From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #137 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, February 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fru-review 2.3.99: "dayton is a lovely city..." [Richard Butterworth ] Re: DC 9:30 Setlist with notes [Autumn Patterson ] Re: book/band/bickford [elinX@rff.org (Rodney Elin)] Re: capital punishment [Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Cameron Ross)] Re: capital punishment ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: DC 9:30 Setlist with notes ["KatieWow" ] Re: capital punishment ["A.J. LoCicero" ] My Favorite Moxy Story (by popular demand) [driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com (St] Re: capital punishment [Nate DeRose ] Re: capital punishment ["George E. Nowik" ] pittsburgh show on video ["Kristen Fair" ] Re: replies of a sort and the rest of a header I can't read [Gruneberg Ve] Re: My Favorite Moxy Story (by popular demand) [katrin@dimensional.com (K] Re: capital punishment [srm9988n@aol.com.no.spam (Srm9988n)] Re: capital punishment [srm9988n@aol.com.no.spam (Srm9988n)] Re: act locally! [aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992)] Re: Outing Richard Butterworth [jon@mrrl.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight)] Re: Weird Al & Moxy Fruvous [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmmm (LimeZinger)] Re: My Favorite Moxy Story (by popular demand) [driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:15:58 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: fru-review 2.3.99: "dayton is a lovely city..." Chad Maloney wrote: > You can order my videotapes, Chad Mahoney's How to Approach Fruvous to > learn these great approach and more. The testimonials roll in... Mrs P. Compost-Rottings of 26 Snakehips Road, Uzbekistan, writes... I cannot commend Mr Mahoney's video cassettes highly enough. Before watching them I was 3 foot 2, limped in cold weather and had an ugly husband. Professor Mahoney's instruction has given me the self-confidence to stand on a box, to move to a warmer climate and to have my husband murdered. Thank you Gospodin Mahoney for everything. Ms Jeremy Dustbinlids of Bottomsville in the Chinese Rockies writes... My freinds used to sneer at me because I only had photos of me with my arm around an angle-poise lamp. Since learning carefully from Lord Mahoney's instructional videos I now have twenty six thousand three hundred and forty eight photos of myself with an arm around Jian. I have also had all my friends buried in shallow unmarked graves. Thank you Congressman Mahoney and can I have my children back now? Mrs Hyman Spotnitz of the American Institute of Blancmange Wobblers writes... Please send me another copy of your instructional video as I accidentally cooked my original copy with a selection of seasonal herbs and root vegetables to make a healthy nutricious and cost effective broth. Need we say more? Tinkerty tonk Richard - ----------------------------------------- Salt fare North Sea weird stare further than the eye can see he had a head like a toy shop --`Some old salty'. Trad English song. - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:13:56 -0500 From: Autumn Patterson Subject: Re: DC 9:30 Setlist with notes On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Rachael Rosenthal wrote: > Last time I went to Toronto I picked up some smarties...expecting, well you know > those tangy, sugary, visions of goodness that we on this side of the border > expect, and got..... nasty chocolate things....I was scarred.... would have > ruined the trip if not for the monster box of timbits we got to get rid of the > Smarties taste. As long as we're still talking about Smarties (American) may I just say that I don't find their tangy and sugaryness to be good at all. Probably due to a popular party game we used to play in high school: How Many Smarties Can You Fit In Your Mouth at One Time Without Chewing? This game traumatized me and ruined the taste of Smarties for me forever. Especially since I was the only wuss who didn't spit them out - chewed every dern one. All hundred and some. *shudder* The things we will do in our youth for a good thrill... Autumn Patterson Goddess of the Lick and Editor of Precious Meat http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~apatte2 "I'm a Psychosomatic sister running around without a leash." - Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:31:07 GMT From: elinX@rff.org (Rodney Elin) Subject: Re: book/band/bickford On 10 Feb 1999 03:07:44 GMT, aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992) wrote: >>That whole movie was filmed in Germany! Where were all the Germans? >>-Matt > >It's Munich's claim to fame in the filmmaking culture. I spent most of last >summer in Munich, and the movie studio must have been the only place I didn't >go to, but every time I saw an ad to tour the studios (which was quite >frequently), they had a picture of random kids riding Fuchur the Luck Dragon >(his name in german, in the english movie it might have been Falcor or >something...not Falco, who is also quite popular in germany :-) ). I think Das >Boot was probably filmed in Munich too. So they have 2 movies filmed there of >international fame. (and a lot of crappy german movies...I've seen a >bunch...Germany is definitely not, and should not be known for its films) I am not sure about "Das Boot". If it was filmed in Munich, there were no outdoor or locaiton spots. It was all either in water or on a soundstage. Besides "Das Boot" and NES, Munich was also the location for the icomprable "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory." The exteriors were shot on such a low budget that almost no effort was made to hide the German language signage on the streets and on the storefronts. There is even a scene with a newscaster reporting, and the towers of the Frauenkirche, a distinct Munich landmark, were prominently visible. - --Rodney (Oops! It looks like I accidentally put an extra character in my email address. To reply to this message, remove the letter X) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:21:31 GMT From: Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Cameron Ross) Subject: Re: capital punishment > >If the question is expense, I'm willing to bet just about ANYTHING that > >you can kill someone much more cheaply than it would cost to house them > >(etc.) for the rest of their "life". Not true, considering a few factors. First off, when you are sent to Death Row you stay there for quite a while before you actually die. Secondly, the amount of appeals you have to go through for capitol punishment is a LOT more then a life sentence, and all of those cost. I can't remember the exact numbers, but Capitol Punishment is the most expensive option. > > >The cost of a .22 bullet is around 3 cents...... if placed correctly, > >it'll kill instantly. They don't use a gun though :) They use more 'humane' methods > > >I can't for the life of me understand anyone who is against capital > >punishment........ it's just LOGIC, people! > >Look at the amount of money we spend on these people with life or > >multiple life sentences per year.... and then look at the amount we'd > >save if they weren't alive! It's quite simple. If only it were. but it is more expensive to kill em. Then there are the horrible times where they find proof that the person was innocent, after killing 'em. Then there are the moral issues. (/me did a debate in school on this topic... although his group was picked to go FOR capitol punishment, instead of against it :) - - Life101 - "Shared pain is diminished; shared joy is increased." -Spider Robinson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:05:12 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: capital punishment Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > > Okay, here we go again with an off-topic topic that is so pressing it > needs to be addressed. And you were all afraid I'd throw in my .02, > weren't you? > > Capital punishment is: barbaric. ineffective. illogical. uncivilized. Oooh well said! Can I please agree completely? Lori, you rock! A.J. - -- "Life is so much simpler without sauce." - -- Lisa _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:56:50 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: DC 9:30 Setlist with notes but they come in such a cute little wrapper!!! and why bother with canadian smarties when you can have the far superior M&Ms? BTW--have you ever tried stuffing your mouth with (american) smarties and drinking sprite? it's not as much fun as doing the same with pop rocks, but it's a hoot :). ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** Autumn Patterson wrote in message ... >On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Rachael Rosenthal wrote: > >> Last time I went to Toronto I picked up some smarties...expecting, well you know >> those tangy, sugary, visions of goodness that we on this side of the border >> expect, and got..... nasty chocolate things....I was scarred.... would have >> ruined the trip if not for the monster box of timbits we got to get rid of the >> Smarties taste. > >As long as we're still talking about Smarties (American) may I just say >that I don't find their tangy and sugaryness to be good at all. Probably >due to a popular party game we used to play in high school: How Many >Smarties Can You Fit In Your Mouth at One Time Without Chewing? This game >traumatized me and ruined the taste of Smarties for me forever. Especially >since I was the only wuss who didn't spit them out - chewed every dern >one. All hundred and some. *shudder* The things we will do in our youth >for a good thrill... > > >Autumn Patterson >Goddess of the Lick >and Editor of Precious Meat >http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~apatte2 > >"I'm a Psychosomatic sister running around without a leash." > - Liz Phair > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:48:31 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: capital punishment Nate DeRose wrote: > There is absolutely NO reason for us to feed, clothe, educate and house > someone who is never going to reenter society anyway. Sure there is. We aren't omnicient and we don't KNOW that they won't reenter society. Plus, we don't KNOW for abosolute certainty that they commited the crime. You need to watch The Thin Blue Line methinks. > If they have a life sentence, kill them. Michigan has had until recently had a manditory penalty of life in prison without parole for possession of larger amounts of illegal drugs. Maybe you would like to rethink that statement? > If the question is expense, I'm willing to bet just about ANYTHING that > you can kill someone much more cheaply than it would cost to house them > (etc.) for the rest of their "life". In totalitarian countries it is. Executions are cheap in China. They were very inexpensive in the Soviet Union. They were models of economic efficiency in Nazi Germany. However if you are going to make even a cursory attempt to protect someone's constitutional rights (and who in their right mind doesn't want to do that?) then the answer totally changes. No it is MUCH MUCH more expensive to execute someone. The trial costs alone run to the millions! Here's further information: http://www.amnesty-usa.org/abolish/facts.html#10 > The cost of a .22 bullet is around 3 cents...... if placed correctly, > it'll kill instantly. Nate, that statement is purposefully inflamatory, and it has succeeded causing a visceral reaction in my gut that causes me to momentarily muse about using the death penalty on those who advocate it, rather than on more traditional murderers. Obviously, Opinions are not crimes, no matter how heinous, but sometimes prior to calm reflection, they can seem like it. I believe that this is the mechanism that causes many to support capital punishment. I think they just never actually get to the calm reflection part. > > I can't for the life of me understand anyone who is against capital > punishment........ it's just LOGIC, people! No, actually it is passion. Logic can easily be used to show that there is absolutely no valid rationale for the death penalty. > Look at the amount of money we spend on these people with life or > multiple life sentences per year.... and then look at the amount we'd > save if they weren't alive! It's quite simple. I believe we've already shot this argument down several times. Do some research before you keep using it. > This is just something I've always felt very strongly about...... and > continue to. You and me both. But it IS harder for me to get past the fact that you actually want to kill someone, while I merely feel we have no right to do that. I do respect your opinion, but it requires huge emotional blinkers for me to do so. A.J. - -- "Whenever any American's life is taken by another unneccessarily - whether it is done in the name of the law or in defiance of law,...In an attack of violence or in response to violence - the whole nation is degraded." - --Robert Kennedy _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:24:27 -0800 From: driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com (Stiff, Dried, Creaking Monkey) Subject: My Favorite Moxy Story (by popular demand) Fruchild wrote: thats amazing... that other story... i wanna hear that one too =+) Fruchild Okay, here goes: Damn, I'm embarrased. The other story isn't that great, especially for those who were present. Basically, I was at the last show at Lafayette square in Buffalo, preessed up against the stage. I was wearing my trenchcoat and black hat (outback style) and shades when fruvous came on stage. David was wearing a very similar hat and shades. I thought it was cool. They sang a couple of songs, and then, during their break, I saw Mike anddave talking and looking at me. I thought "Oh, they can't be talking about me. Probably someone behind me." Mike started to talk about how Dave, in his outfit, looked like "the Man". As in, "we just wanted to ride out bikes and have a little fun, but the Man put us down." Then Murray said, "Wait, Dave's not the Man. That's the Man, down in the audience!" "Hey, Man, get up on stage!" I pulled myself up (no mean feat considering I'm not exactly Mr. Slim Jim and the stage was around shoulder level), when they started to Improv about "The Man" I was petrified. And exalted. All at once. Then Dave handed me his microphone! Mike: Who's the Man? Me: (Terrified silence and worst case of stage fright ever). Mike: You're the Man! He repeated it, asking me who the Man was, I said that I, indeed was the Man. (for anyone present, I ask your forgiveness for my lack of imagination. I was on the stage with Moxy Fruvous, and if that wasnt bad enough, I had 600 people watching me!) They sang for a few seconds, then Mike came out with, "So tell us very Manly Man, what's your very Manly plan?" A thousand witty things filled my head. But what forced itself out of my mouth was "I don't know" Moxy "He doesn't know his plan!" Murray: That guy's not the Man! They jammed for a while more, with me dancing and showing off my moves on the stage. I remember an especially lurid sequence wherein Murray was asking me something like "Are you Ray Liotta? Are you (insert sone other Ray name) are you Fay Wraye (I know, I probably misspelled it) Are you Manta Ray?" I got off the stage, shaking. I barely noticed when they played my favorite live song, Boo Time, the song that made me fall in love with Moxy in the first place. Mike kept grinning down at me and loking sideways for a few songs, too. Oh well, there goes. My favorite Fruvous story. Peace, Tamdakh *** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:27:02 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: capital punishment Mmmmmmmmmmmm. Well, this'll be my last post on the subject....as I hate to have this thread continue in a newsgroup where it's not a related topic..... After reading all of your posts, I can see I opened quite a can of worms. I would like to apologize for my first post..... as I wrote it while angry and tired, and it was rather harsh and inflammatory. So, sorry about that. I guess the point I was trying to make was that in an ideal world, there wouldn't BE the whole issue of the cost of legal systems and such. If you kill someone, somebody sees you do it, they kill you. It would be much more simple that way..... But that is, obviously, an overly simplified view of the whole issue. When you get right down to it, I suppose I object more to the inflated costs of the legal and judicial systems more than anything else. That and the fact that if someone murders another human being, they are allowed to live out the rest of their life in complimentary accomodations supplied by the taxpayers. But, that being said.... I can certainly see your side of the arguement.... and it does take something into account which I'm not with my side..... the ethics and the moral issues. Well, enough about this topic.....time to return to the regularly discussed fruvous topics. :) Nate (who is now a bit scared that he's going to get lynched at frucon) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:01:26 GMT From: "George E. Nowik" Subject: Re: capital punishment From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: capital punishment >Nate (who is now a bit scared that he's going to get lynched at frucon) if i read correctly, i was elected as the official lynch mob and squad for the duration of the fruhead convention weekend. powerman has ways of dealing with the likes of you. *grin* -= george =- p.s. back for a few months folx. here come the novelesque reviews. flee. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:30:00 GMT From: "Kristen Fair" Subject: pittsburgh show on video hey, just wanted to let you guys know: i was so fortunate as to set up my camera and tape the pittsburgh show...for anyone who's interested, i'm willing to trade for some quality fruvous boots--you can find me @ kfair@washjeff.edu. thanks! peace, love, dope, kristen ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 1999 16:56:43 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: replies of a sort and the rest of a header I can't read Yup, that's the song alright!! :) Only, singing it in elementary school is one thing. Playing in a massed band without practicing it together while marching in the Grey Cup parade in Hamilton (highlights for anyone who missed it two years ago - SNOW!!!) is another story. The memories. You'd think in a parade as big as the Grey Cup you wouldn't have to dodge parked cars on the parade route. You'd be wrong. I've never heard the mythical Saskatchewan song of which you speak. But I am rather a fan of "The Last Saskatchwean Pirate" by the Worms. I get great joy out of the "screw the GST" line... and sob daily that they're in Toronto this weekend, and I can't get there!! Damn this CD recording... :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:03:11 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: My Favorite Moxy Story (by popular demand) In article , driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com says... > Then Murray said, "Wait, Dave's not the Man. That's > the Man, down in the audience!" > "Hey, Man, get up on stage!" > I pulled myself up (no mean feat considering I'm not > exactly Mr. Slim Jim and the stage was around shoulder > level), when they started to Improv about "The Man" > I was petrified. And exalted. All at once. > Then Dave handed me his microphone! > Mike: Who's the Man? > Me: (Terrified silence and worst case of stage fright > ever). > Mike: You're the Man! > He repeated it, asking me who the Man was, I said that > I, indeed was the Man. Okay, now THAT is an amazing story, as was your other one. I'm not sure which I like better; I just gotta say I'm envious of you for both. Couple of tangents of my own: The first show we saw was in Denver, and afterward I informed Tom that I *would* be going to the show in Boulder 2 nights later, whether he went or not. He'd observed my primitive reptilian hindbrain's purely involuntary reaction to...um...the band (hey, I can't be held responsible for that!) and said there was no way I'd be going to see them without him. Jian was right there and started talking to us, and Tom kept talking in terms of "MY WIFE wants to go to the Boulder show..." "I'm not letting MY WIFE go there alone..." It was so cute. Jian asked why (as I stood there the whole time gaping and staring in awe at him, trying to regain the power of speech), and Tom replied, "'Cause I'm THE MAN! And I'm keepin' her DOWN!" I have to thank him for playing the heavy and keeping me from looking like the blathering idiot I really was that evening. 2nd tangent: Man Ray and Fay Wray are not The Man. They are the dogs that I can't help thinking of whenever someone brings up the topic of that grocery store somewhere out east that I've never been to. k@ help, help, I'm bein' repressed ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:37:14 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.no.spam (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: capital punishment Nate worried: >Nate (who is now a bit scared that he's going to get lynched at frucon) oh, dear, Nate. Now that would be pretty inconsistent for a bunch of capital-punishment opponents, wouldn't it? - -- Lori, being logical and all. :) - -- Lori ******************************* visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:42:42 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.no.spam (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: capital punishment A.J. said: >Obviously, Opinions are not crimes, no matter how heinous, but sometimes >prior to >calm reflection, they can seem like it. I believe that this is the mechanism >that >causes many to support capital punishment. I think they just never actually >get to >the calm reflection part. Oooh, A.J.! Well put! - -- Lori, rockin' in stereo with A.J. ********** (9 days! 9 days!) - -- Lori ******************************* visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:49:27 GMT From: aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992) Subject: Re: act locally! >to that end, please send email to and tell them how >much you'd love to see fruvous play there, and how they'd sell out the barns >in a new york minute. I did so, and this was the note I got in reply: *** thanks for your note regarding Moxy Fruvous. we've been trying for some time to have them play The Barns of Wolf Trap, but unfortunately, this year tour routing and our schedule didn't coincide .... more than once. we'll continue trying, possibly for next year, so keep checking the schedule -- our website is updated constantly www.wolf-trap.org. *** So it looks like Wolf trap is trying to have Früvous, it just hasn't worked out so far :-) It'd be great to see them there, though! Aleigh Check it out! Check it totally out!! --> http://i.am/not_your_broom "Your feet are freezing in the ice of reason and it's too little much too late"~ Yazbek ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:48:02 GMT From: jon@mrrl.lut.ac.uk (Jon Knight) Subject: Re: Outing Richard Butterworth Ross Hendry (ross_hendry@bigfoot.com) wrote: : That is great fun! Sticking your head right outside the window and : just watching the world go by. Keep an eye open for oncoming tunnels : though. |-< The trick is to not look backwards down the train. Unless you're in the cab and can take a quick squint at what's coming before it hits you. : >Jim'll : > : Fix It for yooouu and you and you and bababaa bababaa! What's this, someone on Usenet who "gets it" without having to make me explain it for half an hour? Will wonders never cease? I really do like this newsfroup. A much better class of person hanging around. :-) - -- Tatty bye, Jim'll ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 1999 18:19:00 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmmm (LimeZinger) Subject: Re: Weird Al & Moxy Fruvous >Check this out. :-) > >http://www.weirdal.com/almoxy.htm > >-Adam > adam, you're such a dork. ;) oh dear god, was that INTENDED to look like a backstreet boys pose?! sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org ~ icq:26873712 http://members.aol.com/kdsinthhal/ "glad you like it. now git." - conan o'brien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:46:58 -0800 From: driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com (Stiff, Dried, Creaking Monkey) Subject: Re: My Favorite Moxy Story (by popular demand) >2nd tangent: Man Ray and Fay Wray are not The Man. >They are the dogs that I can't help thinking of >whenever someone brings up the topic of that grocery >store somewhere out east that I've never been to. >k@ help, help, I'm bein' repressed Huh? What grocery store? *** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) *** ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #137 ********************************************