From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #758 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, August 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 758 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: my mom has come to her senses! [acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78)] Re: Independence Day Question ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: misplaced story ["ellen p. buckley" ] new frustations? absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: FruCon3 ["The Marvelous Myla Fantastik" ] seen at the local Borders... ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: Bed and Breakfast [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)] Re: seen at the local Borders... [mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie)] Re: Meet & Greet [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] Re: Independence Day Question [Nate DeRose ] Re: Mostly OT:Mike Wood; FR*SL*T extrodinaire [hKath ] Re: Bed and Breakfast [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: priceline.com [Bridget ] Re: Bed and Breakfast [Nate DeRose ] Re: FruCon3 ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: FruCon3 [vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Meet & Greet [mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie)] Re: Meet & Greet ["Dante Bucci" ] Re: Bed and Breakfast [LSan497884@aol.com] Re: FruCon3 [Brent & Marianne Miller ] re: Bed & Breakfast (yeah, yet another one...) [SnarkiFru Fruvous is a taste, not everyone will like >them, but to say they're not good >musicians?!?! have her isten to britney >spears, THEN tell me if she thinks >they're bad! Well, as I said, she *doesn't* think they're bad anymore. I think her problem was not that they were really out of tune, of course, but that their harmonies are sometimes dissonant. And for someone (like my mom) who doesn't have much formal musical training, it might sometimes be hard to distinguish the two. But everything's ok now! Really! Yay Mom! Carey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:36:16 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Nate DeRose wrote: > I've never lived in any town or city that had a hotdog stand. awwwww come on.. new york city has one about every 100 feet. ;) peace, ellen (it's hoppin', yes, but not always in a good way) ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:30:45 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: misplaced story Arbie wrote: > > Ellen said some highly reasoned and intelligent stuff and then said: awwww, shucks. > >Once there was a time to get back home... > > Actually, that's "once there was a *way* to get back home...." yeah, i know. *cringe*. i caught that when the post appeared on my newsfeed, at which time, of course, it was too late to fix it. i must have been channeling west side story or something. ;) peace, ellen ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 1999 04:53:46 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: new frustations? absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well, pardon all the exclamation points...but i'm VERY happy right now...very happy. my day has just been made. you may recall my little letter to the SUNY stony brook radio station (wusb 90.1) "explaining" and requesting fruvous...and the lovely responce i got. well, yesterday i got another letter saying <<>> so tonight at aproximately 12:40...i was listening to the rather odd 9(but very good music from this station) i hear the familiar sounds and lovely voices in "sad girl"... i did a happy dance...which consisted of me jumping around in consentric circles flopping my hands at the wrists and then shooting my fist in the air and then doing it again... today i am a happy fruhead... i think i did a good thing. solem genna (the happy happy happy girl) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 05:03:19 GMT From: "The Marvelous Myla Fantastik" Subject: Re: FruCon3 >If there's going to be a FruCon3, it's now less than 6 >months away. Or am I getting too far ahead of myself. >Probably not, since we already have our tickets and hotel >reservations for Buffalo...which is just a few weeks before >FruCon3, assuming there is one. > >PLEASE TELL ME THERE IS GOING TO BE A FRUCON3! > >Thanks to everybody who made FruCon1 & 2 possible. We had a >great time! > >-Brent and Marianne HEY!!! WAITAMINUTE!!!!! BUFFALO? FREAKIN' BUFFALO? ... calm.... calm... deep breath.... ok. FruCon. I'm assuming this means Fruvous Convention? Yes. In Buffalo? Glorious Buffalo? Wonderful Glorious I-live-right-near Buffalo?!?! YAHOOO! (tm) is this possible? is this a dream?!?! *check pulse* okay... *pinch* nothin's set in stone, but if this is true, then halleluja!!!!! - -Myla, after fainting from sheer bliss Beer: it's just not christmas till you've passed out over the couch in a pool of your own filth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:12:53 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: seen at the local Borders... (columbia, MD, for anyone interested) i checked. they had a few copies of thornhill, and also had copies of bargainville, wood, and YWGTTM (i mention this b/c they must have ordered these since i was last there; at that time they only had a copy of b-- which i bought-- and a few of LN). aaaaannnnnddd... as i was checking out what was in the little listening stations surrounding that area, i was thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if they put TH in one of the listening stations." well shet mah mouth. there it was, in a "Borders Favorites" station. the blurb read as follows: "Are you a Frühead? You will be after you listen to this latest from the wild boys [1] of Canada. Combining the quirkiness of Barenaked Ladies with folk beauty and punk-rock energy (ed. note: !!!), Moxy's latest includes Half as Much (1) and I Will Hold On (4)." woo hoo! didja hear that? fruvous is *punk* now! i guess i should dig out my fishnets and dog collar. peace, ellen [1] remind me to find the person responsible for that duran duran earworm and throttle him/her. ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 1999 04:36:39 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast Cara said: >The Romeo in the song is probably a >bit more of a Don Juan. Just looking for a short relationship (ie A Bed and >Breakfast one-nighter). That's all that Juliette wants too but they fall in >love. What's love got to do (got to do) with it? >Which is obviously not what was wanted by either. That where >"Shouldn't have wanted more" come into the song. IMHO, the "more" that Romeo (and/or Juliet) shouldn't have wanted was fulfillment in more than a temporary physical way from a one-night stand. All he/they bargained for was an inebriated bar pick-up; that was all they got, and it left at least one of them feeling empty. But this has nothing to do with either of them loving the other; it has to do with the reasons they were out cruising for a one-nighter in the first place, and what they thought they might get out of it. >"She knows the glove on the hand in her lap conceals a wedding ring." >Romeo is secretly married and wants to have an >affair. Juliet knows this of course but goes along anyway because that's >what she wants. "Affair" or "quick, attachment-free sex"? Romeo's not advertising that he's married, of course -- he's on the make -- but I don't think there's anything secret about it. Juliet merely recognizes a philanderer when she sees one, but doesn't care because she's not looking for commitment anyway. >They wanted more then they bargained for because, presumably, they fell in >love and now Romeo has to deal with the other realtionship. That's a romantic interpretation, but to my ears this is anything but a "romantic" song. In fact it brutally debunks the idea that there's feel-good "romance", as North American culture usually defines it, in transient illicit hookups. ("Who'd have known you would be so predictable?") Rather, it says cynically, there's temporary satiation out there -- and if that's all you want, fine. But anyone looking for anything more than sexual release in a pick-up is setting him/herself up to be disillusioned. - -- Lori, cynical indeed tonight :) ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 1999 05:06:41 GMT From: mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie) Subject: Re: seen at the local Borders... ellen wrote: >the blurb read as follows: "Are you a >Frühead? You will be after you >listen to this latest from the wild boys [1] >of Canada. Combining the >quirkiness of Barenaked Ladies with folk >beauty and punk-rock energy >(ed. note: !!!), Moxy's latest includes Half >as Much (1) and I Will >Hold On (4)." Oh wonderful. The "quirkiness of Barenaked Ladies." Woo. Haa. Here we go Früheads, hop on and get ready for a rocky ride! - -Mocksie "By a stream of running water, I heard you laugh. I closed my eyes for an hour and a half, and tried to make you appear. I swear in the beauty of the setting sun, you were here." ~Moxy Fruvous~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:19:12 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Meet & Greet In article <19990829004508.3255.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>, frulove@yahoo.com says... > --- FruWench wrote: > > Soooo . . If I manage to get to Denver in > > October . . .I can get help with > > transportation and crash space?? > well, i may or may not be much help here... but > i'll have fruspace available for the halloween > shows. the caveat is that donna, joe and debbie > have first dibs and i'm not sure if they're > coming out or not. Likewise, Tom & I have a futon (sleeps 2 if they're real friendly) and plenty of floor space, if people aren't picky. No one's got dibs yet, as far as I know... k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:47:17 -0400 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Independence Day Question ellen p. buckley wrote: > > Nate DeRose wrote: > > > I've never lived in any town or city that had a hotdog stand. > > awwwww come on.. new york city has one about every 100 feet. ;) True. But I've never lived there. My places of residence: Northampton, MA : 18 years Plainfield, VT: 2 years of college Misquamicut, RI: 1 summer Warren, VT: 5 months Barre, VT: 2 years, and counting. :) Not a hotdog stand to be seen. (Unfortunately) I love hotdog stands!!!! I was very psyched to be able to get a 'dog after the FruconII shows! :) Cheers, nate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 05:47:21 GMT From: hKath Subject: Re: Mostly OT:Mike Wood; FR*SL*T extrodinaire In article <37C7637E.26EFAB41@bu.edu>, Laneta Hinton wrote: > Mike Wood, has been officially titled as the new reigning king of all > illicit fruhead activities. He has a "boat in every port"; and from what > I hear he could frutrip forever without deprivation of any sort. His > harem of young girls includes Frubaby, Fruinfant, and Red (from Fraggle > Rock)... This disturbs me, and it should disturb you too. > In the hotel room in Toronto last nite, Mike looked at me over the crack > pipe (which I had tried, and tried to remove from his grubby fingers) > and stated that no matter what the cost to himself or anyone else, he > will seduce every female fruhead under the age of 8 by the time Frucon > arrives this winter. > I beg of any concerned friends to help stage an intervention. E-mail, > write and phone Mikey, and let him know that you care, that you're > listening and that you'll hold his hand if he just needs a friend. Don't > let this unfortunate situation spiral out of control into the most > fantastic tragedy in AMMF history!* > > --luella > *this public service bulletin was sponsored by Tinky-Wink Telletubbie, > the society for prevention of cruelty to fescue (who do you think > posts all those > "do not walk on the grass" signs?? huh?)' > & Gabrielle Garcia Marquez Finally someone came forward with this. As a concerned roommate of said fr*sl*t, I have often seen him entering and leaving the house accompanied by various fruits, barnyard animals and the occasional twinkie or cupcake, sometimes simultaneously. The constant orgies make it impossible to sleep at night, and the use of various food items and cooking ustensils makes it difficult to concoct a decent breakfast. Michael, we love you, we're all here for you. But we're at our wit's end. Either the pumpkin goes, or we go. It's your choice. hKath, struggling with questions of morality here. - -- "Oh, Luella, you're so hot in bed." - MC, the next morning. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:44:27 -0400 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast I completely agree with Lori here. This song has nothing to do with either romance or love. Except in the sense that both of the main characters long for that. It's all about a one night fling which is substituting for what the two people are lacking in their lives. They both know it won't/can't go anywhere, and they half-accept that... but then afterwards deal with the resulting dissapointment, which they should have known to expect anyway. Incidentally, I think this is a VERY well written song. It conveys it's message very effectively, and at the same time has a poetic "style" to it. (by that, I mean, the song has STYLE) Also, one thing I've always said about this song from the first time I heard it is, "This could have been a Costello tune." All the bittersweet beauty, hurt, and stand-off-ish-ness is there..... and stylistically, it really SOUNDS like a costello tune much of the time. This song hurts.... but from an "cynically amused outsider" standpoint. Total costello. :) Cheers, nate Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > > Cara said: > > >The Romeo in the song is probably a > >bit more of a Don Juan. Just looking for a short relationship (ie A Bed and > >Breakfast one-nighter). That's all that Juliette wants too but they fall in > >love. > > What's love got to do (got to do) with it? > > >Which is obviously not what was wanted by either. That where > >"Shouldn't have wanted more" come into the song. > > IMHO, the "more" that Romeo (and/or Juliet) shouldn't have wanted was > fulfillment in more than a temporary physical way from a one-night stand. All > he/they bargained for was an inebriated bar pick-up; that was all they got, and > it left at least one of them feeling empty. But this has nothing to do with > either of them loving the other; it has to do with the reasons they were out > cruising for a one-nighter in the first place, and what they thought they might > get out of it. > > >"She knows the glove on the hand in her > lap conceals a wedding ring." > >Romeo is secretly married and wants to have an > >affair. Juliet knows this of course but goes along anyway because that's > >what she wants. > > "Affair" or "quick, attachment-free sex"? Romeo's not advertising that he's > married, of course -- he's on the make -- but I don't think there's anything > secret about it. Juliet merely recognizes a philanderer when she sees one, > but doesn't care because she's not looking for commitment anyway. > > >They wanted more then they bargained for because, presumably, they fell in > >love and now Romeo has to deal with the other realtionship. > > That's a romantic interpretation, but to my ears this is anything but a > "romantic" song. In fact it brutally debunks the idea that there's feel-good > "romance", as North American culture usually defines it, in transient illicit > hookups. ("Who'd have known you would be so predictable?") Rather, it says > cynically, there's temporary satiation out there -- and if that's all you want, > fine. But anyone looking for anything more than sexual release in a pick-up is > setting him/herself up to be disillusioned. > > -- Lori, cynical indeed tonight :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:21:54 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast Nate DeRose wrote: > This song has nothing to do with either romance or love. except that indirectly, it does. It has everything to do with Murray's views on romance and love. He's saying that what these people are doing is totally worthless and meaningless and that one shouldn't look for or even hope for something deeper when they know it's never going to be there. Either that or I'm putting my own ideas about romance and love into Murray's lyrics. But then again, isn't that what interpretation is all about? :) So, anyone want to try Love Set Fire while we're at it? :) - -- Lawrence Solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 06:40:36 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: priceline.com - --- YOURSLICE@aol.com wrote: > < could things go wrong???!! > > - -Matt ;)>> > > I hate to break it to you but Rush Limbaugh > endorses it as well. > > Mike *bridget wonders why mike couldn't just keep THAT information to himself... especially since she's planning on using the service... (o; === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:47:56 -0400 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > > Nate DeRose wrote: > > > This song has nothing to do with either romance or love. > > except that indirectly, it does. (etc) Ahhh... but you didn't read my next line, which was: > Except in the sense that both of the main characters long for that. > It's all about a one night fling which is substituting for what the > two people are lacking in their lives. > They both know it won't/can't go anywhere, and they half-accept > that...but then afterwards deal with the resulting dissapointment, > which they should have known to expect anyway. Lawrence continued to say: > > It has everything to do with Murray's views on romance and love. He's saying > that what these people are doing is totally worthless and meaningless and that > one shouldn't look for or even hope for something deeper when they know it's > never going to be there. > > Either that or I'm putting my own ideas about romance and love into Murray's > lyrics. But then again, isn't that what interpretation is all about? :) Agreed. :) nate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:20:29 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: FruCon3 The Marvelous Myla Fantastik wrote: > HEY!!! WAITAMINUTE!!!!! BUFFALO? FREAKIN' BUFFALO? > ... calm.... calm... deep breath.... > ok. FruCon. I'm assuming this means Fruvous Convention? Yes. In Buffalo? > Glorious Buffalo? Wonderful Glorious I-live-right-near Buffalo?!?! YAHOOO! Myla, Brent confused you by referring to two separate events in his post. The Fruvous New Year's eve concert is going to be held in Buffalo this year. See Fruvous.com for more info on that. Frucon is a totally different event which has in the past been held in February in Toronto. (Not too far from Buffalo). While firm plans for the con are only now beginning to be discussed, unless conditions warrant change I would think you can expect that it will be held again in February, and almost certainly in Toronto. Just wanted to clear that up. A.J. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:32:17 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: FruCon3 "The Marvelous Myla Fantastik" said: >ok. FruCon. I'm assuming this means Fruvous Convention? No, it means Fru*head* Convention. An important difference. - -v - ----- Vika Zafrin ----- vika@fruhead.com ----- "I'm trying to be jealous, but it's just so damned silly!!" -Dave Foley, "News Radio" ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 1999 15:27:58 GMT From: mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie) Subject: Re: Meet & Greet Hey Früheads in Philly... I am also kinda near Philly, I go to college near Trenton, it's about 30 minutes away. I would love to get together to meet y'all!! Fill me in on the details! - -Mocksie "By a stream of running water, I heard you laugh. I closed my eyes for an hour and a half, and tried to make you appear. I swear in the beauty of the setting sun, you were here." ~Moxy Fruvous~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:11:49 GMT From: "Dante Bucci" Subject: Re: Meet & Greet I'm in the Philly area... I think it's a cool idea. Anybody else entertaining the idea of meeting sometime in Philly? - -Dante jacey7NOquSPAM@aol.com wrote in message <0a0133f8.fd57ef8c@usw-ex0102-012.remarq.com>... >Well, since I was in on the scribble session, I think its a >great idea. Now granted, I'm not technically in the Philly >area, but if you get a group together on a saturday where I >can drive down, I'm in ;-) > >~jen > >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:48:44 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: Bed and Breakfast In a message dated 8/29/99 12:03:58 AM Central Daylight Time, srm9988n@aol.comicrelief writes: > >"She knows the glove on the hand in her > lap conceals a wedding ring." > >Romeo is secretly married and wants to have an > >affair. IMO, the hand in her lap is her own--not his. She knows that this is only a one-night thing for her because she's married and can't commit to anything more--probaby unhappily married and looking for something. I think she wants more but he's saying "hey, you're paid in full--and predictable on top of that!" I agree he only is looking for a one-night stand, but she desires more. Sort of a "I only want a free unattached moment, but now that it's happened, I guess I'd like some more" from her, and a "You got what you bargained for" from him. As with many of you, I agree this isn't about love. The song is far to cynical for that--and, I think, sadly too common. *Lois (Fogeyfru) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:47:04 GMT From: Brent & Marianne Miller Subject: Re: FruCon3 Sorry all, I didn't mean to confuse anyone. As A.J and Vika pointed out, Buffalo and FruCon are two separate events. I guess I assumed that everyone knew that FruCon has traditionally taken place in Toronto in February and that the Buffalo shows are in no way related. God willing, Marianne and I will be at both events, as well as Cleveland and Pittsburgh and any other shows we can work into our vacation schedule. Thinking before I'm writing this time, Brent The Marvelous Myla Fantastik wrote: > HEY!!! WAITAMINUTE!!!!! BUFFALO? FREAKIN' BUFFALO? > ... calm.... calm... deep breath.... > ok. FruCon. I'm assuming this means Fruvous Convention? Yes. In Buffalo? > Glorious Buffalo? Wonderful Glorious I-live-right-near Buffalo?!?! YAHOOO! > (tm) is this possible? is this a dream?!?! > *check pulse* okay... *pinch* nothin's set in stone, but if this is true, > then halleluja!!!!! > > -Myla, after fainting from sheer bliss > > Beer: it's just not christmas till you've passed out over the couch in a > pool of your own filth. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:58:51 GMT From: SnarkiFru Subject: re: Bed & Breakfast (yeah, yet another one...) Well, I wasn't going to bother with Bed & Breakfast since it's already been analysed by the masses, but Cara's message struck a string of thoughts and I figured I'd share them to maybe get my mind in that train of thought for other songs. Cara (Laika) wrote: The Romeo in the song is probably a bit more of a Don Juan. Just looking for a short relationship (ie A Bed and Breakfast one-nighter). That's all that Juliette wants too but they fall in love. Which is obviously not what was wanted by either. This is interesting to me, I never got the impression that Romeo and Juliette actually meet or encounter each other... mayhap they're in the same bar, but I see it as a pair of musical vignettes telling stories of two people living out the typical bar lifestyle. "Romeo Rhinoceros prowls around the bar... So cocksure he never suspects somebody's doing the same" I get the impression of an older man (say, late 30's early 40's) still trying to live the lifestyle of his college days. Drinking to excess, beer goggling, seeing himself as "Da Man" and walking around with the attitude that every woman wants him and he's got something for them they haven't had... just like every other horny drunkard staggering around the bar. The very usage of Rhinoceros inspires the image of someone brutish, thick-skinned, stubborn, severely lacking in grace and social skill, and not too terribly bright (completely oblivious to the subtle signals of "go away" for instance). Juliette Gigantic... in her name i see the comparison of calling a 7'2" 350 lb convict "Tiny." Her name implies woman of the world, a "big girl" but the description of her actions makes her seem weak, needy, and vulnerable. She may have this fairy tale image of what romance is and what she wants... but here she is in the same old scene, perhaps a vicious circle that she can't break. "She hears the lines behind the lines, but she wants the very same thing. She knows the glove on the hand in her lap conceals a wedding ring" She'll take the lovin' wherever she can get it, even from this man that she knows belongs to someone else. She needs the attention, but doesn't want to put the effort into starting something real and take the risk of failing so she plays the game, knowing he has a home elsewhere to go to. If the possibility of true romance is negated right from the start, she's safe from falling too hard and getting hurt. "Bed and Breakfast, and now you're paid in full. Who'd have known you would be so predictable. Bed and Breakfast is all you bargained for. Shouldn't have wanted more..." well, the B&B imagery definitely implies something short and temporary to me, definitely implying a weekend-fling or one night stand. By saying "paid in full" the fling has run its course and there's nothing left to do but check out and go about your business. I think the line about being predictable is incredibly sarcastic... kind of like a slap in the face. Almost like someone berating a friend for falling into the same trap again and again after swearing they are making a change. The last phrase, to me... makes me think of thoughts the morning after: of regret and/or a glimmer of hope that this time might be different. Then the lover turns his or her back, gets up, gets dressed, says "its been real, later" and walks out. eh, maybe it's a cynical view of the characters and the song as a whole... but to me the song itself IS cynical... highly cynical and unsympathetic. Such bright and cheery thoughts for a Sunday morning. Ah well, I'm going to the Air Show and gonna oooh and aaaah at the Blue Angels, so that will get me in a better frame of mind!!! later, Angie ...there's a difference between knowing the path and wlking the path... - --Morpheus The Matrix ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #758 ********************************************