From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #413 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, May 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 413 Today's Subjects: ----------------- help with noise reduction ["Hell Hotel" ] Re: Fruvously correctness on MP3 [aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu] OT:Re: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion ["A.J. LoCicero" ] re: fruvous dream [Cheesemaker Gem ] Re: Any one from Buffalo? [cheesemonkey_fruvite@my-dejanews.com] Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry)] Re: help with noise reduction [The Great Quux ] Re: Fruvously correctness on MP3 [Daniel Lerner ] Re: New Tour Dates? [dalevy@aol.com (DALevy)] Re:Fruvous in large venues: was post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long) [Aryn - Ma] Re: Commercial recognition (was Re: post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long)) [cric] Re: Fruvous in large venues: was post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long) ["A.J. Lo] MORE HOCKEY.... [Ella Hinton ] Re: OT: Guster [Ella Hinton ] Re: An actual inquiry about the band [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.qu] Re: MORE HOCKEY.... [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] King of Spain [jtprsuivnt@aol.com (JTPrsuivnt)] more fruvous misnomers... [shalini trivedi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 May 1999 04:31:22 GMT From: "Hell Hotel" Subject: help with noise reduction Hey all, ok so here's my problem, I'm workin in Sound Forge to take sound files from my live tapes and of course there is plenty of hiss in some of my favorites. now I've d/led the demo version of sonic foundry's noise reduction plug-in and worked with it enough to be able to ditch most of the hiss in my recordings but the demo leaves blips and bleeps so as to make it worthless. what I'm asking is if anyone has the actual plug-in and is willing to send it to me, i would be very very greatfull. I would go buy it myself but as a poor college student i'm not at leisure to be spending $400 on something like this. - -Eric HellHotel@tmbg.org ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 1999 05:50:43 GMT From: aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu Subject: Re: Fruvously correctness on MP3 Daniel Lerner wrote: : A mp3 is a music file for your computer. You take a wav file and : compress it into an mp3. so that teh say 300 mb file takes up only 3 or : 4mb, but still has "cd like" quality. So what you could do is record : songs off CD and play them off your comp. If only the compression were that good.... It's usually 10:1 or 12:1 or so. A 40 MB file usually gets down to about 4MB (not 300... :) - - A.P. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 05:38:23 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: OT:Re: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion Richard Butterworth wrote: > But anyway people seem to think its a bad idea and I'm happy with that, I just > miss the input from old friends and would like them back. So would I Richard, and I'm sure so would many people, but I don't think it is just a matter of on-topic vs. off-topic posts. If we were to cut out all off-topic posting as of today, would that bring Zard or Chris T. back? Or Jason, or Dan J. or Laurie A. or even cee? I don't necessarily think so. There are probably many reasons which contribute to someone vanishing from AMMF. Frustration with noise level is only one of them. I know cee has other irons in the fire now, and I suspect the same of Zard and Chris. We blame it all on off-topic or "immature" posts but I really don't think that is all that is at work here. I think people evolve as people and as fans, and I think that due to that process the newsgroup can loose interest to them. As I have stated before, there are many recurring discussions on the newsgroup. As an old timer I may not want to talk about the meaning of BJ don't Cry, as I've already read the extended discussion from 2 years ago. Sure there IS new material to talk about, but that kind of intense focus just doesn't last forever. People get involved in other things. Also another factor that (I believe) contributes to the loss of old-timers is that they know and are friends with each other, and do not know the newer people that well. When their friends leave, there is a lot less impetus for them to stay. AMMF is no longer a social connection for them. Yes there are new people for them to meet, but reasonably how many people from 800 miles away can you really maintain relationships with? Plus there is the age factor. The new people tend to be younger if for no other reason than the prime "discovery" age for fruvous seems to be between 18 and 22. Since the old-timers have aged as years have gone by, they no longer have as much in common with the younger newer people. That is not to say that there is anything wrong with the younger set, but it is a fact that age affects interests and interpersonal relationships. Obviously these are generalizations. There are plenty of exceptions to be cited. I'll stipulate to that right now, so you don't have to bother with any "but I'm new and I'm 36" posts. The fact is that the trend we see in AMMF seems to be a common one in all fan-oriented newsgroups and mailing lists. As time goes on and new people enter the group, the veteran people lose some of their intense interest and retire to mostly lurking or disappear altogether. I'm no happier about that than anyone else, but I think it helps to know that many others find themselves in similar situations no matter what they are fans of. Anyway enough of my rambling. Go look at the pictures of my daughter already! :) A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 1999 02:49:43 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) LOL!!! When I was a kid my father and grandmother did a tour of Germany and Austria (where my Oma grew up - she took me there last summer) and my father was thisclose to bringing my mother back a shirt that translated to "There are no kangaroos in Austria". :) :) Veronica (who just got off the phone after calling Australia and leaving the world's most *expensive* message on a machine even though I e-mailed that I would be calling today at this time for a *week*! If they're not out of bed yet... grrrrr.....) ....HASH KEY????!!!! What the...? That's one of those weird Australian things again, isn't it? :) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:32:25 GMT From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: re: fruvous dream > Well....I'm sure most of us feel like we do, in a > way. They're OUR > boys, some of us know them, the rest of us just feel > like we do. For some, > Fruvous was their first concert, which holds alot of > sentiment, and for most, > I'm sure, it was their best concert(s). You just > can't love a band like that > and not feel a little possesive thinking about what > would happen if they went > mainstream. It's sad. > can anyone clarify what the hell I'm trying to say? > : ) > I feel like I'm babbling. > > -jess > the jealous-possesive-control freak who can't bear > the thought of the boys on > mtv, stuffed between 'n sync and koRn : ( i totally agree with you. if fruvous went mainstream, i would probably end up hating them. im exaggerating, of course, but i would not feel the same way about them as i do now. I look at Korn and Nsynch and Britney Spears and the like with scorn and distaste, as they are crappy manufactured commerical poppy bands with little talent, just ubiquitous commercial appeal. i cant see fruvous having commerical appeal because they are a band of incredible talent and integrity and i respect them so much for that. I would definitely not want to see Fruvous gain any commerical success, for some of the reasons that some people have put forth. I as well would want to clock someone over the head for saying "hey, this new frugus band is pretty cool!" or some shit. But of course, who am i to say the i dont want to see Fruvous gain commercial success? If they want it, then they should go for it. But i have to admit i would lose a little respect for them to want to get caught up in a market like that. Im not saying they would lose the integrity and talent they have now, but it would be a pretty sad state of affairs if there ever comes a time where i'll equate fruvous with the backstreet boys or Barenaked Ladies or the like. However, i dont feel that time will ever come, as the music of fruvous is "too good" to have a large commercial appeal. Which to me is a good thing, as I view the commercial market as a cesspool of fake crap and the fans of such as trend-following blind sheep. I guess its harsh but i feel strongly about this. does anyone agree with me or at least, isnt reeling from what i said? - -jen === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:46:40 GMT From: cheesemonkey_fruvite@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Any one from Buffalo? In article <373C1BDB.FEFECFD0@rit.edu>, Paul Mischler wrote: > No, Früvous will not be at Thursday in the Square this year :( > > New York Tour dates: > http://www.fruvous.com/map/newyor.html > > Thursday in the Square info: > http://www.buffaloplace.com/events_thurs.html > > The last show in Buffalo was at the Tralfamadore Cafe, 11/6, 11/7 98. > Before that, there was Media Play in Niagara Falls, 7/10/98/ > and Lafayette Square on 6/4/98. > > -Paul Mischler sorry paul, i meant when was the last time they played Thursday in the Square :) shoulda been more clear. - -jen - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:06:08 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) On Fri, 14 May 1999 01:44:40 +0100, Richard Butterworth wrote: >Ross Hendry passed a crown (ooof! painful): > >> >> G'day ... >> >> >> >> i'm a new moxy fruvous fan.. in Australia.. >> >> Right! Richard? Get the maps out mate! >> >> Erm, I think you may be right. > >Naaah, Australia's in Europe. Isn't Vienna its capital? > >By the way Ross, did you vote for Sean Connery last week then? > >Geographically, shaken, not stirred, >Richard Did I feck! Not old enough anyway. You can imagine the scene in the SNP offices can't you? "Oh no, we're lagging dangerously behind in the polls...let's draft in Sean Connery! He hasn't lived in the country for years! What a good idea!" Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 04:25:38 -0400 From: The Great Quux Subject: Re: help with noise reduction Hell Hotel wrote: > willing to send it to me, i would be very very greatfull. I would go buy it > myself but as a poor college student i'm not at leisure to be spending $400 > on something like this. I use the phenomenally more affordable GoldWave (www.goldwave.com) which also does pretty good noise reduction and editing of large files and such. And it's only like $30 bucks or so, and you can use the shareware version to see if you like it! Such a deal... - -- Mike Russo, www.walrus.com/~stardate, Brooklyn, NY -- "I hereby declare our city a free and independent state to be named Tri-Insula!" --Fernando Wood, Mayor of NYC 1861 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 15:44:47 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: New Tour Dates? Well! Looks like I may have scooped FDC. According to http://www.pollstar.com there are a couple of new Fruvous dates that we haven't been told about yet. Santa Cruz, CA on 6/4, and *Toronto, ON* on 7/11. What can I say but Woo Hoo! A.J. (Now, we gotta call some friends in CA who should see Fruvous!) - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:15:05 -0400 From: Daniel Lerner Subject: Re: Fruvously correctness on MP3 oops. i love my typos. One day I learn to proofread things. Probably not any time soon. Just got a lab back in optics where I had held the zero down to long in the write up and listed a value as 80000 instead of 800, giving me a nice error reading of a few thousand percent. maybe i can make up for it by creating some new ultracompression mp3...30mb to 30k? dan - -- "If cloning is outlawed then only outlaws will have clones" Sifyl humor of Dan and Stan: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/worldupsidedown RITCK Online: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/ritcirclek ICQ: 6976841 IM: wwwwud ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 1999 17:15:44 GMT From: dalevy@aol.com (DALevy) Subject: Re: New Tour Dates? Santa Cruz? Cool. Anyone want to car pool? Doug SF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:20:32 GMT From: Aryn - Marietta Eaton Subject: Re:Fruvous in large venues: was post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long) - --- Jacey7 wrote: > > Angie, who *had* to go and ask it, said: > > >>What happens when they outgrow these wonderfully > intimate venues and play > Commercially Memorial Auditoriums and Arenas?<< Okay, here's my tuppence worth. My frined and I have actually stayed up disscussing this and this is the conclusion we've drawn. One of the things we all seem to agree on is that Fruvous is best live, and one of the things that makes Fruvous live so great is the banter and the conection with the audiance. If Fruvous moves to bigger venue's that conection is probibly not going to reach beyond the frist few rows of the audiance. I think this will frustrate the band a lot, and influnece the quality of the show. (Whats the first thing that has been mentioned in reviews lately, the lack of banter) To use a comparison with my favorite "big" band U2. When they first started playin clubs in the states 20 years ago their popualrity spread by word of mouth and because their live showes had a lot of connection with the audaince. As they moved to larger venues Bono nearly drove himself distracted trying to keep up that connection with the folks in the back rows of the theatres. However, the major difference between U2 and Fruvous is the sound of their music. Every article I've read said that from the beginning U2's music was biggger than the venue's they played. Everyone knew they would end up playing stadiums because their music was bigg enough to fill them. Fruvous, in my oppion dosen't play that kind of music. I just can't hear "the drinking song" in an arena. I think it would get lost. I'll stop rambiling now, I have to go put up a tent Aryn, getting ready for her first SCA camping event! === ******************************************************************** IT WILL BE A DAY LONG REMEMBERED.... SEVEN DAY'S FROM NOW ALL WILL HAVE BEEN REVIELED AND THE FORCE WILL FLOW THROUGH US ONCE MORE ******************************************************************** _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:05:55 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Commercial recognition (was Re: post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long)) In article <373B71EB.6E7B8BB1@mdxNONASTYJUNKMAILPLEASE.ac.uk>, richard6@mdxNONASTYJUNKMAILPLEASE.ac.uk wrote: > Chad Maloney wrote: > > > I don't think that is true at all. They are trying to gain Commercial > > Recognition right now. But they are trying to do it on their > > terms and > > not MTV's or MuchMusic's or their label's terms. > > Hmm. I'm interested in what `success in their own terms' means. Critical > recognition? A huge fan base where each and every fan is certified to be a > Very Lovely Person? (I think) I know what success means in Ani DiFranco's > terms and it would appear that she's phenomenally successful in those terms. > Do you think Fruvous has similar terms? > Well, I cringe from speaking for the band, so I'll say what I would like to see for this band. I would like to see them financially sucessful and acclaimed by music critics while still writing music from their hearts and not following some sort of fill-in-blank songwriting formula for success suggested by record labels, media, fans, etc. I think they're following their muse right now and hopefully success will follow. A few years ago, mainstream music seemed to be all one style, but the doors have opened to new sounds and now I hear people I never thought I'd hear on the commercial stations in Philadelphia. Sure, there are a lot of great artists being overlooked, but who would have thought that BNL, Cake, Semisonic, Celine Dion, Alanis Morrisette and the Backstreet Boys could all be played on the same station? People seem to be open to that right now, so maybe Fruvous is catching the tide at just the right point. I'm just wishing them well. Mary - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:25:24 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Fruvous in large venues: was post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long) Aryn - Marietta Eaton wrote: > Every > article I've read said that from the beginning U2's > music was biggger than the venue's they played. > Everyone knew they would end up playing stadiums > because their music was bigg enough to fill them. > Fruvous, in my oppion dosen't play that kind of > music. I just can't hear "the drinking song" in an > arena. I think it would get lost. This is a very good point. Despite their recent movements in a more rock and rolly direction, The closest genre to what Fruvous does is really the singer-songwriter thing now erroneously called "Folk." "Folk" acts do not play stadiums. They can't really. The sound quality in a place designed for football just doesn't hold up when you are using acoustic instrumentation and have lyrics that actually NEED to be heard. Pretty much, the biggest acts in this genre play large theatres and music halls along with outdoor music festivals. I predict that that is the largest venue you will ever see Fruvous play (aside from maybe singing Oh Canada and the Star Spangled Banner (Ha! That'll be the day!) at a Bluejay's game. 4-5 thousand, Maybe 10 thousand at a really big outdoor event. I think that is what you can expect if Fruvous ever gets really big. Of course that size is still big enough to compromise the intimacy factor, but that goes with the territory. Still, perhaps things will remain kind of mixed. I've seen Arlo Guthrie at Meadowbrook, which is a good-sized outdoor amphitheater. I've also seen him at The Ark. I don't think his popularity has shifted much in the last 25 years, so I guess it is safe to say that some artists are able to play different sized houses at different times without too much trouble. The other thing to remember is that the band themselves have said that they did not like being teenybopper idols. Wood was a reaction to their experience of being "famous." The fact that that album pretty much killed their popularity in Canada indicates the lack of depth that their early popularity had. I really can't imagine them going down that road again. That is why they have been doing the grass roots thing, and why they seem to be happy being on an indie label. My impression is that success on Fruvous' terms would be to have a large audience of fans that "get" their music and provide enough revenue to allow them to live comfortably while touring with a much more reasonable schedule. They clearly would like to have the time to work on some of the other projects that are swimming around in their heads (musicals, books, solo albums etc.) and I'm sure they'd like to have a ready-made audience who would want to check out these new works. I think they (or at least Jian) :) might also like enough fame to have easy access to the media so that they could speak to the masses when they had something to say. Ok, I had not really intended to post on this topic, but I really liked that observation about the size of the music. Sometimes I just can't help myself. :) A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:52:07 -0400 From: Ella Hinton Subject: MORE HOCKEY.... Sabres blank the Bruins, 3-0. GO BUFFALO! And the series is 3-1... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:04:56 -0400 From: Ella Hinton Subject: Re: OT: Guster I love Guster, Saw them threee times last summer here in Boston :-) Daniel Lerner wrote: > Guster is def worth a trip to buffalo. Especially if I'm still in > Rochester. I learned of them only days after my first Fruvous concert. A > friend I went with told me if I liked Moxy, I'd like Guster as well. > Turns out she was right. > > Dan > > -- > "If cloning is outlawed then only outlaws will have clones" Sifyl > humor of Dan and Stan: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/worldupsidedown > RITCK Online: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/ritcirclek > > ICQ: 6976841 IM: wwwwud ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 1999 03:06:28 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: An actual inquiry about the band Oh, those wacky French Canadians!!! Although, there's something about them that makes every bit of french I know fly out of my head when my mouth opens... :) Veronica (please, let it go...) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 1999 03:10:01 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: MORE HOCKEY.... WOOHOOO!!!!! GO LEAFS!!!!!!!!! That is all. Time to do a happy dance. 'Cause of that, and the possible Fru-date in Toronto. Only problem is that it's the same day as the Starlight (dust?) Picnic, which features GBS, 54-40 and Blue Rodeo - all in one place (in this case, Fort York in TO). Good thing I'm going to the picnic in Kingston at Fort Henry, eh? :) Veronica, a very happy Trombone Girl - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 1999 03:11:55 GMT From: jtprsuivnt@aol.com (JTPrsuivnt) Subject: King of Spain OK, Canadian Fruvous fans, I suppose you're wondering why I've called you here. The fact is, as an untutored American, I rely completely on your knowledge to understand the obscure local refferences in the band's lyrics. And I need you to help me out with something. Think it's feasible? I am ignorant. You are gods. I kiss your boots. There, I said it. Now help me already. When the king of Spain mentions all the minimum wage jobs he's working, he talks about "the Pizza Pizza". I've never heard of this. I assume it's a Canadian chain like Chapters or Eaton's and means as much to the band as Pizza Hut would to us. It might be purely a Toronto thing (in keeping with the Leafs and the Skydome). It might be a generic name for a cheap pizza place that exists only in the song lyrics, of which no one in any country would have any real idea. If the latter is correct, sorry. But if you do have such a thing, I'd appreciate knowing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:19:44 -0500 From: shalini trivedi Subject: more fruvous misnomers... hehe...i was just talking to my dad who wants to take a family vacation up to st. catherines for memorial day to visit family friends... i was hoping he'd say the fourth of july, so that i could go to the fort erie show, but no such luck... anyway, when i mentioned maybe going to see moxy while we were there, he said (and keep in mind my daddy has a bit on an accent...even 30 yrs after immigrating from india, his voice still isn't that from from the babu character from seinfeld...)"Moxy Fruvious? sounds like mickey mouse.." when i mentioned that the lads don't look like mickey mouse, he said "well kind of band is that? they don't even know how to look like stars." needless to say, i was entertained... ************************************************ * "...not in the * Shalini Trivedi * * American sense; * Chemical Engineering * * that would be * College of LAS * * insane!" *University of Illinois* * - Jian Ghomeshi * Urbana-Champaign * ************************************************ ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #413 ********************************************