From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #252 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, March 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mainstream Direction? (pretty damn long) [Mindy J Munson ] Re: Moxy license plate [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Explaining my posts... [Thomas Fazzio ] Re: If Only and new album [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Re: Frucon puzzles! [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read [katrin@dime] Re: CTD [bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Brent McNamee)] Re: If Only and new album ["Leah C. Bridgers" ] Re: OT: a little pop-culture fun... [tmbgirl@juno.com] Re: Mainstream Direction? (pretty damn long) [Anna! ] Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl)) [] Re: CTD [Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: When She Talks (was Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl))) [] When She Talks (was Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl))) [] unsubscribe [jamn ] Re: unsubscribe ["Steve Nordmeyer" ] Banjo Buzz ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: If Only and new album [nafio@my-dejanews.com] Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl)) [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 05:26:31 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Mainstream Direction? (pretty damn long) >>>Tom's msg<<< >I may be alone in this, but, I am a fan who high hopes for the best >for a band which I >have struggled to see many times. Nope, baby. You ain't alone >>>Some more msg<<< fruchild, " I AM the band" Murray 2/6/99 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:25:02 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Musical Maturity/Progression all this talk of how fruvous songs change over time led me back to the fruvous MP3 site--take a listen to the old version of "fly" available there. i'm amazed how much that one has changed. http://cowshead.com/mkiniry/fruvous/groovy.htm ~~kate - -- kate leahy kleahy@loyola.edu everybody loves a happy ending but we don't even try we go straight past pretending to the part where everyone loves to cry - --elvis costello ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:16:56 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: Moxy license plate In article <002201be6a31$ce87a350$ae01030a@brunnhilde.artioslink.com>, adamh@javanet.com says... > > >isn't toronto YYZ or something like that? it's in some rush song. > > That would be "YYZ" on _Moving Pictures_. Gosh darn it, that album wasn't part of my education...though I think I eventually read the entire lyric sheet of "2112" off the choir room blackboard. > Off-topic again, > --Adam k@ further off topic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:02:22 -0500 From: Thomas Fazzio Subject: Explaining my posts... Well, to explain a few things - the first post that ends with "Moxy Fr" was an accidental post. I ended up finishing that message and posting it. > To sum it up in XXX words: Don't be quick to pigeonhole this band based on a few songs. > Are a few mainstream songs really bad songs? I love every new songs I heard, and no matter > in what form it's recorded (or played live) I will enjoy it. WOW!!! When I typed this, I was going to go back and type in how many words I summed myself in, so I typed "XXX" so that I would catch myself, well, I missed. *blush* I didn't mean anything objectionable by "XXX", think of it as a variable for the number of words: To sum it up in 42 words: Don't be quick to pigeonhole this band based on a few songs. Are a few mainstream songs really bad songs? I love every new songs I heard, and no matter in what form it's recorded (or played live) I will enjoy it. Double WOW! I *just* counted the word to type in the correct number for "XXX" and can you imagine that?!? Wow - 42! later, tom. Thomas Fazzio Computer Science Clarkson University fazziote@clarkson.edu http://www.clarkson.edu/~fazziote ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:51:52 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: If Only and new album In article <7c42n4$ig$2@knot.queensu.ca>, 6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca says... > Hey, are you calling me weird??! I resmeble that -- I mean, I *resent* > that!!! :) Freudian slip... Yeah, that's it.... Yeah, you'll have to FIGHT me for that title. k@ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:55:43 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: Frucon puzzles! In article , zingor@home.com says... > when dave was together, it > really looked as if two pieces were missing. I just wanted to see that again. k@ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:42:29 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read In article <19990309.200013.-3938031.3.SHAZALINREA@juno.com>, shazalinrea@juno.com says... > I don't see how you can't find things like Independence Day anything > *but* mature Okay, I'm gonna burn in fan hell for saying this publicly, but more than anything else that song just makes me wanna sing "Hey oh ma ma ma, bee doo n'nayyah, hey oh ma ma ma heeyyyy'yahhhh..." In fact, I woke up this morning when *that* song came on the radio, in my dream state halfway thinking (or wishing) it might be Independence Day. And, incidentally, thinking of a picture it made me want to draw. But that's a different tangent altogether. This is NOT to imply that I don't *like* Indy Day, 'cause I do, and definitely in no way questioning its maturity. I'm just saying. I have no idea what my point is. And by the way, I can't even remember who sang that other song. > My brother is very much in love with the...um...witch that dumped him... Hey, don't you be maligning witches like that. Sometime soon I may actually have something relevant and constructive to say about some of the new songs, besides the pre-verbal slatherings of approval given by my reptilian brain. Until then I'd better quit while I'm behind. k@ Blahhhhlalaagghhhlaghhhhlalalaaaahhh.... BAD reptile. DOWN. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:49:28 GMT From: bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Brent McNamee) Subject: Re: CTD On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:55:57 GMT, petit_chou@juno.com wrote: >Here in the US, the new Crash Test Dummies album ("Give Yourself a Hand") >will not be released until the 23rd of this month. I have a hunch it's >already out in Canada, and I'm wondering if anyone has it? Good? Bad? >Silly? The album gets released everywhere on the 23rd - not just in the 'States. They've been hyping it a lot on MuchMusic and local radio stations, though, so we have a pretty good idea: Three words and a bit of math for you: Brad + falsetto = *WEIRD* They sound like a totally different band to me. It's very strange hearing quasi-CTD melodies and rhythms (yes, quasi) with different voices singing (same people, different voices) This album looks like a definite departure for CTD. Then again, it can be said that "Wood" was a departure for our *favourite* band, but now it just kind of blends in with their overall "vibe", so maybe that's not such a bad thing! -----------[ Brent McNamee - Toronto, Ontario, CANADA ]----------- bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com | Eagles may fly above it all, (remove the NOSPAM. to mail me) | but weasels are never sucked http://www.interlog.com/~brentm/ | into jet engines. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:42:26 EST From: "Leah C. Bridgers" Subject: Re: If Only and new album On 9 Mar 1999, Brian Nicholson wrote: > > >Yes absolutely. Its a shame they've resorted to mainstream sounding > songs > >like Pisco Bandito and Splatter Splatter. There are just way too many > bands > >doing this mainstream stuff. ;) > > I'm GUESSING she was refering to stuff like "Missing Her" and "I will > hold on" (which makes me think of Titanic and cringe) > > > How can you even say that I will hold on makes you think of Titanic? It's like blasphemy! To compare Fruvous to Celine Dion! Gross! Leah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:02:25 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: Re: OT: a little pop-culture fun... hahaa... NKOTB. oh hell yeah. do you suppose that your musical preference is linked throughout your life? hmm... wonder what that means. I'd pay large sums of money (if i had it) to hear the frulads covering some NKOTB... not to mention seeing jian singing some tiffany :D i'd just like you all to know that Jordan Knight (yeahyeah!), now on his own, is going to be touring this summer with yep, you guessed it, n sync and five. Coming soon to a town near you. it's so crazy cuz about 7 of my friends can claim that the nkotb & tiffany tour was their first concert. it's sad when i wish i could claim so... first show: crosby stills and nash second show: white zombie third show: paula abdul hahaaa... two 8 yo girls alone at a white zombie show... wassup rob?! take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html ::::upcoming shows (thru march): 2 skinnee j's, everlast, sugar ray, hed pe, fear factory, second coming, vast, lo fidelity allstars, citizen king, hippos, buck o nine, homegrown, river fenix, less than jake, limp, frenzal rhomb, and all::::: On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:52:07 -0500 "^kat^" writes: >no, no, this isn't fruvous-related... i just feel that this is a >worthwhile >crusade, so i figured i'd publicize it as much as possible. i >personally >find this prospect beyond hilarious, so i urge all of you to take a >second >or two to visit www.mtv.com, find the TRL page, & vote. > >and if you feel like passing this along to whomever you feel would >appreciate it before 3:30 tomorrow afternoon... well, that'd be swell, >too. >:) without further ado, the forward: > >---------- FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------- >> >>Now, to expose the plot, a nefarious scheme I've contrived to pay >them >>all back. The idea struck me-like a truck running into a flightless >>bird who had inadvertently chosen to cross the road- while I was >>watching TRL yesterday. TRL, for those of you who don't know, is the >>abbreviation for the showcase of Carson Daly witticisms that is Total >>Request Live on MTV (MTV itself being an abbreviation for music >>television). >> >>Here is what we must all pull together and do: send this email to as >>many people as possible. The message is simple. On March 10, 1999, >>everyone who has received this email will get on-line and, before the >>airing of Total Request Live, cast their vote for the New Kids on the >>Block's epic music video-"Hanging Tough." it is the ultimate insult >to >>popular culture. (don't try to be cute and email mtv ahead of time to >>"warn" them....this is an innocent joke) >> >> http://www.mtv.com/ >> >> And here is the compelling, dramatic, conclusion: I don't know if >>this is original. I don't know if anyone has ever had this thought >>before. You won't be cursed with bad luck and misfortune if you >choose >>not to pass this on. You, in turn, will not reap lifelong rewards >and >>benefits if you do. But you will laugh your ass off if it works. And >>in that hysterical fit of laughter you will live the long fruitful >>life and die the ill-fated tragic death all at the same time. >>We can make this happen. >> >>Now the author would like to apologize for any misspellings, >offensive >>or politically incorrect ethnic slurs, verbosity, inappropriate word >>use, and failure to convey a lucid, well-organized thought. >> >>Sincerely, >>James Vaughan >> >>P.S. Be sure to include ridiculous things in your request, such as: >>"Please Carson, will you play "Hangin' Tough" by the New Kids on the >>Block. Danny is such a clean-cut boy, and he'll never be in trouble >>with the law. Also, I think that these guys have the Right Stuff, >and >>they're going to be around for a long time." >> >>pps-mark Wed. March 10 on your calendar right now! It would be way >>cool if this worked. >---------- END FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------- > >DISCLAIMER: i am in no way advocating the music of NKOTB, nor do i >even >possess any claim to fandom. i never owned an album, or even had one >of >their cute little faces adorn a lunchbox or a sleeping bag. however, >it's >been ten years--it's time we acknowledged their contribution to the >direction popular music has taken recently (ie. backstreet boys, >n'sync, 98 >degrees, etc etc etc). besides, it'd be darn funny. *grin* > >so frufans, whaddya say? a little stab at those societal powers that >be? >let's go for it! take care, all-- > >^kat^ >"i'm not sprouting wings" >http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:40:26 GMT From: Anna! Subject: Re: Mainstream Direction? (pretty damn long) tom wrote: > I ask you this: is mainstream really that bad that a band should avoid it at > all cost? Maybe one could look at the use of any electric instrument as > mainstream when compared to classical music from earlier centuries, but is it > bad? I would like to believe that an ill mention of mainstream, the poster > really means to talk about selling out to a pop culture simply because it is > popular and not because it is a building step for the band. I can certainly be accused of mainstream bashing as much as the next person, probably more. But I think that comes from a certain bitterness. There is a lot of middle ground though, when one thinks in terms of "mainstream music." While I agree that some of the newer songs; IWHO, When She Talks, etc, sound *less* like some of the more eclectic things Fruvous have done in the past, being less like something does not necissarily make it *more* of something else. I don't think that most of the new songs sound like the mainstream rock I would hear on the radio. Then again, our area radio stations are kinda crappy :) for what it's worth. - -anna- http://elements.dreamhost.com - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 1999 12:09:58 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Speaking of Videos . . . Who was taking videos of FruCon and how can I get one? As I was on the laptop doing the IRC feed most of the day, I heard much, but saw nothing. I would like to get a copy if anyone has one. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 1999 12:09:58 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Speaking of Videos . . . Who was taking videos of FruCon and how can I get one? As I was on the laptop doing the IRC feed most of the day, I heard much, but saw nothing. I would like to get a copy if anyone has one. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:13:05 GMT From: Frumanchu Subject: Re: Mainstream Direction? (pretty damn long) In article <36E5FA89.7CB0D5A2@wckn.clarkson.edu>, Thomas Fazzio wrote: > Seems like everyone has something to say about the 'direction' Moxy Früvous appears to be heading, thus I offer my opinion. [SNIP] > To sum it up in XXX words: Don't be quick to pigeonhole this band based on a > few songs. Are a few mainstream songs really bad songs? I love every new > song I heard, and no matter in what form it's recorded (or played live)I will > enjoy it. AMEN, BROTHER! I agree 100%. - -Phil "His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of morbid curiosity." --Actual quote from Federal employee performance evaluations - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:24:22 -0500 From: "Steve Nordmeyer" Subject: Re: How do I get Moxy Videos? ^kat^ wrote in message <7c494n$3hs$1@news.erinet.com>... > >Steve Nordmeyer wrote : > > >thanks so much for the words of encouragement--we may need it. ;p we got >about six inches of snow last night, so we've had *another* snow day today >[our, uhh, 8th? this year...]. rehearsal was cancelled, too, but opening >night is *thursday*. hopefully one more rehearsal on wed'll be enough. >*crosses fingers* Yeah, I got the same snow you did. Unfortunately, I didn't get the benefit of a day off. Enjoy it while you can. My day consisted of shoveling the driveway (ok, I'm lazy - I used a snowblower), and then driving to work around all the abandoned cars. The bright side of it all is that I LOVE THE SNOW. I love seeing it, shoveling it, driving in it...the whole package. Ah....currently in paradise. > >and i'm w/ you on the videos... having spent half my day off watching VH1 (i >adore pop-up video!), i would *die* to see fruvous's foray into that, ah, >*art form.* :) while i'm hoping my alternative method of obtaining their >videos follows through [waves to chrisO], i certainly would be one of the >first to invest in an authorized copy courtesy of jude & her lovely staff. > I have a chance to get "a copy of a copy" but have an email in to Jude. If I hear any information, I will pass it along. I am not sure if "a copy of a copy" will be great quality, but I am willing to try it. What I AM sure of is that a copy of "a copy of a copy" will suck. But we shall see... Snowy Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:00:21 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl)) In article <7c4s1a$oqt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, nafio@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Having said all this, I realise that Mary didn't necessarily mean "Don't > criticise, they'll take it wherever they're going to and good for them" - I > just used her comments as a springboard. > True enough, constructive criticism is a very good thing. But it's one thing to crticize that a particular song lack instrumental depth and quite another to say I don't like this song because it might be popular. I (again - sheesh!) agree with Chad that the quality of the instrumentation is getting better and better. They're adding all the little touches of folks who have developed their own complex instrumental style. I can't begin to imagine what these songs will sound like once it gets through the recording process, but I'm hoping that it'll be good. If it is and the mass public hears it and loves, well, then everyone gets the best of Fruvous. Mary PS If "bringing the banjo back" is a priority for some folks, could we at least make it a campaign for a NEW banjo without the monitor buzz? - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 1999 14:48:52 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: CTD SkyStar117@aol.com wrote: : personally, i never got over Superman's Song...sigh....my first musical love : in 6th grade..it was the b side of the mmmmmmmm single.....i *still* know all : of the words:) How did that happen? Unless I'm thinking of the wrong song, "mmmmmmm" is off their second album (God Shuffled His Feet), and Superman's Song (always my favourite!) was off their first (The Ghosts That Haunt Me). SS was popular long before mmmmmm existed. Do they make singles like that (mixing albums) - I don't buy many of them, so I don't really know Sara _______ The secret of life: breathe in, breathe out, repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:00:53 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: When She Talks (was Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl))) you brought up something interesting chad. when i first heard "sad girl" i didn't like it at all, but when i first heard "when she talks" i loved it. now i'm realizing that they're very similar lyrically and musically. i think both songs have a long way to go, but that they could both be very effective. ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:06:39 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: When She Talks (was Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl))) I'm getting the hang of this re-subjecting thing, if not just because it makes the subject freakin' huge. *smile* nafio@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Hear hear. Although I must say I've reevaluated "When She Talks". I love the > image that the song conjures up, but lately (It's an earworm I've been playing > it a lot to get it OUT OF MY HEAD dammit) I've been hearing the flaws. I think > there's a good base to it, and I *like* the lyrics but it doesn't quite click. It's not a bad song. It's just a one dimensional song to me. The first time I hear a new song, I'm usually listening to th lyrics and seeing how the music helps it. The next time I hear, I'll be listening for what's changed and add things I think would make the song better in my head. For When She Talks, my first evaluation was simplistic music that really pushes the lyrics out. The song mostly uses the lyrics as the lead and adds backup melody to the song. Not very driving, kinda rambling song. But the lyrics didn't do enough for me to deserve the spotlight the music was giving them. The last time I heard it (Lee's sometime), I imagined a lot of dynamics changes and it helped. It gave the song another trick pony to make it more interesting to me. Like IWHO has all the style changes and the really neat tense work in the lyrics to make it interesting if you are just kinda listening plus interesting if you are really listening. But to me When She Talks is only directed at the first market - the kinda listening people. There's good keyboard/bass work when the bass does some climbing passages between verses, but that's about it. What's the configuration on the song? My head is failing me on answering that question right now. Dave on Bass, Murray on drums, Mike on acoustic, Jian on Vocals? I think that's right. Maybe I shouldn't be judging it too much. I guess I don't do this to Sad Girl and it's got some of the same problems... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:08:02 GMT From: jamn Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe me going away for 2 weeks and my server will freak leaving that much mail on it be back when I return laters J. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:46:58 -0500 From: "Steve Nordmeyer" Subject: Re: unsubscribe jamn wrote in message <36E68951.CBDFC94@fast.net>... >unsubscribe me >going away for 2 weeks and my server will freak leaving that much mail >on it Someone's going to be in for an unpleasant surprise... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:29:04 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Banjo Buzz cricket5@hotmail.com wrote: > PS If "bringing the banjo back" is a priority for some folks, could we at > least make it a campaign for a NEW banjo without the monitor buzz? Amen to that! Hey! Why don't we each chip in 4 cents (CDN) but this time instead of buying Dave Tequila, we'll get him a new pickup for the banjo! A.J. - -- "I still have to disinfect the doorknobs" --Lisa _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:01:10 GMT From: nafio@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: If Only and new album "Leah C. Bridgers" wrote: > How can you even say that I will hold on makes you think of Titanic? It's > like blasphemy! To compare Fruvous to Celine Dion! Gross! I wouldn't mind comparing Früvous to Celine Dion. "Like Celine Dion in 1999, Moxy Früvous were this year's big winners at the Juno Awards." Fiona Harold: "I find this very hard to believe." Red Green: "That's because you're listenin'." Red Green Show - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:05:49 GMT From: nafio@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl)) Mary wrote: > True enough, constructive criticism is a very good thing. But it's one thing > to crticize that a particular song lack instrumental depth and quite another > to say I don't like this song because it might be popular. Oh hear, hear. > I (again - sheesh!) agree with Chad that the quality of the instrumentation > is getting better and better. They're adding all the little touches of folks > who have developed their own complex instrumental style. Chad is Wise. > PS If "bringing the banjo back" is a priority for some folks, could we at > least make it a campaign for a NEW banjo without the monitor buzz? But... but... the old one's so _pretty_ *g* Ok ok. Start passing the hat. I suppose Mike can get creative on a new one too. The "Buy Dave a new banjo" campaign starts HERE. Fiona Harold: "I find this very hard to believe." Red Green: "That's because you're listenin'." Red Green Show - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #252 ********************************************