From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #564 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, July 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 564 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: We are getting very picky these days. ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Review: Friendship Festival 7/3/99 [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (tracy ] Re: The AMMF Profile [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (tracy jacks)] Yay HMV! :) [drea1@my-deja.com] Re: the Question [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: the Question [ChinaCat ] Re: We are getting very picky these days. [Lynne ] Re: The AMMF Profile [Mjgreenb@aol.com] Re: female? voice [Chad Maloney ] Friendship Festival, slight review [Angie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 05:00:08 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: We are getting very picky these days. I wasn't really aware of many of the current heated discussions going on, but this thread caught my eye, so I went back and read some of it. Speaking as someone who has been here since 1995, I don't really see all that much difference between now and then. Sure there are a lot more people, and proportionally more arguments and off-topicality, but basically I think this NG remains a bastion of tolerant, creative, sensitive, intelligent people who mostly seem to care pretty well for one an other. Kellogg Patrick Layne wrote: > >As long as they don't degenerate into petty > >babbling I say let it continue, because as it is everyone seems to walk away > >ok, and still be friends... except for one or two small exceptions like > >Patrick (sorry to single you out, can't think of anyone else right now, I > >didn't get much sleep.). > > I feel singly singled out. Well you were there Patrick, but I don't think there was malicious intent. > I think the "peace and love" on the > board is a total sham. When approached with an idea that wasn't > related to Jian's body odor, I think a lot of people on this > board are very close-minded. Um, have you been reading all the replies that your (admittedly intentionally provocative) posts have generated? Most of them seem to me to be well thought-out rational responses to your points, not all of them even disagree with you, and even those which do often point out the legitimacy of what you are saying. There have really been relatively few "If you don't love moxy then get out" type posts, and these can pretty much be dismissed as the work of unthinking or the obsessed. So I really don't see why you think everyone here is closed minded. You didn't expect to put forth rather subjective criticisms of songs that Fruvous has worked very hard on without someone challenging you did you? Wasn't that the point of your posts in the first place? Aside from the few supporters of "Don't look too deeply" I fail to see much closed mindedness around here. As far as peace and love go: Have you ever spent much time on OTHER news groups? Relatively speaking we have a continuous free love orgy going on here! :) > I've posted (mostly) on topic. Yeah, my first few posts were rude. > I apologize(d) for that. I *still* have a problem with some of the > self-important fans that think they *own* the newsgroup and the band. This is a recurring criticism which when investigated doesn't hold all that much water. There is A BIT of over protectiveness of the band by some people from time to time, but I don't think it is that bad, and it is usually something that people get past after enough time here. > But I've never taken it personally. Or, I've tried not to. In return, > I've gotten *slammed* with insults. Peace and love and handbaskets, > yeah, right. You've drawn a few insults Patrick, many of them undeserved, I'll agree, but you also have had plenty of genuine cordial responses as well. You have been deliberately provocative--which is fine--but you can't then claim that you are being picked on when people respond. One shouldn't throw water balloons into a crowd and then be surprised when some people yell, even if the temp is 103 degrees. A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: 06 Jul 1999 05:43:57 GMT From: michykith@aol.com (Michykith) Subject: Re: PFF (was Mushy OT!!!!!) ><< Are the Fruvs back at Philly Pholk Phest this year? > That's the first place I ever had the great fortune to hear them. >> Ditto! 2 years ago, afternoon concert with Trout Fishing in America, changed my life :) I've been going to PFF since I was 7, which means this will by my 10th year. And seeing as most college move-in weekends are the last weekend in August, like PFF, this will probably be my last complete festival. So, for me, it's only fitting that Fruvous be there. I'm so excited! ~Joni * * * * "I always want to talk about nothing, it's the only thing I know anything about" oscar wilde~an ideal husband ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:56:02 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: The AMMF Profile so I probably shouldn't post this, for fear of wasting bandwidth, but I will anyway. :) CheesemonkeyGem wrote: > -----------------The AMMF Profile---------------------- > > Profile for: Lawrence P Solomon > Nickname/Alias//Secret Identity: zaph > Place you call home: Pittsburgh, PA > # of Frushows attended: 10 > > __Favs...______________________________________________ > > colour: blue > non-fru-bands: TMBG, cub, Weird Al, REM, Beatles, Violent Femmes, Blur, BNL > fru-songs: Fly, Misplaced, IWHO, Love Set Fire, Drinking, BJ, Down from Above > other song: End of the Tour (TMBG) > tv show: Ally McBeal > movies: Star Wars, Princess Bride, other sci-fi and comedy > actor: don't know > actress: too many to choose from > book: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy > sports team: Chicago Cubs (baseball) > food: steak, lightly seasoned, and barely cooked > drink: diet IBC root beer > alcoholic drink: none > candy: all of them > kind of cheese: Mr. Cheese :) ice cream flavour: mint chocolate chip > > __Stuffus...___________________________________________ > > Do you collect anything? What? coins, knick knacks, lint, dust, musical instruments, junk mail > Do you play an instrument? What? guitar, bass guitar, accordion, piano, other keyboards, voice, kazoo, MIDI sequencing on my computer (next to attempt to learn: harmonica, banjo) > Have you ever won anything? What? 4th grade "Reflections" contest. first prize in the music composition category. (I went back and played it again recently... and, well... it kind of sucks :) and my first t-ball team won first place, but I had very little part in that > Bad habits you will admit to: not on the newsgroup! :) > Can you stomach tofu? nope. > The Question: pepsi or coke? Coke. > Any brushes with fame? none at all. > Who/what do you feel is way too overrated? most modern pop/rock, excessive swearing in comedy, high school athletics > ...underrated? underground/cult bands, being nice to people, intelligence > Actor/actress you MOST feel should pack it in, spare > us the torture and never do another movie again: Leonardo DiCaprio > Obscure talent you have: perfect pitch > Obscure talent you wish you had: being able to whistle and hum at the same time, ability to speak in Perl. > __Complete these sentences...__________________________ > > All I really want is: to find someone willing to go out with me > All I really need is: a teleportation device so I can see more Frushows > I can't live without: music > I would REALLY rather live without: capitalism, Republicans > The sexiest man alive is: John Linnell > The sexiest woman alive is: I'm single, so... most of them :) > I'm ashamed to admit I used to like: the Beach Boys > I'm ashamed to admit I still like: Clinton as president > > __Preferences..._______________________________________ > > Coffee/tea (or me)- tea > Intense heat (ie, like NOW) or being too cold> too cold - It's Too Hot isn't a Fruvous song. :) > Adam Sandler/Denis Leary- ugh > Skeet Ulrich/Skeet shooting- huh? > Letterman/Leno- Leno > Going to a movie/renting one- Going > Pie/cake- yum > Toaster Strudel/Pop Tarts- neither > Britney Spears/kick in the head- kick her in the head? certainly... > __Would You Ever...____________________________________ > > ... randomly kiss someone for 50 bucks? no > ...shave your head for 500 bucks? no, I like my hair the way it is > ...sign up to be a guinea pig for medical testing for > $4000? (you can actually get this done, and these two > guys I know are considering it) depends on the testing > ...flash someone on a dare? nope (I keep reading that as "flash someone on a date" in which case *absolutely* not :) > ...blackmail someone? not likely > ...get up and sing in front of 1000 people? yup, as long as I could play my accordion for them, too > ...bungee jump? no > ...skydive? "thud." (no) > ...pretend to be someone else? (I think that's what highschool is for) no. > 5 words to describe yourself: just this guy, you know? - -- Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Jul 1999 07:16:02 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (tracy jacks) Subject: Re: Review: Friendship Festival 7/3/99 lori wrote, regarding ~up with people~: >This troupe came to my high school once, way back in the dark ages, and >they >scared me then. They scared me even more Saturday night. It was like watching >the cast from Barney all growed up. eeeek! why in all hell was it as long as it was? i mean, really... c'mon fabian, hurry it up.. sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org * icq#26873712 * http://members.aol.com/limezinger * http://www.imagineradio.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=limezinger "every paper that you read, says today's your lucky day... well here's your lucky day!" -- blur. the universal. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Jul 1999 07:42:05 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (tracy jacks) Subject: Re: The AMMF Profile >Tanx all, have fun! why not. hey, you gotta fill it out too, girl! ;) - -----------------The AMMF Profile---------------------- >Profile for: me. sarah. >Nickname/Alias//Secret Identity: limezinger. possibly better known as linnellgirl. >Place you call home: new york city. toronto. lie. rochester ny. ># of Frushows attended: 10 __Favs...______________________________________________ >colour: silver >bands: they might be giants, blur, sloan, too many more to list... >fru-songs: bittersweet, .... >other song: (currently) "love my way" psychedelic furs >tv show: late night with conan o'brien >movies: ...hmm. >actor: dave foley >actress: janeane garofalo >book: jon stewart's "naked pictures of famous people" and scott thompson's "buddy babylon" >sports team: hmm... >food: hmm... >drink: coffee >alcoholic drink: hmm... >candy: generally anything minty >kind of cheese: swiss? __Stuffus...___________________________________________ >Do you collect anything? What? hmm.. mm.. cd's. >Do you play an instrument? What? i own a guitar.. doesn't mean i know how to play it.. :} >Have you ever won anything? What? nothing major >Bad habits you will admit to: filling out little surveys. :) >Can you stomach tofu? don't know if i've ever had it! >The Question: pepsi or coke? pepsi >Any brushes with fame? yes.. aside from fruvous :) .. most recent: scott thompson >Who/what do you feel is way too overrated? commercial radio etc. >...underrated? sleep >Actor/actress you MOST feel should pack it in, spare us the torture and never do another movie again: hmm.. >Obscure talent you have: none >Obscure talent you wish you had: any __Complete these sentences...__________________________ >All I really want is: more money >All I really need is: more money >I can't live without: more money >I would REALLY rather live without: >The sexiest man alive is: (tie) damon albarn and mikewood ;) >The sexiest woman alive is: hmm... >I'm ashamed to admit I used to like: filling out surveys >I'm ashamed to admit I still like: filling out surveys __Preferences..._______________________________________ >Coffee/tea (or me)- coffee >Intense heat (ie, like NOW) or being too cold> cold >Adam Sandler/Denis Leary- eech >Skeet Ulrich/Skeet shooting- ummm >Letterman/Leno- conan >Going to a movie/renting one- going >Pie/cake- pie >Toaster Strudel/Pop Tarts- neither >Britney Spears/kick in the head- kick __Would You Ever...____________________________________ >... randomly kiss someone for 50 bucks? hmm.. it might depend.. >...shave your head for 500 bucks? ..nah. not enough. :) >...sign up to be a guinea pig for medical testing for $4000? (you can actually get this done, and these two guys I know are considering it) hell, i'm already a guinea pig for the medical industry >...flash someone on a dare? oh, no one needs to see that >...blackmail someone? if they're reeeeally evil. >...get up and sing in front of 1000 people? if i was drunk enough >...bungee jump? yikes.. >...skydive? if i was dying. >...pretend to be someone else? (I think that's what highschool is for) if there was a good reason to. :) 5 words to describe yourself: what is this, a haiku? sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org * icq#26873712 * http://members.aol.com/limezinger * http://www.imagineradio.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=limezinger "every paper that you read, says today's your lucky day... well here's your lucky day!" -- blur. the universal. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:32:46 GMT From: drea1@my-deja.com Subject: Yay HMV! :) I'm not sure if Fiona's posted this yet (I'm still catching up), but at least one large record chain in Toronto is making people aware that there's a new Fruvous album coming out :) We went to the HMV across from the Eaton's Centre on Sunday afternoon and noticed that they already have Fruvous listed on the upcoming releases board under "August stuffs." Granted the release date is still there as Aug 10 (we informed the lady at the desk about the change in date), but it's there, which is the main thing *g* Drea "Stop your whining Lindy Ruff." - Jian, July 3/99 "Don't hate me because I'm anorexic." - Angie, July 3/99 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:53:06 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: the Question shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) delighted us with: >>How do i "explain" Moxy Fruvous? > >well, although my answer is not *nearly* as elequent as sharon's it might scare >your fruvirgin a little less. Just to clarify, what Sharon had posted (and what was then reposted by maryam (?) ) is actually from a blurb about Fruvous in a newspaper called The Octopus (I think) in Champaign, IL. For a while, you could get flyers with this quote on them (promoting YWGTTM release, I think) at Fruvous concerts. :) - -v Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "What happened to the times when you knew everything [tour-dates-related] by heart?" - "I got a life." -from a conversation with a webmaster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:32:41 GMT From: ChinaCat Subject: Re: the Question In article <19990705201758.23149.00011107@ng-bh1.aol.com>, shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) wrote: > well, although my answer is not *nearly* as elequent as sharon's it just so y'all know and are not mis-attributing what trace reposted from sharon... it's not sharon's, originally. that blurb came from a newspaper review of the band. i don't remember the source, but i know it's on FDC somewhere. peace, ellen *************************************************** The world is one big cosmic joke Played on me, I hear Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:45:03 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: We are getting very picky these days. AJ is probably one of the most sound opinions I've read on this newsgroup. With that said, I still believe that there is a WAY overprotectiveness and there are a few cliques that just do not welcome unknowns, or new people.. I disagree that it is unfounded. Maybe if you are in it and accepted you don't feel/notice it. but the "ownership" stuff.. it's there, it's very apparent. Fun to observe even...(well, for me) As a matter of fact.. my first few controversial posts were on the same topic, I just learned to shut up. Cuz people didn't want to hear about how mean one of "them" could be. I've noticed tho, as soon as one of the guys or Tobey seems to pay an ounce of extra attention to a person, you are accepted and even sought out. ..and, of course some people, like A.J. are just genuinely nice, with no outside motives. - -lynne -observation and opinion Patrick said: > I've posted (mostly) on topic. Yeah, my first few posts were rude. > I apologize(d) for that. I *still* have a problem with some of the > self-important fans that think they *own* the newsgroup and the band. then A.J. said: This is a recurring criticism which when investigated doesn't hold all that much water. There is A BIT of over protectiveness of the band by some people from time to time, but I don't think it is that bad, and it is usually something that people get past after enough time here. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:13:39 GMT From: Mjgreenb@aol.com Subject: Re: The AMMF Profile > >Profile for: MIKE GREENBERG > >Nickname/Alias//Secret Identity: FRU-TEACH > >Place you call home: LONG ISLAND, NY > ># of Frushows attended: 7 > > > __Favs...______________________________________________ > > >colour: Fucia/Teal > >bands: Moxy, Doors, Buffet, Springsteen, Elvis (Costello), Lightfoot, OFra Haza > >fru-songs: Stuck in the 90's, Pisco, Saucep'n, > >other song: Alabama Song > >tv show: Ally McBeal > >movies: Any w/ Julia Roberts > >actor: W.C. Fields > >actress: Julia Roberts > >book: Fire! Fire! Said Mrs. McGuire! > >sports team: Mets > >food: Italian/Israeli > >drink: Caffeine Free Diet Shasta > >alcoholic drink: 7 and 7 > >candy: Hershey Bar (call me old fashioned) > >kind of cheese: Muenster > > > __Stuffus...___________________________________________ > > >Do you collect anything? What? Records/CD's > >Do you play an instrument? What? > >Have you ever won anything? What? > >Bad habits you will admit to: Watching Barney > >Can you stomach tofu? No! > >The Question: pepsi or coke? Shasta! > >Any brushes with fame? Besides Moxy, ....Ben Stiller, Jennifer Lopez, many dance music artists, Whitney Houston, Mariah > >Who/what do you feel is way too overrated? Derek Jeter /N'Sync/ Backstreet Boys > >...underrated? Moxy Fruvous > >Actor/actress you MOST feel should pack it in, spare > us the torture and never do another movie again: Kevin Costner/Leo DeCaprio > >Obscure talent you have: My W.C. Fields impersonation > >Obscure talent you wish you had: Singing Moxy Fruvous songs in Mandarin Chinese > > > __Complete these > sentences...__________________________ > > >All I really want is: Jennifer Lopez > >All I really need is: Jennifer Lopez > >I can't live without: my radio > >I would REALLY rather live without: rap music > >The sexiest man alive is: me > >The sexiest woman alive is: Jennifer Lopez > >I'm ashamed to admit I used to like: Captain Beefheart > >I'm ashamed to admit I still like: Debbie Gibson > > > __Preferences..._______________________________________ > > >Coffee/tea (or me)- coffee > >Intense heat (ie, like NOW) or being too cold> being too cold > >Adam Sandler/Denis Leary- neither...prefer Tim Leary > >Skeet Ulrich/Skeet shooting- the skeet line in Boo Time > >Letterman/Leno- Letterman > >Going to a movie/renting one- renting > >Pie/cake- cake > >Toaster Strudel/Pop Tarts- pop tarts > >Britney Spears/kick in the head- Britney....I have met her...she is actually intelligent and yes, she has heard of Moxy > > > __Would You > Ever...____________________________________ > > >... randomly kiss someone for 50 bucks? yes > >...shave your head for 500 bucks? no > >...sign up to be a guinea pig for medical testing for > $4000? (you can actually get this done, and these two > guys I know are considering it) no > >...flash someone on a dare? no > >...blackmail someone? no > >...get up and sing in front of 1000 people? sure > >...bungee jump? no > >...skydive? no > >...pretend to be someone else? (I think that's what > highschool is for) no > >...listen to Britney Spears sing Baby, One More Time? Sure! > > 5 words to describe yourself: > > > ******************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:10:07 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: female? voice Raenfaerie@aol.com wrote: > > I haven't seen this addressed anywhere, although on fruvous.com Terri Ford's > "swing it" is mentioned. > WHO/WHAT is the female? voice at the beginning of "It's Too Cold," (after the > general ramblings.) I'm positively dying of curiosity. ! Don't have any idea what it says beyond the obvious parts, but the What is that it is a religious tape that they found somewhere that they really wanted to include in the album. I think it had to sped up or slowed down to fit the rhythm of the song. Using the not-patented by Chris O but still wholely and totally slick (and probably should be on the opening page if he could fit it somewhere) search engine on FDC, I found out where I read that about the tape thing: http://www.Fruvous.com/news/ptf.html - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:58:55 GMT From: Angie Subject: Friendship Festival, slight review Hi... I was there, I sweated my a$$ off, but had a great time! I remember bits and pieces of things... some were personal observations and experiences that I'll keep to myself (some compliments are best enjoyed alone... hee hee) Anyway, here's a few bits: During "Boss," Jian started his little hip-wiggling salsa way early into the song (normally it appears somewhere around "And tho he pays me minimum wage..."). Of course, all the girls went nuts (ok, I admit it... I screamed a bit too... involuntary reaction)! So, he wiggled a lot, had a great time with the song, and made the funniest comment afterward. Not verbatim, but along the lines of "you know how sometimes when you're singing a song or something how your mind just wanders and you imagine yourself in another place? Well, when I was doing my little dance there during the song [brief hip wiggle to demonstrate], and everyone started screaming and stuff... for a moment, for just a moment I thought I was [or felt like] Ricky Martin! *snort* Mike and Jian were in quite the mood Sat night (and no, this confectioner had nothing to do with it, didn't get a chance to bake because my friend Carrie had her baby 3 weeks early... Tristan Alexander, the cutest thing!) Cute little grin from Murray as "his people" shouted a resounding "Way to Go, Murray!" at the end of a song. I caught a glimpse of Jian reaching up and holding onto his pendant during "Drinking Song," for just a moment, then let go... I bought one of the new Tank Tops to wear to Toronto on Sun... (with the FruCon2 MF design, very nice!), and Jian paid me a nice compliment before signing it. Jian was wading through the crowd, Murray appeared behind the lattice fence and signed a few autographs from there. Jian made the announcement after the birthday cake was presented that notice _he_ was out with the crowd, while Murray was hiding behind a fence. After he first saw the cake and "Happy Birthday" was sung, Murray says, "Do I get some of that cake?" hahahaha, a man with priorities! I went to give Murray a hug and said, "...hug, over the fence," he glances down at the fence and says, "hmmm, not the most brilliant idea, was it?" and before I could stop myself I said, "Well who's brilliant idea _was_ it, anyway??" then laughed and apologized, he agreed totally and said, "no, you're right... it was mine." I forget myself sometimes and talk to them like friends I hang with everyday... Hi again to Veronica and Rachael and Cheesemonkey that I met for the first time, sorry I missed you Lawrence!!! Sorry I missed you Lawrence and chris and Hi again to Drea and Fiona and Paul and Lori and Amy and Chrissy and Wild Bill and Mindy and oh man... the list is waaaaaay too long! I'll see folks this Sunday at Toronto... and hopefully this time I will be bringing my latest concoction: rum-chocolate ravioli (Murray looked a little frightened at first and then said, well... I will have to sample at least one. I asked him first how he felt about rum, he paused and said, I am definitely Pro-Rum... hee hee). Guess that's it for now, unless I remember something else. ciao! - --Angie They say that the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions... well, at least it will be a smooth ride - --me ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #564 ********************************************