From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #248 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, March 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Sat frucon show [aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992)] Re: If Only and new album [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: Frucon puzzles! ["valerie jones" ] Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl)) [] Re: If Only and new album [BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson)] Re: If Only and new album [BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson)] Re: Susan Werner and Gazebos . . . [BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson)] Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... [BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nichol] Re: Fruvous Godspell ["AT Schrader" ] Re: Ambassadors ["valerie jones" ] Re: Frucon puzzles! ["valerie jones" ] Re: FRUVOUS OPENING FOR BNL??? [BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson)] Re: Moxy license plate ["^kat^" ] Re: How do I get Moxy Videos? ["^kat^" ] Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations [C] Re: FRUVOUS OPENING FOR BNL??? ["^kat^" ] Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... [Thomas Fazzio ] Re: Susan Werner and Gazebos . . . [Chad Maloney http://i.am/not_your_broom "It's fun to steal, but the day you change your ways you'll find out she's exactly the same"~Mono Puff ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 1999 21:09:56 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: If Only and new album Hey, are you calling me weird??! I resmeble that -- I mean, I *resent* that!!! :) Freudian slip... Yeah, that's it.... OK, ok, so it's true. But it's not my fault. It's genetic. Passed down a long lineage of Molloy weirdos. You should see our family gatherings! Hoo boy!! (on a side note, there'll be another addition to our family in October!! The aunt and uncle who came to Lee's with me are going to have a baby. Yippee!! Another cousin!!) Besides that, it's true. Most fish species, especially smaller ones, can't survive fast flowing waters found in main streams. Besides, if he's a bandit trying to escape, it seems pretty silly to me to be fighting the current the whole way... :) Now that I've removed any lingering doubt as to whether or not I'm normal... :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:54:30 GMT From: "valerie jones" Subject: Re: Frucon puzzles! Nate DeRose wrote in message <36E55245.55FA9022@earth.goddard.edu>... >Whoever got the #1 puzzle, drop me an email with your address, and I'll >send you out this piece ASAP! That's me! Dave's puzzle is #1 - so you can help put Dave's shoulder back where it belongs. Thanks so much - I'll send you my address. ~Valerie :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:48:35 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of one particularly sad girl)) In article <36E5461A.C0E43069@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu>, Chad Maloney wrote: > KatieWow wrote: > > > > agreed. there was some talk at frücon of how the new songs are kind of > > boring and mainstream. i can only think of the differences in früvous' > > other material between recordings and performances. though most of us have > > heard a good deal of the new songs, i get the feeling we're still in for > > some surprises. > > Boring and mainstream? Wow. I've never been so excited for the direction > Fruvous is going than I am right now. Each time I hear a new song, it > builds on the lyrical and vocal greatness that Fruvous has always had, but > adds a maturity musically that started with Wood and has been growing > since then. > Chad, I couldn't agree with you more. I love the older stuff, but when I hear "Too Careful" or "1/2 As Much", I just think, "YAY! This tune ROCKS!" There is nothing boring about those harmonies and while they might be somewhat more radio-friendly/mainstream, I don't think that's a bad thing. The songs that they are putting out now are a progression for the band, not some sort of sell out. Because quite frankly, if they were going to sell out, I think they could do a better job of it. ;-) I honestly believe these are the songs that the collective Fruvous muse is directing them to write. If they altered it because some fruheads didn't like the sound, well, that would be as much a sellout as pandering to the masses. I can't wait to hear this CD. I have every faith that with the material they have now, it'll be a great one. Mary, who finds that too often her posts say "I agree with every word Chad Maloney says".... - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 1999 22:16:19 GMT From: BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) Subject: Re: If Only and new album >I agree... I see no mainstream in the Fru's new songs... I mean, a little sap >here and there but who doesnt like sap now and again! I say that they're as >good as ever so PHTBLLTHT!! I hate sap, unless you're talking about syrup. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 1999 22:15:17 GMT From: BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) Subject: Re: If Only and new album >Yes absolutely. Its a shame they've resorted to mainstream sounding songs >like Pisco Bandito and Splatter Splatter. There are just way too many bands >doing this mainstream stuff. ;) I'm GUESSING she was refering to stuff like "Missing Her" and "I will hold on" (which makes me think of Titanic and cringe) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 1999 22:26:56 GMT From: BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) Subject: Re: Susan Werner and Gazebos . . . Okay, so she wasn't the opener in august. Nicole, I am not new to the frupalace, just rarely post. Today i posted a bunch, I'm one of the few males here. Adios Brian ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 1999 22:21:49 GMT From: BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) Subject: Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... The show fell through the world's biggest hole when winstead left. (It's the writers people... Conan O' Brien's simpsons writing is better than his show) As for Jon Stewart... Does anyone here read the comic "Boondoggle"? You should. It's great. No jew jokes, no monica jokes... one of the funniest things on the planet, near "Lethargic Lad" KITH", and of course "Simpsons". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:26:01 GMT From: "AT Schrader" Subject: Re: Fruvous Godspell >> But I must ask: did you leave out "Day By Day" on purpose? :-) >> >> Melanie >> I shall call the pebble "Dare" well, i was just going for all the major male solos that i can remember off hand. If i recall, Day by Day was a female solo (not that it matters). I realized after i sent the post that i should have included it....i dunno, i can kinda hear all the guys sing that one. there's also Light Of the World - definatly a Mike song! Amy "If i can speak for the serpant, the serpant can speak for the bird" ~Fordy and bus "I *wubbity wubbity*...(turn, glare)....love my boss" ~Jian Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:17:11 GMT From: "valerie jones" Subject: Re: Ambassadors Lynne wrote in message ... > >>yes, now we have the perfect reply: "me? a groupie? i don't *think* so. >>i'm an *ambassador*, thank you." > >I laughed out loud when I read that!! GREAT ONE! Hope you don't mind if >I "borrow" your response!! :) actually, lori thought up this response while we were shooting the breeze over a couple of Trucker's Breakfasts. so allow me to speak for both of us when i say "borrow away." ~valerie (now if we could just get some diplomatic immunity to go with these ambassadorships . . . sure would make it easier crossing the border what with all the dumbeks, recording equipment, and stems 'n seeds left over from previous vehicle owners.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:09:53 GMT From: "valerie jones" Subject: Re: Frucon puzzles! Mindy J Munson wrote in message <19990309.131005.-4093095.7.SHAZALINREA@juno.com>... >wasn't it Dave and Mike #1 and Jian and Murray#2? hey now -- i think they're -all- number one, right everybody? um, oh, you're referring to the puzzles. okay. well, i thought they were numbered 1 through 4, but i'm probably wrong. i know for sure that dave is #1 because i just pulled some of his pieces out of this bag he's in. (and i already wrote nate to claim dave's shoulder.) when dave was together, it really looked as if two pieces were missing. i remember that mike's puzzle was missing a piece out of the hat (his brain!!!) . . . can't remember about murray though. ~valerie btw, hi mindy ~ it was great meeting you at con2. :) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 1999 22:09:59 GMT From: BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) Subject: Re: FRUVOUS OPENING FOR BNL??? >even if they only like that one song, we are so not in the position to deem >who is and who isnt worthy enough to go to a concert....it's stupid and >pretentious and i like to think that im above it....ive already ranted on this >though a few weeks back.... so not to attack you sarah, b/c i totally like >you, but i think that everyone who takes even the smallest interest in a band >should be allowed to see them...who knows, maybe they'll grow into a huge >fan.....but even if they dont, it's not our place to judge....im taking this >position b/c Im just thinking of my first TMBG show when i went only liking >NYC..now they're one of my all time favourite bands, if not my absolute >favourite tied with of course Moxy Früvous....so that's it, just something to >think about before we go getting all elitist....we're all above that stuff, >aren't we? Thinking of that floodie spinelli, and how alt.music.tmbg begrudhed her. Yes, it was more to it than that, But, because of my age, I would hate to be at a show for fruvous and have people think I am a BNL fan... because of my age. Sort of like I wouldn't want to be at the 3/4 philly TMBG showand have people assume I like RBF. load of crap. Gr. I'm bitter today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:43:01 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: Moxy license plate Brent McNamee wrote: >Just before somebody nitpicks you to death about Toronto being YYZ, I'll >pre-nitpick for you... *grin* thank you, brent, for helping me defend my reputation as a purveyor of random tidbits of information. i didn't think that the page-a-day trivia calendar would disseminate incorrect info... ^kat^ "you're taking steps that make you feel dizzy" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:54:55 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: How do I get Moxy Videos? Steve Nordmeyer wrote : >(ps - Hi ^kat^ - saw you at the Canal Street show - good luck with your >performance) *grin* hello, steve!! thanks so much for the words of encouragement--we may need it. ;p we got about six inches of snow last night, so we've had *another* snow day today [our, uhh, 8th? this year...]. rehearsal was cancelled, too, but opening night is *thursday*. hopefully one more rehearsal on wed'll be enough. *crosses fingers* and i'm w/ you on the videos... having spent half my day off watching VH1 (i adore pop-up video!), i would *die* to see fruvous's foray into that, ah, *art form.* :) while i'm hoping my alternative method of obtaining their videos follows through [waves to chrisO], i certainly would be one of the first to invest in an authorized copy courtesy of jude & her lovely staff. oh, and as for chad's PS... as long as fruvous doesn't debase themselves for his eulogy, fine by me. ;p ^kat^ "children look up, all they hear is sky blue, bells ringing" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:49:46 GMT From: Carly Breden Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations A.J. wrote: >But songs like IWHO, Independance Day, My Poor Generation, You Can't Be >Too Careful, Half As Much, Grudge, and When She Talks (snip) >Ok, I'm going out on a limb here: Personally, I really like the first 4 >of those songs. They seem quite worthy of the Fruvous marque. However I >really have not been impressed with the latter 3. Maybe they just >haven't been developed to their full potential yet, but I find each of >them to be pretty bland, genaric and forgettable by comparison to other >frutunes. I'd just like to throw in my two cents on this issue. I'm a little surprised to be hearing all of the negative reactions, okay not so much negative as blase, to When She Talks. This was the song that left the greatest impression on me after my very first (and so far only) Fru-show. Also, I've heard Half as Much (side note: thanks, Nate, for putting the 2/20 show up on your webpage, much appreciated) and I think they really hit something with the melody for that one. Its almost frustrating that I couldn't get a handle on the lyrics and so I'm stuck humming. It also seems to be very dance-able, a theory that I refrained from testing in the computer lab. There are alot of new songs that I haven't heard yet, so my question to all of you seasoned concert-goers is: are the others (My Poor Generation, Earthquakes...) that much better in comparison? If they are I have a lot to look forward to in July! :) Carly "ba da dada da bada lala... No Locomotion!..." -me for the past three days ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:36:56 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: FRUVOUS OPENING FOR BNL??? Brian Nicholson wrote : >Thinking of that floodie spinelli, and how alt.music.tmbg begrudhed her. aack! i remember that!! the beginning of the end of my year-long relationship with that NG... i know that you often feel more *proprietary* towards a band when you've been introduced to them via a friend or perhaps even accidentally (as many of us discovered fruvous), but there's no harm in hearing a song on the radio & falling in love with the group as a result. howEVer, i frown deeply upon any over-exuberant pre-pubescent youngster who leaps up and down exhorting the virtues of that single song while breathlessly reaffirming her status as their "number one fan". (after all, it's usually a girl, right? ;p) granted, we live in a capitalist society, so everyone is supposed to be wanting what makes them the most money--and little screaming fans certainly help to fuel that. but when the glamour fades, the next band-du-jour will get the attention... and the "real" fans will still be there, supportive as ever. there'll just be a few more of them than there were before. [btw, just saw the REM behind-the-music this morning (*very* cool), & they talked about similar issues. catch it this weekend on VH1's marathon, if you can...] ^kat^ "i found a way to make you i found a way a way to make you smile" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:06:34 -0500 From: Thomas Fazzio Subject: Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... > << Craig Kilborn .........what's he doing now, anyways? Am I > going to turn on the *real* news some night to see him reporting? > Arabel>> > > Craigyboy's soon to take over The Late Late Show w/ Tom Synder, the > **incredibly** stale show that currently follows Letterman...and he's bringing > his 5 questions with him! yay! Aw gees, so this means competition for Conan now? Crap - I always enjoyed Conan 'cause it's so stupid at times but I could sit there and watch him with no worries about missing another show. Can't wait to see this new addition to the Late Night line up! later, tom. Thomas Fazzio Computer Science '01 Clarkson University fazziote@clarkson.edu http://www.clarkson.edu/~fazziote ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:37:01 GMT From: Donna Subject: Re: New Album Excitement A.J., I just wanted to second this emotion: >[1] For those of you who heard Earthquakes at Lee's, I don't feel that you have >truely heard the song. The way they did it there was WAY experimental compared to >the version they did in Windsor and in Ann Arbor. WAY different. WAY. In fact, it was so different, that i don't know if I liked it or not, I don't know what kind of genre to compare it to, and I certainly have no idea how much of an "experiment" it really was... although didn't they say before they did it that it was a "totally new way" (or something like that) for "Earthquakes?" I was quite taken with "Earthquakes" in Ann Arbor and Pittsburgh... but it was very different in TO. I think, in general, that we all have to remember that what the guys did on the road may or may not resemble the finished product. In so many ways, we get "test drives" of songs... but that doesn't mean that when they sit down in the studio and have some serious time to work and revise, that something different, better--grows out of that. I"m not trying to sound like the "Fruvous Studio Expert" :) But I do know that songs grow and change as you have more time to work on them. Besides, I think we've all seen enough songs grow and change even after they've been on the albums to the way we're seeing them in the shows. It's one of the reasons I am hooked on fruvous... things just get better! (Let's take Sahara, for example!) :) Wow. I said a lot. Didn't mean to. Thanks for reading, donna %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "ahthOOn SSyng!" I said. "That's farewell." "It sounds evil." "It is," I answered, and we parted. --Gail Levine "Ella Enchanted" %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:54:46 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Susan Werner and Gazebos . . . Nicole the Wonder-Nerd wrote: > Hail Brian, welcome to the Palace of Frü. Chad will be along to roll > out the welcome wagon shortly. Brian Nicholson wrote: > > Okay, so she wasn't the opener in august. Nicole, I am not new to the > frupalace, just rarely post. Today i posted a bunch, I'm one of the few > males here. See, and I didn't roll out the welcome wagon for him. At least not the FDC welcome wagon. He did get the Susan Werner welcome wagon though. Or at least as much of the Susan Werner welcome wagon as I could muster up *Grin* And I'm male and I post a bunch too. Maybe it's genetic. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:24:46 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations Whoa! Actual Fruvous discussion here. Thanks for the intelligent reply, AJ. Now I gotta think *grin* "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > > Really?!?!? Chad, you surprise me. I really like some of the new songs and I don't > particularly care for others. There does seem to be a direction (sort of) that the > new material is taking, but I would not call that direction "musical maturity." From > where I sit, wood was the most musically mature thing they've done. YWGTTM was a > step into another direction. Kind of wry eclectic pop. Great stuff, but musically > mature? Gimme a break! Musical fun more like. Nope. I honestly mean more musical maturity. Wood was deep, but it wasn't all together. Wood is my favorite Frudisc to date, so don't think I'm getting down on it. But Wood is kinda one sided and even when the instrumentation is complex, it doesn't always add musical depth. Wood showed maturity musically because it was a conscious departure and showed confidence in what they were doing. It was also more mature because the instrumentation grew up from the basic sounds of Bargainville to a fully stocked instrumentation in Wood. But still some of the musical skills in Wood weren't as polished as they are now. Moon added to Wood. It again showed confidence because it was another departure from what they had done before. The instrumentation was still thick. But it added a stylistic control that they didn't show on Wood. It showed many different sides of the band and explored each well. Even take the weaker songs (my opinions of course) like Boo Time and Your New Boyfriend, they at least come close to most of Wood. The strong songs like Sahara surpass what is on Wood to me musically. The "musical fun" is there because of the stylistic control. When you are playing Get in the Car, it's gonna sound like you are having more fun than when you are playing Down from Above. Wood deals with issues a lot of us take close to our heart and so the words mean much to us. But still musically, Moon is more mature in that it takes deep orchestration of Wood and applies to across varied styles. Plus as musicians, they've all gotten much better. I get amazed at times with what they do and are doing and that really excites me and is why I keep going back. > For me the new material seems to be continuing somewhat in the same direction as > YWGTTM in that it is less folky and more popular/alternative than the older stuff but > there is more seriousness to it. What does that mean in a nutshell? Well not > boring, but mainstream? Yeah a bit more so. Obviously there there are songs that > don't fit the "mold" (just as No No Raja didn't really match the sound of much of the > rest of "moon.") Pick a song off Moon and it really doesn't match the rest of Moon *grin* I think that was the point. I think the seriousness comes from the subject matter. When they talk about themselves, it is a lot easier to take them more seriously than when they are talking about some crazy imaginary thing they make up in the van. You're right, Your New Boyfriend wouldn't fit on Wood at all, but Love Set Fire and Lee would. > Songs like Pisco and If Only You Knew and Earthquakes (if only they > do it the right way!)[1] But songs like IWHO, Independance Day, My Poor Generation, > You Can't Be Too Careful, Half As Much, Grudge, and When She Talks do all seem to me > to be in a similar more mainstream vein than anything Fruvous has done previously. > > Ok, I'm going out on a limb here: Personally, I really like the first 4 of those > songs. They seem quite worthy of the Fruvous marque. However I really have not been > impressed with the latter 3. Maybe they just haven't been developed to their full > potential yet, but I find each of them to be pretty bland, genaric and forgettable by > comparison to other frutunes. I mean as songs go, they are fine if you are just > talking in general, but I do not feel that those 3 currently live up to the lofty > standards that Fruvous has set for themselves. From that I take you are saying that IWHO, Independence Day, MPG, and YCGTC hold up and Half As Much, Grudge, and When She Talks don't? Or by first 4 do you mean Pisco, If Only, Earthquakes, and IWHO? Anyways, I'll assume the first one and put the second three in with the good songs. First, Earthquakes I don't know much about. I missed Windsor and Ann Arbor but saw it at Lee's and was unimpressed. I could tell what they were trying to do a little bit, but they didn't do it at all. They know that they didn't do it at all too, so I'm sure work will go into the song to make it something they are proud of, you know? That's the problem with experimenting live with new songs. Sometimes it just doesn't work. Grudge is the same. I did see the first Grudge in Buffalo and it was really good. Nice and polished. But I guess it wasn't heavy enough. The version at Lee's was laughable to me. It was pure noise and it took my attention to pick out the Grudge I knew from Buffalo in the song. Grudge from Buffalo was more Independence Day sounding if anyone wants a reference point. But again, they know it what came out at Lee's wasn't what they wanted to come out and it'll probably get work. I agree with you here AJ. The version at Lee's wasn't standoutish at all. In fact, it made my ears hurt. I'd be down on Grudge too, if I hadn't heard the Buffalo version... I'm not going to mention When She Talks here either because it's pretty one dimensional to me. It needs something added to it to make it stand out. The music is written such that the words are prominent, but the words don't back it up. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. Half as Much and Too Careful are in the same boat to me. They are really really catchy (Half as Much was the first Frusong I have really ever had caught in my head after a show and it happens with Too Careful as well). If the banjo Earthquakes is country-ish, it'll go really well with Too Careful which sorta borders at times as well. Half as Much is Laika-ish as well and I like Laika. The lyrics are strong, but all together, I don't think it's as strong as many of the other new songs. I guess what appeals to me about Half As Much, other than the lyrics themselves is the stylings of the song. It has about 3 or 4 different styles in the song and mixed between them and I like that a lot. It isn't hard to follow or a challenge really, but it's still saying things. My Poor Generation is freaking incredible. If they record it and record it right, it'll definitely be one of my favorites. So I guess I'm not agreeing with you AJ, but you have picked the weakest of the new songs out to me. You also left off a couple that I look forward to seeing again. Things like Downsizing and Splatter Splatter. I'm really interested to see if Downsizing survives and where it goes if it does. > Perhaps it is unfair to expect them > to continuously meet such high expectations, unfortunately, once you are shown to be > as good as they have been shown to be, the public holds you to that standard > forever. I don't think you are being unfair at all. You need to demand quality from the band or else you are cheating yourself. Fruvous can make things that suck and if we still eat it up, something is wrong here. Given the new songs I've heard, IWHO, My Poor Generation, and Too Careful are the strongest right now (well, right now = last time I heard them). They have enough songs that have been debuted that they can probably drop some too or leave them as live songs. But AJ, I do think the direction they are going shows musical maturity. My Poor Generation, Independence Day, and I Will Hold On are probably the best examples to me. Dave is really really at the best he's ever done in my opinion, assuming the Dave songs I think are Dave songs are actually Dave songs. Of course all this is just my opinion and you can take that for what it's worth as always. *grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:13:13 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations of Well thats how long I must wait for the album AND a concert , so =+P fruchild, " I AM the band" Murray 2/6/99 On 9 Mar 1999 20:45:54 GMT jsmooth69@aol.com (JSmooth69) writes: ><> > >Ugh, that's waaayyyy too long for me to wait. I just hope I won't be >in Las >vegas at the time of the release. I dunno if it'll be much harder to >find out >there or what. ::sigh::: > >Jason >"Dad is great. Give us chocolate cake." -Bill Cosby > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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