From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #716 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, August 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 716 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Doctor Who and Fru [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)] "Grudge" ["Novac" ] Re: snarky?? (is that the word?) [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queens] Re: hehehe....let's see if this works, eh? [cookie ] TIC: Fruvous Violence ["Novac" ] maybe i missed somethin [sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26)] Re: Fruvous Acrostics. [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)] Re: Gordon's acrostics [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)] Re: Doctor Who and Fru [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)] Re: OT: SNMNMNM album info! [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Annapolis show [Chris Porter ] Re: "Grudge" [Bridget ] Re: OT: Christine Lavin (Was: Deb grounded for life) [gordonlew@aol.com] Re: Fruvous + F'Loom?? [Paul Mischler ] Re: Personal Moment from Seaport-reaction to "The Drinking Song" [Bridget] half OT half Re: Thornhill contraversy waiting to happen [sugarfly26@aol.] Re: jian is a good guy [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] Re: OT: Christine Lavin (Was: Deb grounded for life) [happygirl@fruhead] Re: Clothing trends [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Question: Mike's Harmonica [Paul Mischler ] Re: Annapolis show [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: Doctor Who and Fru [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] Re: OT: Christine Lavin (Was: Deb grounded for life) [shadoeme@aol.com ] who owns which parts of what states and why it doesnt matter [shadoeme@ao] Re: OT: Christine Lavin [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] my scary scare [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: OT: Christine Lavin [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] Ramshead and stuff (long) [Lawrence P Solomon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:28:47 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: Doctor Who and Fru >Ace was more my type of companion! I totally wanted to be her when I was >12 (either her or the blond Romana). And would probably mix better with >the guys, don't you think? Ack, a Sylvestor McCoy Companion. I watched those episodes out of duty, not really my speed. She would fit in well with Fruvous though. So would Susan, the first Doctors "Grandchild." The typical precosious young woman so common among Fruheads, cleary one of Jian's people. Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:17:38 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: "Grudge" I remember hearing Grudge for the first time in concert a while back (was it Buffalo?). It wasn't one of my favourite tunes, and it also isn't on Thornhill. Anyone know anything about why it's not on there? - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 03:53:11 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: snarky?? (is that the word?) Snarky is a Canadian term???!!!!! Who knew?? Well, it's a good one. 'Cause the people I was dealing with at work today sure were being all snarky!! :) Veronica (very seldom snarky) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:47:14 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: hehehe....let's see if this works, eh? Josh Drury wrote: > > Gruneberg Veronica J wrote: > > > The MEC/North Face thing?? Those yellow jackets that everyone who is too > > cool to follow the Queen's jacket trend got to be original? > > Ah, yes. That happened here too. At one point I thought they had discontinued > all jackets in colours other than yellow with black trim. Wow. I honestly have NO IDEA what you guys are talking about. Does this mean flannel isn't "in" anymore? What about Doc Martins and Berks? Cookie (Apparently a few years behind in fashion trends.) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 03:54:24 GMT From: jimmosk@unix2.netaxs.com (Jim Moskowitz) Subject: Fruvous + F'Loom?? Near the end of the Ocean City show, Jian mentioned that this week had been one of the best of his life, between the release of Thornhill and Moxy getting to play with so many of their favorite musicians. One of the groups he mentioned was F'Loom, which made my jaw drop. I didn't think _anybody_ else had heard of them, let alone Moxy! They're a foursome from Rochester NY who've done incredibly bizarre and sometimes hilarious things with the spoken (sometimes shoued) word and digital looping effects. I've never heard F'Loom live, just have their cd... but now I want to know everything about this F'Loom/Fruvous concert! When did it happen? Did they do anything together? Most importantly, does _anyone_ have a tape of it? I can at least trade the tape I made yesterday morning of their appearance on WXPN here in Philadelphia. Thanks extremely! Jim ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:25:12 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: OT: Christine Lavin ARRRGGGGHHHHH. Christine had invited me as her guest to see her tonight at 8:30the Brokerage Club on Long Island. My father was scheduled for hip replacement surgery at 2AM in Manhattan. This didn't seem to be a problem since the Surgery was only to take 2 hours. It didn't start until 8 PM. I made it to the Brokerage Club in time to hear the applause as the show ended. My Father is Fine so now I can feel free to be mad about missing the show. I did get to talk to Christine after the show and give her a copy of the Acrostic I wrote her. If you'd like to see it got to. http://fruhead.com/users/DrWhoFru/cla.html It has a link to my Moxy Page on it, but I hear it isn't working. Back to the drawing board. I have no idea what this has to do with anything but I felt the need of an outlet to rant and rave. Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:05:15 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: Clothing trends Dorky Spice wrote in message news:MPG.1224ecf7f98eed469898e2@news.dimensional.com... > In article <7peprd$30s$1@knot.queensu.ca>, 4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca says... > > Hey everyone can jump on board and > > tell us their worst/favourite trends (or I could simply point out how very > > very cool the FruBoys clothing is and therefore make this post on-topic) > OK, on-topic discussion of the FruLads' clothing: What was up with that brownish-orange shirt Murray wore a couple of times--the one with horses & other stuff on the front??? Y'know, the ugly one? Oh, and why doesn't he wear it any more? I miss it... - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:27:31 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: TIC: Fruvous Violence wrote in message news:f0af383b.24ecc9c4@aol.com... > Moxy Fruvous promotes violence about as much as do 98 Degrees, N-Sync, or the > Backstreet Boys. [NB: Before you read this, note that this post is purely tongue-in-cheek. In fact, at some points, my tounge was so far in my cheek, I thought I had swallowed it. So, that having been said, read this post, and don't flame me.] Oh, the FruLads are DEFINITELY promoters of violence!!! Take these songs, for instance: ...As noted previously, "Splatter Splatter"... *"Kick in the Ass". What's this song about? Purely violence! *"KILLER Tents:...you can't deny that one! *"Psycho KILLER"...same as above *"Michigan MILITIA": Militia? War song! *"Today's the Day We Fight Back": Fighting? Violent! *"Fell in Love": Falling? Sounds kinda violent... *"Earthquakes": What are earthquakes? VIOLENT earth tremors! *"Gulf WAR Song": War, war, war! *"HATE Letter": Promotion of hate crimes, obviously... *--Fruvous has also been known to play alongside the VIOLENT Femmes! There's another giveaway! And songs that promote other vices: "My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors: infidelity *"Love Set Fire": arsony *"Naked Puppets": nudity *"The Incredible Medicine Show": drugs *"Morphée": promotes drugs (especially Morphine) *"Jockey Full of Bourbon" alcoholism *"The Drinking Song" This one is also a promotion of alcoholism. *"La Complainte Du Phoque En Alaska": This one just has naughty language... I'm sure there are others that I missed--especially lines within songs... - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:50:52 GMT From: sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) Subject: maybe i missed somethin maybe im not getting all the messages...i still dont know what snarky means exactly...someone??? please?? enlighten me? im confused!!! :) - -----------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:29:58 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: Fruvous Acrostics. >"Underground heroes to we, the MoxyMorons." "MoxyMorons" was the name for Fru fans before Fruheads. Its not my invention, though I love the name. Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:34:03 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: Gordon's acrostics >LoL those are great!! If anybody hasn't seen them yet... check 'em out. :) >funny! > >Maggie Thank you Maggie! Praise from a Fruhead is especially prized. I know you must have good taste! Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:31:48 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: Doctor Who and Fru >Oh no, that is just silly. The aliens *know* that Dave is one of their >own kind. Who do you think put him here? You fell for the Ruse. don't you know that Murray is the Alien, always beware the quiet ones. Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:50:18 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: OT: SNMNMNM album info! ok, I'm probably the only one, but did anyone else for a brief moment think that Lori's screen name had snagged a record deal? ;-) ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:49:11 -0400 From: Chris Porter Subject: Annapolis show Did I miss something, or was that a show taken entirely from Wood and Thornhill? It occurred to me about 2/3 through the main set that I couldn't think of anything they played from Bargainville, Moon or B. I guess we'll know when somebody posts a set-list... Anyway, another great show! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:25 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: "Grudge" - --- Novac wrote: > I remember hearing Grudge for the first time in > concert a while back (was it > Buffalo?). It wasn't one of my favourite tunes, > and it also isn't on > Thornhill. Anyone know anything about why it's > not on there? > --Novac "way to go murray" backlash... (o; === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:19:42 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: OT: Christine Lavin (Was: Deb grounded for life) >Also check out her work with The Four Bitchin' Babes: Sally Fingerett, Megan >McDonough and a 3rd ever-shifting person (sometimes Patty Larkin, sometimes >Julie Gold, who wrote "From a Distance", sometime Camille West). YOu should also mention Cheryl Wheeler who was at Falcon Ridge with the lads, was a one time Babe. Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:58:57 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: Fruvous + F'Loom?? Jim, the concert was the Milestones Concert, in Rochester on 8/10. The reviews are available on-line from: http://www.fruvous.com/99rev/990810a.html As for tape trading, I don't know who you could ask... although I'm sure your post will bring you offers ;-) - -Paul Mischler Jim Moskowitz wrote: > When did it happen? Did they do anything together? Most importantly, > does _anyone_ have a tape of it? I can at least trade the tape I made > yesterday morning of their appearance on WXPN here in Philadelphia. > > Thanks extremely! > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:43:22 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: Personal Moment from Seaport-reaction to "The Drinking Song" - --- LSan497884@aol.com wrote: > And this song reminds me of friends who came > back from Nam and talked about > their experiences there. I can just see them > sitting in lounge chairs on the > roof of some building watching the "fireworks" > in the sky. Of course, that's > because my "life experience" pre-dates much of > the many participants in this > NG... Oh, well. can i just say that i _love_ to read lois' posts... lois, by becoming a "regular" poster you have brought quite a lot to the discussions on the ng. it's part of the constant reminder of how diverse we are as a group. that's what i love most about being here. further... people like lois, ^kat^'s mom, joy's mom, jen & kate's mom... you guys have unwittingly fueled a conspiracy brewing between my sister and i... we're planning to drag our unsuspecting mom (kicking & screaming if need be) to at least _one_ show when the lads are here halloween weekend... (o; ok, enough of my sleep-deprived ramblings. i'm going to bed. 'til next time! === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 04:43:37 GMT From: sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) Subject: half OT half Re: Thornhill contraversy waiting to happen grrrr...everyone seems to already have thornhill, except me. :) but yeah, there could be a problem with those particular lyrics. and gawd knows theyre freaking out at my school at the slightest hint of anything that could be in any way shape or form violent or negative. not that they dont have reason to be concerned, the definitely do. especially with my town and schools rep. - -----no offense intended when referring to 'jocks' and 'teenyboppes'----- most of the students here that know of früvous find them bad, negative, or not cool enough. but not many know of them. although, sometimes the jocks give me dirty looks for wearin my früvous tshirt. (which i wear a lot cuz i love it. ::looks down, cuz shes wearin it now::) and then their teenybopper girlfriends scorn it too. or some might say oh, thats that weird band you like with the cute drummer. ::shrug:: what can ya do. - -------------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:14:26 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: jian is a good guy In article <199908190210.TAA27533@hipmail12.gohip.com>, benderl@bombdiggity.com says... > Hehe, for those of you who don't know, that was my little sister... and ever > since, she's been talking nonstop about Kat, Kat, Kat, Murray, Murray, Murray, > Kat, Murray, Kat, Murray... Heeheehee...I'm honored. k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:21:47 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: OT: Christine Lavin (Was: Deb grounded for life) In article <19990819001942.08470.00001148@ng-fa1.aol.com>, gordonlew@aol.com says... > YOu should also mention Cheryl Wheeler who was at Falcon Ridge with the lads, > was a one time Babe. I know how you mean that, but AFAIC she's still a babe - that "Handy House" song more than makes up for that overplayed radio song about the guns. k@ Colorado Nerd - pick on us at your own risk - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 05:23:11 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: Clothing trends K@ said- >All right, I'll take you up on that! Allow me to say here that the new >"one-size" t-shirts are the coolest unisex clothing item that the band >has offered thus far. though i'm not sure what these particular "one-size" tee-shirts are, id like to voice some qualms about "one-size-fits-all". THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!! one of the *very few* things i disliked about the lovely clearwater festival was the *overwelming* amount of clothing articals for sale marked "free size". id just like to say that NONE of those things fit me. i happen to be a *very short* *very busty* girl. it's hard enough to find clothing my *actual size* that fits. let alone "free size". i believe that these things should be marked "one size fits all small skinny people". i suppose its the most convenient way to sell rather than keeping a large quantity of verious sizes. but one would think that at a folk festival...a HIPPIE festival...we'd be *celebrating* figural diversity (figural...can that be added to our "lingo"?) ::sigh:: but, id like to give credit to the one woman who ran a stand selling batik (sp?) clothing that fit me, and also fit my small, easy to fit friend, kat. ok, i'm done... pardon my bitterness please...ive been doing "back to school shopping"...you know how it is. smiles genna (who really has NO PROBLEM with her looks, if only it were socially acceptable to go out in ones bathrobe) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:58:12 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Question: Mike's Harmonica Does anybody know what brand/type of harmonica does Mike use? Especially important is what harmonica is being used in the song "Fly"... Any responses would be greatly apprecieated! - -Paul Mischler ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 05:32:09 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Annapolis show Briefly because I'm so tired my eyes are rolling my head, yes, it was what Ellen and I dubbed "Thornwood" ... all "Thornhill" and "Wood." I will post more at length tomorrow (probably after the two in-stores) but I'm willing to bet that at least one person will have more details before then ... I do have one burning question, however. When Jian told the story behind "Misplaced" (yes, they played it!!!!!!!!!), who yelled out something to the effect of "Now I'm starting to hate the song!" I LMAO in online lingo and am just curious who it was if you/they are willing to speak up (I'll speak up as the person who blurted out "Hard Day's Night" when Mike did the Paul's Grandpa line about Ringo always having his nose in a book and when he mentioned my przie I said "play something from the movie!" thinking "This Boy." QL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:37:20 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Doctor Who and Fru In article <19990819003148.08470.00001161@ng-fa1.aol.com>, gordonlew@aol.com says... > You fell for the Ruse. don't you know that Murray is the Alien, always beware > the quiet ones. Hmm...blasphemy or truth? It's out there, but I'm not convinced. Murray is of course the only real Canadian, what with Mike actually being American, Jian being English and Dave being an Extraterrestrial. That in itself could account for Murray's suspicious behavior. k@ should know better by now than to post after drinking - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 06:06:53 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: OT: Christine Lavin (Was: Deb grounded for life) K@t wrote >Colorado Nerd - pick on us at your own risk i must be REALLY tiard cause i read this "colorado nose - pick on us at your own risk" lord help me smiles genna ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 06:14:34 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: who owns which parts of what states and why it doesnt matter ok, ive been keeping my mouth shut about this whole rivalry about who owns who's state/city/farm/pick-up truck, but it's time now for me to speak out. you see, this whole conversation is irrelivant because the whole world is mine (genna's) you see, it all starts in nevada (no, i'm from long island NY but "it" doesnt start here) you see, in nevada, they have no bagle stores (at least not any *real* ones) so, you see, i open a bagle store in nevada, where i have no competition. and i will import *genuine* New york water, which is optimum for bagle boiling (i see all you non-down-state-NYers scratching your heads thinking "who boils bagles" that's right...bagles are boiled....THEN baked. and Ohioan/New jerseyan/pennsylvanian/massechusetsite (that sounds like some sort of vanirial desease)/whereever elseian water just wont cut it! so, you see, i import the water, i sell the bagles, i make money, win supporters who are *entranced* by my bagles, and it spreads, like a desease (massechusetsite, to be specific), and i TAKE OVER THE WORLD now you know my plan now i will have to kill you sorry...it must be this way smiles genna (who *knows* it's passed her bedtime now) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 06:02:51 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: OT: Christine Lavin K@ said > >In article <1ebdbabb.24ebf93d@aol.com>, Heybun@aol.com says... >> Christine Lavin is the a wondeful performer: she writes and sings funny, >> touching, and beautiful songs. Going to her concerts is like sitting >around >> with friends in the living room. She also gives great manicures pre-show >and >> intermission - one feels as if you're having a slumber party when one talks > >> with her. > >I'm still proudly sporting the silver glitter manicure that she gave me >after her set at NoHo. She also drew a wonderful picture in my sketchbook >as a birthday present, and said Tom was a "dreamboat" - her mentioning >him personally when he was onstage as a Sensitive New Age Guy was the >highlight of the day for him. My parents even know of her, and they were >duly impressed when I told them this story. dude, was she at clearwater...i remember a song called "sensitive new age guy" from a workshop that was called "sidesplitting" or something like that. i am TERRIBLE with names, and have been trying to figure out who that was for quite some time (well, i guess not THAT long concidering it only happened 2 months ago...but summer months are LONG). was that christine lavin??? smiles genna ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 06:20:48 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: my scary scare well, today, i was hanging out with a friend of mine, watching the alfred hitchcock movie "spellbound" (which is *amazing* i recomend it to everyone). the whole day IWHO is stuck in my head. so the movie ends, i go upstairs and listen to the song, to get it out of my head. my friend asks me to make her a "favorates of fruvous" mix tape which ive been promising her for months. so i start making my list of songs for her...and i play some from each album, the ones i'm not sure if shed like. then...oh my...i see it....a crack...a big scary crack....right in the middle of my 'b' album. a big, deep looking crack...god...i was nearly brought to tears. my friend (normally VERY calm...(i'm the overly dramatic one) is reduced to "oh my god...oh my god...." then finally "are you going to be ok?") i put it behind me...go into denile...change the subject...go for icecream...i come home...watch another movie (shakespere in love...also good. hit my cheezy romantic side...but it's a damn good movie...very clever)...i decide...ok...i'm going to go upstairs and assess the damages...i put in the cd...i hold my breath...song 1 comes on...it's ok...then 2...then 3...it goes, and goes...there was not a skip...not a jump...not a screach in the cd...it plays, flawlessly...a miracle. yay smiles genna (who can finally breath again) we all must bow to the fruvous gods...they have graced me today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:56:51 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: OT: Christine Lavin In article <19990819020251.21500.00000788@ng-ba1.aol.com>, shadoeme@aol.com says... > dude, was she at clearwater...i remember a song called "sensitive new age guy" > from a workshop that was called "sidesplitting" or something like that. i am > TERRIBLE with names, and have been trying to figure out who that was for quite > some time (well, i guess not THAT long concidering it only happened 2 months > ago...but summer months are LONG). was that christine lavin??? Yep, she's the one with the song "Sensitive New Age Guys." It is indeed hilarious, and it even got some radio airplay around here. She apparently gets guys from the audience to come up onstage and sing it with her (and shake their butts). I'm still a little disappointed that she didn't do the "Bald Headed Men" song though. Oh well. k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:21:09 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Ramshead and stuff (long) Someone wake me up... please? The show has ended, I've driven home, and I'm *still* not entirely sure if my eyes and ears were giving me an accurate account of the evening or not. I thought last year's Ramshead show was great. I thought the other 9 shows I'd seen besides that one were great. They are *nothing* compared to the show at the Ramshead last night... In the beginning... I arrived at the Ramshead around 6:30, a half hour before the scheduled door time, and got to hear the beginning of the sound check. Most of the usual stuff - Half as Much, Sad Girl, Downsizing... Down from Above... It's Too Cold... and at that point I realized that we were in for quite a show if they were "practicing" those songs. We got in and I got to my seat... saw a lot of people (as usual) and witnessed a very unspectacular opening act. So unspectacular that I don't even know his name, his band, or what his album is called, or if he even has an album. He didn't say much about that... About 20 minutes worth of intermission, while Cal busily set up the stage. Towards the end of the 20 minutes, he brought out the towels (from home), placed them near where the guys would be standing, and deposited a violin on top of the congas. This got us all thinking, since there aren't exactly a lot of Fruvous songs where the live arrangements contain violin... well... They came out and played Half as Much first... ok, so it's not like last year (first four from Wood) but maybe it'll be the top 4...5...6 or more from Thornhill. Nope. Next was Horseshoes, and since the Ramshead is a "quiet" venue, the audience didn't get to sing the first line of the last refrain. It's been a while since I've heard them sing it, but it still sounded good. :) Seems like a normal ordinary show so far... they always play those songs. Then we were treated to Downsizing, with Dave doing an *excellent* job on the slide guitar. Pretty amazing how he can mix slide with regular chords during the song... I was impressed. :) There was some talking in here, but I don't really remember much of the talking... it seemed... insignificant. :) Down from Above was next, but seemed strangely placed - I've never heard of it being used mid-set before, usually an opener for the Wood set. But I'm not complaining. I love the song, and this was only my second time hearing it live, so it was good. I was writing down the setlist as they played it, and when they started You Can't Be Too Careful, I noticed something... the first 5 songs were alternating between Thornhill and Wood. So I marked them in my notebook with little Ts and Ws, and wrote a "W" on the line below Too Careful, expecting a Wood song. And we got it. It's Too Cold, with both verses and the piano solo, and the instrument dropout in the end... oooh, really nice. Another one I'd never seen live before. By the end of the song, I'd written a little "T" on the next line, and that went for Sad Girl, which sounded really good live... I have no idea why I was originally unimpressed by this song, but I think it's wonderful now. Now that the pattern was established, many people were expecting it to continue. We got an amazing rendition of On Her Doorstep, which might very well be the only song where the lead singer performs it from behind the keyboard. It looked a little odd, but it sounded great. I had also observed that until this, the Thornhill/Wood pairings all had similar sounds in the titles - Half/Horse, Downsizing/Down, Too Careful/Too Cold... but that was probably a coincidence. Right? :) Independence Day was next, and I forget how they introduced it (as one might be able to tell from the set they were playing, the "banter" was not what stood out in my mind :) And they followed it with Nuits de Reve. Wow. Fourth song in the set I'd never seen live before. But not the last, because Earthquakes was next, in an arrangement very different from on the album, but that's not surprising, since most of them can only play one instrument at a time. Fun song. Without switching instruments, they introduced the next song, with a couple of false start intros, "If you see this guy, you might say........." was said a couple of times, and finally finished off with "Hey, Organ Grinder!" and was played with much audience clapping. Switched instruments around again for If Only You Knew, and then came the moment we had been waiting for... the violin. And a story about one of the early tours Fruvous made, back in 1993 or something. It was a sad story, of how the tour helped end what had been a great relationship, and the song Misplaced came out of that experience. This is my absolute favorite Fruvous song, and I thought I'd never get to hear it live. It brought tears to my eyes (long distance relationships are, unfortunately, not unfamiliar to me) And then..... The Present Tense Tureen. But wait... that's not on Thornhill! It's on Wood. Well, the song after it was Splatter Splatter, and I'd guess that it makes a better set closer than Tureen, and it would also be odd sandwiching it between Misplaced and Tureen. And that ended the main set. They came back for encores, and continued with the theme, playing Fly, another of my absolute favorites. Although at this point a lot of people were becoming preoccupied with what *hadn't* been played yet, and before the second encore began, someone shouted "Bed and Breakfast!" and was told that they'd have to wait for next year's Ramshead show for that. We got a closer of I Will Hold On and My Poor Generation, which made a wonderful end to an amazing show. I'm not sure they can ever top this one. At least not in my mind. other stuff... very little banter, but when they went onto some tangent, it lasted quite a while. someone else can tell you what all they talked about. :) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #716 ********************************************