From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #682 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 682 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 2-for-1s (Was OT: Dick of Dick's Pick) ["Erring" ] Re: 2-for-1s (Was OT: Dick of Dick's Pick) [luckydabed@aol.complexity (ma] Re: Newsflash about "C" [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Weird coincidence (very Fruvous related!) [drea1@my-deja.com] Initial Thoughts on Thornhill [Chad Maloney ] Re: Initial Thoughts on Thornhill [Bridget ] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fruhead.Com is open! [Aryn - Marietta Eaton ] Tapes N Stuvv [FruKid ] Re: Collecting on Frumiles [Snarky Spice ] moxy winwood!?!? ["VINCENT G. CICILLINI" ] Re: C Album Predictions . . . ["Gordon Elgart" ] Re: OT: Are vegetarians better lovers?!? [hawley@plinth.org (Steve Hawley] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:16:35 -0400 From: "Erring" Subject: Re: 2-for-1s (Was OT: Dick of Dick's Pick) Tim Cain wrote in message ... >Point 'em out so we can string 'em up! I dont want to start flamming anyone in particular. However, the point should be made not to trade with some who insists on a tape tax. >Seriously, this has NEVER been my experience. I have only seen one posting on this ng which mentions 2:1 trading. And that person was rightfully chastized. However, I have noticed on two or three personal web sites that they will do 2:1 trading for newbies. One such site was a link on FDC and is on Fruhead.com. Others were just general search engine searchs like "Moxy Fruvous Tape Trading". >In fact, when I've TRIED to hand extra tapes or cash to Fruvous traders -- >for their trouble, if nothing else -- they've thrown cash back in my >face, and taken the extra tapes and filled them up with more stuff. Good for them. >There are plenty of people willing to trade (or help out by starting >newbies). Ignore those 2-for-1 folks around here. True. In fact, one in particular is spinning some shows for me now. I dont have any Fruvous myself at this point, but will soon (I mostly Dead and Jerry Garcia which, understandably, noone is particularly interested in trading for here). I finally did find someone willing to make some copies, but it did take some doing, contacted 4-5 people with only one willing to make copies for B&P. >And by the way, isn't fruhead.com the coolest thing on the Web since .... >ummm, FDC? True True. In fact it seems to make tape trading alittle more accessible. Erring ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:50:55 -0400 From: Luella Benn Subject: Re: Important subject if you collect Frumiles GordonLew naively questioned: Since power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely how does Tobey with all the power of the stamp stay so pure? Tobey?? David Tobey??? Pure???? Excuse me whilst I pick myself up off of the floor. It's all an act I assure you.... - --luella ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 20:43:09 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (GordonLew) Subject: Re: Newsflash about "C" >Does this mean that theoretically, they could have as many >albums as there are letters in the alphabet? Even assuming >they never use the title "A", after "B" and "C" that's 23 >more funny albums to go! They have a lot of work on their >plates! >-Matt, anxiously awaiting "Z" > > Don't be silly. Naming the albums after the letters of the alphebet till you run out of letters. What about !@#$%^&*()_+|\=-][;'":,./?><,`~there are lots more albums to come. Feanole ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 20:41:38 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead.com) Subject: Re: whine whine whine chad bickered: >>Who said that we were 'sharing' Annapolis? >>I don't share. (Being an only and all, I'm just like that.) Oh, fine, be like that. I don't care. So Annapolis is ALL Philly show. :P > >> I'd expect both of you to be able to settle this without >> smashings or smooshings or shreddings. > >Will there be chair throwing and clothing removal? You'll have to ask Donna and Lawrence when they get back from Ra-cha-cha. >Frümonic... Is that the sound that your car makes when you >drive down what passes for freeways in that state? In Connecticut? You heard all that way down south? I'm impressed -- but heavens no, that wasn'[t Frumonic Convergence, but merely the sound of horns, and tires squealing, and the monotonous clickclick of hazard lights, and Trace's whoop of delight at the utter denial of shoulder-as-lane. The Point of Frumonic Convergence makes no sound whatsoever. Yet it IS located in the Philadelphia suburb known as Connecticut. >Or is is the sound that the blender makes when you Früvous the cat? Oh *honestly*. Despite the specious claims of the manic Fordy, this is NOT an animal-abuse-endorsing newsgroup. I'm ashamed of you, schrock. Truly ashamed. - -- Lori ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lori@fruhead.com Lori's Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy, newly updated amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 21:10:40 GMT From: mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie) Subject: Re: Thornhill Musings . . . I was gonna say that Thornhill has replaced wood as my favorite too... but I'm not jumping the gun yet... I gotta get used to it ;) Loves, Mocks "By a stream of running water, I heard you laugh. I closed my eyes for an hour and a half, and tried to make you appear. I swear in the beauty of the setting sun, you were here." ~Moxy Fruvous~ ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 21:21:16 GMT From: aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu Subject: Re: Thornhill Musings . . . Kate Leahy wrote: : On a side note, has anyone been watching the sales : ranking on Amazon? 'Thornhill' jumped from 351 to 284 : in a couple of hours. : Big things, my friends . . . It's at 147 now, and #4 on the New Releases list. - - A.P. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:06:46 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: =?ISO Latin 1?Q?Pisco_Fran=E7ais?= If you enter "This little fellow's really got it made" into Babelfish, translate into French, then translate it back to English, it becomes "This small comrade really obtained the fact." - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 21:08:25 GMT From: luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria) Subject: Re: 2-for-1s (Was OT: Dick of Dick's Pick) you said: >I finally did find someone willing to make some copies, >but it did take some doing, contacted 4-5 people with only one willing to >make copies for B&P. hmmm i'd be happy to give you a tape or 2 of a concert..i'm a very recent collecter and only have four concerts. The best are the most recent ann arbor concerts...email me for details maria ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ "'Is there something you like?' 'Barney.' 'Is there something you despise?' 'Barney'...'Is something you reject?' 'Food that isn't Barney'" - --Moxy Fruvous, 6/15/99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:07:01 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Newsflash about "C" On 10 Aug 1999 20:43:09 GMT, gordonlew@aol.com (GordonLew) wrote: >>Does this mean that theoretically, they could have as many >>albums as there are letters in the alphabet? Even assuming >>they never use the title "A", after "B" and "C" that's 23 >>more funny albums to go! They have a lot of work on their >>plates! >>-Matt, anxiously awaiting "Z" >> >> > >Don't be silly. Naming the albums after the letters of the alphebet till you >run out of letters. What about !@#$%^&*()_+|\=-][;'":,./?><,`~there are lots >more albums to come. Oooh, we could have the "Computer Keyboard" series! I can't wait til "Ctrl-Alt-Delete" is released, which should be shortly after "Num Lock." I think this fulfills my daily quota of silly posts. My work here is done. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:56:22 GMT From: drea1@my-deja.com Subject: Weird coincidence (very Fruvous related!) About three weeks ago I'd called Jude to find out how to go about getting the guys booked here (my hometown of Chatham ON), and she was very helpful, though with my now-approaching move to Toronto, I gave up on the idea. Well, I was in Soundtrax today (the *only* decent record store in Chatham) to put my hold order in for Thornhill... and the coincidence happened :) Manager guy (hereafter called M.G. for short *g*) was asking me about Fruvous, and mentioned that he'd been in a meeting that morning with another person who was thinking about using some city money for a concert or a kids' event. M.G. said that the guy then asked him "What do you think about Moxy Fruvous?" M.G. told me that he was hesitant - I said "yes! There are a lot of fans from Michigan, Ohio, New York and Ontario who would come down for a show, especially if it was on a weekend." At which point I was asked if I was a big fan, and if the guys toured a lot. (He was informed about today's instore, and why the Cdn date is two weeks later than the American.) So M.G. is going to mention what I said to the guy next time he sees him :) :) :) /me is now hyper at the thought of a possible show here for the first time since June 95 :)!! Drea "I didn't lose my mind it was mine to give away..." - Robbie Williams "You're a fruhead - you don't count. We're talking about normal people." - - Fiona, July 19/99 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:21:47 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Initial Thoughts on Thornhill Okay, everyone. Canadians and other, this is a spoiler message. Read at your own risk, ok? Here's my initial take on Thornhill at first listen and second listen. What makes albums tops in my book is hard to describe. I appreciate a good bass line, but too much is too much and too complex is too complex. Real meaningful great lyrics help a lot to me. But what makes an album the best in my book is the moments I feel something when I listen. It isn't because the eighth note on the bass line is exactly out of the pocket enough to swing the tune. It isn't because the bass line holds the 7th over the root for just enough time to make it slick-o. It's because I get a chill when I listen to the song at that point for one reason or another. Here are those moments for my first couple listens of Thornhill that made it my favorite album almost instantly: #1 The first one came in Half as Much at bridge where it starts hitting hard and together. o/~ In a year or two.. ~/o and it leads into the guitar solo. Damn. Bass and guitar together in solo is great and the harmonies and the driving of the kick drum in that are great. Then they kick off the last verse minimally with only the electric whining in the background. Wow. Then I realized what really did it. Toms!!! There are toms on the album. Like a real drum set toms! *grin* #2 The second one came in the chorus to I Will Hold On for some reason. I dunno. The second from last chorus struck me as sounding really deep and complete for some reason. #3 Boy, the third hit quick. Earthquakes rocks! The flowing music makes my head start spinning when I listen to the earphones. That's wonderful. I get a circling sensation listening to the whole song that just really does it for me. I've never heard the Windsor version of this song, but this version is incredible. I hope they can nail it live and start showing it off in Rochester on the 10th. #4 I'm still in Earthquakes, head still spinning, and the last verse kicks in with nothing but snaps, acoustic, and lyrics. Nice touch. The moment of silence right before brings me up and when the snaps, wrangling acoustic, and voice comes in it grabs me. #5 Guitar in Splatter Splatter at the top is great. But what gets me is the simple accordion quarter notes through out on top of the drumming, it really keeps the whole thing grounded and solid. This is a great song and I think it'll do really well on radio stations if it can get there. #6 Still in Splatter Splatter, Mike's overdubbed vocals on "messing up the place" is awesome. Live he really stresses this phrase and flares his voice up high. On the album, he sings it normally and then overdubs the flared up vocals over it in the background, which turned out really slick. Don Dixon, maybe? No idea, but a guy whose name on the back is bigger than track listing has gotta be an influence on the disc. #7 You don't think I'm not gonna mention the bass fill after the instrumental break in Independence Day, do you? I didn't think so. I love the fill that leads the heavier drums back in after the light instrumental portion. The strummed electric is a little high in the mix, but it can be gotten used to. #8 The Downsizing chorus vocals when they climb are a really nice touch. I've liked this song since I first heard it myself and the recorded version really appeals to me. I love Jian story songs more than Jian sappy songs (my opinion there). I'll take Follow the Road over Fly anyday. Well, Downsizing is very Follow the Road-y (not to be confused with Follow the Roadie) and the vocals on this one are worthy of the forefront the music gives them. I love how the piana pulls the vocals to the front while keeping the beat and allowing the bass to play around. This is a great example of how the group's musical orchestration around the song has gotten a lot better as time has gone on. This is the Nuits De Reve of Thornhill to me and keeps me with chills through most of the song like Nuits De Reve does (and I know what the lyrics are saying on this one *Grin*). #9 Still in Downsizing and most people are probably thinking "Boy this song is too long" and I'm still captivated by it. They repeat the same line over and over again and each time it's still got me. They stress each word in it and it's perfect to me. And then the birdies bring in Hate Letter *Grin* #10 Hate Letter!! Boy, oh boy. You Dave vocal fans must be eating this one up. Dave sounds great. What grabs me about this one is Dave's pickups into the verses. o/~ There was a perfume on the breeze ~/o, o/~ Sometime you have to wonder why ~/o. Those parts get me each time. My head has the bass doubling it, but that's a problem me and my head are gonna have to work through together. #11 Okay, I'm still in Hate Letter and Dave sings some of Half as Much in the background and I just have to smile and wonder what the heck else is going on in the background. You know I'm just waiting for someone a little crazier than me to crank it up, pan all the way to the left, and start decipher what's being said in the background. #12 Still in Hate Letter, there's some damn fine bass work. Listen to it and get back to me, ok? #13 Okay, still in Hate Letter (I had never heard this before so I was eatting it up). Lyrics, oh man. o/~ Satan in satin slippers, Christ on a crooked crutch ~/o. #14 If Only You Knew, I absolutely adore the lines o/~ An old troubadour on the street that night plays for our passing change. On a fiddle in G on a melody mysterious and strange ~/o. The moment that got me is the word Troubadour which Mike says perfectly. It's almost Flansburghian when he puts that many syllables into the space. Mike writes love songs the way I like love songs, I guess. This song my favorite of them, even better than Doorstep. #15 Finally, My Poor Generation. The chosen closer to this great album. Overdubbed vocals in this song are used really well, but the moment I feel this song and what it means is the o/~ Lost in Union Station ~/o line. I can feel Dave when he sings that. This song is my favorite Fruvous song now, and that's saying a lot. Before I couldn't say I had one of those, now I do. The whole package, the drums (with toms again in fills *grin*), the bass part, the guitar work, the vocal and the meaning and feeling make this song the top of my list. It's almost an anthem and I get the same feelings I get hearing some of Credence Clearwater Revival's songs. I can only hope that song gets what it deserves. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:52:42 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: Initial Thoughts on Thornhill - --- Chad Maloney wrote: > > Here's my initial take on Thornhill at first > listen and second listen. What > makes albums tops in my book is hard to > describe. I appreciate a good bass > line, but too much is too much and too complex > is too complex. Real > meaningful great lyrics help a lot to me. But > what makes an album the > best in my book is the moments I feel something > when I listen. wow. Chad [1], i got chills just from reading your review. thanks! [1] - notice the (proper) use of a capital letter. i never use capital letters... *g* === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:43:27 GMT From: Aryn - Marietta Eaton Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fruhead.Com is open! WOOOOOWHOOOOOO!!! This site is totally awesome!!!!! Aryn, now happily known as ~lanna@fruhead.com - --- Lori Martin wrote: > Josh Woodward sent out a birth announcement: > > >Greetings, all.. happy Thornhill day! I'm happy to > announce that > >Fruhead.Com is now open to the world! > > Dude! This site ROCKS! > > -- Lori, who by the time most of you wake up should > be known as > > Lori@fruhead.com :) > === Aryn - Marietta Eaton Caelfind ni Mullen (called Alanna) Chatalaine, shire of Innersea, on Sabatical in Barony of Nordskogen Self profrssed Star Wars, U2, and Moxy Fruvous Fanatic "If I wanted to hear the pitter patter of little feet, I'd put shoes on the cat." _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:12:43 GMT From: jsbl@aol.com (JSBL) Subject: Re: Initial Thoughts on Thornhill all i can say is that i just got it and i have listened to it twice already because you know the first time it never really sounds right...this album reminds me alot of wood..but thats just me...i can't wait to see the guys in ocean city on monday.. rock out jordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:37:13 GMT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Re: Thornhill! In a message dated 8/10/99 2:05:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, llion@dolphin.upenn.edu writes: << so I went to a price-hiker cd store and got the last copy - after the clerk looked at me like I was from mars. >> I was going to go to a price-hiker store, but out of curiosity called Best Buy. I couldn't believe they had it!! Actually, I got the last one (he held it for me) and they have 20 more on order!! I am so glad that I called!! Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:16:23 GMT From: Snarky Spice Subject: Re: whine whine whine In article <19990808211039.28107.00010009@ng-fh1.aol.com>, srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) wrote: > chad's falling right into my little trap, hee hee: > The definition Trace, Jian and I are using, which i imagine would be > endorsed by many midwestern, western, and Canadian Fruheads (not to > mention those off continent) is that a local show is any within 200 miles. :) > > Yes, this does imply a great degree of overlap -- Donna's Cleveland > show is also Lawrence's Pittsburgh show, but a show in Pittsburgh > would likewise count as an Ohio show. > So DC/Annapolis is OURS, dammit. New Jersey, Delaware, NYC and lower > Connecticut are Philly suburbs. And while Pittsburgh isn't ours, I > believe it *DOES* belong to DC/Maryland. Lori, as the official Queen of Snark--and anybody who disagrees me will be glared at until a hole burns through their skin--I hereby take DC and Maryland back. Philly shows are things you can get to on commuter rail, hon. "Shows I can get to easily" are different for each person. See, for me, Anything with a major airport and reliable ground transit is something I can get to. I think the 200 miles is reasonable, but you *may* *not* claim our piece of turf. /me smiles sweetly as she withdraws her claws. > -- Lori, hellbent on taking over the world Good luck. ;) - --Amanda Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:41:41 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Tapes N Stuvv Hullo! I've been gone at da beach for a while, so that means i never figured out what was up w/the taping of Conan O'Brian or whatever... has it aired, and does anyone feel like selling/trading/etcing me a tape (pweeeez??). Plus.. does anyone have a tape pf the VA Beach show? I didn't see anyone but I wasn't really sure... you taperpeople are tricksy that way... FruKid - -- "..Dijon.." -- Teresa, the MustardGirl "Hey, go talk to MustardMan!!" -- My Mom "i am the slowest of the slower than the slow!!! .....hmm, why am I taking pride in this?" -- maria Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:35:41 GMT From: Snarky Spice Subject: Re: Collecting on Frumiles In article <37b02ab6.5360618@news3.ibm.net>, vika@fruhead.com wrote: > I said: > > >Easy! You go to FDC and read the FAQ. :) > > ...and immediately realized that if you're new to this whole Fruvous > online world, you might not know that FDC is Fruvous Dot Com - > http://www.fruvous.com Good point, Vika. With a possible influx of new folk, we who have been around for a bit should watch our shorthand for a while, as a courtesy. 'FDC' is convenient and cool, but 'D' isn't a substitute for '.' on the rest of the 'net. It's not that hard to at least type www.fruvous.com, if not the entirely clickable http://www.fruvous.com. :) Still buzzing on Thornhill. - --Amanda "Start out straight, but I get to meander..." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:39:01 GMT From: "VINCENT G. CICILLINI" Subject: moxy winwood!?!? hey, look! misty says: (steve winwood) 8-D lori says: (moxy fruvous) 8-D while candy says (the velvet underground) wait a minute ... no, that's not right ... all of this just makes me smile! (chicago) ciao--vincent (starry starry night) (don mclean) ________________________________________________________ "others take TO dave. in this band, we take FROM dave." -- mike ford, 6/15/99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:18:21 -0400 From: "Gordon Elgart" Subject: Re: C Album Predictions . . . I don't want to predict. I find Früvous to be mildly unpredictable. I would rather suggest... That's Any Good!!! Gordon....the original ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:04:49 -0800 From: hawley@plinth.org (Steve Hawley) Subject: Re: OT: Are vegetarians better lovers?!? In article <37AC5A67.ADFFFF9B@umich.edu>, Joe Navratil wrote: > Steve Hawley wrote: > > > > Go for base 2! You can count to 1024 without taking off your shoes and > > socks or (if you're a guy) dropping your pants! > > Sure, but don't count in binary in public. People will probably get offended > every time you pass four. > > -Joe, marvelling at how physically hard it is to form nine with one hand. My > ring finger just won't *do* that. Take up piano and it gets easier. - -- Steve Hawley Bit Banger hawley@plinth.org - -- "Worship the potato? The idea seemed silly to me. But then I thought, what else is more deserving of worship? It's simple, it comes from the earth, and it can kill you if you disobey it."--Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey http://www.plinth.org ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #682 ********************************************