From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #210 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, March 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 210 Today's Subjects: ----------------- susan werner ["Hell Hotel" ] Some thoughts on the FruCon articles [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Lues] Re: Honourary Canadians ["Arbie Fru" ] well it's been.....One week!!!!!!! ["nic that girl" ] Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. [Nate DeRose ] Re: Bottom Line Record Co.? [Chad Maloney ] Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. [Anna! ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Mar 1999 05:25:57 GMT From: "Hell Hotel" Subject: susan werner Hey, fruheads did anyone tape susan werners performance last saturday? vid or aud...if so, I'd LOVE to get a copy of it. thanks. - -Eric HellHotel@tmbg.org Http://i.am/HellHotel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:59:11 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Some thoughts on the FruCon articles In article <19990228.205620.-4056087.0.petit_chou@juno.com>, petit_chou@juno.com says... > Anna said nervously, > >And if I'm just overreacting and being paranoid...ignore me :) > >Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. > It's okay hon. Take a breath. : ) > Heather Moore, who's read the article and doesn't think Anna is a beast. I'll second Heather's opinion - I just read both Anna's and Lisa's articles, and didn't find anything disagreeable in either one. I wrote a long diatribe here on how I envy Anna's ability to be a quiet fan (the price of being out-there for a weekend is beating oneself up with embarrassment for months afterward), and how getting inspiration from one's heroes is a good thing but getting obsessed never is, and how it really is true that the main joy of FruCon is the camaraderie of the fans, even more than getting to see the band. But then I deleted it. I think at least most of the people here understand all that already. I couldn't think of anything original that hadn't already been said better by someone else. k@ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:52:34 -0800 From: "Arbie Fru" Subject: Re: Honourary Canadians Srm9988n@aol.com wrote in message ... snip >And: if you don't know what ice wine is, sorry you can't be Canadian, >honourary or otherwise. > >-- Lori, feeling picky. >******************** >"In the hush before the heartbreak everything's beautiful." > Of course, if you can easily afford quantities of the stuff you can be *my* friend. - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc "Reply to" address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. *new e-mail* afru@direct.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:17:50 -0800 From: "nic that girl" Subject: well it's been.....One week!!!!!!! Since you looked at me......Opps wrong band!!!!!! Well we were just relishing on our fond memories of FRUCON on this past Friday night!!!! At the con we met a WHOLE bunch of kids from DC and we being from the ACTUAL Toronto area were well received!!! WE joined in their Fruhead fun and we all sang and hung together!!! I just want them to KNOW that we had an even better time thanks to them!!!! WE were trying to share with them our other favourite Canadian band the Waltons, and they didn't know who they were but we weren't offended or anything it's just a fact of their careers!:( And the lack of support from their record company!! ( The Fru does shows with them in the Toronto area during the summer and stuff like that!) So as I come to the actual point of our being here!!! We were personally invited by Jian, while standing outside the bathroom in the basement of the Horseshoe!! We were there to see the Waltons and he just happened into the area that we were camped out in to avoid the heat from upstairs!!!! He was So GREAT he stayed and chatted with us about everything and we got to tell him how we sooooooo loved FRUCON and how much of a Blast we had there!!!!! We also heard talk of Murray being around and Dave!! ( We didn't see them though) We saw Jude and she said hi!! Thank you all those involved!!!!!! nic and ange ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 06:38:42 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: That budgie fish postcard Day by day, I haunt my mailbox, hoping for a budgie fish postcard to add to my Fruvous wall display. Am I the only person left who never got one? - --nicole the Honourary Canadian *** "As the bullet leaves the gun, the moon bows to the sun; what has died has just begun--it's the same for everyone."--The Paperboys Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is INCORRECT! Think of it as an intelligence test. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:04:52 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: That budgie fish postcard In article <36da356b.12377145@news.inreach.com>, nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org says... > Day by day, I haunt my mailbox, hoping for a budgie fish postcard to > add to my Fruvous wall display. Am I the only person left who never > got one? I never got one either - I asked Jude about it at Lee's, and she told me that they were only mailed out to a limited area. Darn it. k@ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:32:59 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: That budgie fish postcard nicole said: >Day by day, I haunt my mailbox, hoping for a budgie fish postcard to >add to my Fruvous wall display. Am I the only person left who never >got one? No! I'm with you and I'm equally saddened by my lack of budgie fish postcardage and it's SO weird that you mentioned this cause I was trying to remember what it was called so I could ask about it. Was this something that everyone who gets the Quills is 'sposed to get? Cause Jude sent my the latest Quill a while ago, but I didn't get no budgie fish. Thbbbt! Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 02:42:39 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: That budgie fish postcard > nicole said: > >Day by day, I haunt my mailbox, hoping for a budgie fish postcard to > >add to my Fruvous wall display. Am I the only person left who never > >got one? I didn't get one either.... :( nate (looking sadly into the distance) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 02:47:10 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. Anna! wrote: > the url is: http://www.dreamsbay.com (just follow the links to the FruCon > articles, it's pretty simple!) Am I the only one who is pulling up this page and seeing NO links? Just a title image........ and that's it.... :( nate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 03:06:22 -0500 From: Thomas Fazzio Subject: Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. clicking on that title image brings you to the links... aka - http://www.dreamsbay.com/inkblots.html later, tom. Nate DeRose wrote: > Anna! wrote: > > the url is: http://www.dreamsbay.com (just follow the links to the FruCon > > articles, it's pretty simple!) > > Am I the only one who is pulling up this page and seeing NO links? > > Just a title image........ and that's it.... > > :( > > nate ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1999 10:23:04 GMT From: fgardine@uoguelph.ca (F. Gardiner) Subject: Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. Anna! (aadler1@tiger.towson.edu) wrote: : The editors of Inkblots are probably going to officially announce this : tomorrow, but I wanted to take a second to make my own announcement, along : with an explanation which I feel is needed. I'll admit that Anna's article did anger me quite a bit for a few minutes. I did realise that it was a personal view of events, not an overview like Lisa's (which was a very nice summary, thanks Lisa) but there were a few points that got under my skin. After reading Anna's post, and a little time, I simmered down. My only criticism now would be that perhaps you submitted the article without reading it over properly, but I gather you know that so I won't press the point. However, I would like to address a few things, without in anyway attacking Anna or anyone who agrees with her, simply as an explanation of how I see things. (This is a personal opinion, it was posted around 5 am. end disclaimer) First off, never be ashamed of being a "quiet fan". Quite frankly, a year from now you'll probably wonder where that quiet went... I spent my first real Früvous concert standing way at the back of the seating area, and got the hell out before anyone might (gasp) *talk* to me, *especially* the band. Now I can walk into a room of 250 Früheads and know either by face or by name nearly 200 of them. And I do things like teach people my ASL version of Horseshoes while the band is watching.[1] But quiet is good. With all us loud, talkative, expressive folks, we need *someone* who will just listen and watch. ;) (For the record, some of us louder ones still announce to the rest of the van that "We do NOT have the bus fare" for certain topics *g*) Secondly, I get the feeling that you've either met one too many Moxy Morons ("fan" fans as Jian called them) or you're just generally confused as to where the "line" lies. As I have been known to say before, I'm a Backstreet Boys fan. One glance at a group of typical BSB fans and another glance at a group of Früheads will tell you that while there are the odd few people among us who go over the line (obsess totally over "Murray's ass" or something and *not* be kidding) most of the time it comes back to the music. Sometimes people appear to be crossing the line when they're just poking fun at people who do cross the line.. that odd self-deprecating sense of humour. Most of us do have that little voice in the back of our heads that says "You're insane. You're having a ton of fun and you're not hurting anyone, but you're insane." It keeps us from becoming true stalkers or anything like that. If you *do* meet people who are utterly serious when they say things like "I'm going to marry Dave" or something (I haven't yet) by all means, run fast. Third, do we keep Früvous from leaving when they really want to? On one hand I was a little disappointed Mike didn't stick around for one out of the two nights, (I wasn't there Sunday) but I wasn't really expecting him to. It's Toronto. He goes home. We keep him away from his wife quite enough, when he's home I keep the hell out of his way. Also, remember that there *was* the alternate exit that he used. Dave used it on Saturday night (to my great amusement actually... "Oh look.. the TTC closes in 20 mins.. there goes Dave!") They all had the option of leaving through that door instead of coming right out to where we were all milling about, waiting for them or not. Some of them chose to come out and talk. Granted, Jian especially stayed quite a while, but I doubt he was forced to stay longer much longer than he wanted to. (Thinking back both to times when it has been definitely time to go and Jian politely made that clear and to times when er.. Jian was the last person to leave a venue. Literally.) Früvous does give out a lot more of themselves than most bands but I agree with Chris that the vast majority of the time, they are totally in control with how much they give of themselves. There are a sort of different set of rules for a show in Toronto than a show elsewhere but they're not *that* different. A couple of random things like "don't camp out on anyone's lawn" or "for goodness sake, don't start bothering any of them if you see them out to dinner or something - they're off-duty now" apply but that's pretty much common sense. In my Windsor review I teased about accepting the challenge to find their rehearsal space but I'd never actually _do_ it and I don't know many who would. I did reflect a couple of times over the weekend that we are a very scary bunch.. especially when I got to live out my dream of taking a *large* group of Früheads on the TTC. I felt kind of sorry for those who got thrust into that weekend as their first Frühead/Früvous experience. It's overwhelming - I don't blame Murray for being nervous. Even at last year's "intimate gathering" of 100 there were faces that the guys didn't recognise.. and really it's through talking to and recognising us that they've come to realise we're only insane in a good way. I am sorry, Anna, that Frücon wasn't quite what you expected it to be. The committee tried hard, but accepted that we couldn't please every single person of the almost 300... I guess you turned out to be one of those we couldn't entirely please. Maybe next year? Fiona [1] which I'm now slightly paranoid about .. again. War9 Vaq Research Girl: http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/jdvachon/ Quoting Frühead: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3227/ Pretender-l Ratings Messenger: http://www.nbc.com/pretender hey, we were good little frufans: we stopped before we killed anyone - Caroline ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1999 11:57:32 GMT From: jon@mrrl.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Subject: Re: Sad Today BBWMinors (bbwminors@aol.com) wrote: : Not that that won't happen eventually but there's : something about anticipation of something that needs to be shared with the : others who anticipate it -- like everyone on the NG who I assume will all get : their/our hands on the new CD around the same time and what an overwhelming : number of posts we can all look forward to. !!!!! Except for those of us on the eastern side of the Atlantic who can't get FruMaterial for love nor money (at least if they, like me, don't possess a credit card and thus can't take advantage of things like Amazon.com). We'll be getting the new CD (along with all the others) just slightly after Hell freezes over I'm lead to believe. Oh well, at least I can pick up all the Goon Show tapes over here in most record shops. One must be thankful for small mercies I suppose. - -- Tatty bye, Jim'll ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:13:47 GMT From: Christi218@aol.com Subject: Re: That budgie fish postcard In a message dated 99-03-01 02:04:07 EST, nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org writes: > Day by day, I haunt my mailbox, hoping for a budgie fish postcard to > add to my Fruvous wall display. Am I the only person left who never > got one? Nope, I didn't get one either. :-( Which areas were they mailed to? Christine. - --Chrissy_K on irc *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ Christi218@aol.com & bh108@freenet.buffalo.edu - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!!!!!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright.....delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1999 13:45:42 GMT From: connacht80@aol.com (Connacht80) Subject: Re: about the flyers and curling SkyStar117 wrote: >K, so im watching the rangers/flyers game this afternoon and in the middle i >stop and ask myself what the hell im doing....i was rooting for philly b/c >flyers and jian and the whole circle of frü thing!!! You were really rooting for the Flyers because they are the best looking team in the NHL. I was going to say because they are the best, but even a Stepford Flyer Fan like me can't lie to myself that much. But if MF has made more Flyers fans - terrific! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:47:01 GMT From: "Phil Schwan" Subject: Re: You can't HANDLE the details!!! - My weekend in review I can't really blame them...their thing looks good on paper... >To: ammf@fruvous.com >From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) >Subject: Re: You can't HANDLE the details!!! - My weekend in review >Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:53:23 -0700 > >In article , >katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) says... >> In article <19990226134500.12225.qmail@hotmail.com>, >> frumanchu@hotmail.com says... > >> > But on the sharing women thing...I have to echo the "ungh!" >> >> Dammit, if so many people feel this way, then how come we NEVER score? >> >> k@ >> channeling Beavis today > > I blame the communists. > >-- >Tom >Gotta blame *someone*... > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:35:06 GMT From: "Mary Krause" Subject: Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. (i seem to be having trouble sending this - I apologize if y'all get multiple copies) I like the article you wrote, Anna. Mostly because I think it's good to look at where the line between performer and fan is and to see how close you are to crossing it. There is a lot of craziness to this whole FruHead experience. A craziness to the point where a lot of my friends who love the band won't call themselves "a fruhead." A craziness that led Jian to tell us that the scent thing was "all in good fun" with a tone meant to tell us if it wasn't we'd better start thinking of it like that. A lot of people do go overboard. Getting upset when the guys don't stay after to talk is a good example. As Chris pointed out, the guys do hang around after shows so often that people come to expect it. But getting upset if they don't is crossing the line - whether it's in Toronto and Mike's wife is waiting to go home or Cleveland and Murray wants to go to sleep. However, there's a good side to the craziness. Is it crazy to spend so much of my money on airfare, hotels and concert tickets? The money could definitely go to other things. But I've seen new cities that I may never have gone to, met people who've changed my life for the better and heard countless artists besides Moxy Fruvous who have broadened my musical horizens. A good example is Owen Sound, Ontario. I had never even heard of this town until Fruvous played a show there last summer. But after spending a few days in this beautiful town (we went up early to explore a nearby national park), I had made several new friends and came to know artists like The Arrogant Worms, Martin Sexton and those Nickle Creek kids. (I'm still looking for their CD which sold out the first day they played!) In the end, you need to decide how you want to relate to this band that gives you so many opportunities to do so. And you need to look at the people you've met in the FruHead world and see who shares your visions of life outside of Fruvous. It takes more than liking the same band to make a real friendship. But there are a lot of amazing people here, so they're worth getting to know. All in all, I liked your article. It did a great job of expressing what you thought of the weekend, and I like the way you concluded it - "As a result, I sincerely hope that the unparalleled closeness this band allows itself to have with its fans is always present and is never compromised. I believe it's a delicate balance to strike, and Fruvous does it extremely well." I hope so too. :) Mary PS Kudos, Chris O'Malley, your answers in that article were excellent. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:21:13 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. I like the article you wrote, Anna. Mostly because I think it's good to look at where the line between performer and fan is and to see how close you are to crossing it. There is a lot of craziness to this whole FruHead experience. A craziness to the point where a lot of my friends who love the band won't call themselves "a fruhead." A craziness that led Jian to tell us that the scent thing was "all in good fun" with a tone meant to tell us if it wasn't we'd better start thinking of it like that. A lot of people do go overboard. Getting upset when the guys don't stay after to talk is a good example. As Chris pointed out, the guys do hang around after shows so often that people come to expect it. But getting upset if they don't is crossing the line - whether it's in Toronto and Mike's wife is waiting to go home or Cleveland and Murray wants to go to sleep. However, there's a good side to the craziness. Is it crazy to spend so much of my money on airfare, hotels and concert tickets? The money could definitely go to other things. But I've seen new cities that I may never have gone to, met people who've changed my life for the better and heard countless artists besides Moxy Fruvous who have broadened my musical horizens. A good example is Owen Sound, Ontario. I had never even heard of this town until Fruvous played a show there last summer. But after spending a few days in this beautiful town (we went up early to explore a nearby national park), I had made several new friends and came to know artists like The Arrogant Worms, Martin Sexton and those Nickle Creek kids. (I'm still looking for their CD which sold out the first day they played!) In the end, you need to decide how you want to relate to this band that gives you so many opportunities to do so. And you need to look at the people you've met in the FruHead world and see who shares your visions of life outside of Fruvous. It takes more than liking the same band to make a real friendship. But there are a lot of amazing people here, so they're worth getting to know. All in all, I liked your article. It did a great job of expressing what you thought of the weekend, and I like the way you concluded it - "As a result, I sincerely hope that the unparalleled closeness this band allows itself to have with its fans is always present and is never compromised. I believe it's a delicate balance to strike, and Fruvous does it extremely well." I hope so too. :) Mary PS Kudos, Chris O'Malley, your answers in that article were excellent. - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:24:40 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. I like the article you wrote, Anna. Mostly because I think it's good to look at where the line between performer and fan is and to see how close you are to crossing it. There is a lot of craziness to this whole FruHead experience. A craziness to the point where a lot of my friends who love the band won't call themselves "a fruhead." A craziness that led Jian to tell us that the scent thing was "all in good fun" with a tone meant to tell us if it wasn't we'd better start thinking of it like that. A lot of people do go overboard. Getting upset when the guys don't stay after to talk is a good example. As Chris pointed out, the guys do hang around after shows so often that people come to expect it. But getting upset if they don't is crossing the line - whether it's in Toronto and Mike's wife is waiting to go home or Cleveland and Murray wants to go to sleep. However, there's a good side to the craziness. Is it crazy to spend so much of my money on airfare, hotels and concert tickets? The money could definitely go to other things. But I've seen new cities that I may never have gone to, met people who've changed my life for the better and heard countless artists besides Moxy Fruvous who have broadened my musical horizens. A good example is Owen Sound, Ontario. I had never even heard of this town until Fruvous played a show there last summer. But after spending a few days in this beautiful town (we went up early to explore a nearby national park), I had made several new friends and came to know artists like The Arrogant Worms, Martin Sexton and those Nickle Creek kids. (I'm still looking for their CD which sold out the first day they played!) In the end, you need to decide how you want to relate to this band that gives you so many opportunities to do so. And you need to look at the people you've met in the FruHead world and see who shares your visions of life outside of Fruvous. It takes more than liking the same band to make a real friendship. But there are a lot of amazing people here, so they're worth getting to know. All in all, I liked your article. It did a great job of expressing what you thought of the weekend, and I like the way you concluded it - "As a result, I sincerely hope that the unparalleled closeness this band allows itself to have with its fans is always present and is never compromised. I believe it's a delicate balance to strike, and Fruvous does it extremely well." I hope so too. :) Mary PS Kudos, Chris O'Malley, your answers in that article were excellent. - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1999 14:19:29 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Honorary Canadians Try the "Are you Canadian Quiz" http://www.islandnet.com/~drtongue/canada.html That should help out! (and it's funny!) Sara _______ The secret of life: breathe in, breathe out, repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:55:24 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Bottom Line Record Co.? Brent McNamee wrote: > > Hi all! > > I was hunting around for the Bottom Line Record Co's web site tonight, > and I found a few of them! Does anyone remember from the 'Con what > their URL is / is going to be? I thought Kevin said http://www.thebottomlinerecordco.com, but I'm not 100% sure. That URL isn't active right now. You can probably email blinerecs@aol.com to get more information... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:07:33 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: "Zen" Fruvous Songs Donna wrote: > But with both "You Can't Be Too Careful" and "Earthquakes" they're > talking about letting go sometimes (Or as Ani would say: not "get their > panties all in a twitch!") :) Obviously: "You can't agonize over it, > make your mind up and go for it" I think it's "You can agonize over it". "You can't be too careful. You can agonize over it. You can't be too careful. Make your mind up and go for it." Which I take as saying that it's okay to sit down and truly think out an important decision well before making it. But you should decide that you are gonna do that up front so you aren't agonizing over it at the last minute. But that's just what my ears hear... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:54:27 GMT From: Anna! Subject: Re: FruCon article, and my explanation. In article <7bdpq8$bo1$1@testinfo.uoguelph.ca>, fgardine@uoguelph.ca (F. Gardiner) wrote: > Third, do we keep Früvous from leaving when they really want to? No, *we* do not. *You* do not. *I* do not. That is why it was more of a question posed in the article that a statement. What I hopefully meant to ask (and obviously didn't) was not whether the majority of fans piss of the band, which we all *know* they don't, but whether the *small* minority realizes when to lay off. Like I said, I love that the guys come out after the show. I would simply hate to see that compromised by such a small group. Whether that would ever happen or not, I simply don't know. > I did reflect a couple of times over the weekend that we are a very scary > bunch.. especially when I got to live out my dream of taking a *large* > group of Früheads on the TTC. I felt kind of sorry for those who got thrust > into that weekend as their first Frühead/Früvous experience. It's > overwhelming - I don't blame Murray for being nervous. Even at last year's > "intimate gathering" of 100 there were faces that the guys didn't > recognise.. and really it's through talking to and recognising us that > they've come to realise we're only insane in a good way. Yes, I admit it was utterly overwhelming. That was a big part of it. While it was niether my first Fruvous nor Fruhead experience, it was by far the largest. My personal reasons (I wasn't going to go into them though now it seems I will) for discomfort that weekend do not come from the 'insanity', which I'm sure I hold in my own way, but from one or two personal attacks that we made on me, for *not* being the typical fan. Because it is *completely* unrepresentative of anyone I have ever spoken to on the boards or IRC, it wasn't something that needs to be discussed really, but it hurt and made me think about a lot of things. Clearly, I couldn't base an article on one or two people who slighted me, but I could write about how it made me feel, and what that step back showed me. > I am sorry, Anna, that Frücon wasn't quite what you expected it to be. The > committee tried hard, but accepted that we couldn't please every single > person of the almost 300... I guess you turned out to be one of those we > couldn't entirely please. Maybe next year? Another point - I think that Frucon was wonderful. I think it was exactly what it needed to be. I think the planning committee obviously put a tremendous amount of care and work into it, and probably 99% of people who attended had a wonderful time. I had a fun time, I'm not saying that I didn't. It just wasn't my scene, regardless of however well or differently it was planned. My personality, I suppose, predetermined that, and maybe I should have realized that before I got there. > [re: ASL Horseshoes] which I'm now slightly paranoid about .. again. Again, I'm not attempting to impose any ideas on anyone, including paranoia. I was standing next to Drea the whole time she was signing the song, and thought it was cool that she knew it. Personally, I choose to sway, but that's just me. I pointed out in the article, my interests (or lack thereof) shouldn't make me better or worse. Just different, which is fine with me, and probably you (Fiona as well as the collective ng), but not the people who saw fit to tell me, "you don't act *this* way...you are not a *real* fan." That's just their viewpoint, you know? Yeah, it hurts a bit, but I'll get over it :) It's not a big deal. But I was asked to write this, and to my dismay, as much as to anyone else who helped with the con, that was what stuck out. It isn't anyone's fault, so please don't think I am attempting to throw blame. I guess I have apologized enough...for this morning anyway. - -anna- http://www.eccentrica.org/elements - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #210 ********************************************