From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #395 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, May 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 395 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Those French Songs ["Jennifer Schlosser" ] Re: The frustrations of Fruvous in Los Angeles [cookie ] Re: Clifton Park review.... [Leah ] Re: T-shirts [Leah ] Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) [Leah ] Re: THE END OF MY ROPE 5471 ["Travis Cagle" ] Re: THE END OF MY ROPE 5471 ["Travis Cagle" ] Re: Maxwell's 5/8/99 Set List [cookie ] small venues [Jennifer DiMase ] Old crones unite! (was Re: T-shirts) [cookie ] Re: An actual inquiry about the band [nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (N] Re: Personal Favs (was TCAT) [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca] Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) [Grune] Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) [limez] Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) [Muck ] gay? [tmbgirl@juno.com] Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) [Paul Mischler ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:48:41 GMT From: "Jennifer Schlosser" Subject: Re: Those French Songs > So, what's the deal with those French language songs? Are they covers, or > written by the band? If they're by the band, are the lyrics as witty an > punny in French as the English lyrics are? > I love the songs....just wondering about the other stuff. As someone who speaks French, I think their writing in French is basically the same as their writing in English..... that is, they rhyme words that you wouldn't normally think about rhyming (er, they rhyme, they're just not the first rhyme that you would think of), and the lyrics are touching, yet witty. Translation: they achieve Fruvous excellence in French the same way they do in English. Does anyone know which one of them wrote the French songs? Are Morphee and Nuits de Reve the only French ones out there? I seem to remember some other French songs listed on the site, but I've never heard of them being performed. Ferf *lurklurk* - ----------------- [ REKLAMA / ADVERTISEMENT ] ------------------- Twoja nowa podręczna przyjemność on-line !!! 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Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:14:11 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: Personal Favs (was TCAT) Cheesemaker Gem wrote: > > --- Teresa Bonvino wrote: > > thats one of the reasons why i like kate > > winslet so much..i > > don't mean to say she's fat, because she's > > definitely not.. but she's > > not aneorexically thin... > > Exactly! shes the epitome of perfect female beauty, in > my eyes. She gets a lot of shit for being *fat* and i > think its absolutely ridiculous... that is what > Hollywood has become; how upsetting. Boy, do I have my two cents on this topic! The attitude in Hollywood is extremely sexist, and I believe it always has been. This town is run by a very well-established and revered "boy's club" who have enough power and money to make their own rules--even if it goes against national law. I have had men (note: plural) ask me in job interviews about my marital status, and then question why I'm not married. In one job interview, the first thing the male interviewer said was, "I want you to know I've worked with women before...and I've worked for women..." (I wanted to respond, "Really! What was it like?" But I held my tongue.) A lot of people out here seem to need to feel they have control over other people lives to thus give them the illusion of power. I think that's because this industry attracts a lot of insecure and dysfunctional people, so it really doesn't surprise me that there are a lot of people with eating disorders, drug addictions, and dysfunctional relationships; and childish back-biting, name-calling, and elitism is commonplace. Regarding the skinny vs. non-skinny issue, I think it's not an issue exclusive to the movie industry. I think there is a very real discrimination against overweight people in this country, and the movie industry only reflects that. There's a reason why so many young girls have serious eating disorders, and I think it's because girls in this country are taught from a very early age that their appearance and sexuality is their main (if not only) yardstick for their sense of self-worth. What else could explain the cosmetic surgery industry? (By the way, am I the only person who was amazed that Janet Jackson's breasts got a LOT bigger recently? I don't understand why a woman as beautiful, talented and successful as her would feel a need to "improve" her already fabulous body. Of course, she DOES make more money than me, so maybe she knows something I don't. Oh well, I can pay my rent, so I'll just remain ignorant, and continue to enjoy my cookies and ice cream without dribbling on the front of my massive designer breasts.) I'm just really happy that I now have a warm-fuzzy job at Easter Seals, I'm going to take my dogs for a hike through the mountains this afternoon, and I get to see Fruvous in less than a month. Life is good! Once again...a rather opinionated, Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:25:35 EDT From: Leah Subject: Re: Clifton Park review.... On 8 May 1999, Bnlwildy wrote: > No "My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors" > No "Drinking Song". I think that the lack of these songs was planning rather than a result of noisy people in the back (who, by the way were much better than at the Utica show). The reason I say this is that my friend Sarah snagged Murray's setlist at the end, and neither was listed, but every song they did play was. Just a thought... Leah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:45:13 EDT From: Leah Subject: Re: T-shirts On Sun, 9 May 1999 tmbgirl@juno.com wrote: > (geez, i'm so making > us sound like we're gay... honest... we're each happily involved with > guys... no need to worry!) I don't really know what to say to this, but I'll say that my heart sunk a little when I read it. Perhaps nothing was meant by it, but there are some of us out here who ARE queer. It's a wonderful thing to be. I hope you didn't mean it when you said "no need to worry." =( Leah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:18:41 EDT From: Leah Subject: Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) On Fri, 7 May 1999, Richard Butterworth wrote: > Leah wrote: > > > Richard, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but > > the sentiments that you expressed ARE feminist. Feminism > > isn't about women vs. men, or we hate men. Feminism is > > about analyzing the way that society treats both > > men and women... > > Strangely enough, what you describe is what I would call humanism. Labels, > schmabels I say, who cares when the heart's in the right place? Can I be a > feminist if I let you be a humanist, please? > > Soggily, in 7/8 time, hopefully, > Richard I agree - labels often have the effect of alianating one group from another. If what I expressed is what you'd call humanist, feel free to think of me as one. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:35:56 -0500 From: "Travis Cagle" Subject: Re: THE END OF MY ROPE 5471 Hey, I've seen you on many websites lately. I'm short of cash, but I'll sing you a nice British song to bring this back on topic, sort of: SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM Folks, legitimate charities are needing help in OKC, OK, for those inclined to help. WILL SPAM FOR FOOD here needs a hobby. Moodies Forever! ooywjc@libcom.com wrote in message <7gpqm0$3rl@world6.bellatlantic.net>... >Hi My Name Is Ron. I suffer from a rare disorder called Tourette Syndrome. >I have had Tourette Syndrome all my life but I was not diagnosed till age 19. Tourette Syndrome is a >disorder that causes me to jerk my body and swear uncrollably. >I am sure you may have Tourette Syndrome featured on one TV show or another at some time. >But it is a different matter to have to live with it every day. For the average person going out to eat at >a restraint might be a fun event but imagine what it would be like if you untrollably jerked your hand >and spilt your drink and kept shouting swear words even though you did not want to. > >That is just one experience of having Tourette Syndrome. I do not swear and jerk all the time this is >perhaps one of the most puzzling aspects of tourete syndrome. Most of the time I am just like >anyone else >I can lead a pretty much normal life but I always have the urges to swear and jerk. I always have to >fight to control the urges but I cannot keep it under control for more than a few hours at a time. > >I find that stress makes the Tourettes worse. I am a proud person and have managed to keep my >disorder a secret from most people. I try to make sure that I am alone before I explode with tics. >When I was in high school I would strain to maintain control while in class but after class I would run >to the bathroom where I could be alone and let all the tics out sometimes it would take a up to a half >hour or more to calm the attack and that would mead that quite often I was very late or would >entirely miss the next class. > >When I was a child I would be constantly in trouble and getting punished for what my parents called >my habits. After years of dragging me from doctor to doctor and getting no real answer my parents >pretty much gave up on me. I grew up thinking I was crazy and I knew that I had to struggle to keep >my craziness under control. For to let it out would mean that I would be shunned and outcast. > >After high school I tried to find work I found it quite easy to get jobs but the problem I had was >keeping them. At work there was no bathroom to run to every couple hours. It was during these >years that I found out just how unaccepting the world can be. Over the past ten years I have been >fired from over 45 jobs >In some cases they begged me to seek mental help in other cases I was beat up and thrown out the >door. >in all cases the end result was unemployment. > >I have found out that even though I explain my disorder to people and they say they understand that >those same people will have nothing to do with me after witnessing a attack of my tourettes. > >I have spent months at a time of living on the street and in a car and have been on welfare for years >at a time. Family members have grown disgusted with me losing jobs they tell me that my problem is >that I just don't apply myself. I have spent 30 years of trying to apply myself just to be kicked in the >face over and over again due to a disorder that I cannot control. > >I have tried to get Social Security Disability but I have been turned down twice. I have no job no >home no insurance and besides welfare no income. I am at the end of my rope and I don't know >what to do. >All I want is to be normal I wish I could have a job a car a home. I am not stupid there is allot I can >do >but every time I pick myself up I get kicked back down because someone can't of won't accept my >disorder. > >So here I am on the internet begging for help. >Please If you can send me a couple dollars >I want to try and get a apartment and find a doctor to help me >but I can not do so without money >A friend of mine is allowing to use his address. > >RS >140 Scout Ave >Pgh Pa 15210 >nhnqidjeurutsbrnjrnvdnsisyeechypdhusegylzzytfiphjpudzqzqjztysfqjukcclibiqji mpcjulsqxocqcxtpizml > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:51:35 -0500 From: "Travis Cagle" Subject: Re: THE END OF MY ROPE 5471 Have seen this WILL SPAM FOR FOOD act on many other NGs than the ones listed with his posting. If you'd like to help someone who needs it, OKC, OK can use it all. Moodies Forever! And thank you, Mike Pinder, for your fine work in the glory years. ooywjc@libcom.com wrote in message <7gpqm0$3rl@world6.bellatlantic.net>... >Hi My Name Is Ron. I suffer from a rare disorder called Tourette Syndrome. >I have had Tourette Syndrome all my life but I was not diagnosed till age 19. Tourette Syndrome is a >disorder that causes me to jerk my body and swear uncrollably. >I am sure you may have Tourette Syndrome featured on one TV show or another at some time. >But it is a different matter to have to live with it every day. For the average person going out to eat at >a restraint might be a fun event but imagine what it would be like if you untrollably jerked your hand >and spilt your drink and kept shouting swear words even though you did not want to. > >That is just one experience of having Tourette Syndrome. I do not swear and jerk all the time this is >perhaps one of the most puzzling aspects of tourete syndrome. Most of the time I am just like >anyone else >I can lead a pretty much normal life but I always have the urges to swear and jerk. I always have to >fight to control the urges but I cannot keep it under control for more than a few hours at a time. > >I find that stress makes the Tourettes worse. I am a proud person and have managed to keep my >disorder a secret from most people. I try to make sure that I am alone before I explode with tics. >When I was in high school I would strain to maintain control while in class but after class I would run >to the bathroom where I could be alone and let all the tics out sometimes it would take a up to a half >hour or more to calm the attack and that would mead that quite often I was very late or would >entirely miss the next class. > >When I was a child I would be constantly in trouble and getting punished for what my parents called >my habits. After years of dragging me from doctor to doctor and getting no real answer my parents >pretty much gave up on me. I grew up thinking I was crazy and I knew that I had to struggle to keep >my craziness under control. For to let it out would mean that I would be shunned and outcast. > >After high school I tried to find work I found it quite easy to get jobs but the problem I had was >keeping them. At work there was no bathroom to run to every couple hours. It was during these >years that I found out just how unaccepting the world can be. Over the past ten years I have been >fired from over 45 jobs >In some cases they begged me to seek mental help in other cases I was beat up and thrown out the >door. >in all cases the end result was unemployment. > >I have found out that even though I explain my disorder to people and they say they understand that >those same people will have nothing to do with me after witnessing a attack of my tourettes. > >I have spent months at a time of living on the street and in a car and have been on welfare for years >at a time. Family members have grown disgusted with me losing jobs they tell me that my problem is >that I just don't apply myself. I have spent 30 years of trying to apply myself just to be kicked in the >face over and over again due to a disorder that I cannot control. > >I have tried to get Social Security Disability but I have been turned down twice. I have no job no >home no insurance and besides welfare no income. I am at the end of my rope and I don't know >what to do. >All I want is to be normal I wish I could have a job a car a home. I am not stupid there is allot I can >do >but every time I pick myself up I get kicked back down because someone can't of won't accept my >disorder. > >So here I am on the internet begging for help. >Please If you can send me a couple dollars >I want to try and get a apartment and find a doctor to help me >but I can not do so without money >A friend of mine is allowing to use his address. > >RS >140 Scout Ave >Pgh Pa 15210 >nhnqidjeurutsbrnjrnvdnsisyeechypdhusegylzzytfiphjpudzqzqjztysfqjukcclibiqji mpcjulsqxocqcxtpizml > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 23:00:43 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: Maxwell's 5/8/99 Set List Scott Perschke wrote: > > On Sun, 09 May 1999 21:11:09 GMT, Mindy J Munson > wrote: > > >>Sad Eyes > > > > Oops... my fault... > > Sad Girl (of course) > > Scott HA HA HA! Boy, am *I* a loser! I thought they did a cover of that old 70s ballad! Remember? It went something like: Sad eyes Turn the other way I don't want to see you cry-yi-yi.. Sad eyes You knew there'd come a day When we would have to say goodbye-yi-yi.. ..er, something to that effect. Anyway, it was a big favorite when they "slowed things down for a couple skate" at the Roller Rink in Beatrice, Nebraska, c. 1979 or so. Thanks for reminding me of that! (Chuckle) Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 02:19:31 -0700 From: Jennifer DiMase Subject: small venues This past week, I had the fortune of being able to attend three shows almost in a row: Cambridge on Monday and Tuesday, and Providence on Friday. These made my 3rd, 4th, and 5th shows. I had seen them before at MIT and at Quincy Market. On Monday, the band made mention of the fact that they were doing a few smaller gigs to work on playing their new stuff. All of the shows I've been to have been small venues. With this being the case, it's hard to imagine going to a huge festival or a very large outdoor concert where there are hundreds of people in the crowd. I'm sure they're wonderful, though, and it must be nice when there are scores of other fans around, rather than a couple hundred or fewer. In any case, I'd just like to mention that although I love the intimacy of a small venue, it's disturbing that there were loud and obnoxious drunk people at all of the shows I was at this week. It's probably a lot easier to ignore people like this when there's a larger crowd that is more densly populated by people who appreciate and respect the music, and I think that both the fans and the band have a better time in such a situation (the MIT show was like this). Too bad it's so hard to stumble upon the best of both worlds ... - --Jennifer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 23:20:30 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Old crones unite! (was Re: T-shirts) Katrin wrote: > > In article <19990509203151.26373.00000482@ng-ci1.aol.com>, > srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM says... > > > >k@ > > >older than God (but only by about 6 months) > > > So k@ is God's mom, I guess, and i'm God's grandmom. :) > > (On the principle of My Goddess Gave Birth to Your God ...) > > Hee...I'm not *that* old! And I know you're not that much older than I > am. So, which one of us is a Goddess by your reasoning? Heck, there's > enough Goddesshood to go around. I appoint us both. > > k@ > 8/15/65...you figure it out Katrin wrote: > > In article <19990509203151.26373.00000482@ng-ci1.aol.com>, > srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM says... > > > >k@ > > >older than God (but only by about 6 months) > > > So k@ is God's mom, I guess, and i'm God's grandmom. :) > > (On the principle of My Goddess Gave Birth to Your God ...) > > Hee...I'm not *that* old! And I know you're not that much older than I > am. So, which one of us is a Goddess by your reasoning? Heck, there's > enough Goddesshood to go around. I appoint us both. > > k@ > 8/15/65...you figure it out OK, I'm in. 5/24/64. Can I be an ugly stepsister or something? Hey! There's only 15 more shopping days until my birthday! I decided to announce my candidacy for President of the United States on my birthday this year since I'll finally be old enough. Please send all contribution pledges to: cookie@2cowherd.net. ;-) Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 06:24:36 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: An actual inquiry about the band On Mon, 10 May 1999 03:04:45 GMT, someone who looked like Larry Dietrich whispered: >So, what's the deal with those French language songs? Are they covers, or >written by the band? If they're by the band, are the lyrics as witty an >punny in French as the English lyrics are? The French songs are written and sung by Mike, who speaks fluent French. Both are slow and lyrical songs, and so not witty in the way that, say, KoS or Pisco are... the lyrics are in beautiful, poetic French, though, and they are difficult to translate correctly, particularly Nuits de Reve [1], which is so compact and minimalist and haunting in French and every time I try to translate it I make it sound clunky and awkward. *sigh* To answer what I think your question was, the French lyrics are fully as interesting and well-composed as in any of their English songs. - --nicole the wonder nerd who fondly recalls a wonderful post-show gathering gabbing in French with Zard and Mike. [1] Okay, so is Morphee. The second verse is essentially nonsense, but inasmuch as it's about dreams, I suspect that was kinda the point. *** "But I found that my heart's opened up my mind and opened up my eyes..."--Eddie From Ohio Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is INCORRECT! Think of it as an intelligence test. ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 1999 03:36:28 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Personal Favs (was TCAT) Hmmm... funny, people always tell me I look like Janine Turner, the actress from Northen Exposure. I was very thrilled when people started telling me this! :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 1999 03:34:50 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) Thanks for the hugs!! Always appreciated - but, really, I'm fine with my height. More or less, anyway. I mean, I'm sure we all have little things we'd change if we could but we accept them 'cause we can't. And I've now more than accepted the fact that I'm tall. It just really bugs me when the people around me expect me to try to hide or minimize the fact that I'm tall. Worse yet, that they expect me to do certain things (ie wear only flat shoes) because being around a tall me makes them uncomfortable. It's like, I'm ok with it, why are you trying to make me uncomfortable and self-conscious?? So as defence I just bring my sister to visit (6'2 1/2 and skinny so she looks even taller) :) :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 1999 07:57:58 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (LimeZinger) Subject: Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) > And I've now >more than accepted the fact that I'm tall. wow, i always thought you tall gals had it easy. i hate being 5'2". [enter that "grass is always greener" cliché here] ;) sarah http://members.aol.com/limezinger linnellgirl@tmbg.org * icq #26873712 * mstie #77216 "sometimes i get the feeling that i won't be on this planet for very long; i really like it here, i'm quite attatched to it i hope i'm wrong" ~ben folds 5 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:52:15 GMT From: Muck Subject: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) G'day ... i'm a new moxy fruvous fan.. in Australia.. and i have the bargainville cd... and since.. importing the CD's arent cheap.. i was wondering if some of you could direct me in which CD i should import next by moxy? cheers.. Mark - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:45:21 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: gay? Before another one of you yells at me and tells me i'm prejudiced please read this so that i don't have to sit here and a) feel terrible that someone would say i was and b) so i don't have to reply to 30 more messages where people misinterpret what i'm saying. GEEZ kids... my absolute best friend in the entire world is gay... please!!! i meant nothing by it. GRRRRR *GROWL* ready to jump at anything are we? as i previously stated. Kat appears to be a happily married woman. ok? I didn't want tom to think that i'm sitting there complimenting her in the hopes that i could like steal her away from him, k? is it makin a little more sense? I think Kat totally understood what i was saying but maybe not... > It's a wonderful thing to be. I >hope >you didn't mean it when you said "no need to worry." oh jesus. i had all intentions of meaning "no need to worry...that we're trying to steal ya away." don't read too deeply into things that aren't there. *****I am refraining from posting until i find it a little more necessary (when the colorado show comes up)...not like that's a big difference from the past (as much as i really love hearing about your breast sizes) but damn look at what happens when i try to be nice *grrr*.***** take it easy, JOrdaN, angered like no other. http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html On Sun, 9 May 1999 23:45:13 EDT Leah writes: > > >On Sun, 9 May 1999 tmbgirl@juno.com wrote: > >> (geez, i'm so making >> us sound like we're gay... honest... we're each happily involved >with >> guys... no need to worry!) > >I don't really know what to say to this, but I'll say that my heart >sunk a >little when I read it. Perhaps nothing was meant by it, but there are >some of us out here who ARE queer. It's a wonderful thing to be. I >hope >you didn't mean it when you said "no need to worry." =( > >Leah > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:06:30 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) Welcome new fan! Obligatory points: http://www.fruvous.com/ : Moxy Früvous on the 'net http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html : Frequently Asked Questions : (The FAQ) As for the next album, I would have to recommend "Live Noise." Live Noise brings you the feel of a live Früvous concert. Of course, Living in Australia, it would be a little hard for you to see Früvous live, so the CD is a halfway decent substitute. (Of course, it may just make you want to come stateside for the day :-) - -Paul Mischler Muck wrote: > G'day ... > > i'm a new moxy fruvous fan.. in Australia.. and i have the bargainville > cd... and since.. importing the CD's arent cheap.. > i was wondering if some of you could direct me in which CD i should > import next by moxy? > > cheers.. Mark ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #395 ********************************************