From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #707 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 707 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ot: Re: whine whine whine [Josh Drury ] Re: Conan [AngelCL7@aol.com] Re: I recorded fruvous 8/14 digitally [Josh Woodward ] Re: OT: Christine Lavin (Was: Deb grounded for life) [sittin'onthecouch] Re: Ot: Re: whine whine whine [luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria)] Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) [Christine K ] my belated thoughts on thornhill [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Chicago (<18ers please read) [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: WBER [stussy666@aol.com (STUSSY666)] D'oh! Correction to my 8-14 Review [Snarky Spice ] Re: Chicago (<18ers please read) [Geenius at Wrok ] Review: 8-14-99 Pines Festival, Northampton MA [Snarky Spice ] Re: Chicago (<18ers please read) [Donna Hunt ] disillusioned? [sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26)] quill??? [sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26)] Re: Chicago (<18ers please read) [dstbunnny@aol.com (DstBunnny)] Re: disillusioned? [Donna Hunt ] Re: quill??? [Bridget ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:42:57 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Ot: Re: whine whine whine Vika Zafrin wrote: > Josh Woodward delighted us with: > > [re: Barney lyrics in the Kids' Song] > >Anyone else think it'd be nice to start shaking that part up a little? > >They used to do fun and different things with it a lot, now every time > >I hear it, I get visions of that Chelsea Clinton verse in Minnie. ;-) > > Well, sometimes they do substitute it with "Teletubbies!!" :) > > Agreed, Josh. Would be nice if that stuff got varied too. Actually, there's a lot of stuff which could be recycled a little more frequently. While I can't imagine how they keep everything fresh during their eastern U.S. touning, it would at least be nice to hear new lines each time they make their annual trip out west, or other less frequently visited places. For example, the last few times they've turned up in Winnipeg, Jian has said "Wow! It's great to be back in Saskatchewan"... and the same joke (with names changed) turns up in on Live Noise (Inter-PA Rivalry). Also, the Zamboni line in KoS becomes "Now the Jets call me up...uh..." (Awkward silence as the audience laments the loss of our NHL team). Do they just forget, or get complacent around a more occasional audience? Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:45:57 GMT From: AngelCL7@aol.com Subject: Re: Conan In a message dated 8/16/99 1:52:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm writes: << well, first of all, it's "late night with conan o'brien" (ahh, c'mon, give me a break. i love it to death )... the late late would be craig kilborn. and yes, apparently they'll be on mid-september. yayyayyay! Sarah>> Sorry! I watch Craig Kilborn and they're on at the same time so I figured it was the Late Late show. Well thanx for the info. ~~Crystal~~ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1999 21:36:30 GMT From: Josh Woodward Subject: Re: I recorded fruvous 8/14 digitally recidivist wrote: : CD, I can work out a trade for blanks or cash or something. If no one has mentioned this, DON'T offer this for cash. Other trading communities might tolerate this, but Fruvous' doesn't. Carry on! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:33:54 GMT From: sittin'onthecouch@home.com (The Toolman) Subject: Re: OT: Christine Lavin (Was: Deb grounded for life) On 16 Aug 1999 20:34:33 GMT, llesi@aol.com (Llesi) pondered for a while, and then wrote: >Christine is really funny, but also has some serious/really pretty >songs...hmm...who does that sound like?? Agreed..mowt heartily! She puts an audience at ease, and has a biting wit. You'd feel the same if she sas sitting in your living room with a guitar and a cup of tea at her side. Buy "Live at the Cactus Cafe" for a good intro to her performing talents and songwriting ability. Tim (The Toolman) N-E-S-T-L-E-S... Nestle's makes the very best... CHAWWW...KLAT...(pop) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1999 22:09:31 GMT From: luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria) Subject: Re: Ot: Re: whine whine whine Josh said: > >...and about every other show in the past couple years... Oh, okay. I've been to two shows, I didn't know it is that repetitive. Shoot me. :) Anyway, I've fixed my .sig so I can save all of you from the torture of the repetitive joke. *g* maria ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ "Oh shut up! I don't care about your grammer when I'm just babbling! --Cheesmonkey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:25:55 GMT From: Christine K Subject: Re: C Album SUGGESTIONS (was Re: C Album Predictions . . .) "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > Here's what I'd like to see. > > Blow Wind Blow > Marion Fruvous > Harbourmall > La Complainte Du Phoque en Alaska > That's Any Good > Killer Tents > Pork Tenderloin > America's National Game > Get Down From There. > Tory Potion #9 (fat chance in hell of that one!) > WLUV/Right Wing Shit > Plus 3 new ones we've never heard before. I don't know if anyone added these -- I haven't looked at all the digests from today (but this is what I would like to see)... Canada We Love You Hockey Night in Canada theme Pisco Bandito Christine. - -Chrissy_K on IRC ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* You know how you always see single shoes on the side of the road and always think "What kind of idiot loses a *shoe* right in the middle of nowhere??" Well, ask yourself no longer... ;P - MC ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1999 22:57:26 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: my belated thoughts on thornhill ive been unable to check this messageboard during the week of thornhill release (chrismas in august). id just like to add one more set of 2 sence in on the album (i think with all of these 2 sents...were up to about 16000 dollers...maybe enough to contribute to murray's red boat fund) anyway... i had mine on researve at sam goodies (where i am proud to say the clerk knew who they were, like them, but wasnt a fruhead) i got it, listened too it in the car. where i lamented the sound of the album. i thought it sounder really "poppy" really constructed...fabricated, worked on. like a paper that has been read over and edited every time...begins to sound stilted, unatural...that's what i heard. i wonder if all the chatter was put in the backround becuase the lads heard the same thing and wanted to deminish it. hmmm.... i think i like every one of the songs on the album indivudually. very much so. but, somehow playing the album it just become background noise... very easily, they way most radio junk does. but...it's FRUVOUS. and ive come to expect to be wooed one way or another by them. to make me laugh, or dance, or cry, or rethink the state of the world. this just...entertains. if i look closesly ,and consentrate on the music and lyrics, this can do it too...but it doesnt GRAB Me. i think the one that upset me the most was I will hold on. the first time i heard that song was at clearwater festival, which jian got choked up and looked like he was crying. he FELT that song. and, by god, so did i. i was shaking...for a while afterword too...and whenever i thought of it. it DEFINED music to me. when listening to it on thorn hill, it sounded like a hearthrob of a boy singing a romentic song and hitting a tamborine...nothing more...nothing less. yet i heard the song at seaport, and again, i'm brought to near tears. i dont think it's fruvous changing. i think fruvous is fruvous. i dont think it's the music changing. though it has evolved, the new music is GOOD. it's that fruvoid perfectionism combined with a genuine desire to "break out" and the visions of don dixon made an album that they TRIED TO HARD on... listening to it more...it's grown on me...i like it...i really do...it's not my favorate,but i like it. and that's enough outa me for now smiles genna ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1999 23:20:12 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Chicago (<18ers please read) Josh, no offense, but how many places in Chicago did you ever get in underaged, sweetie??!?!?! The only reason I ever got into Martyr's before I was 21 was I knew the owner (and he thought I was 21) I was not allowed into the Cubby Bear once when my friends Lowen & Navarro left me VIP passes and mauled me in front of the bouncer and had their road manager talk to the manager... * yes* Metro cards, yes they're jerks about it, and no, I would not recommend driving hours to test it out, or bribing them b/c there are a fair amount of cops on the north side and nobody who works at that club cares how far anybody's driven... I know this sucks because it's a big venue and all, but my heart was broken many times by how many shows I missed there before turning 18. Believe me, I tried many places even with my mom in tow! I would also urge you to call the Champaign venue if nobody's tried that yet and check with them. Angel any ??s feel free to email me, mmmmkay? >Forget the bars. They can >: just play in my backyard. All ages show :) > >Are you in Chicago? Go anyway! They ask for ID? Say you don't have it, >you're under 21, ask them to mark you low, and wave the money in their >face. Not to stir up more debate about age restrictions, but if you're >already in town, there's no reason to miss the show because of 18+ >age restrictions. 21+ might be harder to approach, but still. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Josh Woodward, ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1999 23:40:47 GMT From: stussy666@aol.com (STUSSY666) Subject: Re: WBER Go Timmy, nice to be hearing that you are going to be on BER. As for that room, yes that was the interview room. I know that for a fact since WBER and fruvous were nice enough to let my mom, my bro and I sit in on that interview and meet fruvous afterward. That was the crowning moment of my fruvous life. I'll put up a full profile with the pics later on FDC. - -Erich, the mountain fru kid(now with an autographed mtn. fru shirt and an autographed bass guitar) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:45:56 GMT From: Snarky Spice Subject: D'oh! Correction to my 8-14 Review In ISBR, the second verse was sung by Mark Errelli, who did a wonderful job; Ellis Paul wasn't even on stage. I stand corrected. - --Amanda You know me, you just don't know you know me Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:53:46 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: Chicago (<18ers please read) On 16 Aug 1999, PISCOPINTO wrote: > no offense, but how many places in Chicago did you ever get in underaged, > sweetie??!?!?! Like I said, I got into the Riviera (I thought before that maybe it was the Metro, but it was definitely the Riviera) at 20 by simply acknowledging my age and informing the bouncer of my intention not to drink, and I got a "this guy is underage" stamp on my hand. This was in 1989. However, the next summer I went with one friend to the Wild Hare, where another friend was to meet up with us later ... but the friend I was with got carded (I was 21, he was 20), and we were stuck. We couldn't go inside, but we weren't ready to ditch our tardy friend either. So we waited out on the sidewalk, and we waited, and we waited, and finally these two kids who were even younger than we were showed up and tried to get in, and they had equally bad luck. Then I guess they must have noticed us standing there and thought, "Hmmmm, a guy with long hair and a big guy -- they must be selling DRUGS!" So they came up to us, fidgeting and looking every direction except at us, and mumbled, "Hey, man, you got a doobie?" I said, "Uh, NO." They said, "Just a small doobie?" My friend looked directly at them and said, "We have NO DOOBIES." Then they just decided we were weird, wandered away and eventually bought from some Rasta guy who was also hanging around the area (who had also offered to sell to us, though we declined). We can still crack each other up by saying, "Just a SMALL doobie?" Not that this has anything to do with Früvous. But it was funny as hell when it happened. - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:41:47 GMT From: Snarky Spice Subject: Review: 8-14-99 Pines Festival, Northampton MA Silver Lining Review: Pines Festival, Northampton MA 8-14-99 Ellis Paul said it during his set: you couldn't possibly beat this lineup. Willy Porter, John Gorka, Susan Werner, Christine Lavin, Ellis Paul, Pamela Means, Vance Gilbert, Dan Bern, Cheryl Wheeler and some guys from Canada. I had no idea that this was the first year for the Pines Fest, but I hope it won't be the last. There honestly wasn't a low moment; but for me, the highlight of the first half was Vance stepping off-mic to sing a song about a man and his racing piegon, a stunning performance. Thunderstorms had been threatening all afternoon, and the skies opened up during Christine Lavin's set. She was very engaging and a lot of fun to watch. Unfortunately, it became very hard to pay attention what with trying to keep ourselves and a couple of people's taping equipment dry. The rain let up, but started again during Cheryl Wheeler's set and about six of us crowded under two umbrellas. My new best friends in the world are AdamH, Jason, Loren, Melanie, Nate, Kevin and leah. We huddled under a tarp held up by Jason and Nate's mic stands, anchored by my backpack on one side and by me on the other By the time Fruvous came on, the rain had miraculously stopped. We had all kind of figured it would. I headed down front, and was very pleased with the sound. I was about a person and a half back right in front of Dave. Turned out to be a great spot. True to form, they took the stage a little late, joshing us about being People of the Rain. "No no, People of the Damp!" said Dave, and Mike took off using that on about a minute's improv. He had the megaphone and that could mean only one thing: Michigan Militia. Nice speed, high energy, the guys were definitely on after a slightly lackluster set the night before in NYC. Jian mentioned the beauty of the setting, and how much Northampton felt like home. They all seemed much more relaxed. Jockey followed. Shades of Live Noise! It had been a while since I last heard this one. Dave had the accordian workin', the bass sounded great and Mike's vocal was wonderful, as usual. Everybody seemed loose and willing to play for us. The crowd was very into it. Careful was next, I think in the same spot as the previous night. A consistently good version, I like it coming behind the up-tempo Jockey quite a lot, makes a good transition piece. Lots of energy. It was about this time that I noticed steam coming off Dave's head. Mur did the intro and Dave pointed out that people say "you can't be too careful" as an admonishment, but that this song meant exactly the opposite. During the interlude between songs, Jian noticed the gnomes and made a few remarks. Mur noticed that everybody's gnome was doing something except his. "It's a landowner," says Jian. "Ooh! segue!" (was that Dave or Mur?) Anyway, They swung right into Boss. Dave was a dancin' fool the during Boss. He and Mike did a sort of jig, then later he sidled up to Murray and they had some Temptations moves goin' on. Jian mentioned that he hadn't seen that kind of choreography in Boss in a while. As Mike started noodling around with the acoustic, there was much cheering in the crowd, and Jian remarked that we were cheering because we were hoping to hear some Gordon Lightfoot. I knew they wouldn't pull out Early Morning Rain at this point in the set, but was surprised when Mike broke into Gord's Gold, completely unscripted. The crowd went nuts, and they extended it into some of the melody of another Lightfoot tune for a little bit, pretty cool. Earthquakes followed. Earthquakes! It was laid back, with the banjo--yes, the banjo. This was a banjo night. Dave's vocal was great, rich and expansive. I wasn't sure how well Earthquakes would translate after hearing it on TH, but the vocal and the banjo make it a great one. I so love this song. Througout the night, Murray talked about how his cable was in a puddle, and that if he were "electrified" that would make for an interesting show. After the crew dried the puddle, he said he was going to change into metal socks and shoes in order to maintain his chances. Mike said that when he was a kid, he was going to have a band and their first song would be "Juicified and Electrified" with sort of a Hendrix riff, so Dave, at the keyboard, starts playing a Hendrix riff. Mike held the acousitc behind his back and pretended to play it with his teeth. I'm missing songs here, I know they did a nice IWHO. It's the single, and I really like the recorded. I think the lack of backing vocals help to distinguish it from Sad Girl, and I love that Dave's harmonies are mixed up. If Only was pretty standard. I started thinking about what some people have said how hearing that song makes them feel like they're overhearing a phone call or some such thing, but what if it makes Mike feel better to sing it? I think that has to be what's going on. Put the song in much better perspective for me. We got a Tureen-Sauce in there, too. Quite up to their standards. Dave remarked that he had to be polite because he was Canadian. Well, it's true! I know I've complained about King, but I really enjoyed it Saturday. Like the whole show, it had good energy. At the "epilogue" break Dave started dancing and continued for a bit as Jian and Mike sang "you've got the music in you" and Mur exhorted him to bust a move. It took him a second to recover his voice fully as he asked if we wanted to know about the epilogue. Dave was having such fun during the whole set. Very cool to watch. Splatter^2 followed King, and I think it'd be interesting to hear that without an intro between. It was an intriguing segue. They closed with Dancing Queen/Walk on the Wild Side, which I hadn't heard in a while. Lou mentioned the gnomes, and how he couldn't talk about what he was thinking about, which involved the gnomes and petroleum jelly. Excellent choice to close the set. Fruvous was the only act to come back for an encore, which was Early Morning Rain. Very nice indeed. The guys joined Dan Bern at the end of his set for Marilyn Monroe, which they did several times at the beginning of '99 in NYC. Dave did some nice keyboard work, the whole thing sounded great. In contrast to the closing song at FRFF, which was a little lame IMO, the Pines Festival closed with a stirring I Shall Be Released. Dave did the first verse, Ellis Paul the second, Dan and Pamela Means did the third verse. Mike's solo on the electric was quite good. Dave was funny as they were taking the stage and plugging in; Pamela strummed her guitar and he said "Ooh! In tune!" This was, by far, my favorite ISBR Fruvous has done. The Pines Festival was a complete success, despite the rain. We didn't really care how wet we were by the time Fruvous started. The Fruvous setlist was an excellent mix of new stuff and old favorites, and I actually thanked Jian for a good setlist after it was all over. Here's to more shows in Northampton. Kudos to the crew, all the musicians and the audience for maintaining good nature during the rain. - --Amanda Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:00:45 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: NoHo : Review Kevin Way wrote: > > It was wet. So, Kevin, what you are saying is that it was wet? Hmmm. It was wet here too. And dark. But not until the power went out. - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:51:19 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Chicago (<18ers please read) > So they came up to us, fidgeting > and looking every direction except at us, and mumbled, "Hey, man, you got > a doobie?" I said, "Uh, NO." They said, "Just a small doobie?" My > friend looked directly at them and said, "We have NO DOOBIES." Then they > just decided we were weird, wandered away and eventually bought from some > Rasta guy who was also hanging around the area (who had also offered to > sell to us, though we declined). > > We can still crack each other up by saying, "Just a SMALL doobie?" Thanks for sharing! This cracked me up too! (I know it's off-topic, but man, I think it was worth it!) I happen to be someone who constantly gets approached for drugs, I obviously look like the type. ;) ciao, donna "This guy came up to us and said, 'Are you high on drugs?' And I said 'Actually, we're low on drugs."' --Dave, VA Beach, 06.22.99 ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 02:48:38 GMT From: sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) Subject: disillusioned? wow, some of you seem to take these messages very seriously. am i just sadly disillusioned here? i thought früvous was more about music and fun than what pants jian wears that you dont like, whether or not daves gay, and how many peoples messages you disagree with. not saying that all messages were about that. and im not putting anyone down for having written those messages, its just that there were more of them than i'd have expected. and i disagree with some of the messages too. and a lot of them were about music, and favorite songs, and concerts, and sharing experiences, and things ive come to almost expect in a fruhead. am i wrong in expecting that? this newsgroup board is turning out a lot different than i would have thought. :o) -----------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 03:10:59 GMT From: sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) Subject: quill??? excuse my stupidity...the quill is like a newsletter type thing right? and if so, how do i subscribe to it? - --------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 03:23:53 GMT From: dstbunnny@aol.com (DstBunnny) Subject: Re: Chicago (<18ers please read) >Then I guess they must have >noticed us standing there and thought, "Hmmmm, a guy with long hair and a >big guy -- they must be selling DRUGS!" Hehe, cute story, but still... am I the only one who immediately thought of Jay and Silent Bob when they read this part? C'mon, I know I wasn't... Christine ...who can't wait for "Dogma" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:39:10 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: disillusioned? SugarFly26 wrote: > wow, some of you seem to take these messages very seriously. am i just sadly > disillusioned here? i thought früvous was more about music and fun than what > pants jian wears that you dont like, whether or not daves gay, and how many > peoples messages you disagree with. not saying that all messages were about > that. and im not putting anyone down for having written those messages, its > just that there were more of them than i'd have expected. *snip* Hey there, and welcome to the wonderful world of ammf. I'm not going to take up a lot of time here, but I do want to speak up and say that this newsgroup is a lot of things. Sometimes it's actually about the band and their music. A lot of reviews and babble about shows and albums happens here. A lot of plans to see the band get put together and unravel here. But a lot of tangential stuff happens here, too. Everyone here *is* interested in Moxy Fruvous, the music, the shows, the personalities that make up the whole experience. Off-Topic stuff happens because this community discovers all kinds of other stuff that they also have in common, whether it's other bands, TV shows, favorite band members, a favorite color, or a desire to take over the world. But this ng *is* a community. The chatter stretches all over the stratosphere. My suggestion is that you hang on, hang in, and hang out and get a real feel for the people and opinions here. Eventually, you may not enjoy the off-topic stuff any more than you do now, but at least you'll understand where it comes from. :) I hope you'll learn to like us. Until then, please check out http://www.fruvous.com (AKA FDC) maintained by the irrepressible Chris O'Malley ;) for any and all questions about the guys, the music, the ng, tour dates, etc. In fact, that's where you should go for you question about the Quill. You need to be on the mailing list to receive the Quill. If you're interested enough, please email Jude Coombe (moxy@passport.com), and ask her nicely if she'll add you to the list and send a copy out. I do hope you'll give the ng a chance. ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 03:46:59 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: quill??? - --- SugarFly26 wrote: > excuse my stupidity...the quill is like a > newsletter type thing right? and if > so, how do i subscribe to it? yes. sign the mailing list. === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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