From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #738 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 738 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NoHo : Review [kevin@overtone.org] Re: Mix 99.9 appearance on Wednesday - details! [beebolini.NOSPAM@fruhead] Re: Does it scare anyone else .... [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fru] Re: Canadian Release... [Irene Gaspar ] Re: Does it scare anyone else .... [saphiracat@birdlover.com] Re: strange ppl (was: NYE and NYD) [Christine K ] Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead ] Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) [shadoeme@aol] Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions [chad schrock ] Re: OT but musical at least ["ellen p. buckley" ] Re: a new fruvous radio station??? [chad schrock ] Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) ["Kate Leahy"] Re: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff [Donna Hunt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:10:21 GMT From: kevin@overtone.org Subject: Re: NoHo : Review /me hands Zard the cheezy pun award. (sorry Adam, professional punsters were disqualified in advance) Kevin 'never heard that one before' Way Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:22:04 GMT From: beebolini.NOSPAM@fruhead.com (Brent McNamee) Subject: Re: Mix 99.9 appearance on Wednesday - details! On 23 Aug 1999 13:26:37 GMT, Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote: >Umm... change the www.mix999.com to www.mix999.fm and you're laughing! It doesn't matter - they're the same web site. ----------[ Brent McNamee - Woodstock, Ontario, CANADA ]------------ bmcnamee NOSPAM @fruhead.com | The answer to the Great (remove the NOSPAM to mail me) | Question of Life, the Universe http://www.execulink.com/~brentmac/ | and Everything: 42 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 02:06:57 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Does it scare anyone else .... Saphiracat queried: >> To hear a random radio cut of, say, Billie Jean done by *Michael Jackson*? >What exactly do you mean by that? (Sorry, I'm a bit of an MJ fan) Sorry I was oblique. Just meant I've come to think of it as a *Früvous* song. Along with Psycho Killer, and Love Potion, and Signed Sealed and Delivered .... Hearing the original, and that moment of recognition that no it's *not* the lads, is a little spooky, is all I meant. - -- Lori Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~ ~^~ ^~^~^~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~^~^~ ^~^~^~ ^~^~^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:30:43 GMT From: Irene Gaspar Subject: Re: Canadian Release... true north records wrote: > > Just a quick note to remind everyone that tomorrow, August 24, Thornhill is available at all > major Canadian retail outlets! Finally. 'bout bloody time! > Also, here's a tip, dial in to Toronto's radio station Mix 99.9 for their Morning Show this > Wednesday, August 25, at 8:30 am eastern time. That's what we have on at work. (Watch this--I'll have the busiest morning ever, and scarcely hear a thing.) What I'm wondering is if the Mix will *keep* playing Fruvous. What they've done in the past is have them on the show, and then not play their music. Go figure. Here's hoping Thornhill will be different. Pleasant T.O. thought: Harbourfront's a coming. Goodnight, Irene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:54:15 GMT From: saphiracat@birdlover.com Subject: Re: Does it scare anyone else .... ---- you wrote: > Saphiracat queried: > > >> To hear a random radio cut of, say, Billie Jean done by *Michael Jackson*? > > > > >What exactly do you mean by that? (Sorry, I'm a bit of an MJ fan) > > Sorry I was oblique. Just meant I've come to think of it as a *Früvous* song. > Along with Psycho Killer, and Love Potion, and Signed Sealed and Delivered .... > > Hearing the original, and that moment of recognition that no it's *not* the > lads, is a little spooky, is all I meant. > > -- Lori > Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~ > ~^~ ^~^~^~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ > ~^~^~^~ ^~^~^~ ^~^~^~^~~~ > My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html > The spiffy amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html > > OK. Thanks. Just wanted to know. :-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:44:56 -0700 From: Christine K Subject: Re: strange ppl (was: NYE and NYD) Hell Hotel wrote: > I don't know about the rest of you, but times square is the LAST place I > want to be on this NYE. I mean, if anything frigged up is gonna > happen...it's gonna happen there. There are a lot of sick sick people out > there. I just hope that the sick people stay away from buffallo!! Obviously, you've never been to the bus station in Buffalo - at any time of the day or year. ;) Christine. - --Chrissy_K on irc ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* You know how you always see single shoes on the side of the road and always think "What kind of idiot loses a *shoe* right in the middle of nowhere??" Well, ask yourself no longer... ;P - MC ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:58:18 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: OT: chad alleges Trace and Lori get lost easily Veronica J Gruneberg wrote: > > See, this is how little this damned city makes sense!! :) Toronto > has a few roads that come into it in a nice east-west north-south > type direction in a straight line!! In fact, Southern Ontario is > more or less one giant grid! How exciting! Wow! :) > According to my map and the signs, these highways are different > things! Yup. We have a lot of 95s around here. Plus a lot of other numbers to make life interesting. > Grrr... And yes, I know 695 goes around Baltimore - I should have > said coming *towards* DC, rather than coming into it. But Baltimore > seems to be the beginning and the end of all my directional > problems! ;) NY, PA - no problem. It's Baltimore that confuses me. All you have to do is stay on 95. It goes right through the city. Really! :) (Unless you are coming down 81 to 83 to 695. (Then you just get on the inner loop to 95 south.)) > And the sad part? I'm seriously considering another trip in the > very near future! But not until *after* my friend has driven > up here! :) Oh, hon.... Ditch MapQuest and let Ellen & I give you directions. (Just remember to read the signs, in case one of us messes up the exit numbers. :) DC is *not* that hard to drive in. Well, at least Northwest isn't. I just have a problem in NE, it seems. - -- chad at radix dot net You don't navigate, you feel. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 02:53:12 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff ellen said- >as an aside, the misplaced story was another example of me feeling like i >know a little more about this band than i really want to (the classic one >is IOYK-- i loved it when it was an occasional treat, but could never >help feeling that i was reading an incredibly personal and intimate >letter from a man to his wife... knowing who the two people are makes me >feel a bit like an intruder, and hearing it all the time causes it to >lose some of the intimacy, for me it's funny...i really really like this song. partly because it's *so* personal. but, it is a bit *too* real. and when i think about it...i feel really bad for mike. really bad for him. he seems happy. like he loves what he does...but...then theres this song. doesn anyone else see this song as a foreshadowing of the demise of the moxy fruvous quartet? proof that they are growing up...that mike needs to REALLY settle down. so the sadness of this song is odd. on some level it's the sadness of any sad song. it's honesty, it's lyrical artisty, it's musical beauty, make it an increadably beautifyl work of art. but...knowing that it *is* honest, part of me just wants to give mike a big warm hug and tell him to go home to her...that it's ok to say goodbye...to us. which brings the OTHER level of sadness. the really selfish sadness that fruvous is NOT going to be around for ever because he *should* go home. i'm gonna miss them. i DO love this song. but it makes me feel guilty. solem genna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:07:52 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > You know, I felt this way at first -- too much info derails the intro -- but > then I figured, if Jian felt comfortable with this audience knowing that much, > and/or considered it important in launching the song to explain that part, who > am I or anyone else to say he shouldn't do that? OK, This has been rattling around in my brain since this whole "Misplaced Intro" thread came up, and I can't think of a way to make this not sound rude... so all I can say is that I don't want to sound rude, but this is what I have to say [and remember, I wasn't there, so take this with a grain of salt]: I feel that "Misplaced" is pretty obviously about what Jian said it was about. I've always thought the song was about a relationship that distance pretty much destroyed; between the lines "Distance was the accomplice that saw me lose" and "I was out in the field, collecting strength for my shield, and I misplaced what made me real" I think it's awfully clear. Considering the writer of the song is a touring musician, it's not terribly hard to put two and two together. So Jian, in an attempt to bring folks he already *knows* are really into the band and the music, decides to give the audience more than the obvious. I think it's very open of him. (Unless he made the whole thing up, in which case... what a great story.) I'm really surprised to hear sentiments like "Damn, I don't want to know anything personal about these guys!" floating around *here*! Amazing. It's got to be one of the signs of the apocalypse. :) Again, I was trying really hard not to be bitchy. But y'know what I mean? ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 02:45:08 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) ellen said: >as an aside, the misplaced story was another example of me feeling like i >know a little more about this band than i really want to i'm >not sure how i feel about knowing the details of how said relationship >failed. music is, to a certain extent, an escape vehicle, and knowing >that the subject of the song was a woman jian dated during the >bargainville era and that he dumped her unceremoniously and knowing her >name and so on and so on... well, it brings the reality of the song >crashing in. You know, I felt this way at first -- too much info derails the intro -- but then I figured, if Jian felt comfortable with this audience knowing that much, and/or considered it important in launching the song to explain that part, who am I or anyone else to say he shouldn't do that? This man always shares a lot with his audiences, far more than I'd feel comfortable doing, but there's a reason he's a performer and I'm not, and I'm not about to tell him his approach is wrong. It's *his* life and comfort level, after all, and only he can judge where the barriers are, where the curtains drop and his truly private space begins. >> It was a >> sad story, of how the tour helped end what had been a great >> relationship, and the song Misplaced came out of that experience. > >the way you tell it is the way i wish jian had told it. if that makes >any sense. Lawrence put it diplomatically, agreed. But the way Lawrence put it also pretty much summed up what we could already guess about the song. Jian apparently wanted to extend more understanding with the live performance than is available to the wood listener. When this type of thing happens (in concert or in other aspects of life), yes, sometimes I feel like I'm peering where I shouldn't. It can be a little uncomfortable to uncover difficult or private aspects of someone else's life, especially when I'm not expecting or intending to do that. But if they offer me that information freely, I also view it as an honor to be entrusted with that information -- and I think that honoring the audience is what Jian did the other night at the Rams Head. - -- Lori Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~ ~^~ ^~^~^~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~^~^~ ^~^~^~ ^~^~^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 03:04:03 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) zard wrote >1/3 Persian, just a slight correction. if it is indeed "persian" (ive never heard this song) that's not the right name for the language. it is probably farsi (sp?). jian uses bit's of farsi in no no raja too. (and prob other songs, that i cant think of now). sorry to be a pain in the ass about that. but it's one of those things that bugs me solem genna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:00:14 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) Jian's been giving a lot of extended explanations for his songs lately . . . perhaps in light of the dismissal by some of "When She Talks" as fluff . . . ~~Kate, who likes the song - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:04:57 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions Nicole the Wonder Nerd wrote: - -snip- > judgment. The standout tracks for me at this point are Splatter > Splatter and Independence Day (I this song... the vivid yet > dreamlike imagery, the way it builds up and then lets go... > everything. On my list of favourite Frusongs already.) You know, I'm glad you all are finally starting to come around and realize that Independance Day is such an incredible song. :) - -- chad at radix dot net not so alone anymore.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:44:27 +0000 From: "ellen p. buckley" Subject: Re: OT but musical at least Wbsmiles wrote: > > See you there Ellen! Any hints on the best way to the Lakefront to > avoid the Merriwether traffic (Tori Amos and Alanis)? Thanks! oh dear god, please tell me you're kidding. i had no idea. *sigh* if i knew you had a bike, i'd say come and park at my house and we'll ride bikes there. ;) hmmmm well what i usually do for lakefront shows is park in one of the lots off to the side of what used to be the columbia inn (it's a sheraton now, i think). sterrett pl would be the place to turn in off little patuxent pkway. but as for getting around merriweather post traffic... yeesh, that's going to suck. if i think of something good tomorrow, i'll let you know. peace, ellen ****************************************** Airborne with nothing to land on... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:26:33 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: a new fruvous radio station??? Groovy Spice wrote: > speaking of which, how about some DC people get off their butts > and start calling WRNR more? ;) the last time i called to request > something off thornhill, jay peterson said, "oh, you must be my > moxy fruvous fan." i said, "i'm not the ONLY one, y'know," and > he said, "yes, you are, you're the only one that calls me to ask > for moxy fruvous." oooh. I guess I should call him, huh? :) > this must be rectified. show that smartass that i'm right. > 410-269-1031. > > peace, > ellen (this means YOU, chad) yes ma'am. I will call him tomorrow morning. I'll even turn down 'XPN. :) Actually, I was going to call tonight, on my way home from work, but I couldn't find the phone. (They guy had misplaced the song for the thing they do at 9.00, so I wanted to suggest something off of 'Thornhill.' Blasted phone, somewhere in my car...) - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:58:57 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) >just a slight correction. if it is indeed "persian" (ive never heard this >song) that's not the right name for the language. it is probably farsi (sp?). > jian uses bit's of farsi in no no raja too. (and prob other songs, that i cant >think of now). Actually, most linguists I know of consider Farsi and Persian equivalent terms (this includes Jila Ghomeshi, Jian's sister, who specializes in the language as a university linguistics professor and posts to the Linguist List which I read because I'm a dork :). They use them interchangably. ~~Kate, who finds it bizarre that she knew of Jila before she knew of Jian, mostly because she also specializes in morphology, which is just really cool :) - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:17:03 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff ShadoeMe wrote: [about "If Only You Knew"] > doesn anyone else see this song as a foreshadowing of the demise of the moxy > fruvous quartet? proof that they are growing up...that mike needs to REALLY > settle down. Well, dramaticness about the demise of fruvous aside, I've been feeling that the lines from "Half as Much": "In a year or two, we'll see this distance and this heartache through," signify something similar. A year or two. Again, to avoid the drama... yes, I'm sure Mike misses his family while on the road, and I'm sure Murray, Jian, and Dave have people they're missing from home too. [and towels ;) ] But we have to trust that they're doing what they're doing because they *want* to, and when it stops being worth it for them, they'll stop. Similarly, they'll share with us what they want to share, in songs and in chatter. In the meantime, we get the benefits of some beautiful song writing. ciao, donna ---> "This too shall pass, my child of the sun, this too shall pass away" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:15:32 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: OT: chad alleges Trace and Lori get lost easily (was: Re: Are You "Alt"?) Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > chad snarked at Trace: > >
Subject: OT: Trace and Lori get lost easily
> Hey!  Take me outta that header.   I'm never lost.  Just occasionally
> misdirected, according to angie.  :>

Like maria said, it's funny that you add me but leave you.

> And Trace, fair's fair -- chad wasn't the only one to advise the
> wrong exit number in that particular 24-hour period.  And at
> least he didn't attempt to send the Frübus to the Pentagon .... ;)

Don't tell me that you gave the guys directions......  I'm 
surprised that they didn't end up in Richmond.
 
> >Oh yes, that is it.  I wanted to eat the cost of even more tickets.
> chad, dear, while I think it's exceedingly altruistic of you to
> attempt to supply all this extra breathing space for those who
> actually do attend, after toying with the procedure at the Vault
> I must say that on a regular basis it strikes me as uneconomical.

Well, the Vault was a special case.  My blondness was acting up
and I left the tickets at home.


Oh and Trace, how would you have paid for the ticket if I had 
gotten you lost on the way there?  Hmmm?


> >> Now I know that I've recovered from Hell Week.  I'm back on
> >> the ng and arguing with schrock.  Life is good.
> >Speak for yourself.
> awww.   Life can't be that bad if you're going to Harbourfront.  :)

Two and a half days until I leave.  :)

- --
chad at radix dot net

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Date: 24 Aug 1999 03:43:52 GMT
From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)
Subject: Re: OT: chad alleges Trace and Lori get lost easily (was: Re: Are You 

chad shuddered:

>Don't tell me that you gave the guys directions......  I'm 
>surprised that they didn't end up in Richmond.

Certainly not.  We did, however, try to follow the directions they had, and
wound up at that creepy building.

>Well, the Vault was a special case.  My blondness was acting up
>and I left the tickets at home.

We scare me sometimes.  Make that usually.

- -- Lori, the REAL blonde here.  He's just making excuses.  :P

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Date: 24 Aug 1999 03:53:40 GMT
From: acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78)
Subject: Re: Don Dixon

Hugh wrote:
>Listen to a track on "Reckoning" called 
>"Don't Go Back to Rockville". At the >beginning is a brief studio outtake of
Bill >Berry and Peter Buck noodling and Stipe >crooning "Gettin' in the mood!"
in
>his Elvis voice.
>
>Very Thornhill.

Yay! I've been meaning to post something about this for awhile, esp since REM
were my band obsession before Fruvous. Murmur and Reckoning both have "found
noises" like the static in "Radio Free Europe" or the weird rumbles in "We
Walk" that are actually Bill Berry and Mike Mills playing pool. And like Hugh
said, there are goofy studio moments (also the funky one somewhere in Reckoning
with Michael Stipe going, "You gooooot it!")

Hey, if anyone's actually interested in this stuff, you should check out It
Crawled from the South: An REM Companion, by Marcus Gray. Everything you ever
wanted to know about REM and then some. Come on, who doesn't want to read about
Mike Mills climbing water towers naked?

Carey

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:50:04 GMT
From: "Valerie Jones" 
Subject: Re: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff 

if i had a man who wrote songs like that for me, i'd tell him to keep on
touring if that's what it takes to get the love.  look around ... the
world's full of miserable relationships ... maybe everybody should live
apart 200 days of the years and there'd be a lot more romance goin' on.  ;)

> increadably beautifyl work of art.  but...knowing that it *is* honest,
part of
> me just wants to give mike a big warm hug and tell him to  go home to
> her...that it's ok to say goodbye...to us.  which brings the OTHER level
of
> sadness.  the really selfish sadness that fruvous is NOT going to be
around for
> ever because he *should* go home. i'm gonna miss them.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:41:05 -0400
From: Fiona 
Subject: DIRECTIONS TO HARBOURFRONT

Since no one asked me for directions last time, and a considerable
number of Americans got LOST... here are my various directions for
getting to Harbourfront, and navigating the large area that IS
Harbourfront, in order to find Molson Place.

COMING BY CAR FROM THE WEST (Buffalo, Rochester, St Catharines.. you
people)
Take the QEW (Queen Elizabeth Way) East to the Gardiner Expressway. Get
off the Gardiner at York St and take York south for the block or less
until you hit Queen's Quay Boulevard. Turn right onto that street, and
cruise along looking at the miles of parking lot on your right hand side
(that's what it seems like sometimes anyway) Park, get out, cross
Queen's Quay Blvd and keep walking south till you hit the edge of the
lake. If you went a considerable distance past York St then head to your
left. Otherwise, head to your right. You're looking for an ampitheatre
with a roof and no walls. 

COMING BY CAR FROM THE EAST (Kingston, Ottawa, Montreal, Vermont, people
licensed by Canada Customs to tape Fruvous shows...)
Take the 401 to the DVP (Don Vally Parkway) South to the Gardiner
Expressway or Lakeshore Blvd. Get off either one at York St and take
York south for the block or less until you hit Queen's Quay Boulevard.
Turn right onto that street, and cruise along looking at the miles of
parking lot on your right hand side (that's what it seems like sometimes
anyway) Park, get out, cross Queen's Quay Blvd and keep walking south
till you hit the edge of the lake. If you went a considerable distance
past York St then head to your left. Otherwise, head to your right.
You're looking for an ampitheatre with a roof and no walls. 

COMING BY BUS
Get yourself into the Departures area of the bus terminal and take the
escalator downstairs. Follow the hallway, past the Second Cup, until you
come to a door to the outside. Exit here and enter the Atrium by opening
the doors directly in front of you. Keep walking in the same direction,
keep your eyes peeled for signs pointing to your right saying "SUBWAY".
Follow these signs. Keep reading - find the SOUTHBOUND side, and pay the
fare. Get on and ride the subway past Queen and King. You're getting off
at Union. Find stairs that say something along the lines of ACCESS TO
LRT and use those to go upstairs off the platform. Follow signs to the
LRT stop. (No extra fare.. unless you use the OTHER stairs to go
upstairs) You're getting off at.. I believe it's just called "York St".
The drivers are very helpful. If you ask to be let off near Queen's Quay
Terminal, or explain you're going to Molson Place, (NOT Molson
Ampitheatre at Ontario Place) they should know where to take you. It's
an above-ground stop, just in front of that handy little blue house I've
been mentioning. Walk west from here, turning south again when it won't
involve you walking *right* into the water. On your right will be
Queen's Quay Terminal. On your left will be a boat or two. Once you're
right down at the lake's edge turn right and just keep walking.
Evenutally you'll see a bandshell/ampitheatre type structure. That would
be Molson's Place.

COMING FROM UNION STATION (Jeff and Amy this is mostly for you)
Exit the street level of Union onto Front Street. (The doors are
labelled) Turn left - the first intersection you hit will be York St and
Front. Walk south on York St. Make sure you are on the right hand side
of York St, or crossing Lakeshore Blvd becomes more complicated.
Eventually you will see a little blue cabin which is called the
Harbourmaster's Office. Walk west from here, turning south again when it
won't involve you walking *right* into the water. On your right will be
Queen's Quay Terminal. On your left will be a boat or two. Once you're
right down at the lake's edge turn right and just keep walking.
Evenutally you'll see a bandshell/ampitheatre type structure. That would
be Molson's Place.

If you get there early.. look for Fruheads anyway. A couple of us
Torontonians work too close to want to go home first. If you can't find
any, note the location of Molson Place and start wandering. Visit the
Power Plant art gallery. Have a look through Queen's Quay Terminal.
Support Your Local Busker. There's lots to see and do - most of it free
unless you're shopping. (I've never bought anything at Queen's Quay
Terminal but BOY is it fun to look) If you're there *really* early head
east to the Ferry Docks and take a trip to Centre Island. Or Hanlon's
Point, if you'd like some nude sunbathing *g* Harbourfront is my
favourite place in Toronto. Get to know it a little. And oh yeah..
sunblock.

- -- 
"Even if you don't like it a song, you can't devalue it - it came from
somewhere, y'know?" - Kate Leahy

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