From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #746 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, August 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 746 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Frvous is everywhere... [trace@fruhead.com (Trace)] Re: Independence Day Question [Josh Drury ] Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions ["VINCENT G. CICILLINI" ] Re: Does it scare anyone else .... [timiny ] Re: DIRECTIONS TO HARBOURFRONT [Christine K ] Re: Independence Day Question [hallofeyes@aol.com (Jordan Q. Doe)] Re: Frvous is everywhere... [Snarky Spice ] Aug12th's Boston Show - Jess Klein [george ] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEZy/HZvdXMgaXMgZXZlcnl3aGVyZS4uLg==?= [srm9988n@aol.c] Re: First Impressions - Thornhill pictures ["Valerie Jones" >love >lizzie ahem *cough* what's that "e" doing there? Truth in advertising babe. :-) - -- Trace trace@fruhead.com AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:47:29 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Winnie da Fru aka Sara wrote: > "(Murray, w/ others) Geneveive, I do believe I can't go on this way > (All) Now I know what freedom is on Independence Day." > > Anyone have any thoughts on what this means? Is it yet another song about a > breakup? Given the lines: > > "I stuck my hand into my coat > Felt the letter that you wrote. > I said "This is Independence Day. > I wonder how I'll celebrate?"" > > It just seems like the Geneveive line is oddly stuck in there at the end, > since a name is never mentioned before. I do believe it is a breakup song. Yup, there's that national holiday imagery to give the song title its expected meaning (and provide an interesting backdrop for the rest of the song), but the real meaning is, of course, the "independence" of the protaganist, evidently from Genevieve. Of course, it's a sombre view of independence, so "I wonder how I'll celebrate" is merely self-pitying or self-depreciating. As for why Genevieve's name come in at the end, there's the fact that the story is set up quite slowly (it's not apparent that it's a "breakup song" until the second verse); and perhaps the protagonist was trying (unsuccessfully) to put her out of his mind, and amuse himself with the celebrations, or perhaps with his newfound freedom. He's clearly experiencing loss, though; any attempt to humour himself is futile. He feels a fool, as the line about the clowns would suggest. Also, I find it interesting that this song is merely two songs away from the biting Hate Letter, where the reaction is quite the opposite. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:04:56 GMT From: "VINCENT G. CICILLINI" Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Hero93 wrote: > p.s. Someome said it took them, like, a month to finally come around to Wood... > Um... Should it really take a month? I'm against knee-jerk first impressions > (especially negative ones) as much as the next person, but a month? it can take a moment, a month, or many years. a personal experience i had with eno/cale's _wrong way up_, comes to mind. i've always liked both john cale and brian eno, mostly their older work, though. my cousin recommended _wrong way up_, so i bought it. i played and, immediately disliked it. it really bothered me. a week later, i gave it another spin. this time, i got all the way through it. it was the longest 40+ minutes i had experienced, to that point. so, back on the shelf it went. three months later, as i was going through my collection to trade off some titles that i no longer listened to, i decided to give it one last chance. third time lucky, i guess. this thing hit me right between the eyes. it was wonderful; some of the weirdest, quirky pop music that i have ever enjoyed. i liked it so much that i hit repeat and let this play six times in a row. i still can't quite figure out why took me so long to really "hear" _wrong way up_, but i am so glad that i persevered. it felt that much more enjoyable to me, maybe; i guess it's difficult to put into words. this has happened to me with many other artists, also. maybe, the timing was off, or something. (fouled spark plugs, bad wires, etc. 8-0) that's just my $0.02. ciao--vc ________________________________________________________________________ "if you sing loud enough, and hit drums hard enough, everything is going to be all right." -- don dixon, _eee_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:17:23 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Does it scare anyone else .... On 23 Aug 1999 23:03:19 GMT, rchappo@aol.com (RChappo) wrote: >Mmmm...Interesting! >you should try living in England..the radio here sucks!!!...I'd actually be >glad to hear 'Biliie Jean' once in a while and I'm not a great fan of Michael >Jackson!!!! > >Richard 'Chappo'...(Nottingham UK) Ach Chappo bud, just tune into Steve Lamacq and then John Peel, there ain't nobody like him anywhere else. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:17:22 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: A new fan here...hello! On 21 Aug 1999 12:07:08 GMT, rchappo@aol.com (RChappo) wrote: >Hi folks, > >I'm a very new MF fan from England. Just announcing my presence to the group. >I am travelling to Canada on Tuesday and am hoping to catch the band at the >Toronto Harbourfront show on the 26th. Plus I will be buying up all the CD's I >can while I'm there!. Are there any Canadian TV/Radio appearances coming up in >the next 2 weeks that I should know about? >And does anybody recommend any other Canadian bands that are worth checking out >while I visit?. >Thanks >Richard. > Woohoo! More UK based Früvous fandom! Join the campaign to get them back to Britain! So what's your story behind hearing Früvous? Ross, The Scottish One It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:47:52 GMT From: McCown Subject: Re: Independence Day Question Oh geez, this is really interesting and quite fun (for the record, English is my favourite class in school, so i guess it's not that surprising that i find this fun...) > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:42:58 GMT, "Winnie da Fru aka Sara" > wrote: > > >"(Murray, w/ others) Geneveive, I do believe I can't go on this way > >(All) Now I know what freedom is on Independence Day." > > > >Anyone have any thoughts on what this means? Is it yet another > >song about a > >breakup? Trace says: > It sounds to me like a breakup song. > and the sense of loss and the feeling of being cast adrift > inherent in the children letting go their balloons. okay, i just really liked that observation... Vika says: > >"I stuck my hand into my coat > >Felt the letter that you wrote. > >I said "This is Independence Day. > >I wonder how I'll celebrate?"" > The first quote above tells me that he's only letting go because he > "can't go on this way." Now he knows what freedom is, but he isn't > saying that he likes it. Or that he doesn't like it. All he's > saying is that he's now free from whatever it is that's been > weighing him down. that's a way of looking at that song that hadn't even begun to occur to me...i am sort of under the impression that the narrator "can't go on" being without the person who wrote the letter. he was sort of forced into being free, and i got the impression that he didn't like it, because now he's "standing there alone" while everyone else seems to be having so much fun. Joe says: > "The city had a hot dog stand > and lovers walked hand in hand. > And me standing there alone > Except for the clowns I suppose." > > I'm at a loss for the first line. The rest is easy, when you look > at in a failed-relationship light: "Lovers walked hand in hand," but > not the narrator. He was "alone", and apparently either felt that > he was made to look bad at the end, or feels residual guilt about > the end. Thus, he groups himself with the "clowns" instead of the > "lovers". Plus, everyone digs the whole "tragic clown" > juxtaposition. this verse always reminds me of the whiskeytown song "avenues" in which there's a line that goes "all the sweethearts of the world are out dancin' in the places/where me and all my friends go to hide our faces." it just makes me think of all of the parties or dances or whatever that i've been to where i was the only one who was unattached and how lonely that feels. as for the clowns part, i think when you feel like you're all alone, you also feel like there obviously must be something wrong with you... > "Red and gold (red and gold...) bleed down to black. > Once it's gone (once it's gone), it won't come back." > > It's well and truly over. and maybe in a way the "it" in question could be referring to the person's feelings of love for the narrator? or maybe not... anyway, i hope some of that made sense! :) love lizzie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:05:49 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: Does it scare anyone else .... >>RChappo wrote: >> Mmmm...Interesting! >> you should try living in England..the radio here >>sucks!!! >> >I'm so glad the locals feel that way! When I was there (way >back in '90,) my sister and I ended > Hey, Greater London Radio is one of the best radio stations I've heard on either side of the Pond! I must admit I haven't listened to it for hours on end, but my fiance swears by it. - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:37:13 GMT From: Christine K Subject: Re: DIRECTIONS TO HARBOURFRONT Veronica (6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca) wrote: > FYI - if you're asking for directions, be sure to pronounce Quay as "Key". > I guarantee they will laugh if you don't - I've seen it happen. Plus, no > one has any idea what your talking about! :) *snip* I'm sure Duranies won't have any trouble pronouncing that word *nudge MC & Zard* since it is found in the song "(Waiting for the) Night Boat" o/~ standing on the edge of the quay o/~ (sorry, but everytime I see that word, that's all I think of *g*) You can find the song on their first LP "Duran Duran" - - and to think, I traded a Shaun Cassidy LP to get that album in 1984 at the Record Exchange. ;) Christine. - -Chrissy_K on irc ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* You know how you always see single shoes on the side of the road and always think "What kind of idiot loses a *shoe* right in the middle of nowhere??" Well, ask yourself no longer... ;P - MC ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:09:11 GMT From: hallofeyes@aol.com (Jordan Q. Doe) Subject: Re: Independence Day Question >"Then the wind swung around to the east And the rain came down in sheets. I saw trees bending to the ground And people running all around."<< Hey I wonder if there was rotten fruit on the bending trees? EH?! EH?? I love when 2 different songs (by apparently 2 different people) use the same imagery to get across the same theme. Trees bending to the ground would also imply a kind of death...trees straight up are full of life, reproductive, etc. When they are bending down they are dying. Of course trees bending down can also be given a FREUDIAN interpretation..wink wink.. I really love Independence Day. I cant wait till I get into a relationship and have it end just so I can listen to this song on more levels :)) I think that Independence Day can be picked at and interpreted, and I think the previous poster did a very good job. But also I think it can be enjoyed on a very simple direct level...I think a lot of songs are just showing powerful imagery just to get emotion across. People all around you having fun and holding hands, while you are all alone, is such an intense, and COMMON image, that sometimes words are hard to describe the feeling that goes along with it. Thats why I love songs like Independence Day. It DOESNT tell you how the narrator is feeling. He doesnt say "Now Im sad and depressed etc etc." You just see what HE is seeing, and KNOW how he feels. Jordan "My father calls them "grandma's cookies" but grandma's dead"-Matthew Koff "Clock in my head, clock on the wall, and the two of them don't agree at all"- XTC "Nice holes!"- Andy Partridge of XTC, after putting his fingers in my ears. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:36:07 GMT From: Snarky Spice Subject: Re: Frvous is everywhere... Fruvous is in Joan Rivers, but they're tryin' to get out... (chorus) Fruvous is everywhere, Fruvous is everything Fruvous is everybody, Fruvous is still the king... Couldn't resist... - --Amanda - -- You know me, you just don't know you know me Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:27:12 -0400 From: george Subject: Aug12th's Boston Show - Jess Klein Howdy all, I went to the free MF show on August 12th in Harvard Square followed by the Jess Klien show later that night (at which Jian, Murray, and Dave played backup) .. I've heard from quite a few sources that Jess's Archivist was offering board taps for those that wanted them... so, my humble request... would any newbie-friendly tape trader have a copy of Jess's Thursday night show @ Club Passim in Harvard Square (or otherwsise Wednesday's show)? if so, please email me @: mallomar at earthling dot net thanks in advance! - -george ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:35:25 GMT From: Snarky Spice Subject: Listening to Fruvous Albums (was Impressions) In article , "VINCENT G. CICILLINI" wrote: > > > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Hero93 wrote: > > > p.s. Someome said it took them, like, a month to finally come around > > to Wood... > > Um... Should it really take a month? I'm against knee-jerk first > > impressions(especially negative ones) as much as the next person, but a month? > > it can take a moment, a month, or many years. Maybe I'm the only one, but it took a long time before I could listen to Bargainville. I came in late, just last year. My first experince hearing Fruvous was after a Bela Fleck show, sitting on the floor of Ellen's living room; things were "pretty interesting" not to paraphrase Dave or anything... She played Live Noise for me. We went to see them a few weeks later and I was hooked. I went out and got LN, which I already knew I liked; Moon, which I liked instantly; and Bargainville, which I found lacking in depth, except for the Gulf War Song. After we came back from Northampton, I decided to give Bargainville another spin. It stayed in my CD player for a month, at least. I never have grown accustomed to the B'ville version of King of Spain, but otherwise... Now, it was a long time before I acquired Wood. It's never gone through a phase as my favorite Fruvous album, though I like all the songs on it. (Horseshoes remains my choice for the optimal Fruvous song because it showcases all the guys talents so completely, and it's quirky without being cheesy.) However, in the right mood, Wood hits the spot. - --Amanda Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 02:23:17 GMT From: bballmick@aol.com (Bballmick) Subject: BNL/Moxy Fruvous I recently heard a rumor that Moxy Fruvous may be opening for BNL during their winter tour... does anyone know if this is true? I personally think that this would be an incredible concert. The only drawback would be that Moxy would probably have a shorter set : ( Any other thoughts? Maria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:33:30 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Eaton's In article <7q1dcr$1dr$1@knot.queensu.ca>, 6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca says... > Josh said: > >[1] For any of you who may not know, Eaton's has been struggling for > >about a year now and finally announced they were closing all their stores > >some time in the near future. > > Yeah, they sure are, thus leaving my mother and my sister unemployed. Oh no! Eaton's is one of those childhood landmarks for me...I always think of my sister's class on a field trip[1] agreeing to meet up "east of Eaton's" and then laughing at that sounding like a movie title. k@, full of footnotes tonight. Or full of something. [1] CANADA is a wonderful, magical place with a planetarium, a museum and a great big swimming pool, and you get there on a school bus. - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:24:57 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Independence Day Question In article <37C4192C.E2812FFE@umich.edu>, navratil@umich.edu says... [snipped a lot of really good insight] > "I stuck my hand into my coat > Felt the letter that you wrote. > I said 'This is Independence Day. > I wonder how I'll celebrate?'" > > Apparently, the narrator had been expecting all of this -- why else > would you wear a coat in mid-July, except as a shield? See once again http://www.waitingforbob.com/comics/199907/id4.jpg ...scroll down, silly. "That's the third time in a row you've listened to that mp3." "Yeah, I know; I'm trying to get inspired for this drawing that I have to have done by tonight." (actual conversation chez TomKat, 7/99) And really, I do still think the "Life in a Northern Town" riff fits perfectly with the chorus of Indy Day - even the subject matter of both songs is similar to some extent. I'd love to hear the guys take off on it sometime. k@ disposable-contacts commercial notwithstanding - -- - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:12:24 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: First Impressions - Thornhill pictures In article <19990825154542.48964.qmail@hotmail.com>, daancing_queen@hotmail.com says... > I love the design of the album as well - terrific pictures, and I like how > the different styles of photos are used for the lads, showing their > diversity. Any comments about what the different styles show about each > guy? Just a thought. Okay, I'll comment, as I am all too readily wont to do after having had Pringles and wine for dinner (will I ever learn?)... I was a little disappointed at the lack of lyrics in the liner notes at first, and sort of surprised, I guess, by the different styles of photos of the guys. But yeah, the more I look (and I'm looking at 'em right now), the more I think they're perfect. So here's my loopy take on 'em... Jian: My friend Laura[1] fell in love with Jian, unheard and unseen, based on his picture on the back of YWGTTM. I tried to show her this one while she was listening to IWHO, and it was all just too much for her to bear - I won't give the exact quote of her words, but they had something to do with her having been single way too long. Expect a new Jian's People next time the guys come through Denver. (I must say, for my own opinion, he does look very sweet and "real-person" in that shot. As I know he is.) Murray: Doesn't this perfectly show off the Many Faces of Murray? The graphics geek in me wonders if those shots were printed directly off the film like that or just composed to look like it (I'm guessing the former). The stickler in me laments that one of Murray's faces was a little obscured by ink bleed from Mike's autograph on my copy. No matter. He's introspective and mysterious and mischievous and utterly beguiling. Mike: Mr. Photogenic. Has he *ever* taken a bad picture? This shot just makes you speculate on what might be going on behind those eyes, and you know that whatever it is, it's a lot. Dave: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Dave, up close and personal. What was that about being single too long? 6 days 'til the spousal unit[2] returns, and until then I'd better keep my impure thoughts[3] to myself (whoops, too late). Actually, I'd have preferred to see *more* of him. But there are plenty more pictures where that one came from. Yikes, 8:00, time to get drawing now, I guess. k@, sometimes more idiot than savant [1] That's Skinny Ex-Coworker Laura J., not Ms. Laura O., for those (one) of you playing along at home. [2] Yep, you know I'm gonna catch hell for that. [3] See [2] - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:53:04 GMT From: saphiracat@birdlover.com Subject: Re: BNL/Moxy Fruvous ---- you wrote: > I recently heard a rumor that Moxy Fruvous may be opening for BNL during their > winter tour... does anyone know if this is true? I personally think that this > would be an incredible concert. The only drawback would be that Moxy would > probably have a shorter set : ( Any other thoughts? > Maria > Hmm....2 Canadian bands...both equally good...both with very good music...and both that do good shows.....I think it would definitely be an awsome show (if it's true) Moxy would get a shorter set probably, but it would still be great. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:41:40 -0400 From: dopeytoo Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FCvous?= is everywhere... Dorky Spice wrote: > > Total tangent...I managed to turn my dad into a big ol' Sue-head last > weekend my friend couldn't make it to a fruvous show last week, so i dragged my dad along.... today, he asked if he could borrow my cd's while i was at work, and when i came home he had a mix tape all made up (mostly political stuff, he loves GMIA)... my dad's so cute..... and keep in mind he's in his late 50's and usually listens to nothing but motown... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:39:33 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Frvous is everywhere... In article <37C454A7.6DC0@op.net>, mccown@op.net says... > i went to see the nields on sunday in king of > prussia (susan werner's going to be there on september 5th!) Total tangent...I managed to turn my dad into a big ol' Sue-head last weekend at the Rocky Mountain Folks Fest. My parents had a great time there and are now plotting how to get my nephews out here for the next one (maybe the lads will grace us with their presence then too? *I hope I hope*). k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:47:24 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Independence Day Question People, People... I can't believe you're ALL missing the point of this song!! This song is totally and completely about Murray wishing he was an American. Duh. The line that mystified Joe: "The city had a hot-dog stand..." What's more American than Hot Dogs and baseball? and more obviously: "I said 'This is Independence Day, I wonder how I'll celebrate'" : Murray doesn't know how to celebrate, he's gotta think about it. He knows about the fireworks, though. But Balloons? Nobody's messes with balloons on Independence Day, too dangerous. No balloons. Sparklers, yes. Geez. Maudlin songs about breakups? Melancholy and depression? Alienation from others? What are you people thinking? Moxy Fruvous doesn't sing songs like that! Ridiculous. I suggest you all go back and listen more carefully to the words and pay attention to context. I mentioned that this is my favorite song, right? ciao, donna ~~~This bit of obnoxious banter brought to you by a class of brand-new first graders, the letters M and F, and the number 7. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 1999 03:06:32 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEZy/HZvdXMgaXMgZXZlcnl3aGVyZS4uLg==?= The observant Traci noted: >>love >>lizzie > >ahem *cough* what's that "e" doing there? > >Truth in advertising babe. :-) Excellent point. Let it be known that somewhere between L Street and Pentagon City, Lizzi's *mom* told her it was time for her to drop the "e" .... She's been outed, once and for all. :) - -- Lori ******************** I mean ... if you're going to be degenerate, you might as well be a lady about it, don't you think? ~~ Armistead Maupin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:28:26 GMT From: "Valerie Jones" Subject: Re: First Impressions - Thornhill pictures Dorky Spice wrote some precious things about the Thornhill photos, and mentioned: > I was a little disappointed at the lack of lyrics in the liner notes at first, . . . a couple of people have mentioned this before and i have a theory. of course, you may have to be as aged as me to remember this, but when i bought vinyl back in the days when it was that or 8-tracks, there were rarely *ever* any lyrics included with the record. this may have been attributed to: 1) there was no place to put them ... all you got was a paper album sleeve (unless the band went big budget and included a booklet -- and wow was that exciting back then -- haha!) or 2) bands in the 70s didn't want us to know what they were actually saying, because many of the words were kinda lame. so if Thornhill is a concept CD, and the cover art shows an old stereo with turntable, and the back of the CD shows dave holding an album ... i guess my point is that it makes Thornhill more like something we would've picked up back in 'da days. of course, *Thornhill's* lyrics *are* worth printing/reading/understanding/loving/treasuring/cuddling/blahblahblah . . . ok, enough from me. ~v~ valerie@fruhead.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #746 ********************************************