From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #618 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, July 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 618 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT: Its a Different World... [cookie ] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: OT: It's a Different World [McCown ] MASS E-MAILING DOES WORK$$$$$$$$$$$$$ [tbIua6Urn@net-lynx.com] Re: fruvous on WPST (97.5)? [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin)] solo songs/c album (was Re: "bla" songs ... etc.) [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [wahrend@my-deja.com] Re: Boo Time question [navratil@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu (Joe Navratil)] Boo Time question [Alan Sigman ] Ride needed Sunday from FRFF to Hartford [dalevy@aol.com (DALevy)] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [Tim Cain ] Re: Totally Not Anything to do with Moxy [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross H] Re: fruvous as a species [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry)] Re: LN (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry] singing during the shows ["Tim Deegan" ] RE: OT: Its a Different World... ["Vokes, Laurie" ] Re: New Graphic On FDC! [FruKid ] King of Spain [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Re: LN (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) [Raenfaerie@aol.com] Re: OT: Its a Different World... ["VINCENT G. CICILLINI" ] kitten name [Anna Desarno ] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [Donna Hunt ] Re: kitten name [Lawrence P Solomon ] That Song Jian Wrote ["Jennifer Schlosser" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:16:25 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... Josh Woodward wrote: > Typically there's no problem with Fruheads and this. I tend to be in > the middle/back of a venue and haven't had many problems with Fruheads > singing (non-Fruheads talking on the other hand..) I agree. I've never been bothered by people singing. TALKING during a quiet song... yes. But I've never noticed anyone singing along loudly--at least so far. > About the *worst* > thing I've seen was not Fruvous at all -- it was the co-billed Martin > Sexton and Fruvous show in Milwaukee a couple months back. There were > a group of 5 or 6 female Sexton fans who stood up front in this silent > venue and sang VERY loudly along with most of the set. Not only that, > but Martin is a very improvisational player -- during the improvs they > would sing pseudo-scat (loudly still) while he was trying to play. > These people were obviously big fans of his, since they knew even the > more obscure songs. But, I left the venue with a terrible impression > of his fans because of a few who went way overboard. HEY! We're not all obnoxious! Some of us just really enjoy bathing in his voice. I have to admit the scenario you described sounds like it was really annoying first hand, but second hand it sounds pretty funny. (Did they yodel, too? snicker.) Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:24:56 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... Angie delighted us with: >So, I now feel compelled to present the same question to you as a >representative FruFan body... what are your opinions on fans singing along >with the band during concerts? I've been guilty for singing along all-too-loudly at concerts myself, so I'm not one to talk (though I've tried to just mouth it lately). But I do appreciate being able to listen to Fruvous, and not ten of their most devout fans all around me, sing during a concert. Others have already said that mouthing, or singing along quietly (on the loud songs) works, and that seems the best option to me. One thing that became evident to me after I stopped trying to sing (AND hear myself - now there's a mistake) at Frushows is that when I don't sing I can hear their harmonies, the instruments and what they do differently with each during a particular show. It gave me a better overall appreciation of the band's live sound and how versatile it is. And, I'm sure, it had something to do with people not giving me evil glances nearly as much anymore. :D As for singing along loudly near tapers - I agree with Josh, that's just inconsiderate. At most concerts I've been to, almost all the tapers gather in one part of the venue and try to patch into the others' mics. At the end of their setting-up process, it's a jumble of wires, DAT recorders and Jason's mics. :) If you really really feel like singing along loudly, there's the whole rest of the venue to explore, and there's absolutely no need to sing (or even talk) loudly right near the mics. >--Angie >cowering in a corner, licking her wounds Really? I didn't think the people on the SW list were harsh at all... they just responded to an inquiry, voicing their opinions. Don't be afraid of the Susan Werner list, they're really nice people for the most part! Just like people here are really nice for the most part. ;) - -v Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "What happened to the times when you knew everything [tour-dates-related] by heart?" - "I got a life." -from a conversation with a webmaster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:41:35 GMT From: McCown Subject: Re: OT: It's a Different World Angie asked: <> i'm speaking only for myself here, but *i* certainly can't say i mind, because i do it myself (in fact, i tend to sing along with the music in other people's cars by accident a lot, which i should probably be more aware of...). with früvous, i sort of always had the impression that we were supposed to sing along if we felt like it. or at least i always feel encouraged, because of the call-and-response songs like "minnie" and "boo-time", and when jian swings his mic out into the audience during "horseshoes" and "the drinking song." früvous...and great big sea, too. i think you're definitely supposed to sing along with them :) love lizzie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:42:46 GMT From: tbIua6Urn@net-lynx.com Subject: MASS E-MAILING DOES WORK$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This is Cybernet Enterprise and we are sending you this e-mail to let you in on some of the best prices in Bulk E-Mailing. If you are interested in more information . Just call anytime 209-699-3628 or voice mail 209-548-2585 or e-mail cybernet2@china.com Prices: $200.00 For 1 Million E-Mails Sent. $400.00 For 3 Million E-Mails Sent. $600.00 For 5 Million E-Mails Sent. $800.00 For 7 Million E-Mails Sent. $1000.00 For 10 Million E-Mails Sent. We also have target lists..Just call and ask! P.S. I am able to send you proof of your mailings. I will send you via e-mail, uploaded mail-log files of the actual sendings so you can know first-hand exactly what i'm doing for you. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:30:01 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: fruvous on WPST (97.5)? jen defended the late somewhat-lamented MAX: >I doubt it. They often played things that PST would never touch (or >wouldn't touch til several months after MAX already had it...and by the >time PST picked it up, MAX had moved onto somehitng else. It was a good >system ;-)I suspect that was part of their downfall, but they went >beyond traditional, bubble gum top 40. More than I can say for PST. MAX *did* play Früvous, as of last summer. At least Michy and Fly. I used to listen when I was in their rather odd little range of south/central Jersey between say Princeton and Mullica Hill. - -- Lori, radio-dial-twiddler extraordinaire. (Can't find a damn thing worth listening to in Poughkeepsie though.) ****************** On the radio I love the music On the ray-ay-ay-dio. ~~Cheap Trick and may I ask *who* does that wonderful cover of "I Want You To Want Me" that they keep playing on 'XPN? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:45:04 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: solo songs/c album (was Re: "bla" songs ... etc.) Yup. On a related note, I was pondering that whole solo album/c album thingie this morning, and thought that it might split the group up in a negative way, both musically and physically (i.e., a breakup :gasp:) It could draw attention away from the whole idea of "moxy fruvous" and introduce :second gasp: egotism and self-centeredness among formerly moral and upright performers - that kind of thing tends to happen and cause friction. so that's my 2 cents. - -mmm- oops > The solo songs are okay but I feel that it kind of ruins the experience of listening to > Moxy when I break it down into the parts and try to pick a favorite. > > BTW I almost dislike those solo songs after a few listening and I have > occastionally skipped listening to some of them, but I won't say which ones. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:04:06 GMT From: wahrend@my-deja.com Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... Time for my non-sarcastic two cents on the subject (yes I can be serious, just not often otherwise my head falls off and I have to spend hours reapplying the fixadent which holds in on). I sing at shows. I admit it and I like doing so. But as a general rule, if I can hear myself over the band (well.. this is depending on how close I am to the stage) that is a bad thing. I know I don't sing off key (well not often) but there is something to be said for going to a show and hearing the band sing the songs. I have been to too many concerts with rude drunk "fans" and people who sing super loudly way off key to know that such distractions can ruin a concert. Like the other night, I went to see the flaming lips and there were two guys (who were the biggest guys I've seen in awhile) in the front row of the balcony blocking everyone's view. *ugh* I think it is a good sign that you are concerned about the people around you and I think that makes a big difference. If everyone around you is singing... might as well go with the flow (or if the band invites you to sing the song or chorus, go for it). Otherwise, just be conscious of those around you, which I am sure that I don't have to ask anyone on here since everyone seems to be very keen on their experience and creating an environment where everyone can enjoy the band as much as they do. And I am rambling..... so to sum up. Sing, have fun, just be sure you're not the person that people are going to point to later and refer to as "the loud off key person in the third row I heard more of than the band". "wild" Bill (see that was almost serious... *pop* dammit!) - ---- I won't drive around an entire great lake for you -- hKate Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:20:31 GMT From: navratil@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu (Joe Navratil) Subject: Re: Boo Time question Alan Sigman wrote: > >"I hear a hoot owl, ???????? , > Mario Lemieux throwin' in the towel" > Lord Baden-Powell, the founder of Boy Scouts or something like that. Someone more knowledgeable on the subject is sure to correct me :-) -Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:16:34 GMT From: Alan Sigman Subject: Boo Time question Does anyone know what the lyric is at the beginning of the song? I can't decipher the part right between: "I hear a hoot owl, ???????? , Mario Lemieux throwin' in the towel" Ok, I know the Mario line is not on either of the recorded versions, but it seems to be a permanent addition to every live version I've heard since Mario Lemieux retired. I love that line, but it's really outdated now that Mario is in the process of becoming the owner of the Pittsburgh Penguins. Now Mario is saving the team from throwing in the towel! -Alan ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 1999 17:51:13 GMT From: dalevy@aol.com (DALevy) Subject: Ride needed Sunday from FRFF to Hartford Any responsible drivers out there who could get me from Falcon Ridge to Hartford airport by 7:50pm Sunday? I believe its about a 90-minute drive without any traffic? Thanks. I'll check e-mail as late as Friday noon. DALevy(at)AOL(dot)com. Thanks DL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:31:13 GMT From: Tim Cain Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... Yeah, it was nice of them to move to the back -- except for those of us who WERE at the back. When they started singing "Gypsy Woman" during the opening to "Fly," the FruVirgin I'd brought was ready to hurl a beer bottle at them. But then they left. - --tc > > About the *worst* > > thing I've seen was not Fruvous at all -- it was the co-billed Martin > > Sexton and Fruvous show in Milwaukee a couple months back. There were > > a group of 5 or 6 female Sexton fans who stood up front in this silent > > venue and sang VERY loudly along with most of the set. >What was odd to me was that for one or two songs the call & response worked well, but for other songs it was a detraction. It was nice of them to go back to the bar or leave when mf started, though.<< tcain1@webmart.net "That movie has warped my fragile little mind." -- Eric Cartman, "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:07:17 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Totally Not Anything to do with Moxy On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 02:18:46 GMT, "Cara (Laika) Kozack" wrote: > > William Shatner Doesn't he get his books written by a ghost writer though? I know that the TekWar ones were anyway. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:07:19 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: fruvous as a species On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:57:03 -0400, "Tim Deegan" wrote: >hey! i like it! that's really cool!!!! :) and i suggest you get yourself >a drivers' license mighty soon. byebye! Maggie > > Please quote in future, it makes it so much easier to understand what you're talking about. I'm not flaming or anything, just making an observation. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:07:18 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: LN (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:15:35 GMT, Raenfaerie@aol.com wrote: >Um. I'm going to venture a contradictory opinion here (nobody seems to agree >with me except Limegem). What's so wonderful about LN? I love the album, >but only after listening to it about five times. I would never give a >fruvirgin LN, because 1) they might be turned off by the expletives, 2) they >would never "get" the banter, and 3) they wouldn't understand Boo Time and >KoS Cranky Monarch b/c they'd never heard the original versions. The CD can >be quite a mouthful/earful, whatever, and I'd be afraid to scare the >fruvirgin. >Sorry to initiate conflict. Back me up, Meg. >-mm- > I played MF in school a few times and usually got dirty looks and told to switch it off. However, when I lent my mate Russell a boot that I have he loved it. I really think that live albums suffer from being spliced together from several shows, using one show would be so much better. Just listen to the Pearl Jam live album, it holds together so much better than LN I think. I know that Live on Two Legs is almost definetely several different shows but it's mixed together as if it's one and so holds the attention better. The fade outs between songs and snippets of banter don't help, am I the only one who doesn't think LHP is that funny? As opposed to the line "Is Barney naked? Is nothing sacred?" Just tossing in my tuppence there. Ross "It's a deal, it's a steal, it's the sale of the f*cking century! In fact, I think I'll keep it.", Tom - - Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:00:42 -0400 From: "Tim Deegan" Subject: singing during the shows i ALWA YS sing during the shows. and my vocal talents are significantly _less_ than admirable. it makes the shows more enjoyable. i also tend to get great big smiles ('specially from Jian -- *g* i wonder why, i'm always either between stage Murray/stage Jian or Jian/Mike) from the guys. so...yeah. that's my opinion. sing yer heart out, hun! Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:12:08 GMT From: "Vokes, Laurie" Subject: RE: OT: Its a Different World... That weren't nearly as bad as that one "Fruvous Fan" who very loud but very excited to see them. I think her boyfriend made her leave half way through the show........ - -----Original Message----- From: Tim Cain [mailto:tcain1@webmart.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 1:31 PM To: ammf@fruvous.com Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... Yeah, it was nice of them to move to the back -- except for those of us who WERE at the back. When they started singing "Gypsy Woman" during the opening to "Fly," the FruVirgin I'd brought was ready to hurl a beer bottle at them. But then they left. - --tc > > About the *worst* > > thing I've seen was not Fruvous at all -- it was the co-billed Martin > > Sexton and Fruvous show in Milwaukee a couple months back. There were > > a group of 5 or 6 female Sexton fans who stood up front in this silent > > venue and sang VERY loudly along with most of the set. >What was odd to me was that for one or two songs the call & response worked well, but for other songs it was a detraction. It was nice of them to go back to the bar or leave when mf started, though.<< tcain1@webmart.net "That movie has warped my fragile little mind." -- Eric Cartman, "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:50:52 GMT From: Angie Subject: re: It's a Different World... Well, there were a few comments that I can't help but react by being a little defensive... but I understand where you're coming from and I'm quickly calmed. 1) I don't think I've _ever_ found myself next to taper. I've heard tapers "shush" people around them, and I've wandered elsewhere. 2) I usually find myself up front and surrounded by other sing-along fans, and strike up the chorus. 3) I generally will sing quieter during the slower/softer/quieter songs The main reason I never think I sing loud enough to distract is because, well... I'm singing along to guys! Even relatively high for them is low for me (I'm a 1st Soprano). Belting notes are my higher range... I don't have a lot of power behind my lower range so it doesn't seem that loud to me. Singing along is the way I enjoy the concerts. Its what helps me feel connected to the music and a part of something. Alright, if I'm singing along and it's too loud or its off-key or it's just plain bugging you... just give me a nudge and shush me. I'll try to stifle it. - --Angie in search of 20 Everlasting Gobstoppers... They say that the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions... well, at least it will be a smooth ride - --me ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:06:27 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Re: New Graphic On FDC! I think it's a funny picture of Murray... he looks like he's in a black-and-white menswear commercial, or colonge or something. Does anyone else here understand my idea? FruKid - -- "..Dijon.." -- Teresa, the MustardGirl "Hey, go talk to MustardMan!!" -- My Mom "i am the slowest of the slower than the slow!!! .....hmm, why am I taking pride in this?" -- maria Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:03:17 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: King of Spain How would you Peoples of More Experience suggest I convince two people that there's more to Fruvous than KoS? They're hardcore and won't accept anything else. I'm in despair ... i must show them the greatness that is Moxy! - -mm on a quest- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:23:19 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: LN (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) you're not alone. it's kind of pathetic jamming, especially compared to the (slightly) better Good Date Band (?). - -mm- "did somebody get i think somebody got it" << am I the only one who doesn't think LHP is that funny? >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:21:55 GMT From: "VINCENT G. CICILLINI" Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 wahrend@my-deja.com wrote: > I won't drive around an entire great lake for you -- hKate LOL! 8-D donna, thank you for driving joe and me around lake erie two weeks ago. the trip will always be a memrable one! have fun at frff! ciao--vc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:19:26 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: Boo Time question Absolutely correct. No need for more knowledgeable people, which I'm not. that just happens to be one of the factoids i was allotted. maybe Pete and Lord Baden-Powell have some long-lost connection... - -mm << Lord Baden-Powell, the founder of Boy Scouts or something like that. Someone more knowledgeable on the subject is sure to correct me :-) -Joe >> ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 1999 01:07:12 GMT From: dstbunnny@aol.com (DstBunnny) Subject: Re: New Graphic On FDC! FruKid wrote: >I think it's a funny picture of Murray... he looks like he's in a >black-and-white menswear commercial, or colonge or something. Does >anyone else here understand my idea? Hehe, I think I know what you mean... like one of those amusing Calvin Klein commercials where everyone's taking themselves way too seriously. Christine "Just be." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:09:33 GMT From: "lil' spence" Subject: Re:singing during the shows ive been to one show (dont worry, i plan to remedy that situation anytime within the next couple of months) and i sang to every song i knew...it just seemed right. alot of others were, and it seemed like the band enjoyed it. my singing isnt too great either...but i try. On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:00:42 -0400 Tim Deegan wrote: > i ALWA YS sing during the shows. and my vocal talents are significantly >_less_ than admirable. it makes the shows more enjoyable. i also tend to >get great big smiles ('specially from Jian -- *g* i wonder why, i'm always >either between stage Murray/stage Jian or Jian/Mike) from the guys. >so...yeah. that's my opinion. sing yer heart out, hun! Maggie > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:39:42 GMT From: Anna Desarno Subject: kitten name hello everybody = ) Though this really does'nt have much to do with Moxy Fruvous I was wondering if someone could help me? I have had this kitten for a week, ever since the owners left her behind (they moved) and I have been calling her Kitty. I decided to name her after my favourite band. Her name is Moxy. Does anyone else have a name that I could call her, or should I just call her Moxy. thanks : ) anna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:21:59 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... "VINCENT G. CICILLINI" wrote: > > I won't drive around an entire great lake for you -- hKate > > LOL! 8-D > donna, thank you for driving joe and me around lake erie two weeks > ago. the trip will always be a memrable one! have fun at frff! ciao--vc Yes, I guess the answer is that *I* would drive around an entire Great Lake. Even-not-so-great-lakes, I guess. :) ciao, donna (moping because she's stuck in Cleveland and not at FR) :( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:37:40 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: kitten name Anna Desarno wrote: > I have had this kitten for a week, ever since the owners left her behind > (they moved) and I have been calling her Kitty. I decided to name her > after my favourite band. Her name is Moxy. > Does anyone else have a name that I could call her, or should I just > call her Moxy. Fruvous? :) I've always had this idea to get 2 cats and call them Moxy and Fruvous. And Moxy is a perfect cat name - because it's almost always spoken, not written, people will think it's "moxie," which is a trait of all cats. :) - -- Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 03:49:16 GMT From: "Jennifer Schlosser" Subject: That Song Jian Wrote Howdy Fru-folks, A few weeks back there were a few posts regarding a song that Jian had written that wasn't on a MF CD, but on a CD of another band. And someone said they had the mp3, and someone else said they'd get it from them and let everyone know when it became available to the general fruvous public to satiate their fruvous-listening needs. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I have been drooling to hear this song since the first post came up... by any chance does anyone have this? Oh please please please.... Ferf (who sings along at concerts even when it's a new song and she doesn't know the words. and who also doesn't know why when she posts, a message in Polish appears at the bottom. it's my sig. yeah.) - ---------------------- [ REKLAMA / ADVERTISEMENT ] ------------------------ Zastanawiasz sie jak bezpiecznie i efektywnie ulokowac swoje oszczednosci? 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