From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #150 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, February 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ohioans (was American Smarties) [Donna ] Re: Philly City Paper Troc Piece [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) [Becky ] Re: Philly and stuff.... [toetappr1@aol.com (Toetappr1)] Re: Fruvous and Musicals (was Philly and stuff) [toetappr1@aol.com (Toeta] Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) ["KatieWow" ] Re: New spring dates ["^kat^" ] Heather Made A Convert! [petit_chou@juno.com] Euthanasia (was Kevorkian) [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: Phantom... [affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affannato)] Re: Phantom... [remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat)] Re: Heather Made A Convert! [remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat)] Re: Philly City Paper Troc Piece [Srm9988n@aol.com] 4 Hours and Counting! [Srm9988n@aol.com] millions of dollars [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: Immortal purple monster! [Lisa Schapiro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:21:13 GMT From: Donna Subject: Re: Ohioans (was American Smarties) >hmm.... I've determined Ohio just has an inordinate amount of strange >things... > >One word: cornhenge. Now hold on one second! There's more to Ohio than just Corn! There's... well... there's Cleveland! :) And Fruvous has played there, even. :) >>or maybe we of the buckeye state are simply a ready market for canadian >>treats... *wink* Well, I can certainly agree with that. ;) >Lace (eh.. I still like my I'm Really A Canadian theory) I ditto that emotion. :) As a Clevelander who has spent inordinate amounts of time on the U.P. of Michigan-- I'd like to claim half citizen-ship. :) donna PS Hello OHioans! I'm thrilled to "meet" ya! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I was out in the field, collecting strength for my shield-- and I misplaced what made me real." --- Moxy Früvous ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 23:32:49 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Philly City Paper Troc Piece Arabel wrote: <> As a reporter, albeit one who works in the "toy department," I just want to go on record and you can quote me (smile) as saying I personally would never quote anything being said in this newsgroup without first getting the person's permission. The semi-scrupulous Queen Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:48:41 -0800 From: Becky Subject: Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) Jacey7 wrote: > SO-- yep, you've reached the question-- do you think the band's political... > outspokeness, I guess, may wrongly alienate fans who would otherwise love their > music and their stage presence and their personalities, but not agree with > their politics? And is it really fair to deny those people the wonderful world > of fruvous because of their beliefs being insulted? As a former Republican currently in a Libertarian phase, I disagree with a lot of the political opinions expressed by Fruvous, with the exception of their pro-choice stance. But so what? I think that *Your New Boyfriend* is hilarious and that *The Greatest Man in America* is incredibly clever. The guys in Moxy Fruvous are wonderful musicians and smart, witty songwriters. As for the opinions they deliver outside the realm of their music, the ones I've heard are expressed intelligently. The only time politics (liberal or otherwise) in music is irritating is when the political message diminishes the quality of the song. Some lyrics are just so preachy that they insult the listeners' intelligence. Anyway, no one I know would be alienated from Fruvous just for political reasons. At least they give a damn...apathy is more dangerous than liberals :) Becky ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 23:55:24 GMT From: "Hell Hotel" Subject: Re: what we want on next album > >They're not bootlegs! Many people make this mistake. Bootlegs are illegal >concert recordings, made without the consent of anyone but the taper (you might >also call concert tapes legally recorded, but illegaly sold "bootlegs"). >Unless I'm mistaken, Moxy Früvous has no objection to people recording their >shows. So they're called concert recordings, or concert tapes, or anything >else you want to call 'em...just not bootlegs :-) Yeah, Live tapes, But most of the time it's fair enough to just refer to them as bootlegs. Most people will know what you're talking about when you say that. > >Not that I have anything against bootlegs (well, the recorded type...people >selling legal ones is something I really oppose) ...just getting the >terminology correct. > Yeah, I am also very very against the Sale of bootlegs!! It's immoral and illogical. Most often they are selling for around $25!! why do this when you can get it on tape for just the cost of a blank tape and postage? oh well. - -Eric HellHotel@tmbg.org Http://i.am/HellHotel **************************************************************************** fruvous: (froo`ves)n 1. Magical monk-baked pastry loaf. 2.High stakes Mesopotamian board game. 3.Sound produced when yogurt dollops are dropped in searing liquid. adj 1. Unflappable(after legendary crusader Marion~) 2. Multi-legged and aural. see MOXY FRUVOUS **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 1999 00:20:06 GMT From: toetappr1@aol.com (Toetappr1) Subject: Re: Philly and stuff.... > >>into the woods: >>murray--rapunzel's prince or jack >>jian--cinderella's prince/wolf >>dave--narrator >>mike--mysterious old man (we'd have to split the part--but that's okay That would be amazing!!!!! Love, Lesley (the theatre one) ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 1999 00:24:16 GMT From: toetappr1@aol.com (Toetappr1) Subject: Re: Fruvous and Musicals (was Philly and stuff) > > >kate said: >>into the woods: >>murray--rapunzel's prince or jack >>jian--cinderella's prince/wolf > >Ooooooh, I must beg to differ. Would not *Murray's* voice be PERFECTLY >suited to sing the Wolf's parts? Yum yum. He'd do the lower prince's >part (isn't that Cinderella's? -- aren't the wolf and Cinderella's prince >usually done by the same guy when the parts are doubled up?) just >wonderfully. Raowr. That would be INCREDIBLE as well. Love, Lesley (the theatre one) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:03:07 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) agreed. früvous' lyrics are intelligent commentaries, not name-calling. the difference is notable. ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** Becky wrote in message <36C4E809.23C2@netreach.net>... >Jacey7 wrote: > >> SO-- yep, you've reached the question-- do you think the band's political... >> outspokeness, I guess, may wrongly alienate fans who would otherwise love their >> music and their stage presence and their personalities, but not agree with >> their politics? And is it really fair to deny those people the wonderful world >> of fruvous because of their beliefs being insulted? > >As a former Republican currently in a Libertarian phase, I disagree with >a lot of the political opinions expressed by Fruvous, with the exception >of their pro-choice stance. But so what? I think that *Your New >Boyfriend* is hilarious and that *The Greatest Man in America* is >incredibly clever. The guys in Moxy Fruvous are wonderful musicians and >smart, witty songwriters. As for the opinions they deliver outside the >realm of their music, the ones I've heard are expressed intelligently. >The only time politics (liberal or otherwise) in music is irritating is >when the political message diminishes the quality of the song. Some >lyrics are just so preachy that they insult the listeners' intelligence. > >Anyway, no one I know would be alienated from Fruvous just for political >reasons. At least they give a damn...apathy is more dangerous than >liberals :) > >Becky ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 1999 00:33:11 GMT From: toetappr1@aol.com (Toetappr1) Subject: Re: Where do we get Princeton tix? >I >mean, I HAVE to go - it's so local. Anyway, if that show is a success, I >can ask Penn's events people to consider Fruvous, as they will have done >well in another Ivy setting. > But where do we get tix? I am in philly as well and I would like to know how to get tix and when it is. My rommie and I (a fellow fruhead) whould love to go. Thanks. love, Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:08:13 -0500 From: "Bell-occhio" Subject: Re: Ohioans (was American Smarties) Donna (hey, long time no type!:) wrote: >Now hold on one second! There's more to Ohio than just Corn! Of course there is. But "100 man-sized concrete ears" still makes a fine attraction, dammit. >There's... well... there's Cleveland! :) >And Fruvous has played there, even. :) And what a fine show it was. (Last time at least.) You're missing of course the most outstanding point. We're responsible for Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Springer, and Marilyn Manson. Oh yes, stand up and be proud. Lace (Insert sarcasm where appropriate.) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ bellocchio at folkfan.com ICQ 218859 http://i.am/her_webpage "And *do* you heart Canadian Boys?" - -Ed Robertson 7/22/98 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:14:08 -0500 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: Phantom... As for finding out about the "Student Rush", I would recommend you call htem directly at (416) 872-2222. I heard about the Livent bankruptcy from the local TV stations. It cancelled a run of show Boat here in Rochester. Phantom is still playing though... A definite must see IMHO. Rachael Rosenthal wrote: > Hi, I have been debating about, while at frucon next weekend heading > over to see Phantom... my question was to all of you Torontonians and or > people who might know. Does the Pantages have a student rush program? > I have heard both that they do and that they don't. If they don't does > anyone know what the cheapest available seats are? If anyone wants to > join me..... > > My other question is pertaining to the Livent post I saw earlier... what > happened? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:21:42 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: New spring dates Chewbacca wrote : >OK -- how many of us are Amusement Park geeks? *kat jumps up & down* me! me! *grin* it's been about 2 years since i've been to cedar point, & i'm anxious to get back. i dare say that the raptor's my favorite 'coaster there, tho' i hear there's some new freefall ride that's fun, too... living only 45 minutes from Kings Island is highly entertaining during the summer months, as well. & we're getting 2 new 'coasters down here this year! wheee... Alas, we were >also planning to do a day at Cedar Point in OH -- anyone want to try >planning a meeting there? hey, *i'm* up for it! i think i might be able to speak for fellow roller coaster enthusiasts & ammf'ers andrea & paul that perhaps we really could make this a day of frolicking with frufans. pick some dates (maybe around a frushow?) & we can go from there! *grin* rollercoasters & fruvous... wow, that could be more thrills than i can handle. gee whiz... ^kat^ "say something once-- why say it again?" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 02:12:18 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Heather Made A Convert! Oh guys guys guys guys guys! This is so exciting for me! Okay, so my immediate friends know of my Fruvous obsession and I have made them all into fun-loving Fru-folk. No big accomplishment. BUT. A month or two ago, a friend of my brother's (and also a theatre-acquaintance of myself) contacted me asking about Rockapella. Soooo...I told him a bunch of stuff and my recommendations and all that blah blah blah, but then I started thinkin (ain't thinkin about f*ckin mountains, ain't thinkin about f*ckin skiing). "Self," I says, "this guy would really like Fruvous. He's a prime Fruvous candidate!" So, I made this rec to him. I said, "Dude, if you ever listen to anything I ever say to you, listen to this. Go buy Live Noise. Listen to it. Fall in love. I promise, if you don't like it, I'll buy it from you. Just buy it. Please trust me." (or something along those lines) He was intrigued, so I told him a lot more (i.e. reviews of all the albums, info about how the band began, the fan base, the shows (what I know of them, being a Fru-Concert-Virgin), etc). No reply. For a while. This evening, I just got home from visiting the guy who intro'd me to Fruvous in the first place, and I get this e-mail: "I have a confession to make. Last nite, I followed a person's advice in a way I never have, I went out and bought a CD of a band that I had never heard before, not even a sound clip. And well, the problem is, I absolutely fell in love with the band!!!! [snip snip snip] Anyway, I just wanted to write and thank you so very much for telling me about this band!!" Ohmigod ohmigod ohmigod! My first really real official convert! I am so excited I could pee the floor. Please excuse my spasticity, Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 02:12:19 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Euthanasia (was Kevorkian) A.J. said: >I'm sorry, assisted suicide may or may not be a crime. If it is, I would agree that >it falls short of murder, certainly. But Euthanasia is murder. Plain and simple. >It crosses the line. For that alone if for no other reason, Kevorkian should spend >the rest of his life in prison. (and if he wants to make that time short by starving >himself, I sure won't cry.) Hm. Well, I don't profess to be any expert on the subject, but I've done a little reading on euthanasia. I also did a presentation on it for my Ethics class a few weeks ago. I remember some stuff. I especially remember the definition we used for our debate. I defined "euthanasia" as [1]: "A voluntary act or omission of an act causing or resulting in the premature death of another individual for that individual's own good." There are several things which ought to be defined for clarity. If I may be so bold: *VOLUNTARY - an involuntary act would not be called euthanasia, but would be an accident. If a person with a spasticity disorder was in the room with a person on some means of life support and flailed his leg thereby knocking out the power plug resulting in the patient's death, that is not euthanasia. That is a very unfortunate accident. By definition, Ethics is the study of voluntary human actions, so for the class, we had to go that route. *ACT OR OMISSION OF AN ACT - an act is something like shooting a person, or giving the lethal injection. The omission of an act is sometimes trickier -- it can be the refusal to perform a surgery that is the only hope for the patient's survival, or something similar. *CAUSING OR RESULTING IN - a gunshot to the head would be the direct cause of death. Several extremely high doses of morphine for the relief of pain, with the added effect of reduction of life span would be resulting in death. Make sense? *PREMATURE - in, of course, the Actor/Omitter's point of view. If Jimmy has an aneurysm and I give him a lethal dose of morphine to stop his pain but also stop his life, I am, from my point of view, prematurely ending his life. Little do I know that in one second, the aneurysm would explode anyway and he'd die immediately had I not given the injection. To argue the potentiality is futile and will only lead to cessation of ethical debate. *ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL - suicide is excluded here (this was for purposes of having a debate on euthanasia and euthanasia alone, and not allowing suicide into the discussion). To be euthanasia, there must be at least two parties - the Actor/Omitter and the Euthanized. It may be the choice of the Euthanized to be euthanized, but the Actor/Omitter must act/omit in order for it to be considered euthanasia and not suicide. *FOR INDIVIDUAL'S OWN GOOD - Herein lies the ethical debate, really. What is "the good"? Who gets to decide what, exactly, is the Good? If the euthanized decides, is competency an issue (mental stability, solid state of consciousness, freedom from coercion, etc)? If the Actor/Omitter decides, on what does he/she base his/her decision? In reality, the act of euthanasia is entirely dependant on the Actor/Omitter. If he/she decides not to act/omit, no euthanasia will take place, unless someone else decides to do it, in which case the role changes hands. Also, there are some third parties involved. The Family (if present) has wishes, the State has laws, and (if applicable) the Church has moral teachings which apply. Once we figure out who decides, then we have to figure out HOW he/she decides. The decision about the Euthanized's "own good" is entirely dependant on the Actor/Omitter's definition of the SUMUM BONUM (the greatest good). If, for example, human life is the greatest good, than euthanasia is never okay. If comfort is the greatest good, than euthanasia is alright in cases of irreversible suffering. If productivity is the greatest good, than euthanasia is okay in cases when the individual is beyond (or will never reach) usefulness. Truly, the ethical "rightness" of euthanasia is entirely dependant on a person's idea of what is THE GREATEST GOOD. Now, I am not an advocate of ethical relativism, so I of course have a stand on this issue, and I'm gonna bust it out right now if you'll stick with me. There is nothing "plain and simple" about euthanasia. Can it really be called murder when a doctor merely doesn't do anything? If a person is dying of thirst, is it your OBLIGATION to give him or her a glass of water? If you don't, are you a murderer? What I'm trying to demonstrate is that there is nothing clear cut about this issue, and I think that people don't often think about all the facets of it when formulating an opinion. If a person is dying and has wishes not to be put on life support, but could easily be kept alive with a little machine, then not putting that person on the machine could be called euthanasia. Is it wrong to follow the wishes of the patient? What about people with DNR's (Do Not Resuscitate)? What about Hospice? I must admit that I have an emotional attachment to this issue. Hospice is, in effect, a kind of euthanasia. For a person to be put in hospice, it is agreed that nothing will be done to prolong life in the event of death (i.e. no defibrillator, etc), as well as the agreement that everything should be done for the patient's greatest comfort, like administration of drugs like morphine, which DO shorten life span. Say this hospice patient refuses to take water or food. In hospice, he/she is not forced to do so. He/she dies in a matter of weeks (depending on his/her condition previous to the eating/drinking decision). There are not tubes shoved down his/her throat, and no actions are taken to prolong life. In essence, euthanasia. And I am fully in favour of hospice. And I am fully in favour of relieving suffering. That is all she wrote (thanks to all those who made it to the end!) Heather Moore [1] The definition is, indeed, of my own creation. It was made, however, with the assistance of countless resource materials, as well as my father who is both a judicial ethics and a moral philosophy teacher. It has been judged suitable by the philosophy staff at my school. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 1999 02:52:51 GMT From: affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affannato) Subject: Re: Phantom... Stick a stake thru my heart, will you? Phantom is my favorite thing in the world, pretty much, Toronto is one of the Big 3 for Phantom productions (with NYC or London), and I can't afford Frucon.... grrrrr.... - --->Kelly Silver7 on mirc Rachael Rosenthal (rchsrsnt@otterbein.edu) wrote: : Hi, I have been debating about, while at frucon next weekend heading : over to see Phantom... my question was to all of you Torontonians and or : people who might know. Does the Pantages have a student rush program? : I have heard both that they do and that they don't. If they don't does : anyone know what the cheapest available seats are? If anyone wants to : join me..... : My other question is pertaining to the Livent post I saw earlier... what : happened? I hadn't heard anything about the bankruptcy issue. I mean : as of two years ago they were touting Garth Drabinsky as the Canadian : theatre wunderkin.......... : Rachael ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 1999 03:47:44 GMT From: remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat) Subject: Re: Phantom... michael crawford all the way. stupid christine for going with raul. =P gimmee the phantom anyday. love, mandy the 80's girl... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ j.a. m.s. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 1999 03:46:56 GMT From: remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat) Subject: Re: Heather Made A Convert! >I am so >excited I could pee the floor. oh my. but congratulations...=} love, mandy the 80's girl... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ j.a. m.s. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 04:30:15 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: Philly City Paper Troc Piece Trace wrote: > Is there a spy in here???? ooops. blew my cover that time. > I realize this is a public forum and all, but I guess I just never > thought people from the outside would be paying attention. I may as well confess. I did point WXPN to the newsgroup discussion since they were marginally involved in the flap -- I thought it was only fair. I don't know whether they broadcast its contents to New Park and the Troc or not, but I suppose its possible. Also, since emails generally have other addresses they are copied to included in the header, they could have gotten onto the ng that way to see what we were up to. It's not like we're a secret organization. We're a public forum. And I'm not ashamed of anything that's been said (well, at least on this topic ;-) ) and I don't think anyone else needs to be either. It's good that they know how we feel, and that the band takes us seriously. - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 04:58:14 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: 4 Hours and Counting! Cookie requested: > could you all stop posting such interesting reviews and commentary > stuff for a few hours, so I can tear myself away from this dang > computer and get some of my chores done? why would you want to? - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 05:02:19 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: millions of dollars Josh Drury wrote: > `If I had a million dollars... (hey, you can`t copywrite a chord progression) > ...I could give everyone in Saskatchewan a dollar, and still have about $12 > left for myself.` This reminds me of the verse I wrote, which changes day to day, but goes something along the lines of "If I had a million dollars/I'd only have $660,000 dollars/because I'm in a Canadian band/ ... and that's before taxes." - -- Lori, not really trying to tease our Canadian friends, but sometimes it just pops out. Sorry. Really. But not very. :) 6 DAYS!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:57:30 -0500 From: Lisa Schapiro Subject: Re: Immortal purple monster! About the recently-immortalized purple monster, Trace writes: "Mike wasn't the only one who wondered. BTW, what *was* that??? :)" Actually, I picked up the purple monster at the "Michael's" or similar (??) craft store in the NoHo area, whilst shopping for costume accoutrements for that night (Halloween). I saw the little purple thing, and I just thought "Fruvous!" He was half-priced (all of about 2 bucks). So, I can't really tell you what he is, except that he's a little purple terrycloth stuffed animal with a big yellow nose and buggy eyes and a tie. Certainly one of the funniest-looking things I've seen, and perfect for a Fruvous Halloween. He now sits in a place of honor on my dresser. Say, while we're discussing those dates, anybody have FruBoots from that night and/or the 2 nights before? Thanks, and take care. Lisa (Don't mention me... I am unspeakable!) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #150 ********************************************