From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #407 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, May 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 407 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OT-RENT [Mindy J Munson ] OT-re; RENT [Blushooz@aol.com] Re: post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long) [aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu] Re: air trombone [Leah ] Re: cdnow.com [Larry Dietrich ] Re: Go Sabres... [Larry Dietrich ] Re: OT: Guster [Daniel Lerner ] Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion (fwd) [Lynne ] Re: post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long) [FruKid ] Re: OT-re; RENT [FruKid ] Re: cdnow.com [FruKid ] Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion (fwd) [srm9988n@aol.com.Lori] Re: air trombone [FruKid ] Commercial recognition (was Re: post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long)) [Joe Navr] Re: air trombone [Amanda.K.Potter@Dartmouth.EDU (Amanda K. Potter)] Re: Indie Tape MP3's? [jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure)] Re: cdnow.com [Larry Dietrich ] Re: Fruboken show [blinerecs@aol.com (BLineRecs)] OT-yay for me!! [Blushooz@aol.com] re: fruvous dream [Blushooz@aol.com] Re: air trombone [Chad Maloney ] Re: OT-RENT [Frumanchu ] Re: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion [Chad Maloney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 04:11:36 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: OT-RENT I hope ot means off topic, not on topic ... anyway... Im seeing Rent tomorrow! YAY! I've only heard a little of the music and I like what I've heard. All my friends say how wonderful it is so Im real excited! And I sure as hell need/deserve a break. fruchild, who must regretfully tell the single frugals that my bro won't be catching shows anytime soon unless they are in Rochester. *canoodle!* ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 04:45:08 GMT From: Blushooz@aol.com Subject: OT-re; RENT hmmmm, Rochester, eh? *grin* -jess the single-rochesterian-fruhead who's always looking.... ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1999 05:27:43 GMT From: aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu Subject: Re: post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long) Angie Armstrong wrote: : However, it again raises my fears of that inevitable day, when the world : embraces Fruvous. I know this is worst-case scenario… and from what I know of : the guys now, that could never happen. But, what _will_ happen? What happens : when they outgrow these wonderfully intimate venues and play Commercially : Memorial Auditoriums and Arenas? Am I selfish to not want the share something : so wonderful with the masses? Could Fruvous ever be "mainstream?" : Willingly?? I imagine you could ask fans of any band that became commercially successful who were fans before the band became successful how the group's attitude (especially toward its fans) changed over time. You'd probably get wildly different answers though. I wonder what BNL fans' answers would be like. Keep in mind, too, that Moxy Fruvous have already been successful in their home country of Canada. A platinum-selling debut album is nothing to sneeze at. Fans that were around in Canada in the heyday of Bargainville might be able to relate some interesting stories about the band. Of course, what happens if and when a country 10 times the size (population-wise) of Canada "finds out" about Fruvous remains to be seen. What will happen to the band? What'll happen to fans of the lads who were fans before they hit it big? Will they become disgusted because the venues they're playing are so huge? Will the onstage banter of an intimate Moxy Fruvous show in a (comparatively) tiny venue disappear when they perform in front of 20,000 people? Maybe they won't play big venues often. (Imagine how hard it'll be to get tickets to a Fruvous show then!) Wonder what'll happen to the readability of this newsgroup, too. As for whether or not it's selfish to want to keep the band to ourselves, I think it is, but it's also natural. I'd probably be upset by the great unwashed masses thinking the upcoming album is Moxy Fruvous' "debut", not knowing about the other 5 albums, not knowing about the Drinking Song or even King of Spain. I'd be upset by people at huge outdoor shows screaming during "Fly" or "Horseshoes" and taking flash pictures. I imagine a lot of Barenaked Ladies fans (again with the BNL!) were upset when everyone in the country thought "One Week" was the group's first song. I don't think it's right to want to keep people from enjoying Fruvous' music, but in the same breath I can tell you I sure would want to smack people upside the head with a copy of the indie tape when they tell me about this "great new band!!" they just heard on the Top 40 station. My friend Dave and I have discussed this before; he's convinced that commercial success for Moxy Fruvous is going to happen. I think it might too. We haven't really come to any conclusions yet though. I guess time will tell. Perhaps 4 years from now, when everyone else has forgotten about the "one hit wonder Moxy Fruvous", the rest of us will still be enjoying their shows in the little clubs and venues we're so used to as fans. - - A.P. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:26:01 EDT From: Leah Subject: Re: air trombone On Wed, 12 May 1999, Sam Patch wrote: > We (fellow trombone players I've performed with) have always said that the > trombone is the easiest instrument to tune, as well as the hardest > instrument to tune. Because the tuning slide is not part of the general > assembly, once it's tuned, it's always tuned. > However, as > mentioned before, it is the hardest to "tune," because every note must be > "tuned" as it is played. Not to diss trombonists, cause actually I've found that of all the brass players, trombonists are my favorite (I've known way too many ultra cocky male trumpet players) however, I'd respectfully submit that even harder to play in tune is the violin. Not only do we have four strings to tune (as opposed to Bassoons and such which only have one thing to tune), but also every note has to be correctly placed in order to be in tune, much like the trombone. Plus, then there are all sorts of alternate postions in which to play different notes... I could go on, but I'll stop here Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:10:53 GMT From: Larry Dietrich Subject: Re: cdnow.com KatieWow wrote in <7hcvpl$r4l$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>: >i don't even have to look to guess that they've got the "new frontier" >cover turned out :). >i think there must have been a massive pressing of the album with the >cover that way. everytime i see it in a store lately it's like that . >~~kate > That's the cover I've got. Dietrich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:24:41 GMT From: Larry Dietrich Subject: Re: Go Sabres... Ben and Tara Cordes wrote in <373A1929.68A63683@mediaone.net>: >Ella Hinton wrote: >> >> Tuesday nite the band voiced their opinion on the Sabres-Bruins series, >> and it is something like this: >> The Sabres are going to kick ass! I agree. Tonite, 7:30 it's going >> down... > >bosotn 2, sabres 1, late in the first. > >wahoo! >-tara > Sabres 3, Boston 2 when it counts. WAHOO! And the band is once again prescient I have to admit, though, the Bruins played a great game. Dietrich .... who's been waiting 24 years to attend another Sabres' Stanley Cup finals game. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:24:20 -0400 From: Daniel Lerner Subject: Re: OT: Guster Guster is def worth a trip to buffalo. Especially if I'm still in Rochester. I learned of them only days after my first Fruvous concert. A friend I went with told me if I liked Moxy, I'd like Guster as well. Turns out she was right. Dan - -- "If cloning is outlawed then only outlaws will have clones" Sifyl humor of Dan and Stan: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/worldupsidedown RITCK Online: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/ritcirclek ICQ: 6976841 IM: wwwwud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:00:54 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion (fwd) *innocent whistle* I was just poking fun at your comment about "control", maybe cuz I have the the same problem... >/me senses Vika and I BOTH feel a little defensive right about now. no, no, nooooo not my intention you signed that post (the one I responded to, something like "Lori, the control freak" or something!) - -lynne >-- Lori, *not* running for mayor, honest. :) i think I'd vote for ya tho, if you were... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:44:11 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: OT-re; RENT Is Rent playing in Rochester? - -Paul Mischler another single-rochesterian-fruhead who's looking... Blushooz@aol.com wrote: > hmmmm, Rochester, eh? *grin* > > -jess > the single-rochesterian-fruhead who's always looking.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:21:51 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Re: post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long) aprestin said: > As for whether or not it's selfish to want to keep the band to ourselves, I think it is, but it's also natural I had no idea we owned them? All of us? Or just the people who know them? I am joking around a bit here, but I would like to know what's up with the sense of possesion some of you guys feel over the band. Aren't they property of themselves? How are we supposed to "keep them for our selves"? Really, I mean, what exactly do you mean? FruKid, Sort Of Trying To Get Back In The Circuit Here PS Am I saying something really really stupid or redundant here and I don't know it? - -- "Trombone, trombone, trombone. Let us ponder yonder trombone." "Everything sounds better with an accordian -(Dave) and everything tastes better with cheese -(me)" - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:42:44 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Re: OT-re; RENT Jess wrote: > hmmmm, Rochester, eh? *grin* > > -jess > the single-rochesterian-fruhead who's always looking.... Où est rochester? Je ne sais pas où est quelque chose. Va-t-elle comment ma grammaire, était-elle celle mal? FruKid, The Only French-Speaking North Carolinian To Get Near This NG - -- "Trombone, trombone, trombone. Let us ponder yonder trombone." "Everything sounds better with an accordian -(Dave) and everything tastes better with cheese -(me)" - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:35:15 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Re: cdnow.com Larry-o wrote: > That's the cover I've got. > Dietrich Quoi? As in, that's the one you've turned out or what? Who designed that cover, and what did we ever do to them? FruKid - -- "Trombone, trombone, trombone. Let us ponder yonder trombone." "Everything sounds better with an accordian -(Dave) and everything tastes better with cheese -(me)" - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1999 12:52:09 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion (fwd) Lynne whistled innocently: > I was just poking fun at your comment about "control", >maybe cuz I have the the same problem... oh, but you referenced that line without quoting it -- seeeeeee? ;-) That's why we Have To Turn This Newsgroup Right Around!!! :D , something like "Lori, the >control freak" or something!) "certified control freak", to be precise. And God knows we need to be precise. Maybe we need a control freak support group around here. Maybe I should organize that. Maybe ... >>>-- Lori, *not* running for mayor, honest. :) >i think I'd vote for ya tho, if you were... Oh, please no. See what kind of nonsense I stir up in an unofficial capacity? Let's leave the official office to more laid-back types like Cookie and Frank Zappa. - -- Lori ******************************* Visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:29:34 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Re: air trombone Leah noted: I'd respectfully submit that even harder to > play in tune is the violin. Not only do we have four strings to tune (as > opposed to Bassoons and such which only have one thing to tune), but also > every note has to be correctly placed in order to be in tune, much like > the trombone Really? Cool. I wouldn't know-- you don't have to tune the drums... FruKid, Who Plays The Hardest Easy Instrument On Earth. - -- "Trombone, trombone, trombone. Let us ponder yonder trombone." "Everything sounds better with an accordian -(Dave) and everything tastes better with cheese -(me)" - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:43:03 -0400 From: Joe Navratil Subject: Commercial recognition (was Re: post #2 - Fruvous Dream (long)) aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu wrote: > > I imagine you could ask fans of any band that became commercially > successful who were fans before the band became successful how the group's > attitude (especially toward its fans) changed over time. You'd probably > get wildly different answers though. I wonder what BNL fans' answers > would be like. Strangely enough, this topic has appeared recently (within the last two days) on my other favorite band's mailing list. Of course, nobody over on the Vertical Horizon list asked about BNL fans. I became a (American) BNL fan in '94 or '95, which puts me after the Canadian heyday but well before much Stateside recognition. Of course, I live near Detroit, which likes to consider itself a Canadian city every once in a while (ie, "Hockeytown" -- BTW, soon as Ranford wakes up the Wings are gonna coast to the Cup), so BNL always (as far as I'm concerned) had a fairly large following here. But as soon as I started travelling even two hours outside of Detroit, BNL was playing small clubs, mini-theatre type venues, etc. Back In The Day, we used to hang out after the shows, and the guys would come out and chat with us, sign stuff for us, hang out with us, occasionally invite us to bars or ask to come to bars with us, etc. Fun stuff. I'll always remember the day that a group of my friends tailgated in the parking lot for the Orbit Room in Grand Rapids (hey, we're Ann Arborites, there's always gotta be a tailgate party), and Tyler came out and had a hot dog. Any case, so now they're wildly popular, I hear their music on the radio every third song, I gave up on the newsgroup when I started to see "HEY GUYS -- I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN EVER!! By the way, what are the lyrics to 'One Week'? And when's your second album coming out?" I'm happy that the band achieved their goal of commercial success, but really all it means to me is that my concert seats get further away from the stage. The difference between BNL and Fruvous, though, is that Fruvous doesn't seem to be angling for that break. Sure, they're gaining a huge amount of word-of-mouth popularity, since every new convert seems to bring two or three friends to their second show. But they haven't got the Buzz Bin video produced by a Canadian-superstar-who-made-it-in-the-US like Jason Priestly and Old Apartment; they haven't been changing their sound to make it more radio-friendly (Compare "King of Spain" to "Pisco", then compare "I Love You" to "One Week" -- Fruvous's style has definitely changed, it just hasn't been moving closer to what the Radio Gods want); etc. > I'd probably be upset by the great > unwashed masses thinking the upcoming album is Moxy Fruvous' "debut", not > knowing about the other 5 albums, not knowing about the Drinking Song or > even King of Spain. I'd be upset by people at huge outdoor shows > screaming during "Fly" or "Horseshoes" and taking flash pictures. Well, if Fruvous is going to gain Commercial Recognition, they're going to have to want to. Right now, it doesn't seem like they're too concerned about it. They've got an incredibly (some would say insanely) loyal fan base already. Trying to break into the radio market could lead to three things, and two anna half of 'em are bad: 1) They could become wildly successful as "the Next BNL" -- a comparison I've hated ever since I heard "Bargainville". 2) They could fail at breaking in, which is just a major bummer. 3) They could succeed, get over-played for six months, and be back playing gigs in 200-seat venues in a year. I leave it up to the reader to decide which "two and a half" are bad. However, if all of a sudden Jian went from saying "We're not a real MTV-type band, so we do things on a grass-roots level" to "We're really trying to get our new video shown all over MTV, so start calling the Total Request Line and voting on their website as much as possible for us, pleeeease?", I'd definitely wish them all the success they could handle. I'd mourn the days of seeing them at the Ark, but the mourning would be for me. There would be nothing to mourn for them. Wow, this post was way too long. Sheesh. -Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:25:50 GMT From: Amanda.K.Potter@Dartmouth.EDU (Amanda K. Potter) Subject: Re: air trombone - --- Leah wrote: I'd respectfully submit that even harder to play in tune is the violin. - --- end of quote --- I agree... after 10+ years of playing where intonation practice is still part of every lesson, I can vouch that violin is a very hard instrument to play in tune. That's why I like to moonlight as a French horn player in the Marching Band and a bass drummer in the Wind Symphony! =) Just my $.02. Amanda ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1999 14:17:09 GMT From: jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure) Subject: Re: Indie Tape MP3's? Geoffrey Long (glong@dreamsbay.com) wrote: : (If we wanted to make the FDC people *really* nuts, we could : start pressuring them to set up a server section for live/unavailable : music People? Just Chris, I think :) At any rate, if you go to the Multimedia section, you'll see that there were at some point audio files there but that they were removed due to "some pending issues with the band". That was quite some time ago. I'm not sure what the issues were, but I seem to recall something about the band not wanting people's first exposure to their music to be rare, unreleased songs of MP3s of less than optimal quality. Of course I could just be making all this up. jordan - -- What do you get when you cross a snowman with a vampire? Frostbite. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:36:42 GMT From: Larry Dietrich Subject: Re: cdnow.com FruKid wrote in <7hegu4$4hf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>: >Larry-o wrote: >> That's the cover I've got. >> Dietrich > >Quoi? As in, that's the one you've turned out or what? Who designed >that cover, and what did we ever do to them? > FruKid And Larry-o replied: As in, that's the one that came with the CD when this admitted latecomer found the band and bought that particular album at a record store in the states. The purchase would have been late last summer. The record store was either in Providence, RI, or Syracuse, NY. I take no responsibility for creating or distributing said cover. I am, however, now nearly mortally curious about the cover that I DON'T have. Dietrich Happy that at last someone has responded to one of my posts. You love me. You really do love me..... ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1999 15:28:30 GMT From: blinerecs@aol.com (BLineRecs) Subject: Re: Fruboken show >From: "^kat^" >Alexander Prestin intuitively suggested: > >>And if they ever play CT again, I'd really *love* to see them at Toad's >>Place in New Haven. It's a moderate-sized club, but it seems to have the >>perfect "close-ness" that makes for a good Fruvous show. > > >as a future student of yale university... > >*yesss!!!* heartily seconded! pleeeese, jude? and as a former employee of toads (best show--the stones, just before they started the steel wheels tour, 2nd best a tie between the red hot chili peppers and the b-52s) , i offer my hearty third! how 'bout the whiffenpoofs opening? kevin tblrc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:53:19 GMT From: Blushooz@aol.com Subject: OT-yay for me!! After years of being completely lazy, I'm finally getting my drivers liscence today!! : >D - -jess a VERY good driver, about time I try it legally! ; >) p.s. frurelevance-now I can go to all those far away shows that I always whine about missing! Woohoo!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:42:57 GMT From: Blushooz@aol.com Subject: re: fruvous dream frukid said: I had no idea we owned them? All of us? Or just the people who know them? I am joking around a bit here, but I would like to know what's up with the sense of possesion some of you guys feel over the band. Aren't they property of themselves? How are we supposed to "keep them for our selves"? Really, I mean, what exactly do you mean? Well....I'm sure most of us feel like we do, in a way. They're OUR boys, some of us know them, the rest of us just feel like we do. For some, Fruvous was their first concert, which holds alot of sentiment, and for most, I'm sure, it was their best concert(s). You just can't love a band like that and not feel a little possesive thinking about what would happen if they went mainstream. It's sad. can anyone clarify what the hell I'm trying to say? : ) I feel like I'm babbling. - -jess the jealous-possesive-control freak who can't bear the thought of the boys on mtv, stuffed between 'n sync and koRn : ( p.s. Rochester, N.Y. after 4 years of high school french, that's all I could figure out! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:06:29 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: air trombone Gruneberg Veronica J wrote: > > Yes, I have noticed that they play air trombone (never thought of it that > way...) and I must say that I was very thrilled. Don't forget the air trumpet on the other verse... > really high note, or you might be in first playing a low note. You can > even play the same note in two different positions - you can play an F in > 1st or 6th. I have a friend who refuses to play "conventional" positions > and will only play alternate slide positions, Drives me crazy when we play > together. And first position, kinda like open notes on acoustic bass or fretless bass, pretty much suck because you can't tune them by moving the slide. One of my trombone pet peeves is people who rely on the trigger to play 6th position stuff because the trigger gets out of tune easily... - Chad (trombonist among other things) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:25:30 GMT From: Frumanchu Subject: Re: OT-RENT Mindy J Munson wrote: > I hope ot means off topic, not on topic ... anyway... Im seeing Rent > tomorrow! YAY! I've only heard a little of the music and I like what > I've heard. All my friends say how wonderful it is so Im real excited! > And I sure as hell need/deserve a break. WOOHOO! I don't know if you've seen it yet, but if not I'm sure you'll love it. I got front row seats for it in Boston (camped out the whole day...it was a blast) and it was incredible!! Have fun, kiddo!:) - -Phil, who HAS his ticket for the 7:30 show of Phantom Menace on Wed:) - -- "His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of morbid curiosity." --Actual quote from Federal employee performance evaluations Send reply to Frumanchu AT hotmail DOT com - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:54:38 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion Vika Zafrin wrote: > For the record: yes, alt.fan.moxy.fruvous is still available. How > illegal it is, and whether Jason was trying to get it "annulled," I > don't know; but it does exist. As for some people's news servers not > carrying it, I've found that most ISPs (including universities) will > have no problem adding a newsgroup to the list of the ones they carry > if you request it. alt.fan.moxy.fruvous, is in my personal opinion, not an option. Many many people have in the past tried to RMGROUP (or whatever NNTP speak is for that) it from usenet. Usenet being the wiley snake it is doesn't pass that info along to all it's nooks and crannies because all servers don't accept RMGROUPs and such. So, alt.fan.moxy.fruvous is someplaces and on other places it isn't. I don't think it went through "proper" discussion in alt.config so the nazi sysadmins who troll there probably didn't accept it. More or less lots of problem. The decision to abort alt.fan.moxy.fruvous was made for the following reasons: 1) Naming was screwed up (is there gonna be a alt.fan.moxy.soda?) 2) Already created an a.m.m-f (with a better name) the proper way 3) With two newsgroups people can get confused on which is "alive" So an attempt (however) futile was made to abort a.f.m.f. and it was destined that we'd live out our life on alt.music.moxy-fruvous and may a.f.m.f rest in peace. Rest in peace it didn't, so people check it every so often and point them over here. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:47:03 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Indie Tape MP3's? Geoffrey Long wrote: > > There was a thread kicking around on here a little bit ago about the > FruLads' position towards MP3s, which, unless I'm mistaken, kind of > leaned towards their saying "it's OK for the live stuff, but don't do it > for the stuff that actually gets us fed". Which is groovy, but that > brings in the issue of the Indie tape. Since they've said that > tape-tree'ing the Indie tape is cool, why doesn't someone take the time > and effort to make MP3s of the Indie tape and post them on a site > somewhere? As far as I know, there is no Frulad position on mp3 right now. I think most fans rationalize for themselves and think it is okay. I have never heard them say tape treeing the Indie tape is cool. So far most of the tape trading has been on a personal face to face level so there is some trust involved in it. There have been 2 trees in the past, one for an Iron Horse show and one for NYE '96 at the Bottom Line. As for FDC having mp3, I dunno. FDC is the band's official website and having free music distribution there would have to be well thought out and with a purpose and not just a couple things thrown up. It wouldn't be right for a new fan to checkout the band by listening to a rare unreleased song on FDC I'd think. If enough people are interested in Indie CDs, maybe email Jude and ask if there are any plans to rerelease the Indie stuff on CD for people who want it. I'd think if enough people ask, they can press some more if the band were comfortable with more people having stuff that is that old. - Chad ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #407 ********************************************