From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #414 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, May 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 414 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: and the pens take game three!! [bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Brent McNa] Re: The Polish Piano??? [bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Brent McNamee)] Re: King of Spain [bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Brent McNamee)] re: fruvous dream [Larry Dietrich ] Re: and the pens take game three!! [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.quee] Re: King of Spain [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] re: fruvous dream [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Re: fruvous dream [aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu] THIS IS FOR REAL ! ["Stewart" ] OT: sex on a stick [Cheesemaker Gem ] OT: sex on a stick [Cheesemaker Gem ] Re: King of Spain [srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n)] hellooooo anyone out there? [srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n)] Re: hellooooo anyone out there? [remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat)] Re: hellooooo anyone out there? ["Sam I Am" ] attention 2 people from the 5/8mf-5/15 tmbg bowery show line: please [Sky] Re: OT-RENT [Mindy J Munson ] Re: hellooooo anyone out there? ["Zainab" ] Re: OT-RENT [Mindy J Munson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 04:05:00 GMT From: bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Brent McNamee) Subject: Re: and the pens take game three!! On Wed, 12 May 1999 17:42:27 GMT, firedancer wrote: >pens 4; leafs 3 > >hehehehe Who's laughing NOW, o Pittsburgh fan that you are??? That'd be a 4-1 win for the LEAFS tonight, bringing the series to 3-2. Oh - what was that? Yes, the LEAFS only need one more game to move on!!! YYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!! ----------[ Brent McNamee - Woodstock, Ontario, CANADA ]----------- bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com | The answer to the Great (remove the NOSPAM. to mail me) | Question of Life, the Universe http://www.interlog.com/~brentm/ | and Everything: 42 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 03:58:07 GMT From: bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Brent McNamee) Subject: Re: The Polish Piano??? On Wed, 12 May 1999 21:02:46 -0400, "KatieWow" wrote: >doh! i was aware of only the t-shirt brent and therefore attributed the >dawn of the "way to go murray" to him. >my sincerest apologies. BTW--who's brent and who's Brent? Well, I'm Brent from Toronto, the "f--cker and peasant" who started the whole "Way to go Murray" thing (although I actually said "All right Murray!!!", and it just got changed by Jian...) Anyway, I'm not the other Brent, or t-shirt fame - the guy from the 'States who made the Frücon II shirts... BTW, a few people have noticed my absence lately - I spend most of my online time looking for a job out here in Woodstock, Ontario. I moved out here March 7th, and the job hunt's not going very well, so for now I truck it out to Toronto every day (1.5 hour drive each way - yuck!) ----------[ Brent McNamee - Woodstock, Ontario, CANADA ]----------- bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com | The answer to the Great (remove the NOSPAM. to mail me) | Question of Life, the Universe http://www.interlog.com/~brentm/ | and Everything: 42 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 04:18:41 GMT From: bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Brent McNamee) Subject: Re: King of Spain On 16 May 1999 03:11:55 GMT, jtprsuivnt@aol.com (JTPrsuivnt) wrote: >When the king of Spain mentions all the minimum wage jobs he's working, he >talks about "the Pizza Pizza". I've never heard of this. Pizza Pizza is a medium size pizza chain in Ontario, mainly Toronto. They have very good pizza IMHO... Their trademark is their phone number - in Toronto it's 967-11-11. Wherever they go, they always get a phone number ending in eleven-eleven. There is a Pizza Pizza store on Bloor Street in Toronto, just east of where the guys got their start busking outside the Bloor Cinema, right across the street from Lee's Palace. Unfortunately, they don't have a web site to refer you to, but at the FrüCon a whole bunch of people got their picture taken inside and outside of the store - anyone care to post one on a page and/or give the URL here? ----------[ Brent McNamee - Woodstock, Ontario, CANADA ]----------- bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com | The answer to the Great (remove the NOSPAM. to mail me) | Question of Life, the Universe http://www.interlog.com/~brentm/ | and Everything: 42 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 05:39:01 GMT From: Larry Dietrich Subject: re: fruvous dream Cheesemaker Gem wrote in <19990515082613.19092.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com>: >But i have to admit i would lose a little respect for >them to want to get caught up in a market like that. >Im not saying they would lose the integrity and talent >they have now, but it would be a pretty sad state of >affairs if there ever comes a time where i'll equate >fruvous with the backstreet boys or Barenaked Ladies >or the like. >However, i dont feel that time will ever come, as the >music of fruvous is "too good" to have a large >commercial appeal. Which to me is a good thing, as I >view the commercial market as a cesspool of fake crap >and the fans of such as trend-following blind sheep. > >I guess its harsh but i feel strongly about this. > >does anyone agree with me or at least, isnt reeling >from what i said? Here's an observation or two about the course of this thread, from a relative newbie. For what they're worth. Of course you all feel a certain pride of ownership in the band. You are among the first to recognize it as something special.I still feel extra fondness for Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits just because I was early (among my circle of friends) to say, "Gee, that guitarist is really good, and those are nice songs." It's natural, and I don't think anyone should feel bad about it unless you start looking down your noses at latecomers (like me). Arrogance is bad. Pride is good. And I think this natural tendency is made more pronounced by the unusual relationship the band had with its fans. The earlybirds aren't only early, in many cases they've developed personal relationships with the guys, and that's truly rare. You SHOULD feel special. But many of these posts seem to assume that the band MUST abandon its principles to achieve commercial success. I don't think that follows. There's no doubt that talent and creativity separate good bands from bad, but it's also true that there are plenty of anonymous bands with both talent and creativity. They don't make it just because they never find themselves in the right place at the right time, or because they can't catch a break, or whatever. Success in these cases isn't a matter of betrayal of principles, but of luck. Maybe the guys will get "lucky," which is to say, perhaps, write a song that's not really BETTER than all they've written already, but just strikes a chord and brings them acclaim and attention. Perhaps they'll just be in the right soda fountain when the movie mogul walks in, to stretch a metaphor. So, I'd say let's not assume they have to be different to succeed. At the same time, I think they aren't likely to achieve that kind of commercial success, because (a) the demand for intelligent music (or tv or films or anything) already lags far behind the supply, and (b) if they were interested in changing their approach as part of some sort of quest to be more commercial, it would have happened already. I recommend treasuring this time, because the danger isn't that they'll go commercial on us. Rather, that they'll just mature, their needs and desires as people will change, and being what they are now will no longer be what they want to be....then they'll give up the touring and the hassle and all that and become music teachers, or studio musicians, or stock brokers or screenwriters or producers or whatever. Larry Dietrich ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 1999 06:06:33 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: and the pens take game three!! Yeah!! Brent the peasant's back!!! Woodstock, huh?? Ouch... good luck. I know the pain of the Toronto commute. But I take the GO Train, so it's a little more bearable than the QEW, Gardiner or the DVP :) Veronica (yeah Leafs!!) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 1999 06:17:20 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: King of Spain Actually, Pizza Pizza has grown a lot in the last few years. My friend out in NS said they have it there. Not bad for what started out as a little pizza joint in Toronto. But I have to agree - Pizza Pizza makes a darn good pizza. It's not greasy like a lot of the chains we have around here. But yes, it does exist, complete with gross orange signs and dorky radio jingle (967-11-11, call Pizza Pizza, hey hey hey... some marketing genius obviously came up with that one) :) Veronica (currently in the land of 427-11-11, and can never remeber if 547-11-11 in Kingston is to call a pizza or a taxi... there's only one number difference - the 7, obviously) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:36:33 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: re: fruvous dream In article <8DC8104F6dtrichdreamscapecom@news.dreamscape.com>, dtrich@dreamscape.com says... > And I think this natural tendency is made more pronounced by the unusual > relationship the band had with its fans... and > But many of these posts seem to assume that the band MUST abandon its > principles to achieve commercial success. I don't think that follows... and > So, I'd say let's not assume they have to be different to succeed. and a lot of other really good stuff. And I feel moved to add to add these words of wisdom, which are not originally mine, but come from *Action Girl's Guide To Living* (http://www.houseoffun.com/action/guide.htm and I'm reasonably sure I won't get blasted for posting that) by Sarah Dyer: "RULE 8: Forget the 'Scene.' Well, not entirely, but discard the idea that a thing has to be really underground to be legitimate. True, some bands start to suck when they sign to major labels ... but it's not universally true. Good work is good, no matter what forum it's presented in - whether it's an independent work seen by 15 people or a huge production seen by millions." k@ ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 1999 07:09:49 GMT From: aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu Subject: Re: fruvous dream Katrin wrote: : "RULE 8: Forget the 'Scene.' Well, not entirely, but discard the idea : that a thing has to be really underground to be legitimate. True, some : bands start to suck when they sign to major labels ... but it's not : universally true. Good work is good, no matter what forum it's presented : in - whether it's an independent work seen by 15 people or a huge : production seen by millions." Oh, I don't think any of us were disputing that Fruvous' music would suffer artistically if they "went commercial" or just happened to hit it big. It's more of a question of whether we'll still be able to see them without binoculars at their concerts. - - A.P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:57:18 GMT From: "Stewart" Subject: THIS IS FOR REAL ! OK, we are going to give you the power! You have worked with other companies or heard the sad tales of woe from frustrated networkers. What if you could put together the ideal network marketing company? What characteristics would you build into your company? 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Nope. - -Robert Zeal _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:03:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: OT: sex on a stick ..i mean woah nelly > break me off a piece of that > sex on a stick kind of cool.... OMIGOD!! i thought i was the only one who said that!!! SEXONASTICK!!! HEEHEE!!! hehehe did you get it from SNL? thats where i first heard it and i found myself saying it all the time, to refer to someone as extremely sexy. as in, "that <> is SEXONASTICK!" frucontent: what about this 7/11 TO date? who is going? i most likely will, and if its at a 19+ venue, I CAN GO!!!! i will be 19 on june 12 YIP YIP! - -jen === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 1999 17:15:25 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: King of Spain Brent the God of Canadian Knowledge wrote: >Pizza Pizza is a medium size pizza chain in Ontario, mainly Toronto. >They have very good pizza IMHO... They're in Western Québec too. >Their trademark is their phone number - in >Toronto it's 967-11-11. 737-1111. And I haven't even lived there since 1995. :) - -- Lori ******************************* Lori's Strange and Wonderful World! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html Früvous/amm-f factoids galore! (courtesy of Colleen Campbell): http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 1999 02:21:29 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) Subject: hellooooo anyone out there? just checking to see if the server's down or what. The last message I see was posted 10.5 hours ago ... that strikes me as really weird. - -- Lori, control-freaking as usual ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 1999 02:25:28 GMT From: remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat) Subject: Re: hellooooo anyone out there? i'm not here. Oi. Corey H. Orange (formerly Mandy80sFolkie) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...and who are you?" "We're the Monster Sqaud." {http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Square/6393} ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:45:18 -0400 From: "Sam I Am" Subject: Re: hellooooo anyone out there? I'm here! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Not the beatles" REMcoat wrote in message <19990516222528.17702.00001533@ng-ba1.aol.com>... >i'm not here. >Oi. Corey H. Orange (formerly Mandy80sFolkie) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"...and who are you?" "We're the Monster Sqaud." >{http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Square/6393} ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 03:19:32 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: attention 2 people from the 5/8mf-5/15 tmbg bowery show line: please hey 2 people from the TMBG line last night(5/15) on the bowery....i was wondering if you know what the encore of the 7:30 show was b/c i had to leave right after Dr Worm...im talking to the girl and the guy w/ the swell glasses who were standing against the wall stage murray @ hoboken....the same 2 people i talked to on line outside last night....just wondering about the songs i missed...that's all:) any help would be apprieciated happy thoughts and pixie dust - -deb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 03:18:12 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: OT-RENT On 14 May 1999 02:33:49 GMT mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie) writes: >Am I the only fruvous fan who absolutely *HATES* Rent, and anything >rent >related? If I hear 525,600 minutes one more time I'll shoot myself. yes, you are =+) That was the last song sung at my last performance at my old high school and I cry every time i hear it (what the hell is it with me crying because of songs??? ie. drinking song) anyway... yay. It kicked super a$$ and they were wonderful. I will go into all the details the same time I find a day to read 170 messages fruchild, *canoodle!* ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:59:51 -0500 From: "Zainab" Subject: Re: hellooooo anyone out there? Yikes! The server has been down so much lately, that when I hadn't heard from y'all, I just figured it was down. I wonder if that's what everybody else thought and so they didn't even try to post, therefore perpetuating this belief..... Zainab or they could just be out enjoying the beautiful weather (it's been gorgeous here in Nashville!) Srm9988n wrote in message <19990516222129.13043.00001341@ng-fh1.aol.com>... >just checking to see if the server's down or what. The last message I see was >posted 10.5 hours ago ... that strikes me as really weird. > >-- Lori, control-freaking as usual ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 03:10:02 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: OT-RENT wow. its been a while since I read ng (wed) 170 messages... umm yes bender..... one question... did Benny divorce his wife in the end? I didn't understand how he was all chummy chummy in the end fruchild, who was flipping out at the fact that "Mark" looked *just like* ELVIS COSTELLO! *canoodle!* On Thu, 13 May 1999 05:59:36 EDT "Leah Bender" writes: >Coolness! RENT is one of my other obsessions... (I'm seeing it a week >from >Sunday, heehee) If you have any questions about it, since the >storyline is >so smegging impossible to follow, or questions about anything >Broadway-related, for that matter, that's where Fender-Bender takes >action... :) > >-Bender > >>From: Mindy J Munson >>To: AMMF@fruvous.com >>Subject: OT-RENT >>Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 04:11:36 GMT >> >>I hope ot means off topic, not on topic ... anyway... Im seeing Rent >>tomorrow! YAY! I've only heard a little of the music and I like >what >>I've heard. All my friends say how wonderful it is so Im real >excited! >>And I sure as hell need/deserve a break. >> >> >>fruchild, who must regretfully tell the single frugals that my bro >won't >>be catching shows anytime soon unless they are in Rochester. >>*canoodle!* >> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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