From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #61 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, January 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Harlan Ellison (was re: Sad Reality) [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Lues] Re: Shakespeare (was Jewel Kilcher etc) ["KatieWow" ] Re: Shakespeare (was Jewel Kilcher etc) [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: song wish list [tmbgirl@juno.com] Re: pets [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: Shakespeare [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: Harlan Ellison (was re: Sad Reality) [LuCkYDaBeD@aol.com] Re: Shakespeare (was Jewel Kilcher etc) [schr9271@fredonia.edu] DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE [petit_chou@juno.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:56:26 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Harlan Ellison (was re: Sad Reality) In article , LuCkYDaBeD@aol.com says... > if you like those authors, i would suggest terry brooks (looooove his books) > and harlan ellison. although ellison takes a different approach on his work > than most traditional fantasy/sci fi writers, i just can't stand to put "Angry > Candy" (the book by ellison i'm reading now) down Oh, Gus, since you're new here you don't realize how easily I can be provoked to go on long rambling tangents. But since you mentioned Harlan Ellison, this is your time to live and learn. Tom (my husband; you'll see him occasionally around here but he mostly lurks) and I are also big Ellison fans. We had the good fortune to see him up-close and personal at a lecture a few months ago, and afterward we bought some books for him to sign. We waited in line for*ever*, and just as we got to the front we heard him explaining to the people before us why he never personalizes autographs (basically, he just doesn't have the time, which was obvious from the crowd gathered there). When I handed him my books, Dorky Fangirl(tm) that I am, I had to relate to him this story: The first time I'd seen him (or even heard of him) was in 1984, my freshman year at the University of North Dakota, where he was a guest at the Writers' Conference. My best friend Jane worked in the English department, and she dragged me along with her to all the really kickass parties (um, I mean official formal receptions) where I got to meet many cool authors. I'd lost touch with Jane for several years and recently heard from her again. She now lives in Strasburg, ND; is married to a guy she met in her bowling league; has become a Baptist and sells Amway. I pointed to one of the books (of which I'd bought two copies) and said, "This book is for her." He opened it to the title page, and wrote: "FOR JANE - JESUS LOVES YOU. Harlan Ellison." k@ And yes, she took it in the spirit that I'd intended :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:30:42 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Shakespeare (was Jewel Kilcher etc) as socialist and elitist and bizzare as it sounds, i really think people should have been required to read the play _before_ seeing the movie. ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** nafio@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <783bdh$2jh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >Heather wrote: > >> D'ya mean Benvolio or Mercutio? > >Mercutio. I get my comic-relief character names mixed up. > >> Cause (as Fruchild can attest) I *HATED* what Baz Luhrman did to the Queen Mab >speech. > >FINALLY!!!! Practically everyone I know LOVED that speech and I just about >threw things at the screen. (It didn't help that I went to see it with >someone who loves Leo and has NO clue about Shakespeare but I digress) Like >hello ECSTACY??? wtf? In general though, I hated the portrayal. > >I saw R&J in Stratford (Ontario)a couple of years before the movie came out, >starring Megan Follows as Juliet, Anthony Cimolino as Romeo and Colm Feore as >Mercutio. Colm Feore rocks. He is an *amazing* theatrical talent. I've seen >him as Hamlet, as Mercutio, as Oberon and.. I forget as what in Julius >Caesar. His portrayal of Mercutio was so funny, with emphasis on all the >little in-jokes that Shakespearean language is full of. In contrast, the >angry, pain-filled portrayal in the recent movie seemed so pointless. They >developed this whole background for the character that just didn't fit with >my interpretation of the character. > >> for another day. In terms of direction, I thought it was fairly >> innovative, but there are a lot of changes I would've made. I liked the >> touches with speeding up Juliet's mother, and the narrator being a TV >> news reporter and stuff. > >Oh very true, the general conceit was great, very refreshing, and something >that could only be done in a recorded medium. > >> One thing I must say is that the supporting cast in that movie was really >> great and was over-shadowed by the foul stench of Mr. and Mrs. Teen Angst -- > >I'll agree with you on Friar Lawrence and Paris, but I think I was spoiled by >the Stratford performance, the Nurse I saw was absolutely hysterical, and I am >deeply ashamed that I forget her name because I've seen her in more than one >thing as well. As for "Teen Angst" - that's what the play's about really. > >I had more issues and a couple more things I liked about this movie but I >should probably stop here. > >> Shakespeare In Love is *SO* worth spending any amount of money on. > >Would you come to Guelph and see it with me? *g* > > As for Kenny's Hamlet -- get thee to a video store! > >I will, I will, I'm waiting for the right type of night. > >Fruhead-content if not quite Frutent: While Drea was stuck at my house on Jan >4th waiting to find out when the next plane to Thunder Bay would actually take >off, we watched a bit of Mel Gibson's Hamlet, which wasn't as bad as I thought >it would be. Most I could fault it for was blandness. > >Fiona > >"I'm SO a Dave's people if it weren't for Mike..." >-Marie-Claude Nov 16/98 > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:30:53 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Shakespeare (was Jewel Kilcher etc) On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:30:42 -0500 "KatieWow" writes: >as socialist and elitist and bizzare as it sounds, i really think >people >should have been required to read the play _before_ seeing the movie. >~~kate Elitist? Gads, not us. : ) Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:08:22 GMT From: tmbgirl@juno.com Subject: Re: song wish list >1. Caravan of Love......Housemartins.....great acapella performed by >this >little known 80's New Wave band. little known? haven't you heard fatboy slim and his latest hit "rockafeller skank"? woo... anyways, i must say that the housemartins "happy hour" is one of my fave songs to come out of that era. hmm. take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:17:18 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: pets Fruchild said: >yeah, sneakers the 6 fingered cat my sis inherited... Does no one have a kitty with six fingers named Rugen? C'mon! My friend got a cat with this deformity and called it Ziebenzein (I know I'm slaughtering the German) which means "six fingers" I guess. I had her entire family convinced it should be called Rugen, but she wouldn't cave. *sigh* Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:17:18 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Shakespeare Fiona: >Like hello ECSTACY??? wtf? In general though, I hated the portrayal. Yes yes yes. You DO NOT turn that beautiful speech into a love song to a drug. And YOU DON'T CUT IT, DAMNIT! Grrrr. >Would you come to Guelph and see it with me? *g* Honey, if I could get my sorry ass to Guelph, do you think I'd be missing Frucon? : ) Another time, perhaps (like when I'm not destitute). Tee hee. >... we watched a bit of Mel Gibson's Hamlet, which wasn't as bad as I >thought it would be. Most I could fault it for was blandness. Uh, that and setting the damned thing in Scotland. I mean, Hamlet's subtitle is PRINCE OF FREAKING DENMARK! Does this irk no one else? Anyway, I need to calm down about these things. : ) Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:29:07 GMT From: LuCkYDaBeD@aol.com Subject: Re: Harlan Ellison (was re: Sad Reality) In a message dated 1/19/99 10:04:14 PM Central Standard Time, katrin@dimensional.com writes: << The first time I'd seen him (or even heard of him) was in 1984, my freshman year at the University of North Dakota, where he was a guest at the Writers' Conference. My best friend Jane worked in the English department, and she dragged me along with her to all the really kickass parties (um, I mean official formal receptions) where I got to meet many cool authors. >> wow. i just discovered him in december. i was just browsing through the books at barnes and noble, and this one "called" to me. man, i want a friend like jane. i have a teacher who offers us lowly students opportunities to attend political conferences and such. i just recently went to a couple, but when your busy its hard to do everything. it *IS* kind of weird being the only one there (except for a couple others) who is under 35, but, it is a lot of fun. geez, i am just thinking of how much fun you must have had in "the good old days" - --gus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:09:55 GMT From: schr9271@fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Shakespeare (was Jewel Kilcher etc) > Shakespeare In Love is *SO* worth spending any amount of money on... *snip* > As for Kenny's Hamlet -- get thee to a video store! *snip s'more* > So, in closing, see Shakespeare in Love and see Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet. > Hell, see all of Kenneth Branagh's films (except maybe Gingerbread Man). > This is my recommendation and I make it in sound mind and body. > > Heather Moore uh...yeah! Everything that Heather said and a bag o' chips!!! Shakespear in Love was a highly entertaining film. The story is a cute one, even if it is about R&J (perhaps Romeo and Ethel would have been a better choice). I must agree that after we analized it to death in H.S., I don't think it was one of Shakespears best. I much prefer his comedies anyway. I was ROTFL when I saw Midsummer Night put on at my old college. It has got to be one of the funniest plays I've seen. I also recommend Much Ado About Nothing. The movie was wonderful (minus one Keanu Reeves, but that's another story) and I would love to see it on stage one of these days. Sadly, I have never had the time to see the *entire* movie of Hamlet, but what I saw impressed me greatly. What a cast! Makes me wish I was still at Elmira College (almost) just so I could take some of the Shakespear courses...^_^ Amy - the closeted *almost* english major...but art is just more fun, and there is a lot less spelling (my downfall) "It's not forbidden to be what you are. Dip into that great big cookie jar." - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:17:22 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE I just don't wanna ruin anything for anyone. Okay. Queen Lisa asked: >Of all the great throwaway lines and asides, which was your favorite >moment? But I love the throwaway line about his not being paid for "One Gentleman of Verona." I nearly fell out of my seat, and all the uneducated slobs around me couldn't figure out why. Peasants. But, uh, my hands down favourite moment? Gee, I guess it'd have to be when all the people are coming in to audition and they're all saying, "I'd like to do an excerpt from Faustus..." Cracks me up every time. That and the bit where they show the play announcement on the pole and at the very bottom it says "with Mr. Fennyman as the Apothecary." Whew. Rolling in the aisles. Or when Ned comes in for the first time and says that he's Faustus and so and so and so and so and on and on and then looks back at Will and says, "And Richard IV." out of courtesy. Whee-hoo. Those writers rock my world. Anyway, it's hard to nail it down, but there you go. >Mine (you knew this was coming, right?) without question was the part >where they're all int he pub, and one of the wenches (for lack of a better >word) asks an actor what the play is about and he says "Well, there's this nurse... " Okay, the Nurse in that movie could kick the Nurse in R&J's ass! Heather Moore (who truly believes that a greater amount of love can be had for the film if one is educated in both Shakespeare's plays and the literature of the time period (like the mouse-boy John Webster, who later went on to write The White Divel) and that if one isn't, get thee to a library! Ahem.) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #61 *******************************************