From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #627 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, July 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 627 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Myers-Briggs [Chad Maloney ] Re: That Song Jian Wrote [Chad Maloney ] Re: Oops [Josh Drury ] Re: King of Spain [Chad Maloney ] Re: a tangle of questions [Chad Maloney ] Re: Myers-Briggs [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin)] RE: Myers-Briggs ["Wood, Nancy" ] Re: PhillyFolkFest [Jihead1@aol.com] Re: Oops [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin)] Re: Myers-Briggs [Josh Drury ] Re: Those Who Like Fruvous, Those Who Don't [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori] Re: Myers-Briggs [Josh Drury ] Philly Folk Fest [Kate Leahy ] Re: a tangle of questions [timiny ] Re: Myers-Briggs ["Ken Perschke" ] Re: a tangle of questions [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (star shaped)] Re: Those Who Like Fruvous, Those Who Don't [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: Ebay email [jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure)] Re: I Have a Vision [Donna Hunt ] my MB thinger [Limegem@aol.com] Re: Myers-Briggs [Donna Hunt ] Re: Live Noise WORKS!! [BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson)] Re: Myers-Briggs [Donna Hunt ] Re: daddy's "these guys" comments [BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson)] Re: King of Spain [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Re: Those Who Like Fruvous, Those Who Don't [katrin@dimensional.com (Katr] Re: Myers-Briggs [LSan497884@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:23:30 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs Fiona wrote: > Prettty wide range, really. If you're curious the test can be found > online at http://www.meyers-briggs.com I'm very INFP. Usually score perfect on the I and in the 40's on the other 3. And it's close enough to Monday morning to post a lot even though it's 11:30 and I've worked all morning to prep people for a 1pm meeting that someone scheduled for me while I was gone *Grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:40:27 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: That Song Jian Wrote Jennifer Schlosser wrote: > A few weeks back there were a few posts regarding a song that Jian had > written that wasn't on a MF CD, but on a CD of another band. That would be Jian co-writing with Sean Altman (http://www.bigsean.com). I think the song was called Town No More and I don't know if anyone ever got somewhere to download. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Sean used to be in Rockapella and is very talented. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:28:47 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Oops Amy wrote: > Ok, so I can't type or spell or anything. I know that it was souls and not > soles, so the change is made. Sorry if I offended anyone! > Amy > > They took off their shoes and bared their SOULS. > ~Moxy Fruvous, "Fly" No problem. It's a homonym, and an intended one at that. Who would take offence? Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:32:38 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: King of Spain Raenfaerie@aol.com wrote: > > How would you Peoples of More Experience suggest I convince two people that > there's more to Fruvous than KoS? They're hardcore and won't accept anything > else. I'm in despair ... i must show them the greatness that is Moxy! When you say "there's more to Fruvous than King of Spain" do you mean they don't like Fruvous because of King of Spain or they absolutely love Fruvous because of King of Spain? If 1): Play them something more like what they like. If they like instruments and deep music, play some Wood (maybe Horseshoes/Tureen/Fly). Maybe Michigan Militia or Sahara. If they like sexy songs, No No Raja is great. If they like pop, wait till August 10th and you'll be equipped to wow them as well or play Get in the Car. If 2): Work them off King of Spain with Green Eggs and Ham and Kick in the Ass. Start working towards non-acapella wacky songs like BJ and Darlington Darling. Then eventually get them into all of Bargainville and go from there. I've done #2 successfully a couple times. I've never tried number 1. Most people I know are openminded enough not judge the group on one song. Of course once they survive a concert and not enjoy it, I usually quit asking them to check the band out. Everyone has their own tastes and sometimes Fruvous isn't it. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:27:43 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: a tangle of questions Acaia78 wrote: > > In the past two days I've seen mentions of Fruvous posters and FRFF CDs. I got > really bored awhile ago and made a nifty Frucollage, but I'd like an official > poster, too, if anyone could let me know how to get them. I have 3 Moxy Fruvous posters framed on my wall in my bedroom. There exists a Wood poster, You Will Go to the Moon poster (promo poster), and a Live Noise poster (also a promo poster). The Live Noise posters may be still available from MFHQ or Tobey at the Merch table. As for getting the other 2, I dunno. I got my Moon poster from someone I knew who promoted a show and got the promo kit. I got my Wood poster in a trade for the Indie Tape. The only place I've seen Wood posters available are as raffle prizes at Frucon. roB! won a great mounted Wood poster at Frucon I and a couple others got ones from Frucon II. > Have any FRFF CDs > been released before? Is there one being released soon, and if so, when? New this year, they are releasing a FRFF CD called Main Stage Live (or something like that). It sounds like they have the contents already decided because they listed names in the promo for it, but I dunno. If they have any sense there'd be some Fruvous on it *grin*. Stay tuned to http://www.fruvous.com. I'm sure Chris will put up news if Fruvous makes it onto the CD. Hope that helps some. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 1999 17:32:34 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs Matt James asked: >Zoinks! This website costs $3 to take the test. I'm sure >I've seen this on the Internet for free. Anybody know where? Go here for a quick, rough assessment: - -- Lori ******************************* Lori's Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html Früvous/amm-f factoids galore (courtesy of Colleen Campbell): http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:51:05 GMT From: "Wood, Nancy" Subject: RE: Myers-Briggs One of the free temperment tests can be found at http://keirsey.com/ sounds like we're almost all something NF something. This is what they say about NF people: The NFs On the introspective side, Myers had NFs as friendly to the core in dreaming up how to give meaning and wholeness to people's lives. Conflict in those around them is painful for NFs, something they must deal with in a very personal way, and so they care deeply about keeping morale high in their membership groups, and about nurturing the positive self-image of their loved ones. Indeed, while they might differ from each other on how important judging schedules (J) or probing for options (P) is in acting on their friendly feelings, and while their social address can be expressive (E) or reserved (I), all NFs consider it vitally important to have everyone in their circle -- their family, friends, and colleagues -- feeling good about themselves and getting along with each other. Thus Myers, an INFP herself, saw her fellow NFs as "humane" and "sympathetic" -- as "enthusiastic" and "religious" - -- as "creative" and "intuitive" -- and as "insightful" and "subjective." Again this is a distinct picture of attitude and action, showing NFs to be very much like each other and greatly different from SPs, SJs, and NTs. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Nancy Wood "When children learn to count they naturally add and multiply. Subtraction and division are harder to teach them, perhaps because reducing the world is an adult skill." ~Jeanette Winterson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:25:56 GMT From: Jihead1@aol.com Subject: Re: PhillyFolkFest I called the PFF people to find out what time Fruvous was playing because I wanted to know which ticket to buy. They told me that they are scheduled for an evening performance. They were very helpful! Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 1999 18:22:25 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: Oops Josh Drury wrote: >Amy wrote: > >> Ok, so I can't type or spell or anything. I know that it was souls and not >> soles, so the change is made. Sorry if I offended anyone! >> Amy >> >> They took off their shoes and bared their SOULS. >> ~Moxy Fruvous, "Fly" > >No problem. It's a homonym, and an intended one at that. Who would take >offence? errm, not the Lads, especially as the liner notes to Wood say "soles". :) - -- Lori, adores puns and other low forms of humour. ************* Take a look around The sun has gone down And I had a good time Did you have a good time? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:20:00 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs After debating with myself for quite a while whether I even agree with such tests, I snapped and took one. Result: INTJ (I: 100% N: 60% T: 60% J: 70%; but who's counting?) Josh Drury Winnipeg "Labels are for soup cans, not for people." -- Michael Stipe "That's just the American media trying to pidgeonhole us." -- Jian Ghomeshi ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 1999 18:16:44 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: Those Who Like Fruvous, Those Who Don't Melanie said: >Mike Ford is quoted in an article in the Ann Arbor paper, June 10 (It's on >FDC) as saying of Fruvous fans: "And they're a bunch of geeks, just like we >are. And we like that." > >So, I guess that's supposed to be good, right? It's always A Good Thing(tm) to embrace your inner geek (and/or hippie). It's empowering and liberating and validating. And the guys know this. That's why they go around outing us all at every opportunity, encouraging us to take pride in our God-given nature. - -- Lori *************** "We are hippies and geeks" -- approximately 1200 people, in unison, 2/6/99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:37:59 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs Josh Drury wrote: > After debating with myself for quite a while whether I even agree with such > tests, I snapped and took one. Result: INTJ > (I: 100% N: 60% T: 60% J: 70%; but who's counting?) Okay, getting a second opinion (and what does that say about me?), I'm now INTP. Sheesh. Josh (again) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:30:19 GMT From: Kate Leahy Subject: Philly Folk Fest Inside sources have Früvous playing their mainstage set second-to-last on the second night of the festival. That would be second-to-last on Saturday. ~~Kate === kate leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com you're the magic that holds the sky up from the ground . . . - --ben folds five, "magic" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:11:58 -0800 From: timiny Subject: Re: a tangle of questions >I have 3 Moxy Fruvous posters framed on my wall in my >bedroom. There exists a Wood poster, You Will Go to the >Moon poster (promo poster), and a Live Noise poster (also a >promo poster). The Live Noise posters may be still >available from MFHQ or Tobey at the Merch table. As for >getting the other 2, I dunno. I got my Moon poster from >someone I knew who >promoted a show and got the promo kit. I got my Wood poster >in a trade for the Indie Tape. The only place I've seen >Wood posters available are as raffle prizes at Frucon. roB! >won a great mounted Wood poster at Frucon I and a couple >others got ones from Frucon II. > So what you are saying is that my Wood Poster that I took from the venue I saw Fruvous play during the Wood tour is worth as much as an Indie tape and, in fact, this poster is worth $180, since the tape sold on Ebay for that much? Yowza, I could be in the money! ;) - -Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:46:01 -0400 From: "Ken Perschke" Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs > One of the free temperment tests can be found at http://keirsey.com/ sounds > like we're almost all something NF something. This is what they say about NF > people: Interesing that we're all NF (I'm with Chad- very INFP)... espically because it says on this same site that NF's are only 8-10% of the population. Yay for us! Ken ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 1999 19:47:01 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (star shaped) Subject: Re: a tangle of questions >I have 3 Moxy Fruvous posters framed on my wall in my bedroom. There exists >a Wood poster, You Will Go to the Moon poster (promo poster), and a >Live Noise poster (also a promo poster). >As for getting the >other 2, I dunno. I got my Moon poster from someone I knew who promoted >a >show and got the promo kit. I got my Wood poster in a trade for the >Indie Tape. The only place I've seen Wood posters available are as >raffle prizes at Frucon. i got my ywgttm poster at a used cd store (the guy had one up on the wall, and i asked if he had any more. he did :)), and my little sister found the wood poster in a free poster bin at another used cd store. sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "where do the days go in the summer? time is a selfish thing to keep; still I want it, yeah I want it, when I'm drifting off to sleep" ~the flashing lights ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:38:13 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Those Who Like Fruvous, Those Who Don't Melanie wrote: > Um, could you define geek? Mike Ford is quoted in an article in the Ann Arbor > paper, June 10 (It's on FDC) as saying of Fruvous fans: "And they're a bunch > of geeks, just like we are. And we like that." > > So, I guess that's supposed to be good, right? of course! well... it's good to be a self-proclaimed geek, or to be acknowledged as a geek by fellow geeks. It's when the non-geeks start throwing the term around without realizing what it really means that the trouble begins, because to many non-geeks, the word "geek" is in all ways equivalent to both "nerd" and "dork." True, most geeks have some "unusual" or "odd" interest. I put these in quotes because they're only unusual or odd if you believe there is something that is usual or normal, which most geeks don't. The thing that really defines geekiness is that whatever geeks do, even if it's not totally accepted by the general public, they take pride in it. The other thing that makes a geek is self-recognition. People who don't want to be geeks don't have to be (but they're missing a lot :) - -- Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:11:00 GMT From: ebwagner@mailbox.syr.edu (Eilis The Great) Subject: Ebay email got a nasty email from our indie cassette friend. Apparently I pissed him off when I gave him a bad review on ebay. oops. Eilis "she loves attention....she CRAVES attention" ~Moxy Fruvous http://web.syr.edu/~ebwagner *a little slice of heaven* ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:27:35 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Those Who Like Fruvous, Those Who Don't Lawrence P Solomon wrote: : True, most geeks have some "unusual" or "odd" interest. I put these in quotes That's the defination I found on Dictionary.com, however the one on Webster's site (and the one I've always heard) is: 1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake 2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disapproved of Well, definition number 1 is definately unusual or odd, I don't know how many of us would proudly admit to that!!! :) Sara _______ The secret of life: breathe in, breathe out, repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:15:52 GMT From: drea1@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Fruhead common interests > Now these are all things I'm heavily into, my question is what have > other people noticed that fruheads tend to like? Monty Python (especially Holy Grail and Meaning of Life) Red Dwarf EFO playing instruments sports team rivalries (see also: this past hockey season *g*) the Nields Drea "Your perfect job is chartered accountant." "But I *am* a chartered accountant! It's dull, dreadfully dull, deadly dull, dull, dull!" "The personality profile says that you are dull, dreary company, timid, easily dominated, inutterably repressed... In any other profession these would be serious handicaps but in chartered accounting they're invaluable assets!" -- Monty Python Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:38:46 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: a tangle of questions timiny wrote: > So what you are saying is that my Wood Poster that I took > from the venue I saw Fruvous play during the Wood tour is > worth as much as an Indie tape and, in fact, this poster is > worth $180, since the tape sold on Ebay for that much? Nope. I'm saying that I wanted a Wood poster much more than I wanted an original copy of a tape cassette I'd never open that I already had on CD. Fortunately for me another kind, loving, nice person wanted an Indie tape more than the Wood poster she won at Frucon. And even though she likes the Flyers, I traded. What a nice guy I am. And all that after trading her my front row NKU seat for her balcony one. She better not think I like the Flyers... Well, I am saying they are worth the same. I probably wouldn't pay more than $20 for either of them myself *grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 1999 21:52:09 GMT From: jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure) Subject: Re: Ebay email Eilis The Great (ebwagner@mailbox.syr.edu) wrote: : got a nasty email from our indie cassette friend. Apparently I pissed him : off when I gave him a bad review on ebay. Hmm I tried that too and it wouldn't let me without bidding on the item first. jordan - -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:10:04 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: I Have a Vision Fiona wrote: > (Personally.. [puts on flameproof suit] I've always > theorised that Wood was a deliberate "go away" reaction to the > popularity they got through the indie tape and Bargainville. I can see > them doing it again if they feel the need.) > Oh, absolutely. I totally agree. And if the CD didn't do it-- the videos certainly would! :) I mean, I can also see that perhaps our fru-four wanted to expose all of those die-hard Bargainville fans to a higher art form. :) Perhaps. I think something that a lot of folks are forgetting about Fruvous is they've *had* the shoot to the top of the charts/video glory *already*. Just not in the US. I think if they're going after it again... which, unless someone actually gets a straight answer out of any of them, is merely a matter of opinion... they know what they're getting into, how to get it, and will do it on their own terms. I think this band knows very well what it wants. ciao, donna - --Welcome Back, Falcon Ridgers! You were missed! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:13:51 GMT From: Limegem@aol.com Subject: my MB thinger i just took the test and i got INFP although im not quite sure what this means. also could someone post a list of everyone's so far--i (stupidly) deleted everything in my mailbox. thanks!!! - -megan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:27:01 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs Fiona wrote:ENFP 2 > INFP 2 > ISTP/J 1 (interesting chad) > ESFJ 1 > INFJ 1 I'm another INFJ-- Idealists, unite! ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 1999 22:22:20 GMT From: BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) Subject: Re: Live Noise WORKS!! I would like to say that i saw old 97s and indigenous. Man, they sucked. My dad was with me, and he agreed, and as we left he commented on the audience, saying there were a lot of hippie wannabes. I said i noticed more hillbilly wannabes... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:31:16 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs Donna Hunt wrote: > I'm another INFJ-- Idealists, unite! > I'm a dork, too-- I'm actually an INF*P*... am I the first Newsgrouper to actually quote themselves?? I need a nap, ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 1999 22:19:41 GMT From: BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) Subject: Re: daddy's "these guys" comments In computer class we did a database on fave songs and all the info about it... I put down michigan militia... I was ribbed for it for a while, but it seemed that some were interested. Of course, in my computer class we can listen to CD's that we bring, but YWGTTM and LN both have some profanity on 'em, which screwed that. Brian lalalalala. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:48:52 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: King of Spain thanx a bunch! #2 was right. I think maybe i'll make a mix tape starting with KoS, to make them happy, and then moving on in the order you suggested. kind of like a twelve step program. They just won't listen to anything else. ack! - -mm- P.S. unlike you lucky folks, i don't have the indie tape and have only heard GE&H once. :sniff: I don't see any way to remedy the situation, either. :hint hint: ok, the whining is done > If 2): > Work them off King of Spain with Green Eggs and Ham and Kick in the > Ass. Start working towards non-acapella wacky songs like BJ and > Darlington Darling. Then eventually get them into all of Bargainville > and go from there. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:24:07 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: Those Who Like Fruvous, Those Who Don't In article <379E0AA5.6BF1AB3B@tmbg.org>, zaph@tmbg.org says... > It's when the non-geeks start > throwing the term around without realizing what it really means that the > trouble begins, because to many non-geeks, the word "geek" is in all ways > equivalent to both "nerd" and "dork." Hey, as a dork, I resent your equating me with a nerd. :) k@ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:22:32 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs I've taken this test several times over the last several years, and I can never remember how I scored! I really am a lot like the NF's described by Nancy, but the computer scored me as an ESFJ. The interesting thing to me, however, is that I'm a strong E, my S/N is 50/50, my F is strong, and my J/P is 50/50. I know this is a different score than any I've had before, because I haven't been so even in the categories before! Hmmm...makes me wonder what is going on. I'm sure I'm doing some transitioning in those areas which is probably consistent with some recent major life changes. I think these things are interesting in learning about ourselves and using the results to do some introspection. I used to look at them as kind of a "game", but I've found other personality inventories to be quite accurate and useful in management. (I'm not trying to scare any of you "young'uns" out there, but managers and supervisors find it helpful to work with people differently according to their personality types. It helps, for instance, to know what motivates different people to do a good job or to know how to interact with them appropriately when doing a performance evaluation or providing some "constructive criticism!") Lois--one of the old fogies on this ng ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #627 ********************************************