From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #83 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, January 26 1999 Volume 03 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: favorite books (was a lot of stuff) [Fru-Monique ] Re: Favorite books (was a lot of stuff) [elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt J] Arthurian Legend, Fave Books, and stuff [Angie Armstrong ] Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #26 [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: top five books [aadler1@tiger.towson.edu] Frucon shirts -- Come on folks! Let's order! [Nate DeRose ] thanks ["Halley Johnson" ] Re: Grover (favorite books (was a lot of stuff)) [Mindy J Munson ] Re: DC show info [Kate Bunting ] Moxy CDR Trading [msluchet@rmc.com] Re: DC show info [aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992)] Re: top five books [pirmann@panix.com (David Pirmann)] Re: Grover (favorite books (was a lot of stuff)) [aleigh992@aol.comBROCCO] Re: Grover (favorite books (was a lot of stuff)) [jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andre] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:50:45 GMT From: Fru-Monique Subject: Re: favorite books (was a lot of stuff) > "^kat^" wrote: > > > on that note... anyone familiar with anne mccaffrey's _dragonriders of pern_ > > series? that's my absolute *favorite* series of novels. And Fiona wrote back: Anne > McCaffrey rocks. My first one and still my favourite was Dragonsinger. I > identify with Menolly a lot. The Masterharper of Pern was great, as was The > Dolphins of Pern, and the one... the stories from the First Pass. I don't own > that one and I want it. Niftynacho. I [heart] the Pern books. "Dragonsong" was the very first scifi book I ever read (at age 11) and it had me hooked on the genre ever since. Except I always have problems figuring out how to pronounce that kid's name..."PIE-mur" sounds too silly, cause he's got that thing about eating pies. Continuing the thread..anybody like David Eddings? I have all the Belgariad/Mallorean books, Belgarath the Sorcerer, and am currently awaiting Polgara in paperback to complete the collection. Those books *rock*. Monique o/~Cry "Pisco!" and let slip the Budgie Dogs of War\~o --Aqualung ;) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:37:02 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: top five books In article <78jpah$bhb$1@remarQ.com>, nthrbns*outspammeddot*@netpluscom.com says... > Skinny Legs and All - Tom Robbins > I can't believe no one's mentioned him. Seems like he'd be up your > collective alley. Y'know, you're right. I haven't read him in years and I'd completely forgotten. Good, good stuff. Come to think of it, anyone who's a Tom Robbins fan would also most likely really get into Jonathan Carroll. k@ ...they're not *alike*, but if you like one, then you'll probably appreciate the other... :) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 1999 16:51:10 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Robbie Burns Well, Fiona, come on up and visit Queen's next year! What a party. Piping in the haggis, kilts, highland dancing, "To a Haggis" read in a most amusing manner, Burns recitations... let's just say getting up for class this morning was really tough. But much as I love the ceremony, I cannot bring myself to actually eat haggis. I've tried it, don't get me wrong. But... well, I know what's in it, and as a biologist, I know what those things do! :) This makes me very excited for the St. Patrick's Day party... :) Veronica (Monday night party makes for a rough Tuesday morning...) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 1999 17:23:42 GMT From: elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James) Subject: Re: Favorite books (was a lot of stuff) : I've often wondered that myself. It seemed that if one : is to write anysort of : significant fantasy novel, it must be : compared to Tolkein. I'm almost glad : I've never read him yet *ducks*. I tried to : read the Hobbit last summer and : just could not get into it....perhaps on a : later date I'll try again. I dunno, I always thought of the Hobbit as more of a children's book, something you start reading in 5th or 6th grade. Yes, it is sort of an introduction to the Lord of the Rings but the language seems to much more geared towards older people. Not only is it bigger in size (1200 pages including appendices?) it just seems so much more involved as well. I also find Tolkien's dedication astounding. He basically wrote all of this throughout his entire life, encluding while he was in the RAF (or some branch of the armed forces). He was also basically one of the original fantasty writer who's legacy is really remembered. - -Matt P.S. Becky, you get a silver star for trying ;) I don't think any one person could say exactly where Aurthur is buried. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt James Voice: (301) 231-9898 x. 121 TYC Associates email: mjames@tyc.com Rockville, MD alternate: mattj@charm.net http://www.tyc.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:20:04 GMT From: Angie Armstrong Subject: Arthurian Legend, Fave Books, and stuff wow, what wonderful things being discussed, and as usual i have something to say about all of them!!! :^) 1) CN Tower... I'm game, but I have to see what my 'Con mates are interested in doing... maybe I wait too long to start planning... but since I usually _over_ plan I guess I'm doing well. 2) Latest Romeo & Juliet- I actually liked it, tho I had no desire to see it in theatres. I like the contemporary play on it, I _LOVED_ Mercutio (*sigh* enough to make me sit through Oz on HBO...), but I just cant' deal with Leo D' in love scenes... he always looks 12 years old, awkward, and such the turn off...(Titanic and Man in the Iron Mask, which I both loved... solidified that opinion). 3) Paul Mischler - SOS at work: "Where is Bldg 7A?" "Oh, it's that Brick Building over there," --RIT c/o '94 4) re Classical Music - there's something just not right about operatic renditions of gospels and spirituals... in memory of director Robert Shaw, who died yesterday of a stroke, the local classical station just played a choral rendition of "Nobody Knows (the trouble I seen)." that's just not right... 5) Mindy - sorry to hear things are so bad yet good for you... I understand completely... things are so very much the same here, but I'll spare the disk space. Suffice to say things (and people) are rarely what they seem. *Hugs* your way. 6) egad... talking about books... my list is way too long, but I'll try to think of how many books people have said , "Jesus, you're reading that _again_?" - --the Phantom Tollbooth - --Watership Down, Richard Adams - --The Crystal Cave, Mary Stewart - --It, Stephen King - --Phantom, Mary Kay (kind of a sequel/prequel/during-quel? of Phantom of the Opera... from his 'Erik's point of view, being born, growing up, and after Christine and Raoul left the Underground Lair... *sigh* so many more, but these are the ones off the top of my head. How do series' count? The Gunslinger Series from Stephen King, The Thomas Covenant Chronicles by Stephen R. Donaldson, The Star of the Guardians Trilogy by Margaret Weiss, Gordon R. Dicksons the Dragon and _____ series (1st one is the Dragon and the George, I think the latest is the Dragon and the Djinn) anyway... I've been diggin' this conversation on Arthurian Legend... I got hooked with the Crystal Cave, and of course Tennyson, and I was so absorbed with the Mists of Avalon that I often found it difficult to remember who and what and _where_ I was! Just before reading Mists, I acquired (hoo boy, big admission here) a tarot deck... the Arthurian Tarot (long story, I used to read Rune Stones, now I read Tarot, I used to do it semi-professionally, now I do it when the mood strikes). The cards are absolutely beautiful, and between the legend and the imagery and the cards themselves... at times they are frighteningly accurate. anyway (again), I'm now guessing it's time to hit the Library and dig out the Crystal Cave again... thanks alot guys!!! ;^} It's lunchtime and I need to start making phone calls for FruCon and such... and perhaps do a bit of a Theological/Philisophical/Emotional make-over... - --angie When I get back we'll dip our cup Into the fountain of youth We'll rest our heads and raise a toast To the sunset's beautiful truth --Moxy Fruvous ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:21:00 -0500 From: Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Cameron Ross) Subject: Re: five favs >has anyone read the seventh son series (not sure if this is the >appropriate >name) of books by orson scott card? Yeppers, the Tales of Alvin Maker... I love that series... not on top 5 but still really good :) I still have to get book five... what is it... heartfire.... something like that :) still in Hardcover. - - Life101 - "Jesus was a Jesus Freak" -Dan Bern ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:25:28 GMT From: Cameron_Ross@ufacademy.com (Cameron Ross) Subject: Re: five favs >has anyone read the seventh son series (not sure if this is the >appropriate >name) of books by orson scott card? Yeppers, the Tales of Alvin Maker... I love that series... not on top 5 but still really good :) I still have to get book five... what is it... heartfire.... something like that :) still in Hardcover. - - Life101 - "Jesus was a Jesus Freak" -Dan Bern ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:06:53 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: The Nields and Great Big Sea on Mountain Stage. oh, obviously :). ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** Joyful Girl wrote in message <19990126162710.29904.qmail@hotmail.com>... >baltimore is definitely the cooler town > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:10:47 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: five favs "the scarlet letter" rocks if it's taught right (or the genius who can read it right on the first try [not me]). i love the psychological workings. it's one of those books (like "portrait of a lady") that _can't_ be made a film--the drama is internal, and the action of the book exists mostly in the minds of the characters. pretty intense. ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** JianBabe wrote in message <19990126111056.11164.00003478@ng95.aol.com>... >>Fruchild said: >>>5 The Sacrlet Letter >> >>The first young person I've ever met who *liked* that book (including >>everyone in my last three years of Honors English)! Wow > >I loved this book! Garnered some strange looks from my classmates too. >(More so even then when I dressed up as Hester Prynne....... : ) > >Also, I wanna add how much it's delighting me that the latest subjects 'round >here have been Shakespeare, books, and King Arthur. >/me sighs happily > >~Joni >"Go out and tell our story, let it echo far and wide, make them hear you...my >path may lead to heaven or hell and God will say what's best, but one thing he >will never say is that I went quietly to my rest." >Coalhouse Walker Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:00:42 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #26 chad wondered: > ZardSnod wrote: > > Lori wrote: > > > > >LN, Jian just grabbed the Bottom Line postcard out of it and > > >signed it; then the others followed suit. So I can't fill > > >out the survey and send it back to BL now ... so what? > > >Well, that's simple! Buy another Bottom Line release (even > >another copy of Live Noise!) - fill out survey, and return! :-) > Yes, but what is she to do about the other Bottom Line release? > (I can see where this wouldn't be a problem if she bought > another copy of LN, though.) Well, I could always buy a CD by that nice Scottish folk singer Danny Burns, now couldn't I? I mean, it would be seasonal, and all, Bobby Burns Day having been just the other. And then I could listen to those sweet little songs about dollies of all sizes, and romantic sojourns in Paris, and growing up nonChristian in the tolerance belt of Amurrrica. Or I could just not sweat it, which was really my point. - -- Princess Lori ****************** If I tell you that I love you don't you test my love Just accept my love Don't test my love Because maybe I don't love you all that much. --- Danny Burns > -Zard - - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:46:20 GMT From: aadler1@tiger.towson.edu Subject: Re: top five books hee hee, i love to talk about books. anna is a nerd, go on, say it :) on a side note, i am *really* impressed at some of the books people like. anyhoo, here's my $.02 (with long and strenuous debate...) Still Life with Woodpecker; Tom Robbins. (Kind of a standard response, I know, but it has sentimental value of sorts, plus, I'm a big fan of Camels.) Tropic of Cancer; Henry Miller. (Crazy, crazy stuff. I wrote a book report on this when I was in tenth grade. Scared the shit out of my teacher.) On The Road; Jack Kerouac. (Another standard response, but I don't care!) Paradise; Mike Resnick (I read this one when I was younger, but it's political and very very good) The Ethics of Ambiguity; Simone De Beauvoir (I'm only a quarter of the way done, but I think it will definitly be one of my top five later on.) The Death Gate Cycle; Margaret Weiss & Tracy Hickman (I need a sci-fi/fantasy fix every once in a while) Okay, so that was six. I guess I couldn't restrain myself. I'm sorry :) Lets see if my crazy formatting antics worked. gotta pack, moving back into school, where the *fast* computer is, and it won't take three hours to read 10 posts!!! yay!!! - -anna- - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:22:03 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Frucon shirts -- Come on folks! Let's order! I was just looking... and there's only a week left for people to get shirts! ACK! Admittedly, my motivation for wanting people to order is selfish.... I really want to get MY shirts! :) Remember folks, anyone can order 'em! Even if you're not going! So, hurry up, only a week left! cheers, nate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:11:00 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: Robbie Burns On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:58:02 -0500, "KatieWow" wrote: >in honor of robert burns day, a few lines from that paragon of >scottish-american representative entertainment, "so i married an axe >murderer"-- > >"i have to ask--do you actually like haggis?" >"no--it's for my dad. i find it repellent in every way. in fact, i think >most scottish cuisine was based on a dare." > >~~kate > Well, I'm sure that's where the idea for deep fat fried Mars Bars/Twixes/Snickers/Chewits/everything came from! No other way anyone would have done it IMO! Ross, who's not getting his haggis till Thursday. Humph! It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://freespace.virgin.net/g.hendry/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:58:57 -0500 From: Taryn Kutish Subject: Re: top five books I loved _A Prayer for Owen Meany_ too! Can anyone recommend any other Irving books? Taryn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:05:33 GMT From: "Halley Johnson" Subject: thanks Hi all - I just wanted to thank everybody who sent tips and ideas to help me with this Canadian accent project -- you're such a resourceful group! And Josh, that hockey player angle was fabulous -- I would never have thought of it. Fru-content here: um.....well, I'm kinda drawing a blank here...the pressure to come up with something witty and original is just too much for me....um....ok, here's something.....ain't they great?! HJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:12:52 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Grover (favorite books (was a lot of stuff)) >In a message dated 1/25/99 7:03:42 AM Central Standard Time, >bbwminors@aol.com >writes: > >> "The Monster at the End of this Book" >> (A Sesame Street book starring Grover). >Yay! Another fan of Grover. Yay! my ulitmate favorite as a child. Esp cause I loved doing what I was told not to =+) Furchild the disobedient ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:49:39 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Jon. Carroll ( top five books) I think it was you who told me to whip out my Bones of the Moon baak by JC. So, being the good girl that I am, I just statred reading it.... Last night in fact. What a coinky dink! Fruchild, enjoying Bones and the lastest Eddie From Ohio update > >Y'know, you're right. I haven't read him in years and I'd completely >forgotten. Good, good stuff. Come to think of it, anyone who's a Tom >Robbins fan would also most likely really get into Jonathan Carroll. > >k@ >...they're not *alike*, but if you like one, then you'll probably >appreciate the other... :) > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:48:42 -0500 From: Kate Bunting Subject: Re: DC show info If they haven't confirmed an opening act yet, by all means, exert your influence as a consumer! Call the 9:30 Club and request theat they book DA VINCI'S NOTEBOOK to open that night-- great buncha guys, fantastic a cappella tunes, and much, much humor rolled into one cool quartet! Much love (and pullin' to see DVN that night) Kate ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Katherine E. Bunting sailor@wam.umd.edu "Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:46:50 GMT From: msluchet@rmc.com Subject: Moxy CDR Trading I was wondering if anyone out there trades Moxy on CDR. I currently have 3 shows (12/6/97, 12/7/97, and 10/2/97) that I got from Jason Reiser. I'd like to expand my collection as well as spread these shows to other people. I have found 2 other websites of people with CDRs but one can't do disc-at-once and the other doesn't have a burner yet. If anyone out there has some moxy or BNL for that matter, I'd love to trade. I'm not taking any blanks and postage at this time (but I'll gladly do a b+p to get shows). Soon, when I build my collection of moxy on CD, I'll come back and offer up some shows for b+p. please email me.. I also have tons of phish on cdr for trade.. Thanks msluchet@rmc.com Scott Luchetti - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 1999 21:29:03 GMT From: aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992) Subject: Re: DC show info >Call the 9:30 Club and request theat they book >DA VINCI'S NOTEBOOK to open that night-- great buncha guys, fantastic a >cappella tunes, and much, much humor rolled into one cool quartet! That's a wonderful idea!! Think they'll actually book them? :-) I checked out DVN's site to see if they're busy...here's what it says, "FEBRUARY AND BEYOND... We've been invited to perform for Md. Governor Parris "The Body" Glendening, and will be hosting a fundraiser for Robinson H.S. in Fairfax (where Uncle Bernie's niece attends) in late February...our good friends Moxy Fruvous return to the area to play the 9:30 Club on February 5th" does that mean DVN's going to be there to perform (), or just going to be there to see Früvous? But the date's not listed in scheduled concerts of theirs. Aleigh Check it out! Check it totally out!! --> http://i.am/not_your_broom "She's got a thimble, full of all I know..." ~ Mono Puff ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 1999 16:05:01 -0500 From: pirmann@panix.com (David Pirmann) Subject: Re: top five books Hi all, I figured as my first Fru-post i'd contribute to this thread. As an English Lit major who's been out of school for several years I appreciated reading thru these suggestions and thought I'd post mine. I guess this isn't so much "favorites" as works I felt to be important or stuff I've recently read that seems noteworthy. Soneone mentioned Oscar Wilde's "Dorian Gray", I second that, plus also his short stories (written for his children). These are collected in "The Complete Shorter Fiction" and are on the web too. Some of these stories are probably the most beautiful prose I've ever seen. Very vivid visual imagery. "Birthday of the Infanta", "Remarkable Rocket", "Selfish Giant" etc. (http://www.bibliomania.com/Fiction/wilde/stories/index.html) Also, "De Profundis" - the letter he wrote while in prison. I guess it would help to have some knowledge of his life or his trials for "gross indecency". I also recently read the "Journals" of the artist Keith Haring. I have one word to describe this book: Fascinating. It is filled with little bits of his philosophy on art, life, death. It's more or less an autobiography of his last ten years making art and working with people around the world. I'll try to post more later. Back to work now. - --Dave (see you all in Philly) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 1999 21:47:48 GMT From: aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992) Subject: Re: Grover (favorite books (was a lot of stuff)) >On a related note, if >anyone remembers Teeny Little Superguy, please tell me...nobody >believes me that he existed. Yes!!! I even remember the tune of his theme song! (but not the words, for some reason) You're not going crazy :-) His adventures in the bathroom and the kitchen, and at the end of every episode he would go back to where he resided, the cupboard that had this turning thing...I haven't thought about that guy in ages :-) Aleigh Check it out! Check it totally out!! --> http://i.am/not_your_broom "She's got a thimble, full of all I know..." ~ Mono Puff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:23:21 GMT From: jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andrea Krause) Subject: Re: Grover (favorite books (was a lot of stuff)) On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:12:52 GMT, Mindy J Munson wrote: >>In a message dated 1/25/99 7:03:42 AM Central Standard Time, >>bbwminors@aol.com >>writes: >> >>> "The Monster at the End of this Book" >>> (A Sesame Street book starring Grover). >>Yay! Another fan of Grover. > >Yay! my ulitmate favorite as a child. Esp cause I loved doing what I >was told not to =+) > >Furchild the disobedient >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Ok, this is too weird. I *just* got home from the grocery store where I happened upon a disturbing sight. I was in the kids book section looking for The Everything in the World Museum (another Grover book, MY fave...can't find it!!) and I see the Monster at the End of this Book. Except it's NOT. They made a whole new book with the exact same artwork on every page. *Every* page. It's now "Would You Like to Play Hide & Seek in This Book With Lovable Furry Old Grover?" I know this because I just HAD to buy it. (I have to show it to my sister...she won't believe it either.) So, instead of taping and roping and glueing things to keep the pages from turning, the pictures now illustrate Grover trying to hide by taping himself to the page, etc. I don't know why it bothered me so. I guess having one of my favorite Grover memories *changed* on me was too much to bear. Ah well...I still can't believe I read this message today of all days. :) Andrea K. (Proud to say she STILL loves Sesame Street. On a related note, if anyone remembers Teeny Little Superguy, please tell me...nobody believes me that he existed. Do you know how strangely people look at me at work for trying to describe a little guy who is on a plastic cup and plays in the kitchen with his kitchen friends and can sink into the counter? Um...OK, I 'spose I'd be getting those weird looks even if they DID remember. I'd kill for a video. :) ) "...too many people think they're misunderstood every time somebody disagrees with them." - Jess Klein ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #83 *******************************************