From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #497 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, June 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 497 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Oh, for the love of crap [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Pisco Bandito [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Tory at C'est What this Sunday [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: oh you evil, evil chad! [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Etymology (was: the war on gayness) [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: The war on those cat freaks [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: the war on gayness [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: boulder show review / K@ is not listening [fruwench@aol.com (FruWenc] ??!?!@?#?$%?^? ["The Schambachs" ] hold it ["lil' spence" ] Paul & Andrea's Appel Farm pictures ["Adam Hartfield" ] Re: Sorry, KatieWow ["KatieWow" ] Re: Cristicism: bad lyrics (long) [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.quee] Re: hockey, clarenden, and bdays :) [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.que] Re: Pisco Bandito [joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Josh Woodward)] I Will Hold On [Chad Maloney ] Re: boulder show review - the non-violent approach [Chad Maloney ] Re: oh you evil, evil chad! [Jacey7@aol.com] Re: The war on those cat freaks [Ellen ] Re: Etymology [tmbgirl@juno.com] Re: Tory at C'est What this Sunday [cricket5@hotmail.com] Re: the war [tmbgirl@juno.com] Re: hockey, clarenden, and bdays :) [nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Ni] Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town [skystar11] Re: location of fans (topic, what topic?) [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town [conna] Re: OT: Uncle Bonsai [scoper@netcom.com (Scott Perschke)] Re: Oh, for the love of crap [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: oh you evil, evil chad! [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:30:35 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Oh, for the love of crap Personally, I love disecting lyrics. As long as it is friendly and open, and everyone accepts that noone except the author ever REALLY knows the true meaning. And accepts that the same lyrics can have different meaning to different people. isn't that the point after all? Different people see the lyrics differently and so we all get something from them? This has probably already been said, if so, I apologize for redundancy. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:41:26 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Pisco Bandito Perhaps as a hidden track at the end? Like Organ Grinder on Wood? ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 12:00:24 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Tory at C'est What this Sunday Mary, what was his web page again? I lost the URL. Weren't you working on it? ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:36:54 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: oh you evil, evil chad! Angie, I would say sensible rather than insensitive. I'm one of the sensitive types who tends to take things personally even when they aren't said to me. It ain't easy. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:35:24 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Etymology (was: the war on gayness) Tom, That may have been off-topic, but I loved it. Thank you. May I assume you know where the British gesture of contempt came from as well? That is another of my favorite stories, being an amature archer myself. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:44:51 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: The war on those cat freaks Chad pipes up with an intelligen question: >> Are any of you jumping on his case homosexuals who >> were offended? > >Why should only homosexuals be offended? > Didn't say ONLY homosexuals should be offended, but if NO homosexuals were offended it kinda takes the winds outta the sails, don't it? ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:40:15 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: the war on gayness Ok, my turn as a geek . . . I don't know the technical phrasology, but fuck was also used in Middle/Old ?) England as a term for planting. Literally meaning to take a seed and push it into the ground with your finger. Perhaps your middle finger? Would this be where OUR rude gesture came from? ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 11:56:53 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: boulder show review / K@ is not listening Patrick, if you are still here . . . > However, I think "filk" music is >a lower form of humor than puns. Just a question . . .do you mean ANY filk or just parodies? I have heard several very nice and sentimental filks done by poets who like to sing but just can't write music. Just asking, this isn't a trap to get another opinion out of you. You can send it to my e-mail if you would rather not post it. I'm rather fond of serious filks, but you don't have to be. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:55:08 GMT From: "The Schambachs" Subject: ??!?!@?#?$%?^? Generally, I prefer the silent observer standpoint and I haven't been reading this for very long, But I have to say, this has got to be the most interesting news group that I have ever encountered. So far I have seen absolute silliness, intelligence, open-mindedness, ridiculously stubborn narrow mindedness, friendliness, hostility, etc... What a compilation of human experiences we have here! What I find (Alert! This is merely an opinion) laughable is that the center of this controversy hasn't posted anything since 6/13 and look at all the hubub that ensued. Furthermore, also laughable but in a very sad way, how silly is it that everyone feels a need to put qualifiers in their posts such as "This is an Opinion" etc. Everything is subjective. Everything. Erin My mamma always says "Never take to heart the opinion of people you don't respect" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:11:38 GMT From: "lil' spence" Subject: hold it just to keep people from thinking too much, i DO indeed think that pat was wrong about some things...in fact, alot of things! most of the songs he criticised were among my favorites, and i want everyone to know that i am NOT trying to take sides here - -chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:10:25 GMT From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Paul & Andrea's Appel Farm pictures Wow, great pictures of the fest, y'all! So clear! So focused on the artists! So awesome! I guess it's now the Kwiecinski-Mischler-Beasi-Krause Method of Concert Photography that I must master. :) You should definitely post to Nields-Nook about these pictures of The Nields. They're great! And I'm looking forward to the GBS ones, too. I'm sure they'll be just as good! Jeeze, I wrote Polk instead of Krause initially above. I think I need help. - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:30:32 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Sorry, KatieWow i'll make my best attempt to be on tonight. wow. i wonder what the hell's wrong with m e-mail . . . ~~kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org ***************************************************************** "Quite frankly, I wish the website would just go down . . . we're starting to make a little bit of money. It's a disaster." "We're about the music." - --The guys, West Coast Live **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 14:27:05 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Cristicism: bad lyrics (long) Thanks Heather! :) Glad you liked it! :) Can you tell who was starting to lose it at work yesterday? :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 14:14:22 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: hockey, clarenden, and bdays :) No, heavens! You don't have to get *new* ID if you hit 18 or 19, depending on the liquor laws of your province. I think our beloved Cheesemonkey's point was simply that she didn't have any ID to begin with! :) Goodness knows my Ontario driver's license was good enough when I turned 19, even though it had been issued when I was 16. Didn't look a thing like me anymore! :) And I do know that Nova Scotia has the "Turns 19 in ____" line that you're talking about. But each province is different in their form of ID. In Quebec you don't even get your photo on you driver's license! :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 14:02:40 GMT From: joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Josh Woodward) Subject: Re: Pisco Bandito Chad Maloney (opercmm@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu) wrote: : I think it's just a funny haha song myself. Deep down inside, I probably : think it shouldn't be on the new album because it'll stick out like : a sore thumb (and possibly steal[1] a slot that could have been taken : by a more inline with the album song). But I know that's probably not : an opinion a lot of people share here. Doesn't mean I don't like the : song, but I definitely like some of the other a whole whole[2] lot more. Good, someone else thinks this. Yes, it's without a doubt the live song in the bunch that draws the most enthusiastic applause after a play. But, Green Eggs is one of the biggest audience draws as well, and it was never released. I can hear studio versions most of the new songs in my head, but I can't with Pisco. Plus, it doesn't fit with the rest of the songs. (neither does Follow The Road, but they better put it on or I'll sob like a baby! ;-) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:14:36 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: I Will Hold On "Paul D. Beasi" wrote: > [...] "Hey guys, did you notice that they aren't singing background > vocals on I Will Hold On lately? I think that takes away from the > song." That started after the studio. My first show without the echo vocals was Syracuse which was my first post-studio show. Can't say anything about the two Roch-cha-cha shows before that. So I'd guess that either they didn't like it in the studio or the Producer didn't like it in the studio and either way it migrated away. My guess was a bit of simplifying the music, but I don't know for sure. But I'd be surprised if the album version has the echo vocals... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:07:24 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: boulder show review - the non-violent approach FruWench wrote: > > >So how many people are, like me, wondering if WE are the ones that Chad > >filters > >out > > Yeah, me too. I would prefer to know if I am posting stuff that annoys people > rather than be ignored. Kinda feels like talking to someone with their fingers > in their ears. And would give me the chance to get back on topic, as it were. Ooooh. Just a note that the Chad up there isn't me. I don't killfile anyone, even people who take it upon themselves to personally flame me. If I'm willing to wade through the newsgroup, I might as well *wade through the newsgroup* you know? But a killfile is everyone's right. Someone can be the nicest, most honest genuine person in the world and still rub someone the wrong way. If someone crosses a personal line with you, killfiles give you a way to just shut it out at the source no questions asked. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:48:13 GMT From: Ambush Bug Subject: Re: Pre-Vault Dinner Sure, why not. Of course, it's a food court, so it's a bit more open than a restaurant. We'll do it. Mike Remember when Mindy J Munson said: : Im game! I mean it. I will do it. : ~Mindy :>How about we walk into the resturant and shout "MOXY" and wait to see :>what :>table answers back with "FRUVOUS"? :> :>Hey, it worked in FAO Schwartz. :-) :> :>ladywench : ___________________________________________________________________ : Get the Internet just the way you want it. : Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! : Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. - -- "In the cinema tonight, they sit and watch the robots fight. The human beings don't have much to say..." -- Joe Jackson, Instant Mash 1979 "Whoa." -- Keannu Reeves, The Matrix, 1999 Try my games, dammit! Get them at http://www.aliensoft.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:43:16 GMT From: Jacey7@aol.com Subject: Re: oh you evil, evil chad! >> Am I being insensitive in not being overly offended by various comments being tossed around? Yeah, some were uncalled for (not just from Patrick, btw), some where malicious and hurtful, but some had a shade of validity and genuine effort.<< No, I'm with you Angie. The way I see it, if I like something, I like it. Someone else *not* liking it, or pointing out its shortcomings (or their perceived notions of its shortcomings)frankly doesn't disturb me. I kinda stopped following all those threads when they started getting very imapssioned (which, btw, leaves me little to read ;-). Have people really *left* the ng?? Can I ask who? (I could sift through the messages and find out, I suppose, but this is easier ;-)If you're interested in what he's saying, follow his threads. If not, don't. But please, don't leave because of it. I kinda like this place, and I'd hate to see it go to hell over something like *this*. ~jen - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23." --Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."-- Rent Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:34:51 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: The war on those cat freaks In article <3765BEAC.56C802C4@radix.net>, chad schrock wrote: > It sounds to me more like the empty, "oh, sorry" that people > utter when they bump into each other or something. hey, i actually *am* sorry when i bump into someone and say "i'm sorry." ;) > cat person rrrrrrowr. one of the last things mocksie said upon leaving was that he/she would not stay around to hear someone insult/criticize his/her fave band. and as someone (i think it was vika), said earlier, if you can't handle criticism of moxy fruvous, then you probably *shouldn't* read this newsgroup. i agree completely. this is an open forum; opinions about fruvous music should be welcome, whether they are favorable or not. in and ideal world, we would also be mature and civilized when expressing our opinions. obviously this is not utopia, but just because you find one person's expression of opinion rude doesn't give you license to respond in kind. i applaud the few people who have actually answered patrick's posts calmly and cordially. you know who you are. you're a lot more likely to get someone who has jumped to a hasty conclusion to listen to you than the people who are telling him he's flat-out wrong. peace, ellen *************************************************** if you smile at me, i will understand. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:59:18 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: Re: Etymology you guys never cease to amaze me. :) take it easy, JOrdaN ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:24:28 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Tory at C'est What this Sunday fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) wrote: > Mary, what was his web page again? I lost the URL. Weren't you working on it? > You can find basic info on Tory's CD and where he's playing at: http://www2.crosswinds.net/~tcassis/ - --Mary Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:59:19 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: Re: the war >Just because it's used doesn't mean it's >lost >it's original meaning. what i'm trying to say is that in some situations, the original meaning is the farthest from what is intended. I do, now, understand why you were perhaps jumpy when you saw the term, and it upsets me to see that people are that cruel but after someone explains that they didn't use it in that sense and had no intentions of harming anyone (so haven't three people on the NG already said that they didn't even know that "pansy" was a gay slur?) that ya know, once you've brought the fact to people's attentions that it can and perhaps often times is interpreted that way, to just give that person, in that situation, a break... they said they didn't mean any harm, no reason to keep perstering them. the end. take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:11:18 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: hockey, clarenden, and bdays :) On 15 Jun 1999 14:14:22 GMT, someone who looked like Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> whispered: >No, heavens! You don't have to get *new* ID if you hit 18 or 19, depending >on the liquor laws of your province. Ahhh... enlightenment strikes. Thanks. :) - --nicole twn ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 16:24:24 GMT From: skystar117@aol.comPHAEDRUS (Debb) Subject: Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town So I'm planning to check out both east coast FFs' and I'm just now thinking about seeing, *gasp* _OTHER_ acts there, besides Fruvous, Elvis, Jonh Lee Hooker and VM....I've heard a bunch of different acts being mentioned here, but haven't been keeping notes. Does anyone have any suggestions for other Must See groups? Chill, thanks;) - -debs "All music is folk music. I ain't never heard no horse sing a song." -Louis Armstrong "Let the moonlight take the lid off your dreams"-BF5 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:22:23 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: location of fans (topic, what topic?) Previously, a few degenerate sandwich components wrote: >> >> >I'm in a Trace/Lori sandwich! >> >> Dare I ask, "where's the beef?" Ok, nevermind. I'm better >> off not knowing :) > >Probably a wise move. :) > >> Why do I feel compelled to fill in for the temporarily absent >> resident degenerate, Lori? > >Because you're such a good degenerate yourself? :) Thank you sweetie. You're trying to get on my good side aren't you? Yay! I'm not in chad's Bozo Bin! - -- Trace trace@frumail.org AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 17:06:05 GMT From: connacht80@aol.com (Connacht80) Subject: Re: Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town > Does anyone have any suggestions for other Must See >groups? Luka Bloom - you won't be sorry. Altan - awesome traditional band ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:12:12 GMT From: scoper@netcom.com (Scott Perschke) Subject: Re: OT: Uncle Bonsai On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:59:34 GMT, "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: >KatieWow wrote: >> >> uncle bonsai? did you say UNCLE BONSAI?!? >> you're awesome. i thought that rodney and i were teh only two people in the >> world who knew them :). >> ~~kate > >Nope, there's Lisa and I and my mom. :) > >A.J. I'm a huge Bonsai fan, and Ken has liked what he's heard from me playing the new CD "Plain Brown Wrapper" around the house! Great, quirky harmonies, and some of the strangest songs this side of Thornhille . Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:15:15 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Oh, for the love of crap On 15 Jun 1999 11:30:35 GMT, fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) wrote: >Personally, I love disecting lyrics. As long as it is friendly and open, and >everyone accepts that noone except the author ever REALLY knows the true >meaning. Whoops! /me picks up FruWench and dusts her off a bit after she dives right into the intentional fallacy trap. You know there is no such thing as a "true" meaning Jen. This is also my answer when Jian goes off telling us what IWHO is about. "It's a song about obssession." Whatever. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:04:58 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: oh you evil, evil chad! On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:43:16 GMT, Jacey7@aol.com wrote: >I kinda stopped following all those threads when they started getting >very imapssioned (which, btw, leaves me little to read ;-). Have >people really *left* the ng?? Can I ask who? (I could sift through the >messages and find out, I suppose, but this is easier ;-)If you're >interested in what he's saying, follow his threads. If not, don't. >But please, don't leave because of it. I kinda like this place, and >I'd hate to see it go to hell over something like *this*. I agree, but let me say that this is not the first flame war to have erupted on amm-f. As friendly as we try to keep the ng, I doubt this will be the last. We've all survived before, and we'll survive again. It is sad, but shows us the value of tolerance, consideration and dialogue. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #497 ********************************************