From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #694 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, August 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 694 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: HERE WE GO AGAIN! [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] happiness ["Tim Deegan" ] Re: a few quick questions [Dante Bucci ] It bwoke, mommy! [FruKid ] Re: Happy Birthday to Me [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: All this Future =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FCvous?= stuff [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: a few quick questions ["Leah Bender" ] Re: Bar concerts... ["andi andrzejewski" ] Re: Happy Birthday to Me [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] Re: DEBS GROUNDED FOR LIFE FROM FRUVOUS?!??! [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinor] Re: Rochesterians, please ignore. [Leah Bridgers ] Re: In-store Frumiles [Leah Bridgers ] Rochesterians, please ignore. ["Neilbert" ] Re: Bar concerts... [Nate DeRose ] Re: Rochesterians, please ignore. ["Neilbert" ] boston brattle square ROCKED!!!!!! :)))) [CLeast18@aol.com] Re: A quick intro... [Nancy Wood ] Thornhill - initial thoughts [Brent & Marianne Miller ] The off-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' [chad schrock wrote: >DON'T SELL THE INDIE CASSETTE! IT'S ILLEGAL! Or at least to we fru-heads >it's equal to murder! Actually, buying it used is the only way to get it aside from trading in 25 frumiles stamps. The Indie cassette is no longer available commercially. Some Fruheads have a problem with the auctioning of the the cassette, but I'm not one of them. It's scarcity and "out of production" status class it as collectable memorabilia for a certain population subgroup (ahem), and we all know that there is a market out there for those types of items. Now, selling a dubbed copy of the Indie cassette...*that* I have a problem with. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:57:24 -0400 From: "Tim Deegan" Subject: happiness FruKid said "And, for happiness' sake, always approach a show with a good attitude." I was thinking the same thing earlier... only not limited to shows. My example: my job is boring, usually when we have no customers (which happens quite often -- I work at Manhattan Bagel) and ya know, boring as all heck. So I make my own fun. Like, lately, I will draw pictures in the cream cheese. Not *in* the cream cheese, but I pressed my finger into the plastic wrap on top of it and color it in with wax pencils. Now when someone sees a smiling cream cheese they know it's me. My new goal is to be able to draw a face kinda like :-P in it. My point? BE HAPPY!!!! Perhaps this is only because I'm still on a Thornhill high combined with post-show adrenaline and pre-show adrenaline (Harbourfest) and the realization that I *finally* got a raise (now I get $5.50 an hour... yippie! :-P jack sh*t money) plus I'm happy to have started my internship at WBER... and the fact that I'm still tired from Tuesday. :) So be happy with life. Draw pictures in cream cheese... leave fun notes and presents for people... laugh at dumb stuff... appreciate your favorite FruLads and the fact that they tour nonstop for months and months and make such wonderful music and are so gosh-darn sweet. Well... enough of my babble. Wait! I have something Fruvous-related! I'm determined to convert the entire staff at Manhattan Bagel to appreciate Fruvous. I might not convert them, but I will make it so they do not cringe when they hear their name. And I have hope that at least one girl will truly love Fruvous... I was away from work for one day and she said to me today, "You said you were gonna make a tape of Fruvous and bring it in. Do you have it yet?" She was excited about it! yay! I shall conquer! I shall conquer! I shall be queen Fruhead at MB... three letters between MF... That's enough, I'm done now. <> j/k... byebye! Maggie "Mozart could do it! What the f*ck is *your* problem?!" -- Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:12:29 GMT From: Dante Bucci Subject: Re: a few quick questions >FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "Veni, Vidi, Velcro -- I came, I saw, I stuck around." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:04:15 GMT From: FruKid Subject: It bwoke, mommy! My posts aren't working, are they? FruKid - -- So, I ask you, which way is up? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:57:40 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Me On 12 Aug 1999 19:52:54 GMT, srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) wrote: Happy Birthday Sara! >-- Lori, who's making a week of it ... well eight days, starting yesterday and >ending at the DC in-stores. (And whose husband gifted her with, among other >things, a truly gorgeous pink flamingo which is just the right size to ensconce >itself on the back deck of the FrüCar -- a suitable gewgaw for FrüTrippin Hell >Week. :) > >-- Lori, just turned 23. ;) Whoa, you mean I'm gonna be the ancient, wizened one during Hell Week? - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:22:22 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: All this Future =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=FCvous?= stuff Ross Hendry wrote: > Fine then, don't "shut up" (as I so childishly put) but how about not > voicing such whiney, negative, self-centred ideas? (Please feel free C'mon, what you're doing is no better. You're bitching about people bitching about something else. Pot, kettle, black. > to go down the easy route on the come-back and turn that one around on > me.) IMO, that is exactly what you are doing. I have this mental > picture of a small child stamping their foot, crossing their arms and > going off into the corner to sulk because they didn't get enough > pudding. You have this image because you refuse to see the argument any other way. I think the arguments being made in favor of Fruvous staying at about the level of popularity they are now are pretty well thought out and well expressed, very much unlike the child you used in your inapplicable example. > As for you being insulted, I think it's fair to see I wasn't intending > to give you (not 'you' personnally) a warm fuzzy feeling. If that's the case, then perhaps you could come up with a better way of expressing your argument. It's not a very good idea to go around insulting people, or even specifically intending to not give them a nice feeling. We're a friendly group, and theoretically, we should be able to deal with differences in opinion better than by just throwing insults around. To quote Moxy Fruvous: "What makes a person so poisonous righteous that they'd think less of anyone who just disagreed?" (I think this line probably gets quoted in most heated arguments around here :) - -- Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:03:28 GMT From: "Leah Bender" Subject: Re: a few quick questions >1) Tuesday night I noticed that while he was prepping himself to sing Fly, >he tugged at the charm thingy on his necklace.... anyone else notice this? >maybe at other shows? I dunno why I want to know, I'm just curious... I've never been to a FrüConcert (going to my first one on Monday in OC! I'm the one with the inflatable green alien! That's a whole nother story, though...), but I've noticed that he's wearing that necklace in almost every picture I've ever seen... I was wondering if it was something special, or something he just likes... - -Bender - ------------------------------------------------------------ * http://www.bombdiggity.com/ * Yeah, baby, YEAH! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:29:57 GMT From: "andi andrzejewski" Subject: Re: Bar concerts... Chad spoke :If the 8' tall 18' wide woman comes and stands in the front row because she got there first, -- Hey - I resemble that remark! andi ( who has been known to get to Harro East at noon for an 8pm show;) ) Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:11:08 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Me In article <7ov1g6$bih$1@knot.queensu.ca>, 4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca says... > Okay, I'm shameless when it comes to seeking attention (at least when I'm > on the Internet...in person is a different story!). So I decided to wish > myself a happy birthday! (aren't I terrible?! But no one at work knows > it's my b-day and I'm too shy to say anything!) Happy birthday, Sara! Don't worry about being shameless - you're not terrible; you're just another Leo! And by the way, a belated happy birthday to our beloved flamingo Lori, fellow crone, Discoverer of the Gigantbox, and Voice of Sane Concert Etiquette for the Medium-Height. Hope it was a good one, and looking forward to seeing you around...*my* birthday! k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 01:38:58 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: DEBS GROUNDED FOR LIFE FROM FRUVOUS?!??! Debs wrote to Mindy this cryptic message ... *Mindy sweetheart, You rock my world. Don't ever forget how special you are and DONT GET MARRIED WITHOUT ME." Um, Mindy, is there something we should know (especially those of us who played good yenta fairy???) QL (Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match ... ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:46:16 -0400 From: Leah Bridgers Subject: Re: Rochesterians, please ignore. Huh? This message just confuses me... although that's not to hard to do! Leah Neilbert wrote: > > [Due to a request from the band, this post is unavailable to folks from Rochester, NY. If you are reading this message instead of a > post about the HMV outstore in Boston, we apologize, but your ISP is configured as if it was in Rochester. Please contact your > system administrator on how to resolve this problem.] > > -- > -neil > neilliam@hotmail.com > www.neilbert.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:44:19 -0400 From: Leah Bridgers Subject: Re: In-store Frumiles You can also just go ask Tobey... he's very friendly and will tell you if you can get stamped... Plus, he has the Pez... Leah FruCake1@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/12/99 4:48:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mattj@charm.net > writes: > > << I know > the rule that if they don't get paid you can't get your card > stamped >> > > They stamped cards at Celebrate Toronto and SONO and they were both free > shows. Just take your lead from other Fruheads and go with the flow. = ) > > Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:39:04 -0400 From: "Neilbert" Subject: Rochesterians, please ignore. [Due to a request from the band, this post is unavailable to folks from Rochester, NY. If you are reading this message instead of a post about the HMV outstore in Boston, we apologize, but your ISP is configured as if it was in Rochester. Please contact your system administrator on how to resolve this problem.] - -- - -neil neilliam@hotmail.com www.neilbert.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:58:17 -0400 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Bar concerts... Kate Leahy wrote: > I recall the March 8, 1998 Iron Horse show. For the > second encore, the band went into the balcony to > perform "The Drinking Song." Murray said something to > the effect of "Well, they came late and got the shitty > seats. This may seem like justice to some, but we > feel they deserve an up-close-and-personal show too." > Certainly they do. But if you're willing to stand out > (sometimes in the freezing cold or oppressive heat) > for hours before the show, you should be able to > capitalize. Yeah! lol! And that was the really ironic thing..... whenever I go to an Iron Horse show, I show up very very early because I WANT to get those balcony seats. See, I personally like to sit when I listen to a show... and just listen.... dancing doesn't really appeal to me. And nowadays, since I tape alot of shows I go to, the sitting thing just works out very well. So yeah, it was pretty humorous to me that he said that..... since I had gotten there very very early to be sure and get one of the "shitty seats".... *grin* Cheers, nate (who you'll always find at a front row balcony table at the horse) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:56:04 -0400 From: "Neilbert" Subject: Re: Rochesterians, please ignore. Sorry, couldn't resist doing something goofy like that. Anyway, the HMV/Cambridge out-store was a lot of fun. As I never remember details, here's some vague impressions... saw Dave in the store wandering out as I was perusing the shelves, said 'hi' as I'm normally quite shy... saw Jian and Mike from afar (across the street and through a crowd) so just kind of hung around where I was. The set included (in no particular order) My Poor Generation, I Will Hold On (which is, without a doubt, my favorite song off Thornhill, for reasons that have since passed), Disco Bargainville (i dunno, after all I had heard, I expected a little more disco-y effects :-), Splatter Splatter, Michigan Militia, Independence Day, You Can't Be Too Careful and Johnny Saucep'n. I tihnk there may have been others, but that's what I remember. Good size crowd, too. As an aside, did Jian write "I Will Hold On"? I've noticed (as, I'm sure countless others have) that there seems to be a lot of emotion put into singing it and he seems a little different at the end; a little less smile in the eyes. OR maybe I'm reading too much of my own experience into the song.... Earleir in the day, maybe 2-3 hours earlier, I also caught the tail end of "The Jim Show" in Brattle Square. He was basically giving theme music to the people as they walked past his setup. If you get the chance, might be worth it to go check him out - I thought he was pretty funny. His website is www.smirk.com. Well, ta. - -- - -neil neilliam@hotmail.com www.neilbert.com Neilbert wrote in message news:37b3775c@news1.us.ibm.net... > [Due to a request from the band, this post is unavailable to folks from Rochester, NY. If you are reading this message instead of a > post about the HMV outstore in Boston, we apologize, but your ISP is configured as if it was in Rochester. Please contact your > system administrator on how to resolve this problem.] > > -- > -neil > neilliam@hotmail.com > www.neilbert.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:13:39 GMT From: CLeast18@aol.com Subject: boston brattle square ROCKED!!!!!! :)))) HEY GUYS! i just got back from brattle square moxy played there tonight!! it was soooo great!! jian looked sooo hot!! & they sounded soooo good. e-mail me if u want to know more, they mostly sang there new songs from thornhill!!!!! THERE WERE SOOO GOOD!! ~Michala with no E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:11:34 GMT From: Nancy Wood Subject: Re: A quick intro... Kate said: > >What's your favorite book >>>>Love in the Time of Cholera Just kidding :). It's actually A Prayer for Owen Meany by John Irving. I was raving about it to hKath in !ndigo over July 4th weekend, and some woman next to me held it up and said "I'm glad I decided to pick it up, then." :)<<<< Owen Meany is one of my all-time favorite books too. Just thinking about it makes me want to go pull it off the shelf and re-read it. Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:13:59 GMT From: Brent & Marianne Miller Subject: Thornhill - initial thoughts After listening to Thornhill twice (under less than ideal circumstances) my first impression can be summed up as one of surprise. Even though I've heard just about every song live (on numerous occasions) the total musical package was different from what I expected. Thornhill is not my favorite Fruvous CD. At least not today; tomorrow of course, is another story. I've found that great art, like great music is not always readily apparent. Surely many of you have already picked up on what you consider the greatness of Thornhill. However, my initial impression of Thornhill is that of a band trying to shed the reputation of being "sort of like that other Canadian band, Barenaked Ladies" (that was meant sarcastically). Outwardly, it appears that the selection of producer Don Dixon is a move towards "popular" music; whatever that may be. It seems as though Don Dixon has taken the music of Fruvous and turned it into something he perceives as being palatable to a wider audience. Gone is our mascot the budgie and on the surface, that indefinable sound that I traditionally considered Moxy Fruvous. With that being said, I feel that I have to defend myself before I am lumped into the category of "One of those fans that left the band after Wood was released." First of all, I think Wood is a GREAT record, and second, I'm not looking for Bargainville Part II. I suppose I was expecting Thornhill to be an extension of the live Fruvous show and a natural progression of what the band has done in the past. It seem that there is a missing link between this record and their previous offerings. Perhaps if "C" had come out before Thornhill it would have bridged the evolutionary gap of the band who's music I love. Do I recommend Thornhill? ABSOLUTELY! Run out and buy a copy for yourself and a friend. Bug the radio station to play the new single and bring as many friends to a Fruvous show as humanly possible. This record proves that Fruvous is willing to take a chance and move forward—trusting their fans to be enlightened enough to accept change and join them on their musical journey. All aboard the FruVan for uncharted lands, - -Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:37:35 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: The off-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' Trace wrote: > Hey, I just figured that a bandmember sided with us Lori, so why > should I indulge chad's attempt at vicarious fru-experiences? A > further note: chad claims a lot of places as being Baltimore > shows, Actually, no. I'm counting them as Maryland shows. And, I'm only counting the cool places. > but when was the last time he attended one of these so-called > "local shows?" Hmmmm? Um, the last cool one? Actually, it's kind of hard to go to a show that hasn't happened yet. (There are 15 Maryland shows listed on the card. The card covers from now until 2000.) Now, I could go on about not being the type of fan that just *has* to be at *every* show, but I won't go there.... :P > I told you Lori, I fight dirty :-) Better luck next time. :) - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:32:59 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: The on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' Trust me. Stick with it. Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > chad alleges: > >Legal? I don't subscribe to your "laws." > /methinks chad's > joined the Michigan Militia. Maryland Militia. Hon. > > > *My* ticket, sweetheart. Paid for. cancelled check. all that. > >I have said ticket in my posession. 9/10ths of the law and > >all that. > we'll take it to Judge Judy then. Her? bah Let's go see Whipper, the big haired blond thing. > >I haven't held anything back. I was just giving you a gentle > >reminder. (Trace remembered, after all. :) > Oh, so then you acknowledge this is one of your delusional > power trips. I'm on a surge. Of course I don't think that many people wanted to know that. Anyway, no more than any of yours. > But are you accusing *Trace* of sucking up and not speaking > her mind? Hoo boy. You DO like living dangerously, lad. ;) Excuse me? (why do I feel like I'm living an episode of 'The Real World'? OK, so I just watched several episodes on MTV, but that's beside the point.) > I tend to think she's just leaving it alone because she starred > in last week's bicker-thread, and that satisfied her need for > chad-shared nonsense. I'm calling the actor's guild. I want more money for this. Ok, I'm going to step out of character and write a sentance or two that is on-topic here.... I *really* like Thornhill. It's a great album. 'Hate Letter" is kind of 'eh for me, but the rest of the songs are great. Maybe it is just my faulty memory, but the CD seems rather Dave-heavy. (which is a good thing) I know that there are a bunch of Jian and Mike songs and a *very* few Murray (and what songs they are! wow!) songs, but the CD just says "Dave" to me. I think my favourite song on the CD is MPG and ID. In alternating times at first place. Mostly, I would have to lean towards ID, though. The song just works exceptionally well, IMO. (Every time I've heard the song in concert, it hasn't been mixed that well, so it's nice to actually be able to decipher most of the song and to actually be able to really listen to it. Wow. Murray doesn't write that much, but when he does it is usually something that is very good. (Not that the other guys don't do that, but there is a certain facsination with the rarity of it, I think.) Really, that was not meant as a back-handed compliment or anything. Now, I'm not sure that I like Thornhill more than wood, though. Thornhill is still in the 'oh-my-god-i-just-got-the-cd-and- it's-sooooo-great-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah' phase. Let's tawk in a couple of weeks. So far, I've twisted the arm of a friend of mine and she has bought the CD (she described the clips on cdnow as "very Beatlesque. In the good way, not in the sucky way, like Oasis.") and another friend of mine has listened to it and likes really it. (He's also seen them live once, I'm trying to convice him that coming with me to DC would be a good thing.) I tried to get friend #1 to come to the Annapolis show, but she is a self-described 'stick in the mud.' Oh well, it frees up the tickets for my cousin (the one that I like, not the 10ish-year-old that I don't barely tolerate that is visiting from Colorado right now) and maybe my cool aunt. Ok, that was a really long sentance or two... Go to bed now, or something. - -- chad at radix dot net I am *not* the chad that can have the serious music discussion about chords and progression and bridgework and caps and fillings and the like. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 03:10:11 GMT From: mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie) Subject: Re: a few quick questions Jian has also tugged on the charm during "The Drinking Song" when they sing, told him he couldn't just die. I dunno! - -Mocksie "By a stream of running water, I heard you laugh. I closed my eyes for an hour and a half, and tried to make you appear. I swear in the beauty of the setting sun, you were here." ~Moxy Fruvous~ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 03:24:24 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (star shaped) Subject: Re: DEBS GROUNDED FOR LIFE FROM FRUVOUS?!??! >*Sarah, thanks >for being so amazing to a complete stranger. deb, you rock. it was excellent meeting you (and mindy.. ::wave::) and talking to you. :) sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "is there something you like? teletubbies! is there something you despise? teletubbies! is it fun to play with dolls? ..not dolls, teletubbies!" ~moxy fruvous, 8/10/99 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 03:09:37 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: The on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' chad proposed: >Let's go see Whipper, the big haired blond thing. only if she's clothed, please. >> Oh, so then you acknowledge this is one of your delusional >> power trips. >I'm on a surge. Of course I don't think that many people wanted >to know that. > >Anyway, no more than any of yours. me? power trips? why you little twerp, watch your mouth or I'll have My People take care of it. ;) >(why do I feel like I'm living an episode of 'The Real World'? Because this, much like The Real World, is rather more fun than the real world. >Ok, I'm going to step out of character and write a sentance or >two that is on-topic here.... > critical organs that might have just stopped> Thanks for the suggestion ... that rhythm in my chest suddenly became decidedly arrhythmic. Maybe it is just my faulty memory, but the CD seems >rather Dave-heavy. (which is a good thing) I know that there >are a bunch of Jian and Mike songs and a *very* few Murray (and >what songs they are! wow!) songs, but the CD just says "Dave" >to me. > >I think my favourite song on the CD is MPG and ID. In alternating >times at first place. Mostly, I would have to lean towards ID, >though. The song just works exceptionally well, IMO. (Every time >I've heard the song in concert, it hasn't been mixed that well, >so it's nice to actually be able to decipher most of the song and >to actually be able to really listen to it. Wow. Murray doesn't >write that much, but when he does it is usually something that is >very good. (Not that the other guys don't do that, but there is >a certain facsination with the rarity of it, I think.) Really, >that was not meant as a back-handed compliment or anything. > >Now, I'm not sure that I like Thornhill more than wood, though. >Thornhill is still in the 'oh-my-god-i-just-got-the-cd-and- >it's-sooooo-great-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah' phase. Let's >tawk in a couple of weeks. I'm still stuck on wood, although quite infatuated with TH. Among many things, what clinches wood for me is its versatility -- TH seems slightly more streamlined, stylewise. >tickets for my cousin (the one that I like, not the 10ish-year-old >that I don't barely tolerate that is visiting from Colorado right >now) and maybe my cool aunt. kewl! Trace and I won't scare either of these people. Or at least we'll try not to. Right, Trace? >Ok, that was a really long sentance or two... Go to bed now, >or something. You've apparently caught that same I'm-writing-and-I-can't-shut-up thing that periodically plagues Angie and me. :) - -- Lori ************ DON'T f~ck with the woman with PMS. -- me ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #694 ********************************************