From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #620 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, July 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 620 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Something Amazing ["Cara (Laika) Kozack" ] Gourmet Coffee Online 88660 [mriely@cstp.umkc.edu] Re: "Moxy" [Melanie ] Moxy & Muppets [Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: LN (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry] Re: Boo Time question [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry)] Re: "Moxy" ["Leah Bender" ] Moxy Grad School Search. ["Shannon R. Miller" ] Re: "Moxy" [David G Garcia ] muppets ["Tim Deegan" ] hey Fiona! ["Tim Deegan" ] Re: muppets [Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: daddy's "these guys" comments ["Cara (Laika) Kozack" ] Re: FRFF: An unfourtnate early review [scoper@netcom.com (Scott Perschke)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:48:55 GMT From: "Cara (Laika) Kozack" Subject: Re: Something Amazing I wish I could remember it but I can't. I don't even remember one of the last names. I was on a tight schedual so I couldn't write it down...If our library was computerized I could probably find it like *that*. But our school board is too cheap to put any money in the library so I would have to go through 5,000 some cards. Snow In Summer wrote in message <19990723225436.18168.00000468@ng-fn1.aol.com>... >Laika's revelation: >>Yesterday I was working in the local library, sorting cards, and then I came >>up with a book that had the author's first names of Jian, Mike, Murray, and >>Dave. > >what's the name of this book?? i'd like to see it. > >-Amy > >*obligatory .sig* >Snow In Summer mka Amy Brunner >"You forget that I don't care." > -- Doug Sheppard in #mf, 21/7/99 > >I couldn't have said it better, Doug. ------------------------------ Date: Saturday, 24 Jul 1999 04:48:38 -0600 From: mriely@cstp.umkc.edu Subject: Gourmet Coffee Online 88660 Sorry if this doesn't apply to this newsgroup, but check out www.zbestcoffee.com for fresh coffee. You know, Folgers makes coffee, but we heard it sucks. M9 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:12:57 GMT From: Melanie Subject: Re: "Moxy" mm wrote: >The definition for "Fruvous" is in the Bargainville liners, but what does >"Moxy" mean? as in "stuffs his letters full of moxy!" Yep, as someone already wrote "moxie" means courage. But whenever I've heard it used, it seems to imply courage combined with cleverness and chutzpah. It was also the name of a very strange soft drink bottled this century, which may no longer exist. Don't ask me what it tasted like--it didn't taste LIKE ANYTHING. It was totally unique. Remind you of anyone? melanie ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 1999 14:29:39 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Moxy & Muppets Just came back from seeing Muppets from Space, and while there were no "Moxy" references, there was a funny "moxie" reference that made me laugh given the current defintion thread, so I had to share: **THIS IS NOT A SPOILER, BUT I LEAVE SPACE FOR THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A MOVIE IN ADVANCE** **NON SPOILER SPACE** Rizzo parts from a group of rats in order to find Gonzo. As they are parting, one rat says "Wow, that guy's got moxie". Then the camera follows Rizzo, but in the background, you hear another rat going "What's moxie?" That just cracked me up! I'm sure there was no one else laughing over that line (at least not for the same reason), but I thought it was hilarious and just had to share! Sara _______ The secret of life: breathe in, breathe out, repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:02:27 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: LN (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:23:19 GMT, Raenfaerie@aol.com wrote: >you're not alone. it's kind of pathetic jamming, especially compared to the >(slightly) better Good Date Band (?). >-mm- >"did somebody get i think somebody got it" > That one is hilarious, cos I was listening to that kind of music (or similar at least) just before I got LN! Ross, who'll listen to anything It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:02:27 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Boo Time question On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:20:31 GMT, navratil@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu (Joe Navratil) wrote: >Alan Sigman wrote: >> >>"I hear a hoot owl, ???????? , >> Mario Lemieux throwin' in the towel" >> > >Lord Baden-Powell, the founder of Boy Scouts or something like that. >Someone more knowledgeable on the subject is sure to correct me :-) > > -Joe > Author of the rather suspect book, "Scouting For Boys"! Before any Cubs/Scouts/Ventures/whatever start laying into me, I've been a member of the Scouting movement from Beavers and I've been a leader for the last 18 months. Ross, dousing the flames. It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:54:05 GMT From: "Leah Bender" Subject: Re: "Moxy" >Yep, as someone already wrote "moxie" means courage. I don't know if this is related in any way, but I seem to remember something I had read somewhere about a Paiute word, "moxoam", which means "spirit"... - -Bender (I'm great at halfway-irrelevant posts, huh?) - ------------------------------------------------------------ * http://www.bombdiggity.com/ * Yeah, baby, YEAH! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:58:21 -0500 From: "Shannon R. Miller" Subject: Moxy Grad School Search. Hi. Im looking for a Graduate Program that offers and MFA in theatre, lighting design or technical direction. While there are many things to consider, One is does Moxy play the area? Can anyone recommend a new home for me? Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:57:25 -0400 From: David G Garcia Subject: Re: "Moxy" Melanie wrote: > Yep, as someone already wrote "moxie" means courage. But whenever I've heard it used, it seems to imply courage combined with cleverness and chutzpah. It was also the name of a very strange soft drink bottled this century, which may no longer exist. Don't ask me what it tasted like--it didn't taste LIKE > ANYTHING. It was totally unique. Remind you of anyone? Boy, is ~that~ a straight line waiting to happen ;-) "Don't ask me, I haven't tasted... (write your own joke here)" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:38:56 -0400 From: "Tim Deegan" Subject: muppets hey Sara...i posted just about the same thing earlier! :) my fruhead friend and i saw it together, and we were just like, "whoa." :) just thought i'd give my 2 cents. Maggie *****Maggie finally has a quote!!!***** "Befriend the puffins...before the puffins attack!" -- Jian (WBER interview) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:41:52 -0400 From: "Tim Deegan" Subject: hey Fiona! :) i was listening to a taped interview the frulads did last november at WBER, and they were asking for people to e-mail from far away places....and you e-mailed them and they said hi to all the people from the #IRC thingy. i just thought i'd tell you that i recognized your name. so...yeah, that's all i've got to say. "Befriend the puffins...before the puffins attack!" -- Jian ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 1999 22:15:57 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: muppets Tim Deegan wrote: : hey Sara...i posted just about the same thing earlier! :) my fruhead : friend and i saw it together, and we were just like, "whoa." :) just : thought i'd give my 2 cents. Maggie Oooops...didn't mean to repeat you...sorry abuot that...my newsfeed is screwy and I seem to miss a lot of messages (it seems that I often get the followup messages, but never the original post). Speaking of poor newsfeeds, I'm going to be losing access to this one in a couple months. Can anyone recommened the best way to keep in touch with the NG? I checked out Deja News and it seems cluttered and confusing. I'm sort of scared of the mail gateway, because I don't really want to download 100's of messages everyday. How do people read the NG usually? Sara _______ The secret of life: breathe in, breathe out, repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:35:50 GMT From: "Cara (Laika) Kozack" Subject: Re: daddy's "these guys" comments #3 is the opinion of my class when I played it in Art because no one else had anything. I had it on random and KoS showed up and the exact question was "Are these Jamacian guys on weed?" I found it funny that they would call them from Jamacia especially since the cover has that little maple leaf on it and represents so much Canadian stuff. Mind you my class *never* listens to anything that isn't in the top 20, even though I told them that Bville went gold at least and LN was voted # 7 or 9 from CD NOW. The only song they liked was Spidey, kindof. But they intereupted MBLABOA to skip to it. I was so upset you can tell the exact moment in my drawing when they switched it. It's not likely that I can convert any one in my school to Fruvous. The girls won't because they judge music groups in a very narrow range of looks, and the guys won't because Früvous is "too mild for them" (right). But I didn't get to play the Grunge of Spain, or Psycho Killer, had to skip through LHP, Naked Puppets, and Kasperov vs. Deep Blue, and they never listened to Michigan Militia. Oh well, but I think my brother might begin to like fruvous. I caught him singing along to KoS just 5 minutes ago. The brainwashing is working!!!!!(JK) FruKid wrote in message <7msj05$2a8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >maryam wrote: >> 3. And after hearing Kasparov vs. Deep Blue, he announced that "these >guys >> are stoned all the time." >> >> What does everyone think? (i.e., is #3 true?) >my dad agrees with #2.. as for #3, I think they're just crazy most of >the time =).. > FruKid > Like I Would Know > >-- >"..Dijon.." -- Teresa, the MustardGirl >'Life's been good to me so far...' >"i am the slowest of the slower than the slow!!! >.....hmm, why am I taking pride in this?" -- maria > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:31:02 -0400 From: "Ken Perschke" Subject: FRFF: An unfourtnate early review Hi to all non-FRFF people! I don't normally do reviews, but I feel that this situation warrants one. Not a review of the performance (later in the post), but why I'm back so early. I would have stayed if I could, but being not quite old enough to drive, I'm at the mercy of parents, so here I am. We went up Thursday evening and had a decent time. Friday was the real problem. As it turned out, it didn't rain, but the heat and the humidity + no shade meant that it was almost totally unbearable unless you were really into the music (even then, it was a big downside). That wasn't really the main problem, though. Without anything else, we could have dealt with it. The problem was that it was *crowded*, way past what the grounds could comfortably hold. We tried camping, which, of itself, wasn't bad at all. The problem was, that by Friday night, there were many tents packed into the grounds where we were, and they didn't seem to have any interest in the festival. They stayed at the campground, partied until about 4 am, and had their own stereo on loud enough that it drowned out the music which was otherwise pretty clear, even that far away. This is what did it. We just couldn't deal with that (not getting any sleep due to noise and crowd), and decided today (Saturday), to stay for the first Fruvous workshop and then head home. There were just too many people, probably due to Ani. Two years ago, about ten thousand people fit comfortably and a great time was had by all. This year, they were expecting about 28,000, and the grounds just aren't big enough to hold that much. Anyway, for the review.... First of all, I had a fabulous time Thursday night! I wandered up the hill, found camp Fruvous (only Lori and Steve's tent, then), only to find nobody there. Eventually, Gordon showed up, and we chatted for probably about an hour before more came. At that point, Lori and Steve returned, with Anna and Mindy. So, we sat in the dark, enjoyed the company, made fun of the drummers in the tent right by us, who played the same beat over and over and over and over and... (you get the point). Highlight included a rousing version of the Drinking Song, with me on Anna's guitar (thanks!!!). Anyway, I want to apologize to all those people, Gordon, Lori, Steve, Anna, Mindy, those who showed up Friday afternoon, Jason, ChrisO, Chad (big C). I really wish I could have been there for two more nights which promised to be a blast! Friday, the festival started at 12 pm, with the new artist showcase. Nothing special to report, mostly because we went to the state park for a swim! Anyway, got back around 5:30, just in time to catch the Vance Gilbert "performance skills critique". For this, he had a bunch of people in the audience come up on stage to perform (they wanted to), and then made a bunch of comments on how it could be better. This man is hysterical! I kind of feel bad for people up on stage, but they seemed to enjoy Vance making fun of them as much as we did! After that, we went over to the mainstage for EFO. I'm not very familiar with them, but they were great!! A lot of fun, and all excellent musicians, especially the percussionist (who played an extended solo pounding on a guitar). When they finished, the Kennedys came up and rocked the hill! Both great guitarists, with a fun, unique style. Unfortunately, this was around when the craziness started, and we missed the Nields and the much anticipated song swap. The only thing we really got to see Saturday before packing up was the first Fruvous workshop, but it was well worth staying for! There were rather a lot of artist at this one, so Fruvous only got two songs (some only got one), and they started out with Boss. Not anything particularly special, but still great! When they came up the second time, however, we were in for something special!!! They started out with what we all assumed to be banter about the tents and how they were dangerous, and started singing. Once I saw that they were singing in harmony, I realized that this was a pre-written song! It was a very funny song about how the tents were eating people, and managed to name all the other performers at the festival (they all get eaten), except for them. Fruvous teamed up with the tents to avoid being eaten. Great song! Chorus was something like: "The tents are marching down the hill / You thought they were inanimate but now they're set to kill / At Falconridge this summer, we've enraged the Falcon gods / The tents are creepy-crawly body snatching pods." Anyway, I really enjoyed what I saw, and was looking forward to a lot more, but it was just too nuts. Hope all you FRFF people have a better experience that I do. Prove me wrong, and get me to try again next year!! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:48:32 GMT From: scoper@netcom.com (Scott Perschke) Subject: Re: FRFF: An unfourtnate early review On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:31:02 -0400, "Ken Perschke" wrote: >but why I'm back so early. I would have stayed if I could, but being not >quite old enough to drive, I'm at the mercy of parents, so here I am. As one of the parents he's "at the mercy of", I may as well add my ..02.... >We went up Thursday evening and had a decent time. Friday was the real >problem. As it turned out, it didn't rain, but the heat and the humidity + >no shade meant that it was almost totally unbearable unless you were really >into the music (even then, it was a big downside). I *was* really into the music, but as I said to Mike after the workshop, I'm admittedly an old fart, and as I get older (44 now) I find myself less and less tolerant of anything less than ideal circumstances. >The problem was that it was *crowded*, way past what the grounds could >comfortably hold. We tried camping, which, of itself, wasn't bad at all. The >problem was, that by Friday night, there were many tents packed into the >grounds where we were, and they didn't seem to have any interest in the >festival. They stayed at the campground, partied until about 4 am, and had >their own stereo on loud enough that it drowned out the music which was >otherwise pretty clear, even that far away. This is what did it. No argument there... the moron factor for this weekend was WAY beyond what I would have expected based on my prior experience at FRFF, in '97 - everyone then was so friendly and accomodating, I was totally shocked that anyone would do this, in what should have been the "quiet" camping area. > There were just too many people, probably due to Ani. Two years >ago, about ten thousand people fit comfortably and a great time was had by >all. This year, they were expecting about 28,000, and the grounds just >aren't big enough to hold that much. Well, I feel a little bad about blaming Ani for this - working musicians need all the support they can get. It really comes down to the festival organizers, and what I can only assume was greed. They booked a big-name (relatively) artist, and started seeing dollar signs as ticket sales were 60% greater (as I was told) of prior years totals. It comes down to expectations, I suppose - I was expecting a weekend of great music, in a very mellow, friendly atmosphere. As the grounds became more and more crowded, I witnessed several instances where people were openly arguing over available camping space. Every time an extra inch of space became available (for example, if a parked car was moved) someone pitched a tent on it. Again, blame it on overbooking of camping space, combined with their unwillingness to close off an area once the population density became too much. >Anyway, for the review.... First of all, I had a fabulous time Thursday >night! That figures - Ken has a great time without me! Why complicate your life with parents in the first place . I could have accompanied him, I suppose, but that hill is just too damn high for me. > Anyway, I want to apologize to all those people ...... The apology should come from me - I put an end to our misery - my decision, not his. > much music-review stuff deleted < I agree completely with Ken's assessment of the music we did manage to see - not a bad performance in the lot. I'd even add that the Nields (who I've seen several times and never really *got*) really rocked the mainstage Friday night - we were in the middle of the camping craziness and not at the stage, but their show could be clearly heard, and the crowd loved it. > Prove me wrong, and get me to try again next year!! Perhaps - I'm hoping that our experience this year was the exception rather than the rule - better weather and fewer morons would have made for a much different weekend, and we'd still be there rather than taking up 2 long posts worth of bandwidth bitching about it. See you down the road.... Scott ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #620 ********************************************