From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #708 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 708 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: disillusioned? [Bridget ] Re: disillusioned? ["Jason A. Reiser" ] Re: sad girl [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: NoHo : Review [Kevin Way ] Re: HERE WE GO AGAIN! [Kevin Way ] South Street mini-review [aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu] Re: I recorded fruvous 8/14 digitally [Kevin Way ] Phone Numbers 13276 [rockys1gal@aol.com] Re: quill??? [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Ocean City Setlist [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) [ctyner@my-de] Re: Chicago (<18ers please read) [Geenius at Wrok ] Review of the Pines folk fest in the Springfield, MA Union-News ["Adam Ha] the Point [llion@dolphin.upenn.edu (Lindsay R Lion)] Re: Ocean City Setlist [llesi@aol.com (Llesi)] Re: Thornhill chatter ["KatieWow" ] Re: Ot: Re: whine whine whine [timiny ] Re: Thornhill chatter [Geenius at Wrok ] something to be proud of.... [CLeast18@aol.com] Back from London mates! [carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759)] Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) [Josh Drury <] Re: Bar concerts... [carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759)] Re: my belated thoughts on thornhill [CLeast18@aol.com] Re: Back from London mates! [Josh Drury ] Re: Ocean City Setlist [Melanie Natoli ] Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) [vika@fruhead] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:22:42 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: disillusioned? - --- Donna Hunt wrote: > > I do want to speak up and say > that this newsgroup is a lot of things. > Sometimes it's actually about the band > and their music. A lot of reviews and babble > about shows and albums happens > here. A lot of plans to see the band get put > together and unravel here. But a > lot of tangential stuff happens here, too. > Everyone here *is* interested in Moxy > Fruvous, the music, the shows, the > personalities that make up the whole > experience. > > Off-Topic stuff happens because this community > discovers all kinds of other stuff > that they also have in common, whether it's > other bands, TV shows, favorite band > members, a favorite color, or a desire to take > over the world. > > But this ng *is* a community. The chatter > stretches all over the stratosphere. > My suggestion is that you hang on, hang in, and > hang out and get a real feel for > the people and opinions here. Eventually, you > may not enjoy the off-topic stuff > any more than you do now, but at least you'll > understand where it comes from. > > :) I hope you'll learn to like us. wonderfully said! yes, were it not for my *adoration* of moxy fruvous, i'd never have found my way here... BUT in the same vein, were it not for the sometimes off-topicness of the ng, i'd never have found some of the people i have come to love (i'm looking at YOU, donna!) _please_ give this newsgroup a chance. you'll find some of the kindest, funniest, most caring, sometimes snarky but not TOO serious people in the world. this is a wonderment of a community, IMHO. because of the ng, i can go to frushows halfway across the country, and almost ALWAYS run into someone who says... "you're bridget? it's GREAT to meet you!". and honestly, frutripping would not be the same, maybe not even _worthwhile_ if it weren't for the fans. this is a great bunch of people. now i'm getting all verclempt! in closing, i love you guys! === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1999 21:40:23 -0700 From: "Jason A. Reiser" Subject: Re: disillusioned? In article <37B8D95E.86A1C9F2@apk.net>, Donna says... ... >If you're interested enough, >please email Jude Coombe (moxy@passport.com), and ask her nicely if she'll add >you to the list and send a copy out. That should be moxy@passport.ca (not .com) Or just use moxy@fruvous.com - the alias is easier to remember and harder to screw up! nothing on-topic from me today, thanks. - - Jason ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 05:41:15 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: sad girl >kinda disappointed that there's no >> information as to who was playing what on each track. yeah, i liked hearing about all of the odd instramentation...things like sheet metal,gogo bells,spring muffler,chicken shakers,kabasa, money,anvil, woodblock,bomb,, wooden door percussion, [1]. and id REALLY like to know what that croaking frog sound is in MPG!!!! smiles genna [1] all those instraments were taken from the liner notes in bargainville ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 02:00:42 -0400 From: Kevin Way Subject: Re: NoHo : Review > Kevin Way wrote: > > > > It was wet. > > So, Kevin, what you are saying is that it was wet? quite correct, dear sir. you're keenly perceptive. i'd note more than this, but it's by far the most significant memory of the weekend kevin way. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:50:33 -0400 From: Kevin Way Subject: Re: HERE WE GO AGAIN! > DON'T SELL THE INDIE CASSETTE! IT'S ILLEGAL! Or at least to we fru-heads > it's equal to murder! Well, I can't say I'm particularly fond of it, but I'm certainly not against the sale of the Indie tape. I was lucky enough to purchase my copy from a fine gentleman who actually gave the profits to the American Cancer Society, but hey, it's a rarity, you can't order it anywhere... go for it. Kevin 'why can't i figure out that I'm not using pine' Way ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 05:18:32 GMT From: aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu Subject: South Street mini-review Another close fruvous show, so I figured I might as well check it out. The set's been discussed already -- standard-fare for the most part, but definitely fun all the same -- so I figure I'll share some other interesting tidbits instead. Most Annoying Thing of the Night: The guy at the merch table with the megaphone between concerts and after the show. He just wouldn't shut up. People were threatening violence (unfortunately, like Jian said, Fruvous fans aren't really the violent type, so the threats remained simply threats. :P) Coolest little bit of the night: The Bug Song -- some weird thing Dave played on the banjo between songs. Sounded like a gradeschool song, about digging a big hole until all the bugs were gone, "And that would be the end of the bug song." Interesting Fact: Sean Altman (former Rockapella member) was in the crowd. He's a friend of Jian's and he lives in the city, so it was a pretty safe bet that he'd be there. My brother's a big fan of his and he got to talk with him for a bit before the show. Coolest Thing to Steal: The "Thornhill" posters, which were about 4'x4' and were stationed on either side of the stage. My brother managed to get one and have it signed by the band. They drew little pictures and stuff next to their signatures. It looks *really* nice. Also, Jian's hatred (heh..) has apparently turned away from Gordon for the moment and is now aimed at me. I think he wants a waytogojian.com or something... :) Someone put up a site or something so he can go back to being mad at Gordon. :P :) - - A.P. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 02:14:03 -0400 From: Kevin Way Subject: Re: I recorded fruvous 8/14 digitally jeremy- what did you tape with? where were you located? I already have a copy recorded from the sound booth w/ Schoeps MK4->Sonosax SX-M2/LS -> Tascam DA-P1 over Schoeps KC-5 cables w/ Lemo connectors... capsules in ORTF config, but if yours is nicer I might be interested in a trade of some sort. There's slight rain noise on my recording, but it's not bad since the mics had Rycotes on 'em (baby ball gag windjammers, i think) Kevin Way ------------------------------ Date: Monday, 16 Aug 1999 22:07:46 -0600 From: rockys1gal@aol.com Subject: Phone Numbers 13276 Want to talk with REAL horny girls? 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On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 03:46:59 GMT, Bridget wrote: >--- SugarFly26 wrote: >> excuse my stupidity...the quill is like a >> newsletter type thing right? and if >> so, how do i subscribe to it? > >yes. sign the mailing list. that would be Judith Coombe - moxy@passport.ca Welcome aboard Ln! You might also want to check out fruhead.com for all sorts of fun things to do. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:49:55 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Ocean City Setlist Greetings from New Jersey! I'm too tired for a full review, but here's tonight's setlist 1/2 Horse 2 Care Video - disco Boss Wenchy Indy Rush Minnie - ~Grampa Fruvous was tired of boardwalkin Tired of staring, and tired of gawkin' He wanted to do something erotic and baffy So he stripped naked and covered himself in salt water taffy~ ~.......down in Atlantic City Saw people losing fortunes, it just wasn't pretty Me and my pals lost 7,000 dollars between us All to build a monument to Donald Trump's penis~ Michy Sauce Fly Nuits King/Green Splatter Car 1st Encore Billie Jian Brown Eyed Girl - not on setlist, but they did this w/Trout Fishing 2nd Encore IWHO MPG - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:35:53 GMT From: ctyner@my-deja.com (Adam Tyner) Subject: Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) I think I've read most of these C Album lists, and I don't believe I've seen "Today's The Day That We Fight Back" mentioned yet. I have a feeling that'll be on there... - -Adam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:18:35 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: Chicago (<18ers please read) On 17 Aug 1999, DstBunnny wrote: > >Then I guess they must have > >noticed us standing there and thought, "Hmmmm, a guy with long hair and a > >big guy -- they must be selling DRUGS!" > > Hehe, cute story, but still... am I the only one who immediately thought of Jay > and Silent Bob when they read this part? C'mon, I know I wasn't... Well, this predated "Clerks" by quite a few years ... also, Silent Bob covered both the big and long hair bases. Jay was just a parasite. - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:00:34 GMT From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Review of the Pines folk fest in the Springfield, MA Union-News Transcribed and mailed without permission. Transcribed exactly as printed, spelling and factual errors inclusive. :( ======== Springfield Union-News, Monday, August 16, 1999, Page C6 PINES FOLK FESTIVAL DRAWS 1,200 FANS by Joyce Marcel, Music writer NORTHAMPTON - From "King of Rome" to "King of Spain," from blue skies to drenching downpours, from noon until after 10 p.m., the Folk Festival in the Pines Theater at Look Park Saturday did what it set out to do: join a critical mass of singer-songwriters with people who love their music. Attendance at the festival, sponsored by the Union-News and Sunday Republican, peaked at about 1,200 in the afternoon and dwindled to a very wet few hundred by the end. But those who stayed were rewarded with one of the most exceptional hours of music in recent memory: the outrageous Bern at full force backed by the four quick-witted and gifted musicians of Moxy Fruvous. With two performace spaces - and sometimes sound bleeding from one to the other - a lot was going on. The main stage was opened by Willie Porter, then Pamela Means, both with powerhouse voices. Then came John Gorka, Susan Werner, Vance Gilbert, Christine Lavin, Paul, Cheryl Wheeler, Fruvous and Bern. As Paul said, "I don't think there's a better lineup in the country this summer." On the second stage, the highlight was "Local Heroes," featuring a rare chance to hear the goose bump-raising harmonies of Katryna and Nerissa Neilds in duet, as well as masterful guitarist Brooks Williams, Mark Erelli and Stephen Kellogg. Highlights of the long day included The Neilds sisters singing "Jennifer Falling Down," Gorka's hilarious "I'm from New Jersey," Lavin painting glittery polish on concert-goers' fingernails in the food court before her hilarious set, Werner's funny, stream-of-conscious performance style, and Dan Fox of the Ben Swift Band, getting more sounds out of a conch shell than many people could out of a guitar. Also, Gilbert's stunning a cappella and off-mike "King of Rome," and his "Ta king it All to Tennessee," written about his friend, Paul; Paul's "Translucent Soul," written about Gilbert; the two men joining for a gorgeous medley of Beatles' songs. The clever Fruvous guys (and their screaming female fans) did a wonderful set of new songs and old favorites such as "King of Spain" and "Michigan Militia." Bern, as always brutally honest, brave and brilliant, did "Oh Sister" and "Tiger Wood" solo before being joined by Fruvous for a magical hour of transcendent folk-rock that included his songs and a stunning version of Gordon Lightfoot's "Early Mornin' Rain." Joined by Erelli and Means, he closed with Bob Dylan's "I Shall Be Released." - -------------- Transcriptionist notes: I have the feeling this was originally a longer review but got chopped up by the editors. Ellis Paul's first name was never mentioned, it's Nields, not Neilds, Bern and Fruvous didn't play together for an hour, and EMR was a part of Fruvous' set, not Bern's. - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 13:09:08 GMT From: llion@dolphin.upenn.edu (Lindsay R Lion) Subject: the Point Does anyonw know how to get there??? - -- Lindsay R. Lion Biosyn, Inc. Pi Beta Phi Alumni Advisor Manager Operations & Technology llion@dolphin.upenn.edu llion@biosyn-inc.com www.biosyn-inc.com ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 13:03:18 GMT From: llesi@aol.com (Llesi) Subject: Re: Ocean City Setlist What a great show last night! The guys seemed really ON, and what a treat to hear Nuits de Reve live. Trout Fishing in America was really good too...I've seen them before and not especially liked them, and I definitely don't like their "funny" stuff, but their more serious stuff was really pretty. When they came out and did Brown Eyed Girl with Fruvous everyone just seemed to be having such a genuinely good time (both on and off stage), it was just great to watch. Gotta run to hear the guys on WXPN!! Jessica B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:14:45 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Thornhill chatter *nod* *nod* *nod* It's actually fairly common for band's to remix songs specifically for radio play. One that comes to mind is Barenaked Ladies' "Brian Wilson." On "Gordon," the song is introed with accordion; the radio version, though, opens directly with o/~ drove downtown in the rain . . . o/~ and includes no accordion at all. The lesson: accordions don't belong on mainstream radio :) ? I hope not :). ~~Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com *********************************** "It's a long long road It's a big big world We are wise wise women We are giggling girls . . . " - --Ani DiFranco *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:05:29 -0700 From: timiny Subject: Re: Ot: Re: whine whine whine >Actually, there's a lot of stuff which could be recycled a >little more frequently. While I can't imagine how they keep >everything fresh during their eastern U.S. >touning, it would at least be nice to hear new lines each >time they make their annual trip out west, or other less >frequently visited places. For example, the >last few times they've turned up in Winnipeg, Jian has said >"Wow! It's great to be back in Saskatchewan"... and the >same joke (with names changed) turns up >in on Live Noise (Inter-PA Rivalry). Also, the Zamboni line >in KoS becomes "Now the Jets call me up...uh..." (Awkward >silence as the audience laments the >loss of our NHL team). Do they just forget, or get >complacent around a more occasional audience? > Could they be hoping that a large portion of that audience is new every year they come out? Perhaps they're patronizing the mostly new crowd who hasn't heard the "old jokes" and hope that the few "old folks" who've seen them multiple times will forgive them since they like their music enough to overlook that fact? - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:45:24 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: Thornhill chatter On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, KatieWow wrote: > *nod* *nod* *nod* It's actually fairly common for band's to remix songs > specifically for radio play. One that comes to mind is Barenaked Ladies' > "Brian Wilson." On "Gordon," the song is introed with accordion; *frown* No, it's not. - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:33:53 GMT From: CLeast18@aol.com Subject: something to be proud of.... Hi...i just wanted to tell everybody something. yesterday my 6 yr old cousin was over. & he loves music so i wanted to see if he would like moxy fruvous....i put in live noise & let him listen to songs like king of spain & bargainville...you know uptempo songs & HE LOVED IT! lol just thought i would share that with you.... ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 14:30:40 GMT From: carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759) Subject: Back from London mates! Hello everybody!!! Long time no see. Most of you probably don't remember me since I only posted a few times before I left (the Utica Moxy-Mute). I just got back from England yesterday (*sob*) from an internship at the British Museum and I am incredibly jet-lagged. Two months is not that long; it went by too fast. Anyway, I came home to a bunch of mail, and saw on the tour schedule that Moxy isn't coming to upstate NY again until December? Like leaving London wasn't sad enough! Now I have to get Thornhill. One of my Belgian friends really liked Moxy after I played a tape for her. She is angry because one never knows what music they are missing out on in other countries. So true isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:27:22 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) Christine K wrote: I don't know if anyone added these -- I haven't looked at all the > digests > from today (but this is what I would like to see)... > > Canada We Love You > Hockey Night in Canada theme > Pisco Bandito Yes! I haven't been able to find a recorded version of our unofficial national anthem yet. I also haven't heard the Fruvous version at all -- but Fruvous + HNIC theme can only equal good things, baby! Josh Drury Winnipeg "Ba ba ba baaa bom baaaaaa! Ba ba ba baaa bom baadaaaaa!" -- my best attempt at singing along ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 14:19:46 GMT From: carrie759@aol.com (Carrie759) Subject: Re: Bar concerts... >There are lots of shows in non-smoking venues. Go to those if you can't >take the smoke. There are not that many shows in non-smoking venues, and the times I have been to other concerts where smoking was prohibited, people just ignored the rule anyway and smoke like chimneys. About expecting a smoke-filled bar, some people don't expect smoke. In California, many bars have no-smoking rules, for the entire venue, not just designated areas. Living in the northeast, I expect to inhale second-hand smoke all night, and come out stinking, but if I could choose, I would prefer not to. I grew up with a smoker, and yet still, smoke in the face is just not something I can get used to. But screaming at someone for smoking, especially if it is allowed, just isn't cool. Seeing as he put out the cigarette to accommodate her obvious wishes, the woman who yelled at Tom's friend should have let it go there. She cleary has some other issues and dramas going on in her life, and was just trying to find a way to vent. I wouldn't take it personally if I was you. Ranters and ravers are everywhere; any excuse to blast someone will do. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:56:13 GMT From: CLeast18@aol.com Subject: Re: my belated thoughts on thornhill << i think the one that upset me the most was I will hold on. the first time i heard that song was at clearwater festival, which jian got choked up and looked like he was crying. he FELT that song. and, by god, so did i. i was shaking...for a while afterword too...and whenever i thought of it. it DEFINED music to me. >> WOW!! i know that feeling when you really feel the music & what its all about!...its so amazing the things that can happen. words cant even explain, its indescribable. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:20:40 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Back from London mates! Carrie759 wrote: > Hello everybody!!! Long time no see. Welcome back! > One of my Belgian friends > really liked Moxy after I played a tape for her. She is angry because one > never knows what music they are missing out on in other countries. So true > isn't it? Too true. What fine Belgian music are we missing? Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:17:02 GMT From: Melanie Natoli Subject: Re: Ocean City Setlist - --- Llesi wrote: > Gotta run to hear the guys on WXPN!! > > Jessica B. > Speaking of that. How many of you guys got to hear that? I went to the concert last night with my friend from south jersey and the drive back takes about an hour and I left at 9, rather convienent, don't ya think? The guys were pretty funny, especially that little "Lay of Hillary" bit. And it was great to hear Jian bash the flyers, sorry flyers' fans, but I'm a devils fan :) Some of the thornhill stuff sounded pretty good acoustic too. --MeL === ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "If you're going to be able to look back on something and laugh, you might as well laugh at it now." --Marie Osmond MeLaNiE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:07:08 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) ctyner@my-deja.com (Adam Tyner) delighted us with: >I think I've read most of these C Album lists, and I don't believe >I've seen "Today's The Day That We Fight Back" mentioned yet. I have >a feeling that'll be on there... All this talk about the C album, I thought I'd share an overheard conversation between Jian and A Fan: (went *sort of* like this, please don't yell at me for inexactitude:) Fan: "So, you know that album with Pisco on it that you're going to record?" Jian: ... [blank stare] "Album with Pisco on it?" F: "Yeah, you know, the one you're going to record?" J: "We're going to record an album with Pisco on it?" F: "Well, okay, I'm just being nosy..." Jian proceeded to tell him that currently there are no plans for the next album, and the conversation moved on from there. So, while speculating about the C album is quite enjoyable, we're not assuming it's getting recorded, and if yes, then that it's happening anytime soon, are we? Just checking. - -v Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "Great, I'm a landmark now." -FatherO ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #708 ********************************************