From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #749 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, August 26 1999 Volume 03 : Number 749 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Independence Day Question [Josh Drury ] Re: Independence Day Question ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: Independence Day Question ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: Thornhill lyrics, lack of ["Lindsay Lion" ] RE: BNL/Moxy Fruvous [Melanie ] Re: Independence Day Question [Josh Drury ] Re: BNL/Moxy Fruvous [Chad Maloney ] Re: Independence Day Question [Josh Drury ] BNL & MF [Kristy Thompson ] Re: First Impressions - Thornhill pictures [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky ] Re: Thornhill lyrics, lack of ["Winnie da Fru aka Sara" ] Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited [timiny ] Re: Independence Day Question [Chad Maloney ] Re: Frvous Spirit [LSan497884@aol.com] Re: Independence Day Question ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FCvous?= is everywhere [Josh Drury ] re: Thornhill reflections revisited... [SnarkiFru Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Donna Hunt wrote: > People, People... I can't believe you're ALL missing the point of this song!! > > This song is totally and completely about Murray wishing he was an American. > Duh. > > The line that mystified Joe: > > "The city had a hot-dog stand..." > What's more American than Hot Dogs and baseball? > > and more obviously: > "I said 'This is Independence Day, I wonder how I'll celebrate'" : > > Murray doesn't know how to celebrate, he's gotta think about it. He knows about > the fireworks, though. But Balloons? Nobody's messes with balloons on > Independence Day, too dangerous. No balloons. Sparklers, yes. Of course! Why didn't I spot this years earlier with "Coming from Canada, we love those leaders who personify the U.S. way to be", where they proceeded to idolise Rush Limbaugh. We also must consider Mike's wish to join the Michigan Militia, and Dave's "You Will Go To The Moon" is a metaphor for the better living conditions in today's USA. So, let's all "Get in the Car", and head on down to the States! Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:09:25 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Donna Hunt wrote: > This song is totally and completely about Murray wishing he was an > American. Duh. ok, i know donna was kidding, but someone did say a while back that they thought murray was singing about the US ID in particular. assuming that this is true, there are some problems here... > But Balloons? Nobody's messes with balloons on Independence Day yep. also: on ID in the US, there *are* no colors except Red. White. and Blue. no red and gold. that's christmas. stores staying closed? not likely these days. july 4th is when most stores start putting summer merchandise on sale to get rid of it for fall. hey, what better idea that to have a big ID sale? we're ruthless capitalists, rememeber? can anyone here think of any part of the US where it'd be cool enough to wear a coat on ID? even a raincoat? well, seattle maybe. but i don't think they get the kind of summer storms that bend trees to the ground. those typically happen where it's hot. research, boys, research. ;) peace, ellen (in case you missed the winky guy up there, here's another: ;) - -- ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:54:07 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > I've been at a loss over this one for awhile -- it seems unnatural, an > artificial observation. And I think maybe that's the point -- **A** > hot dog stand in any city is utterly inadequate, insufficient, a sight > notable for its singularity artificial observation indeed! it totally messes with the mood begun by streamers and fireworks. all i can think when i hear this line is, "ONE hot dog stand? only one, for a whole city?" which makes me think, "ok, then either it's got a line that stretches around the block (which is an image that doesn't fit in the song), or it's just representative of a desolate scene he's trying to paint." but that doesn't work either, because the rest of the scene isn't desolate at all; it's celebratory. i'm stumped on this one. > when one would hope to find it a regular occurrence -- only if they sell tofu pups. ;) > perhaps much like the good part(s) of the failed relationship. Yet > the single lonely hotdog stand has the allure of seeming better than > nothing, certainly better than a city utterly bereft of hotdog stands, > to one who now senses he has nothing left. wow, you read a lot more into that than i did. the hot dog stand line also puts me in mind of A Confederacy of Dunces every time i hear it, and that's entirely inappropriate to the mood of the song. ;) peace, ellen ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:53:06 -0500 From: "Lindsay Lion" Subject: Re: Thornhill lyrics, lack of Hmmm. I have followed the lads from Liverpool as much if not more than I have the lads from Toronto. And sure, they borrow from the Beatles, as well as other groups such as the Beach Boys (think pet sounds) and even the Who, to create a unique sound of thier own, but the anti-beatles? I can't buy that - :-) As far as my thoughts on the inclusion of lyrics or not, i think it is part of the fun of a song to listen to it and learn the lyrics (though sometimes we all go astray from the real version) for myself. Kind of like painting your own picture. Lindsay - -- - --- Lindsay Lion Manager of Operations & Technology Biosyn, Inc. llion@biosyn-inc.com Josh Drury wrote in message news:37C552E4.2AD4BDF5@cc.umanitoba.ca... > > > Valerie Jones wrote: > > > a couple of people have mentioned this before and i have a theory. of > > course, you may have to be as aged as me to remember this, but when i bought > > vinyl back in the days when it was that or 8-tracks, there were rarely > > *ever* any lyrics included with the record. > > Well, I won't comment on the 8-tracks era, but I remember hearing that waaay > back in 1967, a little album called "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" made > waves mostly for its music, but was also rather distinct in having lyrics > included with the record -- I don't think it was the first time anyone did this, > but it was rare at the time to say the least. Now, 32 years later, Moxy Fruvous > is bucking that trend by NOT including lyrics. Only one conclusion is possible > -- Moxy Fruvous are the anti-Beatles! > > Josh Drury > Winnipeg > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:26:49 GMT From: Melanie Subject: RE: BNL/Moxy Fruvous Valerie wrote: >let me preface this by saying that i don't have an accurate picture of just how *big* BNL are right now ... like the size of venues they play, < I don't know how big they are either, but I noticed that they'll be at a Cincinnati Reds game the end of August, and they'll sing the national anthem. Which national anthem do you suppose they'll sing? Perhaps they'll sing the U.S. anthem in English and in French. :-) melanie melanie@redeemer-cincy.org "Strangely it all turns out right. How does it? I don't know; it's a mystery." Shakespeare in Love ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:16:18 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Independence Day Question "ellen p. buckley" wrote: > can anyone here think of any part of the US where it'd be cool enough to > wear a coat on ID? even a raincoat? I saw this show about some town in Colorado where these kids wear snowsuits year-round, even indoors. I saw it on TV so it must be true. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:21:30 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: BNL/Moxy Fruvous Bballmick wrote: > > I recently heard a rumor that Moxy Fruvous may be opening for BNL during their > winter tour... does anyone know if this is true? I personally think that this > would be an incredible concert. The only drawback would be that Moxy would > probably have a shorter set : ( Any other thoughts? We had this same rumour pass us by before the summer saying "I heard Moxy Fruvous is going to open for BNL on their summer tour". Of course checking out tourdates at FDC (http://www.fruvous.com) showed that probably wasn't going to be the case. That said, I've personally heard nothing from even someone semi-official about this and would see it as a definite statement of intent if it is true. But it would surprise me if it were true. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:22:10 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Independence Day Question "ellen p. buckley" wrote: > artificial observation indeed! it totally messes with the mood begun by > streamers and fireworks. all i can think when i hear this line is, "ONE > hot dog stand? only one, for a whole city?" which makes me think, "ok, > then either it's got a line that stretches around the block (which is an > image that doesn't fit in the song), or it's just representative of a > desolate scene he's trying to paint." but that doesn't work either, > because the rest of the scene isn't desolate at all; it's celebratory. > i'm stumped on this one. It's just one more thing that's a regular part of a day of celebration; something that would normally make him happy, but doesn't. He's detached from it all because of the "independence" he never asked for, and quite possibly he's too depressed to eat, or at least to enjoy a hot dog. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:00:04 GMT From: Kristy Thompson Subject: BNL & MF I just saw BNL on the 22nd for the first time. They were booked in our largest sports arena I can't find exact numbers but it was huge. It was a great show but I still kept thinking the whole time. "Moxy does this...only they do it better..." Kristy, from Portland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:36:38 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: First Impressions - Thornhill pictures In article <37C522F0.5A8F@toad.net>, epbuckley@toad.net says... > hmmm, my first thought about this picture was that his eyes have that > kind of "i-know-something-you-don't-know" [1] look. Well, we've all seen him with that look pretty often in real life, haven't we? k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:53:25 GMT From: "Winnie da Fru aka Sara" Subject: Re: Thornhill lyrics, lack of >As far as my thoughts on the inclusion of lyrics or not, i think it is part >of the fun of a song to listen to it and learn the lyrics (though sometimes >we all go astray from the real version) for myself. Kind of like painting >your own picture. I know that Great Big Sea don't include lyrics on purpose - they come from a tradition of learning lyrics by hearing them and songs being passed down from generation to generation. Their website includes lyrics only for their original songs, they won't put up the ones for traditional lyrics because they want them to be learned the same way. But personally I'm a visual person - things don't go in my head through my ears, but through my eyes. So I often don't "get" things until I've seen it written down (books on tape were not meant for me!) Sara, who has managed to modify the lyrics to 10 pages on her word processor - - 5 pages double sided! :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:01:58 GMT From: McCown Subject: Re: Frvous is everywhere >The observant Traci noted: >>>love >>>lizzie >> >>ahem *cough* what's that "e" doing there? >> >>Truth in advertising babe. :-) and Lori also realized that I hadn't been admitting something: >Excellent point. Let it be known that somewhere between L Street and >Pentagon City, Lizzi's *mom* told her it was time for her to drop >the "e" .... She's been outed, once and for all. :) Oh, how could I have forgotten that my "e" is no longer with me! I suppose I must confess to you all that as of last Monday evening, I am as degenerate as those other two (not that it's a *bad* thing, mind you :)) love lizzi! p.s. I have never heard this "Früvous is everywhere" song that Amanda and Josh speak of... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:28:46 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited Angie's message was too long for me to cut and paste but I wanted to comment on a few things. Firstly, I'm sure Früvous is overjoyed to see hardcore fans come to shows over and over again. It really shows that your first couple of shows were great experiences and you want to come back. They may be surprised to see you at so many different shows in so many different places, but you have to remember, you're supporting their livelihood and that's one of the biggest compliments you can give someone. Secondly, I know what you mean about liking Thornhill because you feel you have to. Apparently, your 2 favorite songs are Earthquakes and Splatter Splatter. That's fine, everyone is going to play their favorite songs more than others. From what I've seen the trend towards liking these songs over some others on Thornhill means you have a greater liking of Bargainville (fun songs) over Wood (serious songs). I know that's not true for everyone, but it seems like a lot of people have been leaning that way recently. You might think of live performances that you really enjoyed and extrapolated that to the album, Thornhill. But I think what it really comes down to is the fact that you're going to listen to what you want to listen to. Do you really think you're going to listen to something you don't like? It may take a little time to find out exactly what you do like through repeated listenings, and that's fine. You're simply exploring the album. Listening to songs multiple times sometimes allows me to hear different parts of the songs that I didn't hear on first listen. Musical tastes can change, too. Over a few months period you might come around to some songs you originally thought to be bad. I think time will tell whether you really like Thornhill as a whole or not. - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:51:41 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > > Among many other salient things, Joe Navratil wrote: > > >"The city had a hot dog stand > > and lovers walked hand in hand. > > And me standing there alone > > Except for the clowns I suppose." > > > >I'm at a loss for the first line. > > I've been at a loss over this one for awhile -- it seems unnatural, an > artificial observation. The hot dog stand line is one of my favorites, because it, for some reason, really sets a great picture. I know what a hot dog stand looks like in my head, so when I hear the line (and the chosen melody/chordage for that line), I really get my head drawing the picture. As for lyrical meaning, I just see it as pointing out how alone the narrator feels. Every normal city has hot dog stands and lovers routinely spaced about their streetcorners and parks. But the narrator is separated from all that because of what happened. He used to be a street-cornery, hand-in-hand lovery, hot dog stand eating at kinda guy. Now? Not so much. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:28:02 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: Frvous Spirit In a message dated 8/21/99 11:04:26 PM Central Daylight Time, kleahy@loyola.edu writes: > hirself Hmmmm...Is this a new way of saying "him/herself"??? (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) *Lois (Fogeyfru) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:48:37 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Vika Zafrin wrote: > Are you sure it's not "...let go their balloons *that* flew away"? > That's how I've been hearing it. i hear "and flew away," definitely. and i love that line, too. peace, ellen ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:21:10 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FCvous?= is everywhere McCown wrote: > p.s. I have never heard this "Früvous is everywhere" song that Amanda > and Josh speak of... The song is actually "Elvis is Everywhere", by Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper. But if you always have this song somewhere in the back of your mind, a header like the one for this thread will undoubtedly set it off. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:16:33 GMT From: cicero@wwnet.com Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions maria wrote in message news:<19990824041936.08508.00000232@ng-xa1.aol.com>... > To me, wood is a > wonderful album expressing some serious emotions by the lads, but then the lads > decided that it was too serious, so they added Organ Grinder at the end. Right, but I agree with them there. It WAS too serious. It was STILL too serious IMHO. I said that to Dave in 1995. At that time He said that they'd heard that from various people and that and he thought that maybe the next one would be more balanced. (the forgoing is merely an anecdote. It is not meant to be proof of anything) > It > breaks the whole mood of the album. It's supposed to. That is the point. You have to come back to reality somehow. > Granted, they set it off as a bonus track, > but it's like being awakened from a dream by a bright light. I rather think that was the effect they intended. Who said art had to be comfortable? > I think the same > would have happened (to me) if they put a bonus track such as Pisco on > Thornhill. I don't think I could handle hearing Pisco after MPG. Two minutes > or not. Different Strokes I guess. I would just LOVE that contrast! A.J. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:11:08 GMT From: Subject: Internet leads...your unreached clients Have you ever gotten catalogs in the mail? Why would they do this? Because it's PROFITABLE! A certain percentage of people buy from them. They do it because it works each and everytime they send. "Sales, it's a numbers game" This is a great method BUT the cost can add up. When you mail 1000 or more, you have to consider postage, brochures, envelopes, and etc... Did you know that there is a method of that cost less, WITHOUT postage, envelopes and brochures but have the same effect? 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It was at Merriweather Post > Pavillion in Columbia, Maryland. They sold out. MPP holds about > 9,000 people (if recall correctly; it may have been 90,000 people? MPP holds either 15K or 18K; i forget. or maybe it's 12K. > I saw Moxy Fruvous on Wednesday, August 18th. It was at the Ram's > Head Tavern in Annapolis, Maryland. They sold out. RHT holds around > 200 people. yeah, about 240. but don't forget, fruvous has played to much bigger crowds as well. the 9:30 club holds about 1200; i don't think they sold it out, but it *was* pretty crowded. i wouldn't be surprised if it sells out in november. > I think it would be great if Moxy were opening up for BNL, not likely, > but great. agreed on both counts. i'd have to guess that fruvous themselves would be torn about such an invitation. yes, it'd be phenomenal for their careers and a great show for us. but they'd also be marched right back down the comparisons-to-BNL road again. peace, ellen ****************************************** Once there was a way to get back home... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:27:06 GMT From: SnarkiFru Subject: re: Thornhill reflections revisited... Wow... um... ok, I'm officially feeling sheepish. Now that I'm awake and coherent I just read back through last night's post and um... well... *gulp* Matt posted a few points in response to my scatter-brained message: as a matter of fact my top three fave songs on the Album are Splatter Splatter, My Poor Generation, and Hate Letter (tho this one is tied with Earthquakes). I do genuinely love Thornhill... depending on my mood i'll skip certain songs, but i do that with most cd's. I guess when i'm pensive or sick i think too much into things. :^) As for being obsessive... i suppose all things considered its a healthy obsession, right? heehee, seriously... again its just a matter of me thinking and worrying too much when my mind is slightly delusional... these are i'm guessing concerns floating in the back of my mind and choosing last night to all be acknowledged at once. Its a strange thing to travel all over following a band... but you know... when i'm a wrinkly old great-grandmother i'll be able to sit back in my rocking chair and tell them youngin's about my crazy youthful years. How many people can say they were able to meet their fave band numerous times, have baked for them, have discussed SCA period fencing techniques with them, and have enjoyed fried food at 3am with their Road Manager?? (unless they too are Fruvous fans, of course). Mental note to self... never ever post when suffering from a head cold (andd i hadn't even gotten my nyquil yet!) Things are cool, i'm cool, and i'm going to Toronto... if i can figure out what in the hell to wear!!!. ciao bye - --Angie the goofSnark ...there's a difference between knowing the path and wlking the path... - --Morpheus The Matrix ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:19:37 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: "Jesus, she's back" ( was Re: Thornhill reflections, revisited) SnarkiFru wrote: > I also can't help but wonder… I've seen Fruvous 3 times (if you count the DC > shows as separate) within the past two weeks, if Toronto happens that's 4 > times… and if I make it to the Ohio Shows that's 6 times in a short time > frame. Part of me can't help but suspect that under their breaths the guys > are saying, "Jesus, she's back! Doesn't she have a life? What could she > possibly have to say this time??" Was my going to DC giving the impression of > obsession? Or should I just take my nyquil and go to sleep (developing a > sniffle). Okay, here's my experience with the "Jesus, she's back" idea. Let me tell you that I go to a lot of shows. I mean a whole lot of shows. And never once have I gotten "Jesus, he's back" to my face. I've gotten an apology that the set list wasn't too special (which I didn't care at the time since they were telling the story of the Fruvous musical The Meteor: the Blinding the whole night which entertained me to no end and they also played Please Please Me by the Beatles which was a nice treat to me and I also brought a couple Fruvirgins to the show and they enjoye it). This instance was after I saw 6 shows in 7 days, the first of which was the *best* Moxy Fruvous show I've seen to this day, so it went downhill from there. To make it seem more extreme, the shows were Philly, New York, New York, New York, Bloomington IN, and St. Louis. Yes, I was the only one to cheer when they mentioned Bloomington at the last Mercury Lounge show, but that was no surprise. Angie, all my experiences have been that they appreciate the dedication and if anything. To me, it's an extreme compliment to them that I forgo normal activities to see them. Honestly, my take on the whole thing is who cares what the band thinks of me. I do it because I love their shows. I do it because I am interested in seeing what they do next. But I also do it to see other people I love and know will be at the show. I don't feel I'm obsessed at all. Where some of my home town friends take flying lessons or have other hobbies that cost them thousands of dollars, I go see Moxy Fruvous shows and Eddie From Ohio shows. That's what I do and I love it. If Jian[1] wants to think I'm a freak with no life that's fine. I see myself as a well-informed fan that really appreciates what they do and love being a part of a grassroots support organization that has tremendously helped the band in the past and will hopefully keep doing it for as long as the band chooses to stay together. I'm gonna guess that the band sees that as flattering and appreciates it (and is slightly scared of it). It is their livelihood we are supporting. - Chad [1] Note that I don't believe this is true at all. It was an example. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:10:00 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FCvous?= is everywhere McCown wrote: > p.s. I have never heard this "Früvous is everywhere" song that Amanda > and Josh speak of... It's not Fruvous, it's Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper singing "Elvis is Everywhere". Except in Michael J. Fox, if I recall correctly. He's the anti-Elvis. - Chad ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #749 ********************************************