did a great job of filling in a lot of details Sara and I either forgot or were too lazy to type :^) in response to one of her comments: At the beginning of MPG, Dave messed up a little bit. I don't remember what it was, but it wasn't right. They had to start over. It was pretty funny... Jian blamed Dave's mistake on Murray. Jian then said that he owed Murray a beer, but Murray said he'd take one of the many provided backstage. As I recall, while Murray and Mike had started MPG in the right key, Dave started in a different key... was rather sheepish about it, and turned around to switch keys. While the sound was just fine in the shell, I missed a good portion of the banter, so I missed the commentary after he realized he was in the wrong key. Oh, and after talking to him afterwards... I'm inclined to think Fiona that your suspicion was off... i think it was just an oops, like singing the wrong verse of a song (which we've all seen Mike and Murray and Jian do at one point or another). I mean, Mike forgot which guitar he was supposed to be playing for Splatter^2! :^} Other technical oopses also involved the banjo. I forget which song was first, but when he started playing it there was little sound. Cal made an adjustment and went way too loud, then readjusted. OK, off to work for me... ciao! - --Angie ...there's a difference between knowing the path and wlking the path... - --Morpheus The Matrix ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:26:57 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [Interp] It's Too Cold Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > There's been a bunch I've been wondering about, but > I've had nowhere to really look... howabout It's Too Cold? Does anyone have > *any* clue at all what that's about? 'Cause I sure don't... :) Work. Interp It's Too Cold. Work. Interp It's Too Cold. What a tough choice on Monday Morning. [Standard Maloney Disclaimer on interps - You Mileage May Vary] Ok, I see this song as about the man in a household abusing the other members of the household. And before you ask, I have no idea if there are real facts behind this and who they involve. I do know the song is a good one. The words to me seem to be the Narrator condemning the man. The man probably still doesn't know what he's doing and the narrator is just condemning his actions and putting them in a light that the man doesn't see. "You're the last of a breed and it's beginning to stink So you take to the clouds with your bible and drink The proclimation was made, the proclamation was felt There's a new notch on your belt" The narrator of the song is talking about a man who is fed up with the current path society is taking towards equality in a household. He is feeling left out because of his beliefs and is getting frustrated (last of a breed and beginning to stink). Completely fed up, he takes the foundation of his belief (the Bible) and starts drinking his sorrows into submission, probably making himself more violent as he drinks more and mroe. The Bible probably symbolizes the impact religion and his parents had while he grew up and yet all that he was taught everyone seems to disagree with. I also start feeling that there is an anger in here. The drinking is part of it and also the "take to the clouds" line. The direct denotation is that he is using the Bible as God's word and that is his rationalization for his actions. But the connotation I get is that he is forcibly putting himself in the clouds as well, saying he is better than the others in his family. That is the proclamation and for some reason, I get the feeling it's a yelling proclamation. The notch on your belt part I dunno. I equate it to a "notch on your bed post" except instead of notching the bed post each time you get a new sexual partner, the belt gets a notch each time you beat an agreement out of your family. Very gruesome actually now that I'm thinking about it. Ack! "Very carefully you've protected your house Now there's no getting out" He's built around him the way things work in "his" household. The narrator doesn't see a way out for him. What he does is too ingrained in him and in his family. In the name of protecting the family and keeping it together as a unit and safe from the harsh world, the man has locked the real world away from the family. "It's too cold It's too late It's too far" The narrator just thinks that getting out of this now would take too much of a mindshift. It's never going to happen. That it would just be too hard to change. It's a long road to get back to where the family should be since he carefully built up his life and it's metaphorically too late at night and too cold outside to start down that road. "There's a lovely house on a lovely street There's a burning star but it's giving no heat To the sting that was felt on the back of your hand Now someone's lost command" The narrator's first view into this whole thing was a nice house in a nice neighborhood and he had no idea what was inside. Now he sees love there, but it's not a good love (no heat - no warmth in the love). It's not love that the man feels when he slaps his wife around. The narrator sees the mans rationalization using the Bible and that the man is supposed to be the protector and caretaker of the family. "Someone's lost command" is the narrator questioning this motivation. This man is going to build his life around foricbly making himself king of the family because someone centuries ago wrote in a book "the word of God" saying that he has that right? "Very secretly you've infected your house Now there's no getting out It's too cold It's too late It's too far" Without the outside knowing it, the man has infected his ideals on the whole house, probably adding many a notch to his belt as he went along. The narrator reiterated with the Chorus that this isn't going to stop. The background lines: "Lonely at nightfall Bad dreams of rag dolls When the bough breaks The earth shakes No one hears at all" This is the narrator characterizing the wife. She's lonely at night because she's scared, but has no one to turn to for help. So she instead keeps herself secluded in the household where there is no love for her and has nightmares. To me, she's dreaming of what would happen if they had children. She dreams of the violence in her life and how much it affects her, yet no one hears to come and save her. Mike's background line is the hardest for me to understand. For awhile live, I thought he was just making stuff up. "You're such a lucky bastard I hope I didn't scare you We did not do nothing to you Leave you alone Leave you alone" I have a hard time attributing this to anyone. Is it the narrator giving his last thoughts on the matter? Is it the man talking to the woman? Is it the narrator talking directly to the man? No guesses from me. Anyone else have any good ideas for those words? - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:02:38 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: [Interp] It's Too Cold - --- Chad Maloney wrote: > > Work. Interp It's Too Cold. Work. Interp It's > Too Cold. What a tough > choice on Monday Morning. > > this was awesome! i _love_ reading people's interpretations of songs, and i think it's a good idea to make some such page. and thus ends another in a long history of pointless posts... (o; === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "I don't need a compass to tell me which way the wind shines!" ~Mr. Furious, 'Mystery Men' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:49:01 -0400 From: "Tim Deegan" Subject: *smile* SnarkiFru's nice! Angie, just thought I'd say that I appreciate the nice things you had to say about my review. :) It's nice to know that somebody actually read it! Yay! Heehee. Okay, I've gotta go get ready for work now. *sigh* I like being on vacation better! *pout* Don't make me go back! NOOO!!!! :) Maggie "Befriend the puffins... before the puffins attack!" -- Jian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:50:32 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: French negations (was: Re: Independence Day Question On 30 Aug 1999, Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > You can slangily > say "je vive pas" and be understood (most French and Quebecois speakers use > exactly this construction most of the time) I imagine very few French or Quebecois would say "Je vive pas," because that would mean they were dead. *ducks* - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:34:03 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: OT: CD Holders Okay, on CD holders vs. jewel cases in the car: I have a smallish wire crate from Pier One that holds 25 CDs in their jewel cases. I bought it for $8, so two would not be out of the question financially if I were, say, driving to California -- but one has always met my traveling needs to date. Anyway, this crate lives on the passenger seat next to me, or on the floor if I have a passenger. That way I can carry it from place to place, and can easily exchange CDs at home and CDs in the car just by carrying it into the house and swapping a couple of handfuls. When travelling alone it's also a lot easier to glance over on the fly and pull the CD I want, rather than devoting my attention to a CD "album" and possibly killing myself and anyone else unfortunate enough to be driving near me. I LIKE jewel cases. I like cover art, I like lyrics and other liner notes, I like the fact that they stack OR file, and I like that they protect CDs somewhat better than a soft-plastic slip-page. - -- Lori, professional Luddite, chipping in her .11 :) ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:39:39 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Jos Louis (was Re: Hate letter references) Veronica and Sara are entranced by all things marginally chocolate and definitively dead-sweet: >>Isn't it Jos Louis?? > >Oh, yeah. But it's pronounced Joe (I think - that's how I always pronounced >it, but then again I don't think they ever had commercials or anything, so >who knows what the actual pronounciation was). It's Joe, because the French "s" at the end of the abbreviation is silent. (Abbreviation being for Joseph, of course. Who the heck this Jos. Louis would be is still a grand mystery, of course, a week into this thread.) Will you two please get yourselves to Loblaw's and buy some? You're making ME want one, and I don't even like the things. :) (If they don't have 'em in Kingston, I KNOW they have 'em in Ottawa.) Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~~^~ ^~^~^ ~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~ ^~^ ^~^~^~ ^~^~ ^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy, newly-updated amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:26:15 GMT From: Snarky Spice Subject: Re: Philly sold out already?!? In article <7qe4lq$rm2$1@netnews.upenn.edu>, "Lindsay Lion" wrote: > Try the keswick box office, that is who i called: > > 215-572-7650 TM has a very limited number of tickets for Keswick shows. They handle their own box-office but charge you through the nose for it. I don't mind an extra $0.50 from a box office, but I do mind an extra $4. The woman at the Keswick box office said they're the lowest service charges in the area, which shocked me. Being originally from the Philadelphia area (little known fact about me) I know that that part of the world isn't full of terrible people or anything, but I can't get over the attitude that it's OK to gouge your customers. > > And does anyone have an extra ticket or several? :) I have one, possibly two extras. 12th row center. I'm not completely happy with these tickets, possibly because of the service charges. All I can say is that I'm expecting a lot from this show. - --Amanda Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:48:08 GMT From: pingouin1@my-deja.com Subject: Song List- Le phoque en Alaska Hi Reviewing the song list at Fruvous.com i noticed 3 entries for Le Phoque en Alaska (including an english version). As the original is probably my favorite non-fru song, can anybody enlighten me as to the version from MF? Is it availabel anywhere?? Thanks JF Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:25:55 GMT From: Aryn - Marietta Eaton Subject: Re: Eaton's Okay, I got all confused when I saw this subject line. Why are they talking about my family? Now I understand. Aryn, returning you to your regularly schedualed day. - --- Dorky Spice wrote: > In article <7q1dcr$1dr$1@knot.queensu.ca>, > 6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca says... > > Josh said: > > >[1] For any of you who may not know, Eaton's has > been struggling for > > >about a year now and finally announced they were > closing all their stores > > >some time in the near future. > > === Aryn - Marietta Eaton replay to ~lanna@fruhead.com Caelfind ni Mullen (called Alanna) Chatalaine, shire of Innersea, on Sabatical in Barony of Nordskogen Self profrssed Star Wars, U2, and Moxy Fruvous Fanatic "Redneck's are NOT this creative." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:18:25 +0000 From: Joe Navratil Subject: Re: Song List- Le phoque en Alaska pingouin1@my-deja.com wrote: > can anybody enlighten me as to the > version from MF? Is it availabel anywhere?? The original is not available on a recording that Fruvous has released. However, using the handy-dandy search engine that's *now on the front page* of FDC(!) (okay, so it's been there a while, but it's still really cool :-) ), I discovered that Fruvous has played it at at least these shows: 8/12/94, 8/21/96, 5/28/97, 5/24/98, 6/6/98, 10/31/98. Now, knowing it was played at these shows, if *I* were interested in a copy of that song, my next step would be to head over to FHDC and check out the 'Find Tape Traders' section, especially people who are listed as "newbie friendly." But that's just me. -Joe ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 1999 18:26:38 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Jos Louis (was Re: Hate Letter) I just mean the spelling of the things, not the pronounciation!! :) And I can't go to Loblaw's - I'm at work!! Shoppers might have them, though... :) And the bars have not totally replaced the round ones, I don't think. I thinit's just a different marekting strategy "If it's a different shape, it *must* taste different!" Besides, I'm not a huge fan of "nuclear rations" either. (My family's nickname for pacakged snack cakes, based on our theory that those suckers would be the only food substance to survive a nuclear fallout. We live near Pickering. We live near Darlington. We have a fully stocked cupboard! ;) :) Veronica - Jos Louis, disgusting? Sure, yet infinitely better than Twinkies, or the myriad of other disgusting packaged *things* I saw in a PA gas station recently... people *eat* those things?! - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:10:45 GMT From: Snarky Spice Subject: My Mom has heard Fruvous for the first time Understand that my mom was a hippie chyk in her day, with the straightest hair in the universe, leather fringe moccassin boots and patchwork skirts; and that now she's kind of a witch. She's...a little interesting. So, I was in a car with her this weekend, and I stuck in a tape of Fruvous playing at in Western Kentucky last year. Why? Because this is one of the few cassettes I own any more. Anyway, she didn't comment while the music was playing, but when it was over she asked if there were people who went to lots of show, people other than me, and did we all know each other; and was there a newsgroup. She seemed a bit bemused at the whole thing, though not disapproving. She knows. It was funny. I'd like to get her to come to a show one of these days, but they keep playing at the 9:30 club here in DC. Maybe if they hit the Ramshead again next summer... - --Amanda - -- You know me, you just don't know you know me Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:13:50 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Maggie's Harbourfront review SnarkiFru wrote: > Other technical oopses also involved the banjo. I forget which song was > first, but when he started playing it there was little sound. Cal made an > adjustment and went way too loud, then readjusted. ok, that does it. I'm definitely starting the "Dave needs new musical equipment" fund. With only $5 from each member of Fruhead Dot Com (a small amount, don't you think?) we can raise over $3000, which is enough for a new pickup for the banjo *and* a nice new non-duct-taped-together-won't-be-duct-taped-together-for-a-long-time-because-it's-brand-new-unless-Dave-abuses-the-hell-out-of-his-accordions accordion. And if FHDC keeps getting bigger, we might even have enough to buy him a whole new banjo... :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #762 ********************************************