From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #141 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 141 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Philly and stuff.... [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: New Album [VJohnson ] Re: Interviews at Colleges [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: A message from Jian regarding Philadelphia [Molly Doyle ] Re: Falcon Ridge Ticket Info [Richard Butterworth ] Re: capital punishment ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Falcon Ridge Ticket Info [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: capital punishment [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Interviews at Colleges [affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affanna] Re: The Cult of American Smarties [Groovy Spice >Ragtime is one of my favorite shows....I guess being a musical theatre major would explain that.<< I guess you have to actually be muscial to study this, huh? Color me jealous ;-) I'm really enjoy musical theater, and have to say, Ragtime is an amazing show. Granted, it's no Rent or Hedwig, but they can't all be, now can they? ;-) ~jen (woefully musically impaired) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:56:48 -0500 From: VJohnson Subject: Re: New Album Hi Daniel & Everyone-- Don Dixon has also produced a lot of the The Smithereens albums (another fav band of mine)! Victorria "Eventually there will come a time when everyone is in a band." -- George Carlin DGodwin01 wrote: > Oh yeah. They also announced the producer for the new album. It's Don Dixon. > He produced a couple of early REM albums (Murmur ('83) and Reckoning ('84)) > I'm sure he's done other stuff, but I didn't feel like looking it up. > > Daniel > "signature currently under construction... Come back soon" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:15:16 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Interviews at Colleges Mandy asked: >for those who are still of school-age, where are you at? Heather Moore is a proud attendee of Shoreline Community College in Shoreline, WA. NO, I am not going here cause my grades sucked (thankyouverymuch, I did *QUITE* well), but because I want to go study in England my junior year and do graduate work there as well, and that gonna require all the money than I've currently got saved. Why spend four years at an institution fresh out of high school, freaked out because it's all so damned new to you that you could just pee the floor [1] when you can chill in your home state, get a MUCH cheaper education in a more relaxed atmosphere, and then move on to the college of your choice for the part that matters (i.e. what name shows up on your degree -- IF you care about these things)? I'd understand if the community/junior colleges in your area suck, but Shoreline is one of the top community colleges in the nation and has a RAD theatre program. Anyway. It's just offends me big time when people rag on community colleges (I know several "products" of community colleges who have gone on to do amazing things, because they WORKED for what they did, unlike some other people I know who were escorted to Cushy University care of Daddy). Heather "Proud Product of Public School" Moore [1] If anyone didn't watch the X-Files on Sunday, that's what Cassandra said to Fox in the hospital closet when she lit up her cigarette (which happens in hospitals ALL the time, cause they don't have smoke detectors anymore. hah). I nearly died laughing. Who says "pee the floor"?!? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:22:05 -0600 From: Molly Doyle Subject: Re: A message from Jian regarding Philadelphia > > >>This is jian (brown singin'-drummin' boy in the band)<< > > really girls, how cute is he? > > ;-) *rrrrrrrrrrraowrrrrrrrrr*!!! *purr purr* (/me imagines the poor little drummer boy blushing to the roots...) couldn't resist...*grin* - -- Molly Doyle http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Balcony/6759 "You know you've been raised Catholic when your automatic response to "May the Force be with you," is "And also with you, my son." --Cathy Holmes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:10:37 -0500 From: "Bell-occhio" Subject: Re: Falcon Ridge Ticket Info Hell Hotel (salutations paint his karma) asked: >I know it's quite premature for this but who else is already planning on >going to Falcon Ridge? i know I am!! Seems like it would be a great place >to meet other fruheads. well thats my post for the day... > I am. IamIamIamIamIamIamIamIamIamIAM! Did I mention I am? Lace (me? excited? naw..) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ bellocchio at folkfan.com ICQ 218859 http://i.am/her_webpage and make music like mercy that gives what it is and has nothing to prove ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:55:40 -0500 From: "Bell-occhio" Subject: Re: The Cult of American Smarties > Yep, we in America have been deprived of chocolate Smarties. (...) You know, I could swear the tiny grocery I went to as a small child had chocolate Smarties... Now what was an Ohio town of less than 200 people doing with Canadian candy? Unless of course I was actually raised in Canada, and brainwashed into thinking I was an American around the age of 11, which would explain why, of the very few childhood memories I have, half of them take place in Canada, why I slip into an accent now and then, and have a 'thing' for anything Canadian. I *knew* there had to be a logical explanation... Lace (against it, but not going there, and merely opting to be a goober instead) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ bellocchio at folkfan.com ICQ 218859 http://i.am/her_webpage "And *do* you heart Canadian Boys?" - -Ed Robertson 7/22/98 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:29:17 -0500 From: Megan Subject: Smarties (Was DC setlist...) Look at . - -Megan :) Trace wrote: > > On 10 Feb 1999 18:01:52 GMT, jon@mrrl.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) wrote: > > >Autumn Patterson (apatte2@gl.umbc.edu) wrote: > >: As long as we're still talking about Smarties (American) may I just say > >: that I don't find their tangy and sugaryness to be good at all. > > > >Do you mean to tell me that American Smarties don't have chocolate in > >them? So that American children miss out on one of the delights that > >we English enjoyed as children (and, truth be told, still do whenever > >we get the chance) of seeing how long you could make one Smartie last > >before you were forced to swallow all the yummy chocolate that seeped > >through the sugar shell? I thought it was bad enough that they > >introduced the evil blue Smarties over here without finding out that > >there is the prospect of chocolate free Smarties being imported from > >the USA. At least Canada sounds like it has the real thing. > > Yep, we in America have been deprived of chocolate Smarties. I'd > never actually tried chocolate Smarties 'til the DC show when I was > lucky enough to be in the group Stage Murray who received some (they > were very good btw). American Smarties have been described by some as > the solid form of pixie stix, but I see them more as a combination of > Sweet Tarts and chalk. Strangely, I like them, but then again, I'm > strange to begin with, so that should come as no surprise. > > -- > Trace > gemini@p3.net > > *sniff* Target is within sniffing range. Hailing > on all frequencies. *woop woop* Visual acquired. > Our bogie is at 9:00. Fire when ready. - 1/1 BL > > dum tek ca tek tek ca tek tek > *snort* ARGH *glare* > Follow THAT one lads.... - 1/2 BL - -- @>->----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:07:36 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: Falcon Ridge Ticket Info Hell Hotel wrote: > I know it's quite premature for this but who else is already planning on > going to Falcon Ridge? i know I am!! Seems like it would be a great place > to meet other fruheads. well thats my post for the day... I notice from their web-site that Falcon Ridge suffers from a distinct lack of skinny mandolin players. There may be an attempt to rectify this deficiency. Tinkerty tonk Richard - ----------------------------------------- Salt fare North Sea weird stare further than the eye can see he had a head like a toy shop --`Some old salty'. Trad English song. - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wednesday, 10 Feb 1999 23:19:41 -0600 From: ljkjh@ljkljlkotmail.com Subject: MUSICAL SKY -----------------------------0 48255 Voxumbilical Music Presents Musical Sky the lates release from NOTUS Musical sky is a collection of sensory opportunities. Take them. http://voxumbilical.com/ T/FD`fk].H1*>[t@+;d[ 47o8BP>t*+(1YdqKb`#).yJeX ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 1999 10:34:38 GMT From: jon@mrrl.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Subject: Re: Smarties (Was DC setlist...) Megan (fannom@rpi.edu) wrote: : Look at . Ironically, when looking at this in lynx the first thing that comes up is "FRAME: buttons"[1]. Hmm. Time for a trip to the choccy machine down the corridor me thinks... Tatty bye, Jim'll [1] Buttons is the name of a chocolate competitor to smarties in the UK. Only without the crispy sugar coating. Buttons are better for those times when you don't want sugary coating using up valuable chocolate space in the packets... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:05:37 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: capital punishment Chewbacca wrote: > > I know this is a dying thread, and I plan to contribute no further than > this final message. > > TO those who will say criminals can be reformed, I offer up several > studies which show convincingly that there are chemical and physical > differences in the minds of many repeat criminals of all varieties. My > next-door neighbor was part of one such study, and while his trends > never leaned to anything more serious than theft, there was also no > definitive cure for him. > > To those who say capital punishment is immoral slaughter -- yes. You're > right. But isn't that what they did to their victims? This has nothing > to do with pro-choice or political correctness. Every year, inmates get > college degrees FREE OF CHARGE which I personally cannot afford because > of the simple fact that I'm not incarcerated. This angers me. My tax > dollars are keeping the very man who killed my fiance alive. He killed > in cold blood. If it were up to me, I'd have killed him in a slow, > torturous method. However, capital punishment would guarantee a speedy > death. Actually it is guaranteeing a slow expensive death for Tim McVeigh, someone who I now have a lot more sympathy for than he deserves, precisely because he is on death row. I understand your feelings (as well as anyone can who has not suffered you kind of loss), but I feel that I must point out that what you are arguing for is basically vengeance. That would be the point of a slow torturous death. In fact I have often felt that capital punishment should be by the most horrible method anyone could devise, because then we would not be lying to ourselves about the motivations. It is about vengeance, so why not be vengeful? They understood that in ancient times. But most of us no longer believe intellectually in vengeance, so we equivocate. We want to kill murderers, but only quickly and cleanly. This is hypocrisy at its worst. I do not believe in vengeance, so I cannot accept your argument about the death penalty. I understand your desire for vengeance, but that doesn't make it right. You are angry that murderers get educations. I'm not. That may be the key to reforming them. (What ever happened to THAT idea anyway?) I doubt that an education would do much for McVeigh (although you never know), but we don't set policies based on someone like him. He is a very rare case, thank god. What I'm angry about is that my tax dollars will be used for capital punishment. An activity that I find barbaric, inhuman, hypocritical, unjustifiable, and wholly unacceptable under any circumstances. - -- "Whenever any American's life is taken by another unnecessarily - whether it is done in the name of the law or in defiance of law,...In an attack of violence or in response to violence - the whole nation is degraded." - --Robert Kennedy _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:46:28 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: capital punishment Ross Hendry wrote: > I don't know if it's been shown in the US but have you all seen the > case in the Ukraine (I think's that's right) of the man who murdered > at least 52 people at last count, from one village. That's 52 > confirmed men, women and children who are now dead. They were all > brutally murdered by this man who, when questioned about his actions, > tells the questioner that they deserved it, that he is above them all > and that he will receive no punishment except from God. He shows no > remorse _whatsoever_. The government of the country is considering > reintroducing the death penalty for this one case, an action I agree > with. How could you justify merely sending this man to prison? You > would feed, clothe, house and educate someone who show's no remorse > for destroying the community in which he carried out his crime? I > agree that life is sacred (though not in a religious way, I am an > atheist) but in this case, I say that he should be shot. He doesn't > deserve to live. Ross, That is the exact type of response that I'm talking about. You are reacting as we all would. With dismay, anger aggression, and a lust for vengeance. But we have to move past those kinds of reactions when it comes to Judicial process. First of all, this guy clearly has something wrong with him. No NORMAL human does stuff like that, or even wants to. I have a lot of trouble fully blaming someone who is obviously impaired either socially or mentally or both. Probably this guy should be studied to see if some way can be found to correct his deficits. On the subject of introducing the death penalty just for this one case because it is so heinous: That is totally unacceptable. Impartial justice requires that one cannot single out a specific person and legislate a punishment for them. If that case had happened here, the guy's lawyers would have a constitutional field day with that one. Plus, you can't go making up the punishments AFTER the crime. That is arbitrary and capricious. As for how you justify feeding and clothing such a person, well, there is your answer: He still is a person. We talk about people being "animals" or "monsters", but that is, in the end only an analogy. The fact is that these are people. People who have done awful things, but people nevertheless. Everyone deserves to live. Morally, we don't get to make those kinds of decisions. I have already pointed out the study value in not killing such an individual, and we've had extensive discussions of the cost factors already. And who's to say the guy won't come to his senses next year and become a saint. You really never know. When I hear the tale of 52 people killed, sure I want to run out and shoot this guy too, but you have to say to yourself: No. That is an instinctual reaction. It feels good at the moment, but carefully considered it is not the right thing to do. A.J. - -- "Whenever any American's life is taken by another unnecessarily - whether it is done in the name of the law or in defiance of law,...In an attack of violence or in response to violence - the whole nation is degraded." - --Robert Kennedy _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:51:04 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Falcon Ridge Ticket Info "KatieWow" delighted us with: >there y'are. don't know if camping prices are per person or per tent/group Per person, in effect. That is, you can have a *group*, but everyone in it is required to pay the camping price if you're gonna camp. Since the price of camping is included in individual tickets, it only ends up being about $5 more per day per person. In other words, you won't be paying $65+ per tent (I wish!). You'll be paying $65+ per wristband, which is to say per person, and that'll also give you the right to camp. But boy, is it worth it. Of course I'm going! Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net "I feel like I just gave birth. To a DAT tape." -COM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:51:05 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: capital punishment It's been a hard day's night.... Srm9988n@aol.com delighted us with: >Capital punishment is: barbaric. ineffective. illogical. uncivilized. I'll bite. Not [anymore] because that line above made me want to rant; but because I really do feel this is an important enough (and political enough *g*) topic to be discussed on ammf. I've read everyone's posts on the subject, at least the ones my server graciously allowed me to see, and jotted down some issues that I would like to address. In order, sort of. My stance: I'm not pro-capital punishment. I'm not anti-, either. I believe it is never a black-and-white issue, and that to arbitrarily decide one's stance on it once and for all is impractical. It is wholly a matter of case-by-case consideration. Stalin deserved to be killed. Brutally or not, slowly roasted alive or bullet to the head, I don't care. He deserved to be killed, for all the millions of deaths, political imprisonments, general grief he caused. The antisemitic, homophobic son-of-a-b... deserved capital punishment. Does Kevorkian? Does the homicidal maniac who kills 52 people because "they deserve it"? Does Bill Clinton, for getting himself into a sexual-misconduct case? That's up to you to decide. I'd never presume to decide that. My stance, more defined: if we're dealing with a homicidal maniac, or a mass murderer, or even (oh, god, please let this can of worms stay closed for now) a mass (we're talking *mass*) rapist, then they *most likely* deserve capital punishment. But still, the issue merits a case-by-case discussion. The matter enters the gray zone when we're talking about a one-time killer, or Kevorkian, or whatever. These people *may not* be a Danger To Society. If there is any ambiguity in my mind as to whether someone should receive capital punishment, I tend to lean toward them NOT receiving it. But that's not the issue here. The issue is substantiation, and objectivity. I cannot in good faith agree with anyone who takes a firm stance on this very controversial issue without having solid grounding for their argument. Solid grounding is a subjective thing, I realize that, and make more than enough allowance for it. One of my housemates is Buddhist; she would not kill a spider, much less a person. "I couldn't do it myself, so I don't think it's right," she says, continuing on about the order of the universe, karma, etc. I can't argue with that, I can see the logic in that. It is her system of beliefs, it is her thought-out argument (I'm not quoting all of it, naturally). Another Buddhist stance is "live and let live." That includes letting other people punish human beings they feel have violated the basic tenets of coexistence. Whatever happens, happens, and if it needs to be corrected, karma and dharma (universal order) will take care of that. I can't argue with that either, and so if someone voices an opinion on the subject that is well-considered (subjective notion), I can only argue with the ideology, not with the validity of the opinion. What irritates me are the unconsidered statements I have heard voiced on the issue, here on ammf and elsewhere. If you argue that economic concerns should not be taken into account when considering capital punishment, you are ignoring the sad truth that money does rule the Western (and increasingly Eastern) world, and there is no escape from that. If you argue that no one can possibly have the authority to kill another human being, no matter what that human being has done, that is a fine theoretic argument, but ignores the fact that people *do* seek vengeance, that they have done it for at least the past two thousand years, and that that's not likely to change anytime soon. You are thus not arguing in the context of the current human condition, if you will; though your beliefs may be indeed purer (whatever that means) than the rest of humankind's, they do not coincide with the reality around you. I am starting to sound like a haughty 60-year-old wanna-be scholar. Someone help me. Someone brought up the issue of race. While this issue is very current in the U.S. and many other countries, particularly in North America, Australia and Africa, it is not all-inclusive. The issue of "uneven distribution" of capital punishment is, IMO, more closely tied to the issues of racism as a whole and of the [disproportionate] imprisonment of different races than to capital punishment. It is a larger problem than just capital punishment in some countries, and is much less of a problem in others (case in point: the Soviet Union. Yes, ethnicities, Jews, non-Russians, etc. But not "race"). Someone mentioned that, if there were more education on capital punishment, executions would stop. I beg to disagree. As much as I myself would like to see that happen (mostly), history suggests that it will not. Racism, enslavement of people, ethnocentrism have not stopped since Egyptian pharaohs, most probably much earlier. Despite the fact that they have been brought out into the open recently (the past couple of centuries being very recent past) says nothing about these injustices stopping. Likewise, killings will be avenged, one way or another, like they have been for thousands of years, no matter how much education we as a species have on the subject. There are too many of us to make us all agree on something that is so ingrained (sp?) into our past and present. The economic considerations of capital punishment vs. life imprisonment: here again the debate cannot be all-inclusive and should be considered on a case-by-case basis. Abortion: I believe the two are indeed different issues. On this one I will only say that today I read in the Brown Daily Herald possibly the most well-considered, intelligent essay on the abortion debate I have ever read, or could ever hope to write. If you are interested in more on this essay, e-mail me, or go to http://www.brown.edu/webmaster/az.html and look for the Daily Herald link there. The issue was that of Feb. 10th, and the article was published on the Opinion page. On preventing crimes before they start: a most noble enterprise. However, again, that's been attempted for centuries, to say the least. We should by no means stop attempting to create our own personal utopias, and if that includes no crime, so much the better. But while crime, and murder in particular, is a pressing issue, we should also have a measure for dealing with it. Someone I was talking to just before writing this post asked me what my stance was on prison overcrowding. My stance is, do what so many dictators prudently did (yes, they made Sensible Decisions, too): make people work. Outside of the prisons. Chain gangs, and the like. Psychologically, my very uneducated guess, it will be much better for the prisoners themselves: they will not be confined to the cell/prison for *all* of the time of their punishment. It's a good thing to remember sometimes that they are human like the rest of us; how would we feel, if we were confined to very narrow spaces? Would we develop closed-space phobias and violent tendencies and general unhappiness? And that's just about enough from me. Hope at least some of it was coherent; I should have been in bed 1.75 hours ago. (Fru-content: at FruCon I, Jian talked about the band's inability to decide their concrete position on gambling in Ontario, which resulted in "The Ballad of Cedric Fruvous." I believe that there are many more issues that merit an ambiguous stance than people seem to acknowledge... and that this is one of them.) - -v Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net "I feel like I just gave birth. To a DAT tape." -COM ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 1999 14:08:54 GMT From: affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affannato) Subject: Re: Interviews at Colleges I;m at the University of Pennsylvania in Philly. GO Quakers! (Oy, that's a bitch to have to say.) - --->Kelly Silver7 on mirc Megan (fannom@rpi.edu) wrote: : I'm at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, NY. : -Megan : REMcoat wrote: : > : > for those who are still of school-age, where are you at? i go to the U of Arts : > in philly... : > : > love, mandy the 80's girl... : > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : > j.a. : > m.s. : -- : @>->----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:55:09 GMT From: Groovy Spice Subject: Re: The Cult of American Smarties In article , katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) wrote: > Good god, people actually eat those things *voluntarily*? I'd always i rather like smarties, and they come in convenient little rolls for your.... ummm.. sucking pleasure. yes, they must be sucked first, to smooth out the convex edges before you bite into them. at least, that's how i eat them. ;) sweetarts are a little better, though. and hey, does anyone remember razzles? i ed razzles as a kid; i don't see them any more though. peace, ellen (it's a smartie! then it's gum! what more could you ask for?) ********************************************************************* May you build a ladder to the stars And climb on every rung ********************************************************************* - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 1999 14:06:20 GMT From: affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affannato) Subject: Re: Interviews at Colleges Well, they "strongly suggest" an interview at Penn, and so I did one. I got in, so maybe they area good thing. Actually, since Penn interviews are done through the Alumnae Association, I think the'yre just a ploy to keep the money-givers happy. - --->Kelly Silver7 on mirc ALeigh992 (aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI) wrote: : >Are interviews to get into college a normal thing? Because : >I can't think of anyone who had an interview (for the : >purpose of actually getting into a college, not merely : >an informational meeting with someone about the college). : Well, they're appreciated at some of the harder-to-get-into colleges, but : Northwestern is the only place I applied to that wanted me to give an : interview, and that's just cause they have a satellite campus all the way in : D.C. near my house. I've interviewed for one other college for a scholarship : (an extremely prestigious full scholarship one that I didn't end up getting), : and have another one at a different college for another scholarship coming up : in the end of Feb. (that one I have to fly to chicago for, but they're paying : for it!). I'm looking forward to my freshman year, where ever I end up, : because I won't have to face boards of people staring at me and asking me why : I'm great for so and so school! (I'll just save that for when I get to : interview for a job in a few years :-P ) : Aleigh : Check it out! Check it totally out!! --> http://i.am/not_your_broom : "Your feet are freezing in the ice of reason and it's too little much too : late"~ Yazbek ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 1999 15:26:51 GMT From: jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure) Subject: Re: FrCon: Anyone for the Raptors game Feb 18th? (FREE) Brent McNamee (bmcnamee@NOSPAM.yahoo.com) wrote: : : For those of you coming into town early, the Toronto Raptors are giving : away - yes, GIVING AWAY tickets to their games on the 18th and 19th. : Obviously, I know what you'll be doing on the 19th (if you're 19+, : anyway), but would anyone like to get together for the 18th at the : 'Dome? The seats kinda suck, but hey - they're free, and it's a chance : to see the Dome! Go all the way to Canada and watch a basketball game? Isn't that like sacrilegious or something? jordan - -- Fnord is the donut hole. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #141 ********************************************