From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #250 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, March 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 250 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT: a little pop-culture fun... [SkyStar117@aol.com] CTD [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: I'm new too!!! [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: New Album Excitement [joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Josh Woodward)] Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations ["] Re: Banjo. [chad schrock ] Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations ["] Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read ["A.J. LoCic] Re: CTD [SkyStar117@aol.com] Re: a little pop-culture fun... ["KatieWow" ] Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read ["AT Schrade] Re: New Album Excitement ["AT Schrader" ] Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read [joshw@bgnet] Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read ["KatieWow" ] Re: I'm new too!!! [SkyStar117@aol.com] Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read [Thomas Fazz] Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl)) [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:49:54 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: a little pop-culture fun... hehe i got that a while back and saved it for a special occasion like kat's....o well! rock on NKOTB! did anyone else catch them on VH1's teen idolfest?....for mitchell and anyone else w/o cable, ya didnt really miss that much....just a lot of hair spray, mousse and stretch pants....and of course TIFFANY!..sorry, ive been singing I Think We're Alone Now for like 2 years straight....basically it was one week long salute to our youth: - -deb/takin a big gulp from her 1989 comemorative mcdonalds NKOTB cup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:55:57 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: CTD Here in the US, the new Crash Test Dummies album ("Give Yourself a Hand") will not be released until the 23rd of this month. I have a hunch it's already out in Canada, and I'm wondering if anyone has it? Good? Bad? Silly? Heather Moore (who, truth be told, is in LOVE with "Keep a Lid on Things") ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:56:04 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: I'm new too!!! Welcome *Jiel*! I'll leave the full red-carpet entry speach to chad (or is it Chad? I never remember) because I have too much on my mind right now to be so creative, so I'll just say welcome to the group. Hope you stick around for a while, and I think you'll find us a fun bunch. Heather Moore (that's Heather with a capital H -- you'll understand the distinctions between Chad and chad soon, and Heather and heather, and ^kat^ and k@, and so on, and so on...) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 1999 02:30:53 GMT From: joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Josh Woodward) Subject: Re: New Album Excitement : >For those of you who heard Earthquakes at Lee's, I don't feel that you : >truely heard the song. The way they did it there was WAY experimental compared to : >the version they did in Windsor and in Ann Arbor. : : WAY different. WAY. Very true. I'm not sure which one I like better. For those familiar with TMBG, it reminds me of the old vs. new versions of They Got Lost. Perhaps the reason they rearranged it from the banjo version was the fact that it sounded *VERY* much like Tureen. Even if the Windsor version was better, they didn't want two sound-alike songs. Then again, maybe they'll record one version and play the other live. Or maybe it won't make it to the album at all! Keep in mind, there are 17 (!) new songs which are likely candidates for the new album, and most likely others we haven't heard. Yes, they'd all fit on a single CD (trust me *wink*), but it takes up almost the entire 74 minutes. Most bands wouldn't release such a CD. I'm predicting that various tracks will get left behind, and they will end up releasing CD single EPs for the radio-ready songs with the bonus tracks being the unreleased songs. Or maybe they'll ditch everything they've played and record an album of Yanni covers! Or a kids' album! Or a 74-minute "drug sequence" jam! Oh, the possibilities! - -- Josh, who's had *far* too much coffee today - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@mail.bgsu.edu Web Site and Tape List: http://www.dc-adnet.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:49:34 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations Chad Maloney wrote: > > Whoa! Actual Fruvous discussion here. Thanks for the intelligent reply, AJ. > Now I gotta think *grin* Like the old days eh Chad? :D > But Wood is kinda one sided and even when the instrumentation > is complex, it doesn't always add musical depth. I guess I'm not sure I understand the concept of musical depth. Complex instrumentation would seem to indicate musical depth in most cases--to me. But of course, I'm not a musician. How do you define musical depth? > Wood showed maturity musically because it was a conscious departure and showed > confidence in what they were doing. It was also more mature because the > instrumentation grew up from the basic sounds of Bargainville to a fully > stocked instrumentation in Wood. But still some of the musical skills in > Wood weren't as polished as they are now. Ok granted. I agree with all of that. Polish is a function of time. Of course they are more polished now. > Moon added to Wood. It again showed confidence because it was another > departure from what they had done before. The instrumentation was still > thick. But it added a stylistic control that they didn't show on Wood. It > showed many different sides of the band and explored each well. Even > take the weaker songs (my opinions of course) like Boo Time and > Your New Boyfriend, they at least come close to most of Wood. The > strong songs like Sahara surpass what is on Wood to me musically. I guess I can see how you can argue that moon added to wood. I've just never really thought of it that way. For me, Moon was another direction. One step back towards Bargainville, turn left, and then straight on 'till morning. It felt different, so I never thought of it as additive. The variety of the music on moon to me was kind of more a correction of the one-sidedness of wood. As you say, it does effectively show the various sides of the band. As for Sahara, I don't know if I'd agree that it surpasses anything on wood, but it certainly ranks with the strongest wood material. > The "musical fun" is there because of the stylistic control. When you > are playing Get in the Car, it's gonna sound like you are having > more fun than when you are playing Down from Above. Wood deals with > issues a lot of us take close to our heart and so the words mean > much to us. But still musically, Moon is more mature in that it > takes deep orchestration of Wood and applies to across varied styles. Ok. I can see that argument. > > For me the new material seems to be continuing somewhat in the same direction as > > YWGTTM in that it is less folky and more popular/alternative than the older stuff but > > there is more seriousness to it. What does that mean in a nutshell? Well not > > boring, but mainstream? Yeah a bit more so. Obviously there there are songs that > > don't fit the "mold" (just as No No Raja didn't really match the sound of much of the > > rest of "moon.") > > Pick a song off Moon and it really doesn't match the rest of Moon *grin* > I think that was the point. About half of Moon is eclectic, but there IS a musical style that predominates on the album: 60's pop. GITC, Medicine Show, YNB, Lazlo, and Boo Time. These songs (along with the cover art) are stylistically linked and they give a tone to the album. That is a tone that the rest of the songs "go against." That is what I mean by match or not match. I agree that that diversity is a good thing. It does an excellent job of showing off the various sides of fruvous > I think the seriousness comes from the > subject matter. When they talk about themselves, it is a lot easier > to take them more seriously than when they are talking about some crazy > imaginary thing they make up in the van. You're right, Your New Boyfriend > wouldn't fit on Wood at all, but Love Set Fire and Lee would. I agree. I was going on to talk about the direction I see them moving in now. Let's face it, all the new songs (except Pisco) are pretty serious. Even if they are couched in a "fun" style. > > > Songs like Pisco and If Only You Knew and Earthquakes (if only they > > do it the right way!)[1] But songs like IWHO, Independance Day, My Poor Generation, > > You Can't Be Too Careful, Half As Much, Grudge, and When She Talks do all seem to me > > to be in a similar more mainstream vein than anything Fruvous has done previously. > > > > Ok, I'm going out on a limb here: Personally, I really like the first 4 of those > > songs. They seem quite worthy of the Fruvous marque. However I really have not been > > impressed with the latter 3. Maybe they just haven't been developed to their full > > potential yet, but I find each of them to be pretty bland, genaric and forgettable by > > comparison to other frutunes. I mean as songs go, they are fine if you are just > > talking in general, but I do not feel that those 3 currently live up to the lofty > > standards that Fruvous has set for themselves. > > >From that I take you are saying that IWHO, Independence Day, MPG, and > YCGTC hold up and Half As Much, Grudge, and When She Talks don't? Or by > first 4 do you mean Pisco, If Only, Earthquakes, and IWHO? Anyways, I'll > assume the first one and put the second three in with the good songs. The former. I was assuming that it went without saying that Pisco, If Only, and Earthquakes are great, since I love them, and I've never heard anything but praise for them from anyone else. > First, Earthquakes I don't know much about. I missed Windsor and Ann Arbor > but saw it at Lee's and was unimpressed. I could tell what they were trying > to do a little bit, but they didn't do it at all. They know that they > didn't do it at all too, so I'm sure work will go into the song to make > it something they are proud of, you know? That's the problem with > experimenting live with new songs. Sometimes it just doesn't work. Right, but it often a good way (the only way?) to tell if something works or not. I'm not criticizing the band for trying it a new way, I'm just saying that I didn't think the new way worked and that I thought the old way did. I'm sure they'll be working on that more. > I agree > with you here AJ. The version at Lee's wasn't standoutish at all. > In fact, it made my ears hurt. I'd be down on Grudge too, if I hadn't > heard the Buffalo version... I think I heard Grudge somewhere else too. But I can't remember where, or what it sounded like. I guess it didn't stick in my mind very well then! Ok, I'll have to wait and see about grudge. I'm quite aware that I can't judge a song inferior on just one hearing. > I'm not going to mention When She Talks here either because it's pretty > one dimensional to me. It needs something added to it to make it stand > out. The music is written such that the words are prominent, but the > words don't back it up. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. That is an excellent way to put it Chad. I'm gonna add a big Mee Too to that one. > Half as Much and Too Careful are in the same boat to me. They are > really really catchy (Half as Much was the first Frusong I have > really ever had caught in my head after a show and it happens with > Too Careful as well). If the banjo Earthquakes is country-ish, it'll > go really well with Too Careful which sorta borders at times as well. Funny. To me Too Careful is really catchy but Half as Much feels more like wanna be catchy. I think that is what rubs me the wrong way about it. > Half as Much is Laika-ish as well and I like Laika. The lyrics > are strong, but all together, I don't think it's as strong as > many of the other new songs. I guess what appeals to me about > Half As Much, other than the lyrics themselves is the stylings > of the song. It has about 3 or 4 different styles in the song and > mixed between them and I like that a lot. It isn't hard to follow or a > challenge really, but it's still saying things. Hmmm. Had trouble replying to this point until I listened to the song again. Having done that, I don't see a Laika connection there at all! Frankly to me Half as Much sounds like the Beatles circa Rubber Soul. Rubber Soul or Revolver. You could put that track on either one of those and it would blend right in. Maybe my problem with the song is that that is not my idea of Fruvous' music. (Not that I could describe Fruvous' music, but that isn't it. Or I guess maybe it is. Now you have me wondering what that song is going to sound like on the album. Just have to wait and see. > My Poor Generation is freaking incredible. If they record it and record > it right, it'll definitely be one of my favorites. Yes it is. > So I guess I'm not agreeing with you AJ, but you have picked the > weakest of the new songs out to me. Oh you aren't disagreeing. You just like some of the new stuff better than I do, I think. > You also left off a couple that I look forward to seeing again. Things > like Downsizing and Splatter Splatter. I'm really interested to see > if Downsizing survives and where it goes if it does. Can't comment on either of those as I've never heard them. > Given the new songs I've heard, IWHO, My Poor Generation, and Too Careful > are the strongest right now (well, right now = last time I heard them). > They have enough songs that have been debuted that they can probably drop > some too or leave them as live songs. Add Pisco and Country-style Earthquakes to that list, and I'd totally agree with you. > > But AJ, I do think the direction they are going shows musical maturity. > My Poor Generation, Independence Day, and I Will Hold On are probably > the best examples to me. Dave is really really at the best he's > ever done in my opinion, assuming the Dave songs I think are Dave > songs are actually Dave songs. Hmmmm. I wonder why I still find myself balking at that last thought? I think it could be because although I agree that some of the songs show musical maturity, perhaps I don't sense that "maturity" is the direction they are going in. Perhaps we are just arguing semantics here. I don't know! Maybe it is just the paint fumes? A.J. - -- "I still have to disinfect the doorknobs" --Lisa _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:07:22 -0500 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Banjo. Ellen wrote: > and someone must have been in my lab using chloroform this > past weekend (and spilling it everywhere) because i'm getting > a bit woozy from the fumes, so the rest of the aforementioned > catching up might just have to wait a little longer. like > until i can sit here without getting dizzy. what the *hell*??.... Never fear Ellen! Just go outside and make snow angels!!!! - -- chad at radix dot net SNOW!SNOW!SNOW!SNOW!SNOW!SNOW!SNOW!SNOW!! This is the most snow we've had here for THREE years. I'm happy. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:27:03 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations i would seem to me that this is a semantic argument. how can we really define "musical maturity"? certainly all of bargainville was more mature in a sense than was the lads' busking. or was it just more polished? i get the feeling that we're more discussing polish than maturity. because--can terms of maturity really be applied to art? certainly some subject matter can be more mature than other subject matter; but bargainville included a song about the gulf war (try to find a more serious subject) and wood included a song about a monkey and an organ grinder. i guess if one had to define musical maturity, it would be an intrinsic sense of what works musically--what textures fit what lyrics, hoe a tone helps to carry words, etc. i don't think the kind of judgement we're placing on the new material is quite fair just yet. i mean, (discounting banter) if you've heard "king of spain" or "you will go to the moon" once, in a way, you've heard it a million times (unless you're us, in which case murray's line alone makes it a whole new song with every performance :). these new ones have an unlimited ceiling in my opinion. compare recorded and live versions of "video bargainville," "message," and even "sahara." if the guys had recorded these the same way they perfom them, there wouldn't be all that much musically special about them. there remain infinite possibilities once the guys get into the studio with the new ones. we've really only seen these things in baby form--and we've seen some of them evolve and morph in a sense. lyircs fall in and out of "pisco," we've heard at least two versions of "earthquakes." i wouldn't be quick to discount anything or make quality judgements on it in this early stage. i think we all know that if our guys can build entire songs from one word on stage, there's no telling what they can do with a song like "i will hold on" or "earthquakes" once they get into a studio where that's all they're thinking about. i'm incredibly excited by this album not only because i already like all of the new material (yes, including "when she talks") but because i have incredible visions of where it could go. my excitement doesn't lie just in having the new songs in studio format, but having them take on new lives once recorded. ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:28:34 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read Mindy J Munson wrote: > I don't see how you can't find things like Independence Day anything > *but* mature I do. But as I said to Chad, that is the song, not the direction they are going in. Independence Day is very mature. When She Talks has some growing to do. > [1] But songs like IWHO, Independance Day, My > >Poor Generation, > >You Can't Be Too Careful, Half As Much, Grudge, and When She Talks do > >all seem to me > >to be in a similar more mainstream vein than anything Fruvous has done > >previously. > > I Will Hold on has some of the most beautiful lyrics I have heard in a > while and I love it. Me too, but it is a bit more mainstream I think. (That isn't a value judgement) Sad Girl is was strikes me as pop, but I love it! Sad Girl has a bit of a pop temprament, but I don't think that one is all that mainstream (nor particularly tailor-made for radio as some have suggested) >Independence Day, mainstream? > HAHAHHAHAHA Let me catch my breath for a second! Well, more mainstream than most of what fruvous has done before. But not objectively mainstream, no. > All I could think about > when I heard this was "If radio played this, I would actually listen to > the radio!" If radio played ANY Fruvous I'd actually listen to the radio. > Now as for WST, I > have heard the one-dimensional argument. Am I the only one who listens > to a sng to listen to a song? I mean without searching for one great > meaning. I Love more meaningless drivel music than anyone on earth. You should see my collection of 50's do-wop. I was a Beach Boys Fanatic for years. I actually own multiple albums by bands like Gerry and the Pacemakers, and Paul Revere and the Raiders. You don't have to tell me about music that you just listen to. But with fruvous, one of the major attractions is the intelligence of their music. Their lyrics are so clever, the rhymes are amazing. The songs operate on many levels at once. Even a song like Pisco. But When She Talks? I'm sorry. I must be missing something. > Here is my final statment. I think now, as always, Fruvous is writing > from their hearts. I think some of us have seen other bands go > mainstream and are a little wigged out that fruvous may as well. I think > it would be awful if I wrote something from my heart and someone said > "you know, I usually like your stuff, but not this time." I think you are right there. So let me say this: I'm not really that concerned that Fruvous is going "Mainstream". I think some of their current songs have moved in that direction, but I know that that is just where their muse has taken them at this time. Give them some time, and they'll no doubt go wandering off in another direction. You have to be careful about your assumptions with these guys, because next album you could get all polkas (You think I'm kidding? Wait and see!). Frankly I think people who think Fruvous is in the process of "selling out" have got it wrong. If they were gonna sell out, they would have done so after Bargainville. They could have easily done that. If they'd made another Bargainville, they'd be be on the charts here by now, but that isnt what they wanted then, and I doubt that it is now. If there is anybody who is going to go their own way musically it is these four guys, so I wouldn't worry about the fact that some of the current stuff is more mainstream. Mainstream can be good too, when done right. - -- "I still have to disinfect the doorknobs" --Lisa _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:03:08 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: Re: CTD ooooh! CTD! havent heard about them in ages! personally, i never got over Superman's Song...sigh....my first musical love in 6th grade..it was the b side of the mmmmmmmm single.....i *still* know all of the words:) *=-deb-=* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:53:46 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: a little pop-culture fun... that's a shame, ^kat^--my NKOTB sweatshirt was the best one i ever owned :). ~~kate - -- kate leahy kleahy@loyola.edu everybody loves a happy ending but we don't even try we go straight past pretending to the part where everyone loves to cry - --elvis costello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:48:41 GMT From: "AT Schrader" Subject: Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read >>Heather Anne Moore (who got over the trauma of being called HAM long ago, >>so don't get any funny ideas) > >Hey, that's not as bad as my friend Rachel...her middle name starts with an A, >and last name with a T. :-) well, I'm close...A.T.S. I guess i shoud be glad there's nothing in front of amy now...no offense to the other amys, but i did not like my name when i was young, but i'm proud of it now ^_^ Amy Thu Giang Schrader "If i can speak for the serpant, the serpant can speak for the bird" ~Fordy and bus "I *wubbity wubbity*...(turn, glare)....love my boss" ~Jian Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:03:55 GMT From: "AT Schrader" Subject: Re: New Album Excitement well, i can't add anything deep to this discussion, but i will regale you all with a fruvous dream i had a few nites back. I can't really recall much, but i know i was in the studio with them and i happened to get a look at the list of songs that made it to the new album. Among the stuff i could read were IWHO, Grudge, Too Careful, Sad Girl, and Indy. I do remember that Pisco, Earthquakes and When She Talks got cut. Trust me, I am no Joseph...so do not take any of this as factual at all...just thought it was interesting and somewhat amusing. ^_^ Amy "If i can speak for the serpant, the serpant can speak for the bird" ~Fordy and bus "I *wubbity wubbity*...(turn, glare)....love my boss" ~Jian Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 1999 03:38:00 GMT From: joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Josh Woodward) Subject: Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read A.J. LoCicero (cicero@wwnet.com) wrote: : But When She Talks? I'm sorry. I must be missing something. If you're missing something, then I'm right along with you. So alright, Jian's new songs tended to be sappy. They were still good and lyrically interesting. And along comes When She Talks. Ugh. "When she talks, I listen"? "She handles the boys when the drinking gets.. ugly"? "How could just one man ever make her.. hap-py"? "But you can't define the girl - she's her, and I would never try"? I had brought my friend to her first Fruvous concert at she show they first played this at. I was cringing and hoping she wasn't paying attention. I figured the lukewarm response from the audience would seal the fate of it, but they've been playing it incessantly ever since. I don't mean to sound bitter here, but if I hear it again, I'll explode. ;-) To be fair, I like parts of it musically. Maybe if the lyrics were rewritten and it was renamed "When She Stalks" or something.. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@mail.bgsu.edu Web Site and Tape List: http://www.dc-adnet.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:52:15 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read well, i've said this to früchild, so i guess i'll say it to the world. i have to agree with aj--if früvous was going to go mainstream they would have done it after bargainville when the world (well, canada) was begging for it. they could have put out an entire album of a cappella fun stuff like "johnny saucep'n" and "i love my boss." they wouldn't have been the first. heck, hootie and the blowfish have made a career out of it. but they didn't. instead, they made "wood," an album about how their new-found success made them feel, not an album taking advantage of it. though it certainly didn't please the masses, it was some of their best work ever--we can all attest to that. i think that what we're all terming mainstream is what really should be called "pleasing to the masses." in my opinion, mainstream is a term for music that is made specifically for the purpose of fulfilling a market. this would include any of the new guy groups, britney spears, and all those spice girls clones. this would also include nearly any song recorded by celine dion, probably the worst actress alive. her attempts to actually imbue all those diane warren songs with actual emotion fails miserably, especially live. she's got an amazing voice and can make anything sound good, but she's manufactured. one look at any of the members of früvous live (especially during songs like "fly," "drinking song," and "i will hold on") will tell you that this simply isn't the case. because früvous has a grand tradition of making unexpected, eclectic music that we have come to cherish, we balk at anything that sounds too "traditional." but aj hit the nail on the head--this isn't necessarily an evil thing. if there's anyone who can get the "traditional pop band" sound right and do it well and make it work, it's früvous. the four of them have been spending the vast majority of their time together for the past eight years; you can see the way they've grown to know each other. one of them once said in an interview that they can be on stage looking straight ahead and improv perfect harmonies without even looking at each other. other times, only a head motion is necessary to indicate who's taking the third or the fifth. they're more than a band--they're their own musical unit, and they've managed to acheive that without compromising individual musical identities. it really is a amazing quality, one that groups like barenaked ladies still haven't managed to attain (let's face it--ed and steve _are_ the band. the random creeggan song is interesting, but is usually horribly out of place). though sometimes it's obvious who wrote what song, they credit everything to the whole band--and with good cause. the "way to go murray" incident at lee's on saturday night is probably the most perfect example of that. jian railed brent (wasn't it?) for congratulating murray on a song that dave wrote--but it was evident that that's exactly how it should be. without murray's bass line, the song goes nowhere. if you ever wanted a demonstration of the principles of john donne's "meditation 17" (no man is an island . . .) früvous is it. and if they can take these songs and work their früvous magic on them, the world is going to respond. i guess what i'm getting at is that though the new stuff we've been hearing is a little more traditional in leaning, früvous will no doubt pull it off with dexterity and finesse. i can't agree more that to take everything the band does as gold is ridiculous (can we say sheep :)?), i don't think that now is the appropriate time to question the direction the band is going in. i can't wait until july to see what people have to say when they actually have the album in their mitts. somehow, though, i don't think we'll be disappointed--though by that time we may have inflated ourselves with excitement to the point of bursting :). ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:13:13 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm new too!!! Welcome Again Jiel! :) I too hope that you stick around long enough to find out that underneath our wacky, random, sometimes scatty and always fun personas, we're really just a bunch of wack, random, scatty and always fun frufans...well in lori's case degenerate frufans....but still:) so, to quote christian slater( which is _always_ a good thing:) : greetings and salutations!....i accept you into the ng frufamily with open arms and love that there's another photographer out there now who knows about lugging heavy equipment around and can sympathize with me:) much love and happy thoughts *=-deb/ who's forever thankful that youre a Jiel (who's name *rocks*!) and not another deb, b/c there's already altogether too many multiples...-=* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:29:13 -0500 From: Thomas Fazzio Subject: Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read Seems like everyone has something to say about the 'direction' Moxy Früvous appears to be heading, thus I offer my opinion. About the overall direction the new songs seem to be, keep in mind the other three studio albums. A new FrüHead (as I remember being) could listen to Bargainville and find a fun group who have much musical talent but use it in such a way that is unique to themselves. The songs could be labeled 'fun' for a lack of a better term. Then the new listener hearing Wood finds such a 'mellow' and heart-felt album, almost in no way related to the previous album. I remember reading a review of the album which basically says that the new direction Moxy Früvous was taking was much needed for the otherwise satire group. YWGTTM contradicts entirely that 'direction' the band was 'headed' with Wood. Once again, the new FrüHead find a bunch of light, fun songs with the mix, as with Bargainville, of serious songs. So I beg of you all not to get caught in the new 'direction' Moxy Fr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:22:11 GMT From: nafio@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl)) Mary wrote: > I honestly believe these are the songs that the collective Fruvous muse is > directing them to write. If they altered it because some fruheads didn't like > the sound, well, that would be as much a sellout as pandering to the masses. And since I too agree with every word Chad Maloney said in his two posts I'm going to nitpick this instead ;) I think one of the reasons (not the only reason mind you) that Früvous debuts so much material live is to get some feedback from their audience. When the general reaction to the new version of Earthquakes is "bring back the banjo!" (ahem) it might confirm an opinion Dave himself was having about the new direction. Or it might not. But sometimes when you're creating something you can get to close to it.. you need readers... I mean an audience to bounce things off of. (Yeah this comes mostly from me as a writer but I think it applies) That doesn't mean that Früvous has to change things solely because some Früheads don't like a song, but it might mean that they would step back and take a hard look at a song. So constructive criticism's a good thing and if some of you don't like certain songs, try and get past "I don't like it" to "this is why I don't like it". It should generate some on-topic (shock! horror!) discussion and maybe Früvous will take your comments into consideration. Having said all this, I realise that Mary didn't necessarily mean "Don't criticise, they'll take it wherever they're going to and good for them" - I just used her comments as a springboard. > I can't wait to hear this CD. I have every faith that with the material they > have now, it'll be a great one. Hear hear. Although I must say I've reevaluated "When She Talks". I love the image that the song conjures up, but lately (It's an earworm I've been playing it a lot to get it OUT OF MY HEAD dammit) I've been hearing the flaws. I think there's a good base to it, and I *like* the lyrics but it doesn't quite click. Fiona Harold: "I find this very hard to believe." Red Green: "That's because you're listenin'." Red Green Show - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #250 ********************************************