From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #493 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, June 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 493 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Criticism: Lyric tags ["Sam I Am" ] Re: Criticism: Lyric tags [Joshua Doell Drury ] Re: You've inspired a post from me, congratulations :) ["Sam I Am" ] Re: ESP and 'XPN [Chad Maloney ] Re: Criticism: bad lyrics (long) [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queen] Re: Pre-Vault Dinner [Ambush Bug ] Re: hockey, clarenden, and bdays :) [nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Ni] Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) [katrin@dimensional.com (Katr] Laika ["Dede Crough" ] Re: Criticism: bad lyrics (long) [dalevy@aol.com (DALevy)] Re: Criticism: Lyric tags [Chad Maloney ] Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ros] Re: You've inspired a post from me, congratulations :) [Mindy J Munson ] Northampton & Ocean City [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Re: Just Wondering Who's Going To Croton/NYC &/or Boston Fleadh [Jacey7@a] Re: the war on patrick [mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie)] Re: Northampton & Ocean City ["KatieWow" ] Re: Ocean City Concert and Thornhill questions [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:41:25 -0400 From: "Sam I Am" Subject: Re: Criticism: Lyric tags This whole conversation is based on opinion. It has nothing to do with Fruvous any more. It's all a matter of interpretation and we each have our own, including the band. Let it go. - -Sam- Chad Maloney wrote in message <3765181F.5FC57F3@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu>... > >Kellogg Patrick Layne wrote: >> What's up with the little tag lines the boys sing before or >> after some of their songs? > >It's a song writing device. Repetition is used a lot in songs to get >your point across. Yeah, sometimes it drives me up the wall. A lot >of songs that have story being told in the chorus do that to me too >because everytime the chorus comes up, I'm dragged backwards in the >story of the song. Some of my favorite songs just don't even have >a chorus *grin* > >But repetition can really drive something home, especially in >political songs. It can also get stuff stuck in your head. > >As to why Fruvous uses it in songs, I'd guess it's because it >adds to the song. Whether it adds to the song or not is up to >each individual to decide. To me, sometimes it does, sometimes >it doesn't. Quite honestly, the words to Michigan Militia don't >get much attention because I'm grooving with the bass/kit the >whole time. I don't get the actual song itself much at all, >but hey, it's got good music! > >> I get the feeling that the band repeats the harmonies simply >> because THEY CAN. Because they have the parts already in their >> heads, and they can end the song on a full four-part hit. >> However, it makes for a really odd ending. To put a stronger >> word than "odd" I'd say it's a horrible ending, and the song would be >> a lot better without it. Fade out instead. Play a chord. Anything >> but end the song with a prepostional phrase. > >In my opinion, Fruvous has always been week on endings to things. They >want a closure to the song and sometimes repeating the theme, putting >a cap on it and sending it out the door, is what does it. There >have been so many decent improvs that come out sound bad as a whole >because after about 4 or 5 minutes when it should end no one could >end it so they just kept going and going and going. > >> "You Will Go To the Moon" also has an annoying tag... "orbiting >> rondel". > >To me, the Orbiting Rhondelle bit does 2 things. >- Says "Hey Acapella coming! We can sing!" >- Allows them to sync up with each others pitches and get hearing > so they can perform the rest of the song. > >Number 1 isn't really important I guess. Number 2 is damn important >because they gotta get together somehow. Sometimes it's coming >gradually (Kick in the Ass) and building on the song as each comes >in in tune. Other times they just sorta try it (I Love My Boss). >Other times it's because they have done the song so many times it's >hard to get wrong (Piece of Mind, King of Spain). YWGTTM uses the >opening chords to get together and then takes off. > > - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:01:38 -0500 From: Joshua Doell Drury Subject: Re: Criticism: Lyric tags Mocksie wrote: > Patrick, > > If you have so much negative stuff to say about Moxy Fruvous, why the hell are > you subscribing to the newsgroup? Huh? One post, starting "I LIKE Moxy Fruvous....", with a small amount of criticism, equals "so much negative stuff"? A bit of a snap judgment, methinks. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:14:02 -0400 From: "Sam I Am" Subject: Re: You've inspired a post from me, congratulations :) Allright, I havn't posted this much in my life. Needed pen and pad to look at your complaints. First - Lazlo and Laika- hadsn't been offended. Obviously other people want to know. Read the FAQ on FDC. " 12.* Who is Lazlo? What's a Laika? Lazlo is John Shotwell, Fruvous' old soundman, with them through the end of 1996 and rejoining them briefly in the summer of '97. "Lazlo" is said to be either a nickname Fruvous gave him or his professional name. They've also been heard to say that the name refers to a sprite. After John, Trevor joined the band for a few months in the spring and summer of '97, and Cal, who predates John, rejoined them after John's summer stint.Laika was a stray dog sent up in a Russian space-flight experiment--one of many, actually. She did indeed "burn up on re-entry," as the shuttle wasn't equipped to land again." Argument settled. Horseshoes - You said it yourself. A metaphore. It's a popular song among fans. Many people can relate. As for Nasal?? I consider Bob Dylan nasal. Rivervalley - Fruvous is know to have stong attitudes about the enviorment. The energy chrisis is one...many unreleased songs exist to support this - photosynthesis, Energy Choices, Efficiency, and Entropy which was released. Listen to the lyrics. Stuck in the 90's. What's wrong with having opinions. You seem to have no problems stating yours. Real men are bolder. Abby Hoffmany was wackey. Opinion. Fell in Love- Was already explained very well. Listen to the rest of the song. Drinking Song- I can't take a full explination. " Two narley dudes and some records - Much like plates of black food". Plates of black food may be compared to RECORDS. BLACK CIRCULAR OBJECTS. Bijou- Darlington. Lets see. Things to rhyme with two. It seems that the fru-lads have a large vocabulary. I think it's good that they use it. Shoe rhymes with two. So does boo. But that's lame. Do you even know what Bijou means?! Thanks for the time. Hate to post so much, but you should do your homework before you go bitchin. Many people support Moxy Fruvous. I love the band. That's my opinion. L8r all. See you at the next show Lads! - -Sam-I-Am- aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu wrote in message <7k27bg$ldt$1@isn.dac.neu.edu>... >Kevin Way wrote: > >[snip] > >: Because Laika is a song about the dog, Laika, that the Russians sent up >: into space and surprise, surprise, left her there. So the last point made >: was that the band was playing hail to the chief, that the nation was so >: happy about this, but really all they'd done was find a really expensive >: and exotic way to starve a dog to death. > >Not to be pedantic (in this newsgroup? never!), but I think Laika burned >up on re-entry, rather than starved to death. Dog-kebabs, anyone? > >- A.P. > >-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:24:17 EDT From: Leah Subject: Re: ahem... On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Angie Armstrong wrote: > the good times had (I still get jazzed when I look at my poster and think > about the Hamilton College Show!). Hamilton College! Woo Hoo! Leah - Hamilton '98 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:54:26 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: ESP and 'XPN Llesi wrote: > > Just this morning I was thinking, "golly, it's been a while since I've listened > to YWGTTM--I wanna hear Message (the funky version) and Boyfriend!" so I > brought the tape in my car and very happily listened on my way to work...and > WXPN is right at this very second playing Message!!!! Weird! (But awesome of > course!) So from the title I thought this was gonna be about ESPN and XPN and how they are related (i.e. with N as their last name). ESP and XPN. Hee Hee. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jun 1999 18:33:22 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Criticism: bad lyrics (long) Pat said: Who is Lazlo? Who is B.J.? Please, please, please, don't consider this a flame or a nasty response or anything... just genuine puzzlement... but, Who cares?? Who is Enid? Who is Jane St. Clair (and why is there an intersection with the same name in Toronto ;)? Who is Allison, or Veronica, Anna, Eleanor Rigby, or Cheryl, or "that guy"? More importantly, who is "the taxman", and why does he keep getting all my money? Sure, the band may be singing about a certain person, or experience or anything else. But I don't have to know the story to appreciate the song - I may not "get" it (and let's face it, there's a whole lot of stuff that I don't "get"). But there's nothing wrong with that neccessarily. I don't have to understand the experience of watching my grandmother deteriorate with Alzheimer's to think that Elvis Costello's "Veronica" is a great song. It just means I kick back and enjoy, rather than trying to over analyze all the time. :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:26:50 GMT From: Ambush Bug Subject: Re: Pre-Vault Dinner OK, we're still having this plan. We'll meet at 7:00 on the second floor of the light street pavilion in Harborplace and eat dinner there. Show up, say "hi", eat food, talk. (ooooh, I make it sound so exciting :) How to recognise us? I don't know. I'm tall, moderately overweight, and balding. Kate (Bunting) as not as tall and not balding. Sometimes her hair is blond, but sometimes it isn't. Christine is not tall nor balding and has long blond hair. Eric is tall, not balding, and is in good enough shape to hike from town to the standing stones while wearing armor and not get winded. (I had to take a break before we even reached the first hill). I don't know what I'll wear as I'll be coming from work. It'll be noticable (last vault show it was a "Red Meat" glow in the dark t-shirt). Mike - -- "In the cinema tonight, they sit and watch the robots fight. The human beings don't have much to say..." -- Joe Jackson, Instant Mash 1979 "Whoa." -- Keannu Reeves, The Matrix, 1999 Try my games, dammit! Get them at http://www.aliensoft.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:11:57 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: hockey, clarenden, and bdays :) On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:58:29 -0500, someone who looked like Joshua Doell Drury whispered: >Not exactly. The age 21 is absolutely irrelevant in Canada (so my 21st >birthday on Sunday will be similarly inconsequential), but I know that at >least in my province (Manitoba), driver's licenses have the year you turn >18 on them unless you've already tuned 18 when you got your license. And >you can also get an identification card from the Liquor Control >Commission, if you don't have a license. I knew THAT. (that 21 is an age of no consequence in Canada) The point I was attempting to make was that a CA ID will prove conclusively to even pea-brained bouncers that you are 18+ (there's another bar that says "Age 18 in ") or 21+ no matter what age you are or whether or not you've renewed your license since reaching the magic age. An analogous system using N instead of 21, where N is any positive integer, would also work. This (to me) seems like a simpler solution than scrambling for new ID whenever you hit a magic age. Sorry if that didn't come across. :) Happy birthday!!! - --nicole twn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:27:44 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) In article <7k3ch2$toj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, epbuckley@my-deja.com says... > just a little nitpick... i wouldn't say that. while i haven't seen any > reviews that actually said, "this show sucked," i have seen quite a few > where the reviewer was not shy about saying that this show lacked > cohesiveness, or that one was riddled with technical problems, or this > night, the guys just didn't seem to have the energy. > > the difference this time, i think, is that this one came from someone who > wasn't a ng regular. I'm reluctant to join this thread at all because I don't want to help perpetuate Patrick's little trolling fun. I've killfiled him, and I'm not responding to others' posts that quote him. The less attention that kind of person gets, the sooner they'll either go away or learn to play well with others. HAVING SAID THAT - I have no problem with critical show reviews. Sure, some shows are a better time than others, for whatever reason. What ticked me off about Patrick's first few posts (before I killfiled him) was that he wasn't being critical; he was being downright rude and insulting - to us who were at the show, to us on the newsgroup, and to the band themselves. Rather than saying he didn't like certain songs, he just talked about how stupid those songs are. Instead of asking what that strange item was that someone brought, and *why* it was there, he condemned ALL of us fans as people who bring strange items that surely must annoy the band (didn't bother to ask the band's opinion on these things, either). His hateful words toward people who disagreed with him here on the newsgroup were the hardest to take. He didn't address me personally only because he didn't know who I was, but the way he lashed out at Jordan just broke my heart. He had no way of knowing who here has already put up with too much flak lately, or how well each of us handles it; that's beside the point. There's no excuse ever to speak to a fellow human being that way. > let's face it, we're a lot more likely to be > accepting of a "this show wasn't up to par," if it comes from Chad. > because we know he knows what he's talking about. That's the key - knowing what one is talking about. It's not a matter of how long you've been part of the newsgroup or how well-known you are. It's a matter of having something of substance to say and being able to back it up. Knowing which albums the songs are on doesn't hurt either. Technically, yeah, this show wasn't the strongest of the few I've seen. The guys flew into DIA an hour before they were to be on stage (that's regularly a half-hour's drive to Denver, and about another hour to Boulder). They had no time for a sound check. There were difficulties with the equipment. They were rushed out of the venue immediately after their set because of the later show. They planned to go into the pub next door, but at least one of them was refused admission because he didn't have his ID on him. So they stood outside and talked with us and signed autographs for as long as it took to give personal attention to everyone. And they did all this knowing that they had to turn right around and get on a plane for Chicago that same night, without even any time to sleep first. I'd say that putting up any one of those factors is pretty amazing. Keeping their usual good spirits through all of them is just plain incredible. And that's not even mentioning the show they put on in the midst of it. We'd waited 8 months for them to come back to Colorado; some traveled hundreds of miles to see them; some were brand new in the audience and became confirmed admirers because of this one concert. Everyone I talked to loved the show and was eager for them to come back as soon as possible. It appears that only one person didn't have a good time. It's no less a valid experience, and it's too bad - but I still can't understand why he feels the need to take out his disappointment on the rest of us. k@ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:50:13 GMT From: "Dede Crough" Subject: Laika Actually, Laika died after being in space for 7-10 days. Some say she was poisoned, others that she was gassed, that the oxygen in the capsule ran out, or that the capsule got overheated. So while she *did* burn up in re-entry (April '58), she was already long dead. Here's HBO's version: (with a great photo, too) http://207.77.90.19/wguide/tools/pgview.html?wwbestof=Y&wwtitle=Dogs%20in%20 Space&wwdoc=http%3a%2f%2fwww.hbo.com%2fapollo%2fanimals%2fcmp%2fpage_5.html& wwmid=93939&wwdocid=840321&wwprate=0.94&wwdoctype=2 And another account: http://207.77.90.19/wguide/tools/pgview.html?wwbestof=Y&wwtitle=Dogs%20in%20 Space&wwdoc=http%3a%2f%2fwww.space.edu%2fprojects%2fbook%2fchapter12.html&ww mid=93939&wwdocid=886689&wwprate=0.85&wwdoctype=2 For some interesting perspective, check out the NY Times from 11/3/57: http://www.nytimes.com/partners/aol/special/sputnik/sput-17.html - Dede ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jun 1999 19:57:12 GMT From: dalevy@aol.com (DALevy) Subject: Re: Criticism: bad lyrics (long) > > "Darlington Darling" from _Bargainville_ > but you'll never find the right bijou > >(snotty comment) >Couldn't find a better rhyme to the word "two"? >Rhyming successive lines, as Moxy often does, >is really hard to do. While it gives a song >bounce, it tends to force you into choosing >a really bad word to complete the sentence. >Again, this is the in chorus, so to my ear, >it just grates again and again. BEEESHUUUU. Hey, I have no problems with you posting critiques and obviously you've put a lot of time and effort and thought into it all. Which is fine. But you're not always right. Bijou is an eastern Canadian word for "jewelry." In this light, the lyrics make a lot of sense. You also might be interested in seeing how a Washington Post writer interpreted the lyrics to Horseshoes. See http://www.fruvous.com/news/980726nw.html. One of the cool things about complex lyrics is that there are mutliple interpretations. Personally, I just like the idea that there are Fru-songs that I can enjoy just on the surface but that can have much deeper significance if I pay more attention. It's not for everyone, though, and that's OK. Cheers. Doug Levy DALevy(at)(nospamplease)AOL(dot)com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:00:19 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Criticism: Lyric tags Sam I Am wrote: > > This whole conversation is based on opinion. It has nothing to do with > Fruvous any more. It's all a matter of interpretation and we each have our > own, including the band. Let it go. 1) Please don't reply with the whole body of the message you are replying to. For people who download the messages over modems, it takes a long time. It also makes it harder to read digested version from the Mail<--->News Gateway. 2) Let what go? "This whole conversation is based on opinion. It has nothing to do with Fruvous any more." ?? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Can we only discuss Fruvous facts here and otherwise are doomed to endless offtopicness? To me, this newsgroup is for expressing our interpretations and opinions and discussing them in a bulliten board style setting. Isn't that what is going on? There's no raging factual debate that's gonna have a winner and loser decided at the end. Three or four days from now we are gonna start talking about Underoos or the various forms of glasses all 6 travelling Fruvites can be seen in from time to time and this whole discussion will be passed. Why try to force that time frame by reprimanding people who are enjoying participation in the thread, hmm? - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:03:54 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:01:29 GMT, Ellen wrote: > >perhaps patrick's biggest problem was that he didn't first make himself >known as a worthy contributor. ;) quick, someone send him one of those >"netiquette" guides. > >peace, >ellen *Not* directed at you Ellen, but I don't think it's Patrick who needs the etiquette guide. Ross, someone remind me of that first amendment thing you US folks have? "Right here, right now. Right here, right now. Right here, right now. Right here, right now." - Fatboy Slim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:18:30 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: You've inspired a post from me, congratulations :) My Golly Golly Gosh! I was going to reply to Pat's post but I couldn't have said It more perfectly than Kevin did. I'd like to esp thank Kev for these words o wisdom: >> or that the picture >> of a guy nailed to a cross is anything but a >> disgusting image of tortur, I think > >> you're a bit off if you put your arms >> around each other and sway to the beat. >> (and I've been guilty of it, too) > >And not to be flammable and rude here, but I think you're a bit off if you >insult somebody's religion. It's not mine, I don't really have one. But I >respect it. It's called tolerance and opening your mind, it's pretty >neat. As for putting arms around each other and swaying to the beat... >well first of all, I've never seen a line actually stay on the beat :-) >but I think it's amazing. In today's world, with all of today's problems, >where else do you see people putting their arms around total strangers, and >singing a song without anybody stealing each other's wallets? Silly? >maybe. a bad thing? never. seeing as how these two criticisms hurt me the most. One q though... >the fact that you don't like Phish Food doesn't mean that it should Now, honestly. who in the world could not enjoy this wonderful treat =+) fruchild, *canoodle!* ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:47:38 EDT From: Leah Subject: Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Katrin wrote: > > That's the key - knowing what one is talking about. It's not a matter of > how long you've been part of the newsgroup or how well-known you are. > It's a matter of having something of substance to say and being able to > back it up. Knowing which albums the songs are on doesn't hurt either. > I really truly believe that knowing which album a song is on is not a prerequisite to posting an opinion in this ng. Sometimes it takes a new person with a fresh opinion to allow us to re-examen our own opinions... Leah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:31:16 GMT From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: Re: boulder show review - the non-violent approach >So how many people are, like me, wondering if WE are >the ones that Chad filters out (I suspect given my >tendency to babble on non-Fruvously, I am probably at >the top of his list) ... hehe, me was wondering the same thing, and getting a litle hurt at that! - -jen === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:58:04 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: OC Ticket Update of Sorts hey everyone :). just thought i'd let you in on a piece of information. the woman at the box office at the music pier says that tickets will be available "whenever they get them from the printer." i'll be calling every day, probably, and will e-mail chris as soon as i find out what the hell's going on. ~~kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org ***************************************************************** "Quite frankly, I wish the website would just go down . . . we're starting to make a little bit of money. It's a disaster." "We're about the music." - --The guys, West Coast Live **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:27:08 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Northampton & Ocean City Just when I'm seriously considering unsubscribing from the newsgroup, I come up with a question I really need to ask here. Who is going to both Northampton and Ocean City, and would be able to give me a ride between the two? And then after Ocean City, who's headed to Philadelphia and can give me a lift to the airport? (Lori, are you going?) Apologies if all this has been discussed before; I wasn't planning to go and so didn't pay close attention to those threads. I'm trying to figure out an itinerary - my birthday's the day between those shows and I'd really like to make it to both (while Tom's at his game-geek convention in Vegas). Post or e-mail me if you can help. Thanks! k@ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:11:01 GMT From: Jacey7@aol.com Subject: Re: Just Wondering Who's Going To Croton/NYC &/or Boston Fleadh Just this morning I ordered my ticket for Croton (I'm sure dad'll understand-- after all, if he didn't have to visit grandpa, he'd have come along as well! ;-). I'm just going up for Sunday, and will have a 9-year-old in tow for her very first concert ;-)I look forward to meeting any and all in attendance. ~jen - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23." --Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."-- Rent Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jun 1999 22:17:51 GMT From: mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie) Subject: Re: the war on patrick Once again, to defend myself, I do not believe that "pansy" is a homosexual slur, and neither do the other 4 people in my house at this moment. It's not MY fault that you have distorted definitions of a commonly used term. My best friend said "pansy is like a weenie boy"... which, again... I stand by in the context that I used it. It was a pleasure belonging to your newsgroup, but I can no longer belong to this, as I am a fan of Moxy and I refuse to witness my favorite band, and myself, put down. I will continue to use the word "pansy." ...."that he'd think less of anyone who'd just disagree." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:26:53 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Northampton & Ocean City (i apologize--my mail clients are uglified and i can't reply to author) k@--e-mail me with logistics. i plan to go to both of those shows. you can even stay with me between :). ~~kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org ***************************************************************** "Quite frankly, I wish the website would just go down . . . we're starting to make a little bit of money. It's a disaster." "We're about the music." - --The guys, West Coast Live **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:56:54 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Ocean City Concert and Thornhill questions On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:10:26 -0500, Chad Maloney wrote: >Trout Fishing in America is a folk group. Acoustic upright bass for all >you bass-fanatics. I've only seen them once at the Philly Folk Fest >awhile back, but they put on a good show. He had an electric upright bass at Spring Gulch. Just thought you'd like to know :) - -- Trace trace@frumail.org AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #493 ********************************************