From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #146 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, February 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Amanda's Campaign: Early Morning Rain on the upcoming album. [jacey7@] "politics" question (after much babbling) [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Oh...hi, by the way [Carol Krupka ] Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) [Carol Krupka ] Re: Interviews at Colleges ["KatieWow" ] Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) ["KatieWow" ] Re: Assimilating Pittsburgh ["Bell-occhio" >Thoughts? It seems like a long thread of "this would be a great idea!" on the newsgroup would be a good place to start the campaign.<< Well, considering they don't even really take requests at *shows*, I have a feeling a whole "by request" album (though certainly an intriguing idea for us!) is not gonna fly.. But, for what it's worth, my thumb is pointed decidely skyward ;-) ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 05:02:10 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: "politics" question (after much babbling) So 2 things in the past week have sparked this question in my mind, so I thought I'd put it to you all and see if anyone cared to respond...... The first of those 2 things is the current "capital punishment" thread waging battle within this ng, which has called attention to just how much the lot of us agree on things of a political nature. Obviously there were a few dissenters (hence the "discussion" part of the discussion...) but we seem to be all fairly on the same wavelength about such things. The second thing was (stay with me, a question will rear its ugly head eventually ;-) one of the completely fruvous-ignorant friends I dragged with me to the show on Saturday. She absolutely loved the band and the show, and i know I've got her hooked. She is also firmly republican. She's one of the coolest and most intelligent people I know, and I completely respect her opinions, though I happen to disagree with most of them. And I knew she would like the music and the banter (and would most likely get a huge kick out of "The Greatest Man in America" if it were played) but I also was *really* glad the words "right wing shit" didn't make their way into the set this particular night. In fact, the whole evening was relatively light on politics, and, as I said, she loved them. SO-- yep, you've reached the question-- do you think the band's political... outspokeness, I guess, may wrongly alienate fans who would otherwise love their music and their stage presence and their personalities, but not agree with their politics? And is it really fair to deny those people the wonderful world of fruvous because of their beliefs being insulted? ~jen (who could just as easily argue the other side right now, but is curious to hear the voices of the masses speak out...) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:00:56 -0600 From: Carol Krupka Subject: Oh...hi, by the way Howdy! Um...after my little essay...I'd like to get down off my high horse and introduce myself. Well...I'm a fruhead and am all set for truckin' off to Canada in a week with Shalini (introduced earlier today) and my dear, dear sister who has never before attended a concert! (I sound like I'm at an AA meeting...."hi, my name is Carol, and I'm a Fruhead." I'm sure you'll all be very accepting, though) I read the newsgroup when I have time and when I remember...pitifully, not very often. So I don't really know you all or anything. But hopefully I'll meet some of ya'll at Frucon! And...hey! Have a great day. - --Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:50:05 -0600 From: Carol Krupka Subject: Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) One of the things that attracted me to Moxy Fruvous was their willingness to speak out about political matters. However, the very freedom of speech that they employ should not be a bar to their fans. Their political outspokenness presents an opportunity for the discussion that I can only assume has been ripping its way through the newsgroup. Just because you like Fruvous does not mean you must stagger along in their political tracks--not if you don't agree with it. They argue their side with passion and I think that's cool. But if you have an opinion that you just can not let go of, why let go of it? Just for the band's approval? I'm sorry, but I think that they would approve more of the person being a freethinker. If you have a strength in your opinion...hey, that's great. Diversity of opinion is great because it creates discussion which creates change (ideally). To me, politics is a part of Moxy Fruvous. Yet it should not be impossible to separate their politics and the recognition of the quality of their music and the enjoyableness of their shows. Not if you are secure enough to accept that people have diverse opinions and that having diverse opinions is perfectly acceptable. In the case of your Republican friend, she's committed no crime:) Listening to anyone's alternate views can be positive for the person, no matter what...whether it strengthens their views or cause them to realize the quality of another view. And...that's my feelings on the matter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:40:04 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Philly and stuff.... yay! musical theater discussion!!! this was my life in high school :). my drama friends and i used to sit around and cast ourselves in shows; lately, whenever i listen to früvous, i tend to start casting the guys in shows. pippin: murray--pippin jian--leading player dave--bertha (he's just too good as marion :) mike--charlemagne into the woods: murray--rapunzel's prince or jack jian--cinderella's prince/wolf dave--narrator mike--mysterious old man (we'd have to split the part--but that's okay :) hmmm . . . i'll have to do some more thinking. that's all i've contemplated lately :). ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** Jacey7 wrote in message <19990211234150.05473.00000276@ng-ce1.aol.com>... >>>Don;t get me wrong, RENT is another one of my favorites, but I don't think >that they can be comparesd....they are too different<< > >yeah, I know. That was just my lame attempt at an incendiary remark to >possibly spark a musical theater discussion here ;-) > >>>By the way....yes, I spend all day studying things related to musical >theatre.<< > >lucky duck :-Þ > >~jen > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover > >"Measure your life in love."--Rent > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:42:03 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Interviews at Colleges i've found loyola to be situated pretty darn well früvous wise. have you thought of penn? you'll need a bullet-proof vest, but it's a great school with a kick-ass atmosphere. expensive, yes. don't give up on duke!!! it's a beautiful school!!! BTW--what is that you want to study? ~~kate, a happy english/poliSci baby ;) - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** ^kat^ wrote in message <7a07k1$ge7$1@news.erinet.com>... > >Matt James wrote : > >>I thought these were called "Ivy League" schools? Isn't the >>"big east" a sports conference? > > >ok, feel obligated to explain, so that i'm not seen as a culturally inept >moron: *yes*, those are "ivy league" schools. but our family isn't big on >sports, & thus we say "big east" b/c the schools have BIG names and are in >the EAST. if the "big east" *is* a sports conference... my apologies. ;p >moving on... > >>Go for the east coast, it's where it's at! Plus, you'll get >>your Fruvous fix as there're more big cities close together for >>them to hit. > >*grin* indeed, and that's why duke has slipped down on my list from top >choice to third (trailing the cheap yet huge & close-to-home OSU & the >expensive, distant brown w/ the wonderful atmosphere): fruvous just doesn't >tour in NC all that often. i'd have to drive all the way to DC or sum'n... >and w/ new england, fruvous plays all the time, or so it seems. *shrug* >even in columbus has access to all sorts of fruconcerts. one just has to >keep one's priorities straight... *grin* > >^kat^ >"i can always sleep standing up" >http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:30:55 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) i never really thought about it, mostly because i agree with nearly all of the political opinions they've expressed (support of local business, grassroots democracy, pro-choice issues, etc.); but i can see how some fans may be turned off by . . . well, okay--jian's outspokenness (i hate to put it on one person, but i think we can all agree that he's the "big mouth" politics wise--not that there's anything wrong with that :). i personally don't think they even come close to preaching, but if i were of opposing view and sensitive to that kind of stuff, i might be a little off-put. they're a band, not a PAC, right :)? more power to them, in my opinion. i support anyone who is as dedicated to and fervent about beliefs as those guys. ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** Jacey7 wrote in message <19990212000210.05473.00000280@ng-ce1.aol.com>... >So 2 things in the past week have sparked this question in my mind, so I >thought I'd put it to you all and see if anyone cared to respond...... > >The first of those 2 things is the current "capital punishment" thread waging >battle within this ng, which has called attention to just how much the lot of >us agree on things of a political nature. Obviously there were a few >dissenters (hence the "discussion" part of the discussion...) but we seem to be >all fairly on the same wavelength about such things. > >The second thing was (stay with me, a question will rear its ugly head >eventually ;-) one of the completely fruvous-ignorant friends I dragged with me >to the show on Saturday. She absolutely loved the band and the show, and i >know I've got her hooked. She is also firmly republican. She's one of the >coolest and most intelligent people I know, and I completely respect her >opinions, though I happen to disagree with most of them. And I knew she would >like the music and the banter (and would most likely get a huge kick out of >"The Greatest Man in America" if it were played) but I also was *really* glad >the words "right wing shit" didn't make their way into the set this particular >night. In fact, the whole evening was relatively light on politics, and, as I >said, she loved them. > >SO-- yep, you've reached the question-- do you think the band's political... >outspokeness, I guess, may wrongly alienate fans who would otherwise love their >music and their stage presence and their personalities, but not agree with >their politics? And is it really fair to deny those people the wonderful world >of fruvous because of their beliefs being insulted? > >~jen (who could just as easily argue the other side right now, but is curious >to hear the voices of the masses speak out...) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover > >"Measure your life in love."--Rent > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:40:21 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: Falcon Ridge Ticket Info On 10 Feb 1999 22:42:26 GMT, someone who looked like "Hell Hotel" whispered: >I know it's quite premature for this but who else is already planning on >going to Falcon Ridge? i know I am!! Seems like it would be a great place >to meet other fruheads. well thats my post for the day... I am saving up my pennies for airfare even as we speak. :) Heck yes, I *WILL* be there. - --nicole twn *** "There's a right turn somewhere that can take you to the wrong place."--Peter Mulvey Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is INCORRECT! Think of it as an intelligence test. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:46:16 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) In article <19990212000210.05473.00000280@ng-ce1.aol.com>, jacey7@aol.com says... > SO-- yep, you've reached the question-- do you think the band's political... > outspokeness, I guess, may wrongly alienate fans who would otherwise love > their music and their stage presence and their personalities, but not agree > withtheir politics? And is it really fair to deny those people the wonderful > world of fruvous because of their beliefs being insulted? Well, I think that if a person feels alienated by the band's outspokenness, there's no "wrongly" about it - it's that person's hangup. The band members have the right to speak their minds, and audience members have the right, in turn, to agree or disagree or to be offended or to laugh it off or whatever. The band members themselves are not denying anyone anything simply by choosing to tell the truth about what they believe. If your friend is as smart and as cool as you say, she'll probably understand this. I've encountered a few public figures (musical groups, authors, etc.) whose work I greatly admire, but who hold personal opinions with which I strongly disagree. The choice is mine: Either I can write them off entirely for daring to think differently from me; or I can say that they're entitled to their opinion and I'm entitled to mine, and go on to enjoy the work that they've created for its own sake. One of the (many) things I admire about Früvous is their willingness to take a stand on controversial issues that are important to them. That's tough for anyone to do at times; I can only imagine how much more courage it takes for entertainers who depend on pleasing crowds for their livelihood. And no, I don't agree with *every* opinion they express, but they have inspired me to work on forming and expressing better-informed opinions of my own. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that. k@ my 2¢ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:28:41 -0500 From: Rachael Rosenthal Subject: Re: Assimilating Pittsburgh Sandy, At least you had an excuse.. you're from columbus.I'm actually from Pittsburgh....but then on the other hand I get lost trying to get to The Book Loft in German Village all the time....so I guess we're even :-) Rachael.. who will admit that getting lost is even worse when one has a $10,000 lighting console on the back seat... and Graffitti isn't exactly in a *good* part of town... Sandy82119 wrote: > You're not alone there. The first time I went to Graffiti I got lost for two > hours on Mt Washington and ended up finally getting there right AFTER the guys > got done playing. I'm from Columbus-it's that purple belt. geez. Sandy > > > Insight is often mistaken for madness- > Sir George Hutchinson;The Awakening ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 03:14:06 -0500 From: "Bell-occhio" Subject: Re: Assimilating Pittsburgh Rachael, yet another Ohian wrote: > At least you had an excuse.. you're from columbus.I'm actually from >Pittsburgh....but then on the other hand I get lost trying to get to The Book Loft >in German Village all the time....so I guess we're even :-) That's not so bad, I tend to get lost *in* The Book Loft. 32 rooms, yes 32 rooms (even if some of 'em are tiny), of books. You guys would love this place. Lace (uhhh.. frutent... Those lads, they must read a lot.) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ bellocchio at folkfan.com ICQ 218859 http://i.am/her_webpage "And *do* you heart Canadian Boys?" - -Ed Robertson 7/22/98 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:58:40 -0500 From: "Bell-occhio" Subject: Re: The Cult of American Smarties Fellow Ohioan ^kat^ wrote: >lace, i do believe it must be an ohio thing... hmm.... I've determined Ohio just has an inordinate amount of strange things... One word: cornhenge. (http://www.dublinarts.org/fieldofcorn.html -I wouldn't leave you all hanging.) >or maybe we of the buckeye state are simply a ready market for canadian >treats... *wink* *wink*wink* Lace (eh.. I still like my I'm Really A Canadian theory) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ bellocchio at folkfan.com ICQ 218859 http://i.am/her_webpage When they flaunt it in your face as you line up for punishment And then expect you to say "Thank you" straighten up, look proud and pleased Because you've only got the symptoms, you haven't got the whole disease ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:28:07 GMT From: jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andrea Krause) Subject: Re: Immortal purple monster! On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:37:00 -0500, Lisa Schapiro wrote: >Wow... I just have to share this, even though it sounds really goofy. >During the Halloween NoHo show, I propped a little purple monster on the >speaker (stage Mike). As some of you may recall, the monster was then >brought onstage for a brief cameo, which culminated in its being >catapulted off of Jian's cymbals and back into the audience, and my >awaiting arms. ;-) >Lisa > >(Don't mention me, as I am unspeakable!) Give 'em a thwack! Give 'em a thwack! Give 'em a thwack! :) Andrea "...too many people think they're misunderstood every time somebody disagrees with them." - Jess Klein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:24:42 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: Falcon Ridge Ticket Info Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > (there. I spelled marvellous in British. Hope you're all happy!) In English you mean? Actually the only reason that I might possibly be coming is so that I can stand on a hillside in upstate NY, wave a bottle of hair dye and shout `Hey Lori! Your proper Norman roots are showing!' Oh, and Fruvous, EFO and The Nields might have something to do with it too. Tinkerty tonk Richard - ----------------------------------------- Salt fare North Sea weird stare further than the eye can see he had a head like a toy shop --`Some old salty'. Trad English song. - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:08:28 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: Richard Scent (was re: *Yawn*) Chad Maloney wrote: > Hey everyone, how does Richard smell? British? Moth Balls? > Garlic? Old Spice? Right. I'm stopping this thread *this instant*. Chad, if you can't behave I shall tell everyone about the receipt I just happened to find in your dustbin for $450 worth of `goods' from The South Iowa branch of The Pink Frilly Shirts Emporium. Cough. Its apples, not elderberries actually. Tinkerty tonk Richard - ----------------------------------------- Salt fare North Sea weird stare further than the eye can see he had a head like a toy shop --`Some old salty'. Trad English song. - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:08:07 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: capital punishment I wrote: > > Apparently (feel free to correct me if I've got this wrong, because I > can't remember where I heard it, probably > Amnesty) 75 innocent people have received the death penalty in the US > since 1976. And then Nancy, who currently can't post to the ng wrote to me to say... `Approximately 75 people have been exonerated while serving a death row sentence and were set free. I'm not sure how many have actually been executed and then found to be innocent. New York had no death penalty when Betty Tyson was convicted of a Rochester murder in 1974. She served her life term in prison until last year when she was set free based on information found to have been withheld during her trial. She was a black prostitute, the victim was a white business man. If New York had the death penalty in 1974 she would have likely been executed and would not have had the opportunity to sue the city of Rochester successfully for $1.25 million for her 25 years in prison.' A Betty Tyson article is here... So in accusing your government of being a mass murderer I was wrong and I apologise. The point still holds though. In 1953 Derek Bentley was hanged for the murder of a policeman despite the jury's plea for clemency, despite the fact that Bentley was educationally subnormal and even though it was known at the time that Bentley did not fire the fatal shot. After a dedicated and very brave campaign by his family he was finally given a posthumous pardon last year. A posthumous pardon is something of a Pyrrhic victory. Tinkerty tonk Richard - ----------------------------------------- Salt fare North Sea weird stare further than the eye can see he had a head like a toy shop --`Some old salty'. Trad English song. - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 12:30:53 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Philly City Paper Troc Piece >well, there are ways of accomplishing everything, whether it's what we ask >for or not :)? >~~kate That would fall under the "Be careful what you wish for" category, wouldn't it? ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 12:22:58 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: "politics" question (after much babbling) Not that this is entirely relavent but . . . I saw an article in a magazine the other day comparing "Baby Boomers" with the large "Generation 'Y'" teens now taking over our nationa malls and entertainment centers. On the inevitable comparison list: Baby Boomers: Political Activisim, Make yourself heard. Generation 'Y': Volunteerism, Make yourself useful. FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 12:35:21 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: capital punishment I saw an article on Betty Tyson on TV a few nights ago (one of the few good things to come out of eye surgery where I can only read for about 10 minutes a day) and remember the case being overturned -- I heard about it from a co-worker who knows I used to work with the reporter who got the whole thing re-opened. Here's my question, though -- since she and her friend were clearly innocent, and a huge deal has been made of her release -- and rightly so -- why is her friend (John Duvall, I believe his name is) still in prison? The two were interviewed but barely a mention was made of his remaining in prison until the last moment of the show. Curious Queen Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:50:57 GMT From: Thrawn Subject: Need a little wind here! (was FruconTix Lost) Ok, friends...time to offer the help. Would anyone be able to join me in having one less drink at each show and pitch in that money to make sure he can get into the shows if he can't afford to rebuy them? I won't be there for the Sunday show, but I can probly spare a few bucks if others are willing to help. Whaddya say? I'd hate to see someone not be able to make it just because he had some bad luck like that. Let me know, folks! - -Phil (Phil DOT Schwan AT dana DOT com) Windows 95: noun: (arch): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition.-StiltMan (http://www.teleport.com/~stiltman/stiltman.html) - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #146 ********************************************