From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #510 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, June 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 510 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Clearwater [gordonlew@aol.com (GordonLew)] Re: Early Camping List [McCown ] croton-on-hudson [McCown ] Re: Clearwater [review] [aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu] Re: location of fans (topic, what topic?) [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori M] Clearwater [review] [aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu] Re: Falcon Ridge Camp Fruvous [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin)] Re: The war on those cat freaks [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin)] Re: another austin connection? [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Clearwater [review] ["Adam Hartfield" ] Re: croton-on-hudson [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin)] re: just a query... [gingee@my-deja.com] Just Wondering Who's Going To Croton/NYC &/or Boston Fleadh [Lynne ] Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #509 [Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Ca] Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #509 [Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Ca] Re: Clearwater [review] [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: Gulf War Song and Hockey ["Jason A. Reiser" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Jun 1999 04:40:29 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (GordonLew) Subject: Clearwater The Clearwater Revival was Great. Not just Moxy the whole show. Moxy was the best part of course. They followed Dar Williams on the Hudson River Stage. Dar had a bigger crowd but the Fruheads were much louder. The started appropriatly enough for the "Great Clearwater Hudson River Revival" with River Valley. That got all the activist on their side. After a few many, maybe most of us were up and dancing. No one had gotten up for any other act all day. The highlight was Johnny Saucep'n. There was a sign language interpreter translating for the deaf their. He kept up with Jian the whole song. By the end everybody, including the lads, was watching him. Jian couldn't keep his eyes off him. They didn't end with the Gulf War Song or The Drinking Song. Can anyone else remember a show where that happened? They ended with "Authors." I found out why latter. After the main show they did a second one. an A Capella workshop with another group. They did the Gulf War song there. Next year I'm going to go to both days of the festival, I hope Moxy is there again. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:23:25 GMT From: McCown Subject: Re: Early Camping List > Um, well, if this list is for Falcon Ridge . . . add me to the > bottom! > > >>>> 1. Kate Leahy > >>> > >>> 2. Nate DeRose > >> > >> 3. Daniel Godwin > > > >4. MikE WooD!!! > > 5. ladywench 6. Lizzie and her mommy and daddy and her friend Erin we're driving up thursday morning and it takes 3.5 or 4 hours so we should be there fairly early. love lizzie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:18:34 GMT From: McCown Subject: croton-on-hudson i just got back from the clearwater revival festival and i am really falling asleep, so this is not going to be a real "review." i actually only got to stay for one of the two früvous sets, so i'm sure the other people who were there (hi deb, lori, caroline, and the bunch of people i talked to in line!) can do a much better job, but i just wanted to say a couple of things. first of all, the festival itself was just wonderful. my parents and i have decided it's the best we've been to so far. the hudson is absolutely beautiful and looking out over the water that the festival is meant to save, you realize just how important it all is. i really enjoyed the fact that they had an "activist area" for tons of different groups...and as lori will attest, there were way too many bumper stickers and buttons and all sorts of things to choose from. before früvous' set on the hudson stage, both jian and tobey graced us with their presences in the little frühead corner we had staked out. i know people have setlists that they jotted down, so i'll leave that to them, but there was a long car ride home and i started thinking a lot...so bear with me, if you feel like it. when i went to say my hellos to the guys, i realized how incredibly relaxed i felt about it, and i was so happy. yes, this was my tenth show, and maybe i shouldn't be surprised about being able to talk to them, but i just keep realizing that they truly are a bunch of the sweetest guys i have ever met in my life. i am always so caught up in getting things signed for people or delivering birthday presents or whatever that i always forget to tell them what a great show it was and how much fun i had, and how much fun i always have. and i feel so bad about that because i know that no matter how tired they are, or whatever craziness is going on, they're going to do their best for us. and that makes me feel really lucky to be a fan. especially since it also means i can be part of this community because it really is great, and i know a lot of not so great stuff has been going on, but i just keep reminding myself how really special what's going on here most of the time is, because so far i have made a lot of friends, heard a lot of great ideas and tons of great music, and read some great books, and i know that's going to keep going on. so i think that's it, and i am going to go to sleep now because it is late. love lizzie ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 05:34:29 GMT From: aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu Subject: Re: Clearwater [review] aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu wrote: : band on when I arrived, the name of which escapes me. Interesting stuff; : I got to see Buckwheat Zudeco perform last year with the Pops in Boston so ^^^^^^ : I was pretty familiar with the genre. Would that I could spell correctly over a telnet connection... - - A.P. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 05:48:01 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: location of fans (topic, what topic?) A billion and one years ago, during a time when Lori had temporarily departed the newsgroup and all sorts of as-yet-unexplored-hell broke loose (coincidence?! I Think Not!!!), chad and Trace were having all sorts of degenerate fun, and Trace said something like: >chad schrock >wrote: > >> >>Trace wrote: >>> Previously, a few degenerate sandwich components wrote: >> >>organic or inorganic? > >I don't know about you chad, but I'm definitely...um...organic :) (Lori notes that she is a totally organic component, and that Baltimore is starting to sound more interesting by the millisecond :) ) >>> Thank you sweetie. You're trying to get on my good side >>> aren't you? >> >>Sure! I don't know why yet, but I'll think of something >>eventually. :) consider yourself warned. >Well, let me know when you figure it out! >>> Yay! I'm not in chad's Bozo Bin! >>nor is Jacey. I hesitate to ask. >> >>You know, thinking about it some more, I like the term "Bozo >>Bin" better than "killfile." It just sounds so much more >>apropo. Considering who generally goes in there, absolutely. >So do I. It's less violent. I wouldn't want to do any killfiling, Oh try it, I think it could be fun given the right occupants. >but Bozo Binning? That's ok. >Signal to noise ratio? That implies there's some signal here :) what heresy. >Trace >trace@frumail.o A self-proclaimed degenerate, unlike some of us. - -- Lori, announcing that sheee's baaaaackkk, and is feeling quite pleased that there is degeneracy even in her absence. Either some people feel the need to overcompensate, or the truth has been revealed -- I actually exercise a stabilizing influence on some of the natives here. Scary thought, that. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 05:29:06 GMT From: aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu Subject: Clearwater [review] I'd just found out how close to me Croton-on-Hudson was to me the night before the show, but I made up my mind to drive the hour or so on a whim anyway. It was definitely worth the trip, even though I overshot the exit the first time around and ended up crossing the Tappan Zee Bridge twice (d'oh..) I arrived at about 1:30, having made good time from Connecticut, and walked around the festival grounds for a while, eventually settling off to the side of the stage the lads were to perform on. There was a Zydeco band on when I arrived, the name of which escapes me. Interesting stuff; I got to see Buckwheat Zudeco perform last year with the Pops in Boston so I was pretty familiar with the genre. Very energetic stuff; a lot of people were dancing off to the side of the stage. Country Joe McDonald performed next (shades of Woodstock, or Woodstock Slappy, if you're an Animaniacs fan), and he was followed by Dar Williams. I'd never heard any of her music before; she has a beautiful voice. She seemed a little shy, though, but I liked her music. Fruvous took to the stage a little (5 minutes?) late after Dar's set, opening with River Valley. (This being the Hudson River Festival, I would have been surprised if they'd opened with anything else.) The crowd, most of which weren't Fruheads, seemed to become fans of the band very quickly. Eventually most everyone was standing, Michigan Militia being the song that brought everyone to their feet. A very energetic set. Not a lot of banter though (I suspect this was because the sets were so short - Fruvous' lasted from 5:15 to 6:15.) A lot of well-known songs, and very fun. I snagged Murray's setlist, which reads: River Horse Moon Rush Hold MPG Minnie Mich Tur (note: this never got played. Time constraints again I imagine) Sauce Early (note: this was not played during the first set) King Gr (note: short version) Potty!!! (note: I have no clue what this is. Jian did make some comments about portapotties there though.) Not included on the setlist are Love Potion #9, which followed GE&H, and Authors, which was their encore. After the first set the lads went off to sign and talk to the fans. I finally got to meet them (they're really great, and so easy to approach and talk to!) and got them to sign my setlist and one of my brother's CD's. (He couldn't make it to the show, so he'll be surprised to see that when he gets back home at the end of the week). Then Gordon (who has already posted his review, I see) and I went off to the Rainbow Stage at the other end of the festival grounds, where Fruvous were scheduled to appear along with two other bands at 7:30 as part of an acapella "workshop". This was rather interesting; the lads provided backup harmonies for the songs Kim and Reggie Harris and Magpie played, and performed a few more on their own as well (Boss, Early Morning Rain -- which I finally got to hear live, and which was awesome, and the Gulf War Song.) I can't rightfully end this post without mentioning the most astounding part of the evning -- the ASL translator. As a service to the disabled, each act had onstage with them a sign-language interpreter. For the most part it was pretty easy to overlook them if you weren't paying attention to the corner of the stage. However, things got really interesting when the lads played Johnny Saucep'n. I'd have thought the gtranslator would have sat that one out, but, instead, he floored everyone, including the band, by not only translating the song, but doing it just as quickly as the lads sang it. Absolutely incredible, and the band really looked like they were having fun watching him. Certainly glad I decided to roll out of bed at a decent hour on a Sunday to catch this show... - - A.P. - -- ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 06:36:54 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: Falcon Ridge Camp Fruvous Nate appears to have generously offered to coordinate the aforementioned FRCF: Well, perhaps we can get a list going..... > >Who is going to be showing up thursday at 7 for the early bird camping? > >Perhaps we should meet at the gate or something like that? And all of >us go in and pick a spot together? > >So.... whoever will be there thursday, post your name, and let's try to >get some loose coordination goin'. >:) Lori will be there Thursday night! :) Pitching her very large tent and hoping to hang out a bit. - -- Lori, punchy right about now ******************************* Lori's Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html Früvous/amm-f factoids galore (courtesy of Colleen Campbell): http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 08:05:37 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: The war on those cat freaks chad schrock wrote: >*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING* (Lori the intrepid fool wades in without having caught up on her reading first, inducing further WARNING WARNING WARNING messages -- she doesn't know how the hell this all has played out, but it's gotten suitably ugly) > >Gross misrepresentation ahead! Proceeed at your own risk! >(and nothing against Fruwench, she just helps to prove a point.) Don't ya love when that happens? (Jen, sweetie, you know I love you, but free speech doesn't mean irresponsible speech. If someone doesn't know what the words they're using mean, p'raps they ought to use words they understand.) > >*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING* > >FruWench wrote: >> >> Does this mean I cant be gay and happy anymore? Sure you can. But don't expect anyone who knows 20th-century English to understand them as synonms. Free speech, >> folks. He did apologize as "no offense intended." > >All of you cat owners are freaks and are mentally unfit. Now chad, I deeply resent the pinpoint accuracy of some of your observations. >Oh sorry, no offense intended, free speech you know. >It sounds to me more like the empty, "oh, sorry" that people >utter when they bump into each other or something. Uh huh. Bingo. "Oh, sorry you got in my way and I had to step on you -- but you know I didn't mean to break your ankle ...." > >> Are any of you jumping on his case homosexuals who >> were offended? > >Why should only homosexuals be offended? They shouldn't be, and they aren't. :) > -- > chad at radix dot net > cat person - -- Lori at aol dot com tired person with only 393 messages to go. cripes, you people talk a lot. :) ************************ And history seems to agree That I would fight you for me ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 11:16:58 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: another austin connection? >(i live in newark, de...they'll come around here >sometime...) Me too! I live in Newark, DE. Um, WHO will come around here sometime? I missed the beginning of this. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:08:29 -0400 From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: Clearwater [review] > I'd have thought the translator would > have sat that one out, but, instead, he floored everyone, including the > band, by not only translating the song, but doing it just as quickly as > the lads sang it. Absolutely incredible, and the band really looked like > they were having fun watching him. I think it must be some sort of competition among translators: "*I* kept up with Moxy Fruvous in that food song!" You know, kind of like playing Flight Of The Bumblebee on esoteric instruments. - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 14:20:10 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: croton-on-hudson Lizzie did the impressionistic review thingie, so i'll throw in the setlist: Mainstage show: River Valley Horseshoes Moon GMIA I Will Hold On My Poor Generation Minnie Michy Sauce KoS/GEH LP9 encore: Authors Rainbow Stage workshop with Kim & Reggie Harris and Magpie (amazing vocalists all!): Boss Early Morning Rain Kids GWS (hmm, does anyone here know the lyrics? does anyone know what they mean? sorry, couldn't resist ... ) Fruvous also did backing vocals and some instrumental work on the other groups' songs. It was a great, wonderful, gorgeous day! Shared candy, sat in the sunshine, bought entirely too many buttons, saw Caroline for the first time in eons ... not a bad way at all to ease back into the non-Maine world. :) - -- Lori, windburnt ********** only 288 posts to go *sigh* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:32:53 GMT From: gingee@my-deja.com Subject: re: just a query... Thanks, Jen! I now *almost* get the Cheese Monkey concept. I am also fond of cheese as well as monkeys (particularly of the sock variety). Cheers! (or should I say, Cheese!) gingee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:15:31 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Just Wondering Who's Going To Croton/NYC &/or Boston Fleadh UGh.. so sad to arrive at LGA at about 6pm to discover that my flight had been delayed.. could I possibly have seen the guys in Croton and driven like a madwoman to LGA to catch my flight back to the flat state of Ohio? I have had to tell myself to repeatedly LET IT GO! Anyway... NYC Fleadh (flah), I am still debating, I have not gotten a ticket yet, but will be flying back to NYC on the 25th. I think I'd be easier convinced to go if I knew other people would be ther with me... - -lynne ok.. next year, I've got to work out my travcel plans to be more in sync with the guys I leave Ohio-Michigan area they have 2 shows there, I leave NY they have a show there. sheesh. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:42:21 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: location of fans (topic, what topic?) On 21 Jun 1999 05:48:01 GMT, the Homicidal Flamingo (tm) told us that, >she is a totally organic component, and that Baltimore is >starting to sound more interesting by the millisecond :) Component??? Lori, welcome to The Collective. You have been assimilated. >> I wouldn't want to do any killfiling, > >Oh try it, I think it could be fun given the right occupants. I just wanted to point out yet more evidence of Lori's homicidal impulses. >A self-proclaimed degenerate, unlike some of us. >-- Lori, announcing that sheee's baaaaackkk, and is feeling quite pleased that >there is degeneracy even in her absence. Either some people feel the need to >overcompensate, or the truth has been revealed -- I actually exercise a >stabilizing influence on some of the natives here. > >Scary thought, that. As advised by counsel, I plead the 5th. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:58:58 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Gulf War Song and Hockey Lori Martin wrote: > GWS (hmm, does anyone here know the lyrics? does anyone know what they mean? Hi Lori! Welcome to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. You can find the lyrics to this song and pretty much all Moxy Fruvous songs at www.fruvous.com. The site is a wonderful resource chock-full of Fruvous information, tour dates, show reviews and articles. You can check out merchandise and get links to places to buy albums. Boy is it cool! Hope that helps! As for what the song means? Well, I have it on a good source that the song is a metaphor for crappy hockey goal judges. It's kinda biting satire actually. But in the light of the tragedy that has just happened in the finals, we see how relevant the song still unfortunately is in these times. > We got a call to write a song about the war in the Gulf > But we shouldn't hurt anyone's feelings > So we tried, then gave up, 'cause there was no such song > But the trying was very revealing > What makes a person so poisonous righteous > That they'd think less of anyone who just disagreed? > She's just a pacifist, he's just a patriot > If I said you were crazy, would you have to fight me? The band felt a higher calling to write a song about how useful and important the good goal judge was to hockey. They tried to figure out some sort of song that fit, but it didn't work out because when it comes down to it, when it's that all important time when the game is on the line, there is no such thing as a good goal judge. What gives the stupid goal judge the power to misinterpret goals and make rightful goal scorers goaless and wrongful goal scorers score? > Fighters for liberty, fighters for power > Fighters for longer turns in the shower > Don't tell me I can't fight, 'cause I'll punch out your lights > And history seems to agree that I would fight you for me The mythical good goal judge, the champion of right. He defends the goalies from the unfair shots and keeps everyone inline. And of course makes the bad call that ends the game early sending one team wrongfully and mournfully to the showers. Damn you, goal judge, I'll kick your ass up there in that booth. You suck and we got history on our side to prove it. > So we read and we watched all the specially selected news > And we learned so much more 'bout the good guys > Won't you stand by the flag? Was the question unasked > Won't you join in and fight with the allies? > What could we say...we're only 25 years old? > With 25 sweet summers, and hot fires in the cold > This kind of life makes that violence unthinkable > We'd like to play hockey, have kids and grow old So, of course, the media spin on the game starts about 2 minutes after the crappy call. They are just doing their job. They called it the way they saw it. He had full control of the puck while he was outside the crease, so it was okay for him to skate into the crease to make the shot. Let's focus on the team that won and show how they earned the victory, even though the deciding factor was the bad goal judge. Hockey league officials, can't you make the right call? Isn't it obvious? Didn't anyone ask you to stand up for what you thought was right? Why won't you fight for the greater good of hockey in general? > Fighters for Texaco, fighters for power > Fighters for longer turns in the shower > Don't tell me I can't fight 'cause I'll punch out your lights > And history seems to agree that I would fight you for me > That us would fight them for we Big money is making the NHL more of a corporation. Glowing pucks. Bad Fox analysts. All fighting to make more money for themselves and getting the players off the ice so they don't have to pickup their regularly scheduled money making programs already in progress. Damn you corporate buffoons. You suck too, ruining the game all in the name of national exposure. Look what you did to the NBA, hmmmm? > He's just a peacenik and she's just a warhawk > That's where the beach was, that's where the sea > What could we say...we're only 25 years old? > And history seems to agree > that I would fight you for me > That us would fight them for we We are all just normal people who want to enjoy our hockey. We want the winners to win and losers to lose and everyone to be happy. But look at what has happened? It just isn't working that way. > Is that how it always will be? Will things ever change? Will they? - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:48:23 -0400 From: Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Cameron Ross) Subject: Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #509 > >Scruj. Yeah. Celtic band claiming to be from Winnipeg, although they > >introduced each member as being from a different part of Canada > >*giggle*. Damn they were fun. And they did a cover of a French folk song > >which, although I didn't follow all of it. (Please, Quebecois FAST > >without my hearing aid? I'm only human) We clapped and bounced and > >generally had a great time. I need a CD. SEE this band. Actually, the CD is not that great, especially compared to the live show... I saw them at Contact last year, and then went to a friends who had the live CD... and well... It wasn't very good at all, which is wierd.... you expect some degradation from the Live show, but not *that* much.... You must definatly See them, but albums... maybe not... If I had known they were playing... oh well... that's what comes with living under a rock - - Life101 - "Life is a placebo masquerading as a simile" -They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:14:57 GMT From: Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Cameron Ross) Subject: Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #509 > >Scruj. Yeah. Celtic band claiming to be from Winnipeg, although they > >introduced each member as being from a different part of Canada > >*giggle*. Damn they were fun. And they did a cover of a French folk song > >which, although I didn't follow all of it. (Please, Quebecois FAST > >without my hearing aid? I'm only human) We clapped and bounced and > >generally had a great time. I need a CD. SEE this band. Actually, the CD is not that great, especially compared to the live show... I saw them at Contact last year, and then went to a friends who had the live CD... and well... It wasn't very good at all, which is wierd.... you expect some degradation from the Live show, but not *that* much.... You must definatly See them, but albums... maybe not... If I had known they were playing... oh well... that's what comes with living under a rock - - Life101 - "Life is a placebo masquerading as a simile" -They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 17:03:55 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Clearwater [review] Safe to say that "Potty" is "Love Potion No. 9"????? LMAO ... jealously, of course, of all of you who have been enjoying these concerts while I tour the great Fruvousless midwest. :( Sulking QL who used to work 10 minutes from Croton and covered Croton High School sports. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 1999 09:35:57 -0700 From: "Jason A. Reiser" Subject: Re: Gulf War Song and Hockey In article <376E5332.FF819D9C@fruhead.com>, Chad says... > >Lori Martin wrote: >> GWS (hmm, does anyone here know the lyrics? does anyone know what they mean? > >Hi Lori! Welcome to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. [...] Do you have any idea how tempted I am to create alt.music.moxy-fruvous.satire? ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #510 ********************************************